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Re: [AM] Research Survey

Mouhib,

Very glad to hear that the research is based on real experience.
Then, why the survey - it adds no value to your research. You have no
idea how an uncontrolled audience will interpret your terminology,
what their experiences are, what their prejudices are, what world
views correlate with tending to participate (or not participate).
Also, your idea is new, so how can the opinion of people working in
the field really matter?

If your research treats the survey data as meaningful or the analysis
of it as statistically valid, then it will detract from your research.
If you are in data mining, you must surely know that mining garbage
produces garbage no matter how sophisticated your mining algorithms.

I really get upset with so many students doing surveys. It is as if
doing a survey is just a requirement for a degree, not motivated by
how it would or would not contribute to their research. If are
required to do a survey, survey just the people who were involved in
the real case studies. You will have a much better idea of their
backgrounds and experiences. You will know what the participation
percentage is. The information you would gather would then have some
chance of being meaningful.

Steven Gordon, PhD

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Mouhib
Alnoukari<mouhibalnoukari@...> wrote:
>
>
> Steven, the resaerch is mainly based on real case studies especially on
> higher education, what I'm trying to do is to propose a new modeling for
> business intelligence and data mining applications based on agile methods.
> Traditional data mining process modeling is rigid and require a lot of
> documentation. The new agile-based data mining process modeling focus maily
> on knowledge sharing, agility, adaptivity and is anbler for organization's
> strategy formulation and implementation. Thanks, Mouhib
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Gordon <sgordonphd@...>
> To: agilemodeling@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2009 3:41:47 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [AM] Research Survey
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Mouhib
> Alnoukari<mouhibalnoukari@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Scott. The question about the age is just to relate it with the
>> educational level and experience (I'm sorry if it may raise any problems).
>> As for the Data Miner job, I need to make a deep research about the human
>> resources needed for knowledge discovery (data mining) project and try to
>> prove that agile modeling would enhance the way producing a knowlege-based
>> data mining projects with the lowest cost.
>>
>> Mouhib Alnoukari
>>
>
> Fishing for opinions from a uncontrolled sample will neither prove nor
> disprove your proposal. Whether it is true or not has nothing to do
> with the opinions of this or any uncontrolled audience, especially if
> what you propose is not a common practice.
>
> If you are convinced that your proposal adds value, justify your
> belief with reasons and some real case studies. Opinions gathered
> from the people involved in your real case studies would be relevant
> and constitute a statistical sample where biases can be accounted for.
>
> If you are not convinced that what you propose adds legitimate value,
> refine your proposal or find something else to do.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Hello agilemodeling members, Please find below a link for a questionnaire for a research titled: "A Business Intelligence Modeling and Integration Framework...
Mouhib Alnoukari
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Jul 7, 2009
11:06 am

Interesting survey. I'm not sure what the value is of asking people their age (which is illegal to do in some countries, BTW). Only major problem that I see...
Scott Ambler
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Jul 7, 2009
12:14 pm

Thanks Scott. The question about the age is just to relate it with the educational level and experience (I'm sorry if it may raise any problems). As for the...
Mouhib Alnoukari
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Jul 8, 2009
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On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Mouhib ... Fishing for opinions from a uncontrolled sample will neither prove nor disprove your proposal. Whether it is true...
Steven Gordon
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Jul 9, 2009
12:42 am

oh, come on, passionate junk science is IN, man. Get with the program. Stop with the old-school desires for statistical validity. Geesh, Steve! jon blog:...
Jon Kern
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Jul 9, 2009
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Well he kinda does drive a good point... did anyone read the "Wired" - (I think) - Article about the Researcher who stated that, GPA's and academic activities...
GW
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Jul 9, 2009
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Steven, the resaerch is mainly based on real case studies especially on higher education, what I'm trying to do is to propose a new modeling for business...
Mouhib Alnoukari
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Jul 9, 2009
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Mouhib, Very glad to hear that the research is based on real experience. Then, why the survey - it adds no value to your research. You have no idea how an...
Steven Gordon
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