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Re: [agileplanning] Problems estimating product backlog

Hello, John. On Saturday, June 20, 2009, at 10:36:26 PM, you
wrote:

> I'm not making any argument that Kanban is substantially different. That's
> the strawman that you keep throwing out there. It's apples to oranges,
> baby. How many times do I have to repeat that Kanban is not a process and
> I'm not comparing it to Agile. I'm kinda getting tired of repeating this
> message, frankly. Kanban is just a tool in my Agile/XP bag.

Yes, for you. For those on the kanbandev list, on the other hand, it
is more. I'm more responding to the sum of all messages I've
received, not just yours. I'm happy to know what your position is,
and I don't think I understood that before.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
www.xprogramming.com/blog
A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest. -- Paul Simon
Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:51 am

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Hello, i am product owner and we have two scrum teams in our company. Estimating is done with story points. During our sprint planning meetings, the scrum team... 		u.kremmel@...
u.kremmel...
Offline Send Email 		Jun 19, 2009
8:08 am

I can understand their frustration, we've all gone through that. First I think the main obstacle I've found is understanding *WHY *we need estimates. It's not...
Angelo Kastroulis
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3:45 pm

Hello, Angelo. On Friday, June 19, 2009, at 11:44:06 AM, you ... What do you do with the information as to how much you can get done during a Sprint? And why...
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
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4:32 pm

I think we're stuck a little on semantics. When I say "I" i mean "as a member of the team, each one of us must ask ourselves"... What I was trying to...
Angelo Kastroulis
angelok1
Offline Send Email 		Jun 19, 2009
6:44 pm

... Why doesn't the Product Owner just answer their questions? Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com www.xprogramming.com/blog Know what I pray for? The strength...
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
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4:43 pm

Hi Uwe-- I advise teams to do commitment-driven sprint planning. The team selects one item from the product backlog, splits it into tasks and hours, and then...
Mike Cohn
mikewcohn
Offline Send Email 		Jun 19, 2009
6:05 pm

In any methodology when given the estimation task I always factor in that details missed will exist and add it to the estimate. Given the product backlog I...
Eric Fulton
whiteoakehealth
Offline Send Email 		Jun 20, 2009
6:51 pm

... This is waste that a kanban pull system eliminates. It's easier to get by with that story inside a large corporation, but it is quickly exposed when you...
John Goodsen
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Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
12:11 am

... I doubt whether the time saved on estimating is going to allow kanban teams to surge ahead very substantially. Ron Jeffries www.XProgramming.com ...
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
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12:22 am

Hi Ron, Whenever you talk, I try hard to absorb and understand. Where does this doubt come from? I've been experimenting with kanban for a couple years now ...
John Goodsen
jgoodsen
Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
12:44 am

... The time spent estimating compared to time spent developing is already small. Kanban may have many advantages but time saved planning is not likely to be a...
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
1:04 am

Hi Ron, Sorry about recent miscommunication. Either I'm not doing a good job of communicating, or you are taking devil's advocate to the point that I'm ...
John Goodsen
jgoodsen
Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
12:52 am

... It has to be you. We all know that the written word communicates perfectly unless the reader screws up. ... Yes ... ... Yes. I recommend using real...
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
1:29 am

... I figured so :) ... Yes ... I agree. ... Once again I must have mis-communicated. I get the feeling that I leave an impression that kanban is a process....
John Goodsen
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Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
2:36 am

Hello, John. On Saturday, June 20, 2009, at 10:36:26 PM, you ... Yes, for you. For those on the kanbandev list, on the other hand, it is more. I'm more...
Ron Jeffries
ronaldejeffries
Offline Send Email 		Jun 21, 2009
2:52 am

Whew! Glad to be back in sync with ya! Now to go celebrate my birthday! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2009, at 10:51 PM, Ron Jeffries...
John Goodsen
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