Testers measure success in the number of defects they find - justifying the existence of the role. I think this is core to this discussion - the definition of...
McDowell, Colin (GMI ...
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Dec 1, 2006 8:10 am
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(responding to Jon) ... I used to use vi, vdiff, a really large screen and a virtual window manager that could support 4 virtual screens. A good round-trip...
... Then we could call it a "potential defect" or a "defect story" I suppose. ... Yes, so let's learn from it and improve that part of the process. As time...
I suspect that the real definition of success should involve both the concept of finding a problem and then addressing it. For example, let's assume that a...
Yes, agreed. It makes sense for a professional or group who is only involved in a testing role to measure defects found and be pleased that their efforts bore...
... And unnecessarily political in the project team. There's always the 'us-and-them' issue between the developers and the test team. Any thoughts on how to...
In larger organizations where there is little cross-over of roles, the distinction between developer and DBA and the one between developer and tester seem to...
Well, there is a large range of medical tests where a "positive" result is bad news. I have seen a number of testing gurus say that a test that doesn't find a...
Developers should also look at test failures as successes, from the perspective of the project. The test failure means that a defect has been kept from getting...
... True, with caveats. Some of the caveats are that medical tests, especially screening ones, could be considered stateful or even of performance. Many tests...
Yes, this is the type of rhetoric that I hear from testers. But, come on, if you are "bob, the owner" of this project and you are told that the testers found...
... Good analogy, which can be extended to receiving accurate but useless data from the testers: "Waiter, what's this bug doing in my soup?" "The backstroke,...
I think it's great when important bugs are found on my projects. Why? 1) Developers are human and make mistakes, so I *know* the bugs are there, 2) I would...
comments below ... I agree that software products are bound to have defects. I'm always glad when bugs are caught in any testing round, thankful they were not ...
Better Software magazine's Feature Article By Payson Hall For many of us, design is the most enjoyable part of software development. Oh sure, debugging can be...
... Sure. Developer tests are used to describe the design as well as to verify. ... Investigative tests are often manual, although not always. They're...
... That's just a matter of semantics though. I consider a defect to be just another type of requirement, i.e. "Address this bug". I also consider a...
My November DDJ newsletter, published at http://www.ddj.com/dept/architect/196500031?cid=Ambysoft , addresses the question "How much initial modeling do you...
... So if I ran a restuarant I may want to employ someone to check the soup for flies before the customer gets it. But far more effective is to ensure that the...
... Therein lies the rub. Many communities within IT haven't gotten around this. They often believe: 1. Quality is someone else's job -- i.e. that QA group ...
... Another way to put this is "You've already done the modeling. Presumably either everybody has a shared mental model (a reference architecture) for the...
... The focus here seems entirely on upfront modeling of the technical architecture. It seems to me that until the requirements are validated, it is risky to...
... Yes, that was exactly the scope of the article. The point is that you should often do a little bit of modeling up front, but that you don't need to do ...
I will be out of the office starting 12/04/2006 and will not return until 12/07/2006. I will be attending a conference in Victoria from June 14th until July...
I will be out of the office starting 12/04/2006 and will not return until 12/07/2006. I will be attending a seminar in Seattle on Tuesday December 5th and...
... Yes, I have seen this too as part of an "organizational culture" but I have also seen that developers are almost always of a mind to do an excellent job,...
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