... Wrong statement. I've seen many attempts of creating "communities" without a clear mission/goal/vision and all of them didn't produce anything good (some...
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Verneri Ã…berg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 9:30 am
Seems You already answered on behalf of me thanks. And also i mean there is a strong network of idea sharing informally happening in the net. Why to label it?...
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Verneri Ã…berg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 9:31 am
... that energy is wasted here to not produce it as i see many problems here. And no i have no idea that's why i'm asking you. What is your idea? Or vision? or...
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Verneri Åberg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 9:31 am
... On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 11:25 AM, James O. Coplien <jcoplien@...> ... So i really think Europe vs USA is not only counterproductive and very negative...
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SegaMega
spolazhenko
Apr 8, 2011 9:31 am
Good day, dear friends! I'd like to invite you to the Greatest Application Development Forum Application Developer Days - where developers all over the...
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Ari Tanninen
ari.tanninen
Apr 8, 2011 9:35 am
And sometimes the point of being negative is to improve an idea or an effort by sparring and increase the likelihood of it's success. :) Fun to have a good...
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Daniel Wellner
daniel.wellner@...
Apr 8, 2011 9:35 am
... At least we have stirred up an active and open discussion on the topic now, which is definitely a better situation than the one we had until now... In...
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James O. Coplien
agilechef
Apr 8, 2011 9:55 am
... Yes. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Mika Viljanen
mika.viljanen@...
Apr 8, 2011 9:57 am
Hi, ... First of all, I don't want to be or sound negative, I'm just curious about and a bit puzzled by this. As I'm wondering whether I would have any ideas...
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James O. Coplien
agilechef
Apr 8, 2011 10:05 am
... Suitable for a lonely hearts club. Kissy-kissy. ... It's hard to tell because I don't even know what "it" is. I have asked. Others have asked. The purpose...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:09 am
Hi Rob, Jim mentioned a concrete example. Can you also do that? Speculating without giving concrete (if empirical) evidence is just FUD and FUD is not a way to...
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Verneri Åberg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 10:12 am
... +1 cope. And as no one is giving any other possible aims i'm afraid this aim might be the only attractor to cause self organization. If it would happen the...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:12 am
Verneri, please read the previous e-mails. I believe i explained why this is not *AGAINST* anything. Here it is repeated just in case (apologies to others that...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:13 am
I agree that having an open and honest discussion is good. Debating is good, progressing ideas is better. VMAD11 ________________________________ From: Daniel...
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Verneri Åberg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 10:15 am
... Well Cope pointed out why it's evident that thus far this is the only out spoken aim here. The problem is that if no other is given this one could turn...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:16 am
The purpose of the open space is to ask those very questions that you ask below. There are no preconceived results, only themes: ALE Network and Europe wide...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:18 am
Jim, Again, I appreciate your wisdom, but I don't see where you are going. Position of power is when you try to impose something (that's what power is used...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:19 am
I see. Insulting, attacking and discrediting are your techniques. Well, that's your call. Please call back when you want to *contribute*, instead of flame. ...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:20 am
Verneri, all ideas, communities and projects are *at some point* buzz and hype. What's your point? ´And no i have no idea that's why i'm asking you. What is...
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Verneri Ã…berg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 10:20 am
Ok, so it seems i'm unable to deliver my point. It's more or less so that i'm seeing this open space as left for total luck to succeed. High hopes and good...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:21 am
You are on purpose stating something that I have said is not *MY* aim. Please argue that point with whomever thinks that that is the point. That is NOT the...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:23 am
Thanks for your input Jim, What is your vision in this interchange? Discredit? Educate? contribute? I'm confused, you say you want to contribute, but your...
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Verneri Åberg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 10:24 am
... My point is exactly the same i have no idea. And no i don't want to flame, i want to show you the problems that can be seen in this. In order for you to be...
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Verneri Åberg
verneri_aberg
Apr 8, 2011 10:27 am
Ok, wasn't clear enough it seems sorry bout that I do *NOT* think it's your aim. Anyhow it's the only thing i can interpret from the texts. And as i know you...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:27 am
Now we are talking! Thanks for engaging Verneri. Here are *my* points of view (I cannot speak for a yet-non-existing community): 1. High hopes and good will...
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Katja Zorina
smikiskai
Apr 8, 2011 10:30 am
So i really think Europe vs USA is not only counterproductive and very negative idea, but actually might even damage the global community. Especially if the...
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James O. Coplien
agilechef
Apr 8, 2011 10:34 am
Don't forget to add World Peace while you're at it. Oops... just leave out North America. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
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Daniel Wellner
daniel.wellner@...
Apr 8, 2011 10:34 am
One possible positive side-effect of ALE, whether it ever gets created or not, is that we might revive the AgileFinland community. For some time now, I have...
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James O. Coplien
agilechef
Apr 8, 2011 10:35 am
... On the contrary. It is I who cannot see where you are going. I know where my communities are going. You may not. Maybe that is why there is so much energy...
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duarte_vasco
Apr 8, 2011 10:37 am
This is starting to be repetitive, Sorry to all that have read this answer already three times. Jim, here's the point: This is not about being against the USA,...
