On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Peter
Brawley<peter.brawley@...> wrote:
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> Eray,
>
> Your pronouncement that computer simulations “will simulate everything
> necessary for intelligence, because it *will* duplicate the mechanism” is
> fantasy, an article of faith, triply bizarre in that it’s shouted in the
> name of reason, makes a grandiose empirical claim for which there’s no
> evidence, and is contradicted by your next assertion, that “the simulation
> does not need to replicate every property, it just helps us to make
> predictions”.

How is there a contradiction?

And what is the mechanism that is not duplicated?

> Nor has it been “rigorously proven”, to the satisfaction for example of most
> scientists or philosophers of science, “that a simulation *is* a scientific
> theory.” On its face, that’s a crank claim: you know, or ought to know, that
> there’s no widely agreed formula for identifying what’s a scientific theory
> and what isn’t.

A formal axiomatic theory is a kind of scientific theory, and yes all
computer simulations are exactly that. You simply don't know shit
about these subjects. You are an ignoramus.

> Likewise your claim that a “scientific theory in this sense (a formal
> axiomatic system (FAS)) is not the simple kind of FAS, so it can deal with
> complex systems, like networks of people, or evolution of galaxies, or
> financial markets”. Nothing about a set of axioms privileges it as an
> empirically accurate explanation of real world complexity.

WTF are you talking about? All of those simulations NEED empirically
adequate data OR they would not run well!!!

Idiot!

> Yes we can write analytical or numerical models for any complex process we
> please,  but your “applied mathematics” alone does not tell us whether the
> models accurately explain the things being modelled.

No, you moron that shows that simulation was already an applied method
well before there were computers.

> You freely call interlocutors & others “idiots” and worse, so you
> complaining of ad hominem remarks is just silly. Back to my filter list you
> go.

Off this list you go you effing moron

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