On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Peter ... How is there a contradiction? And what is the mechanism that is not duplicated? ... A formal axiomatic theory is a...
... Becaue you do not have to replicate any properties at all to make predictions. A weather simulation has none of the properties of weather. THere is a gap...
... How is it an error? If Newtonian mechanics isn't a kind of simulation, what is it? Is there a bug in your processor, do you need someone to fix you? -- ...
... cf "all dogs are mammals" and "all mammals are dogs". I mean, have you actually studied logic? ... A set of equations that don't tell you anything concrete...
... But you see, unless you calculate the equations aren't realized. And the only way you can get those equations to work is to construct a *model* and solve...
... http://www.science.uva.nl/~seop/entries/computational-mind/#Criticisms. Thank you for the link. That text does indeed seem both reasonable and brief. I...
BM> I would call myself a computationalist, but by that I mean ... If "do" means "simulate approximately", the above looks like a bowdlerised version of...
... That's not what it means. ... That is what it means ... sometimes ... It can simulate them. That may or may not be good enough. So far no-one has actually...
... So far as I can see I haven't said anything to excuse such an interpretation. By "do" I mean "do". No simulation. The computer can execute, perform,...
... May I interject here? The computational power of an analog computer or a quantum computer is equivalent to the computational power of a discrete computer....
... Of course. Was hoping you might. ... Right. Of course. That's essentially what I'm saying, but I was hoping that a different way of expressing the idea...
... Yes. Good analogy, I think. Thanks. The rules we need are a lot more complex, and the system is not closed, so the emergent results are influenced by...
I previously remarked that computers can implement connectionist networks, heuristics, or any other seemingly "non-algorithmic" or "non-computational"...
... You are right, the computer doesn't just "simulate" them, but it can implement in their full glory, that is, it can implement them AS WELL AS ANY MACHINE...
... That's faint praise ... What is the best way to understand computer *software* ? ... But that;s not actually very real. The gap beteen simulation and...
... It's not a faint praise. The connectionist networks, heuristics, statistical information processing, all of these can be realized by the computers to the...
... Connectionist networks do not have to be implemented by biological neurons. They can be implemented by silicon hardware or just computer software. I...
... I wish Eray had left off the "and mathematical". To me it adds nothing but fuzziness to the idea that cognition is information processing or equivalently...
... Let's say "constructivist mathematics" then, or all the mathematics that matters. The part of mathematics that isn't constructivist has no cognitive...
... You've brought up "software" several times now Peter, and it occurs to me that if we can get this concept properly sorted out perhaps much of our quibbling...
... I bring up software because it is key to certain postions and argumetns in the philosophy of AI, eg computatiopanlism and Searles' arguemtns. Someone who...
... Software isn't key to any philosophical position that I can think of. Reconfigurability can be in hardware as well as in software, does not matter as much...
... in the philosophy of AI, eg computatiopanlism and Searles' arguemtns. So you say. But you still have not answered the question at all, you have not told...
... Well it is an active component of a system, it's just that there is no magical distinction from other bits of the system. Best, -- Eray Ozkural, PhD...
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