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Interesting, but don't hold your breath it seems he is
just trying to make a point. :)

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http://www.hutter1.net/prize.htm Interesting, but don't hold your breath it seems he is just trying to make a point. :) -- Eray Ozkural (exa), PhD candidate....
Eray Ozkural
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hold your breath :) i saw that this is the continuation of the compression challenges by Matt Mahoney, so if you can beat PAQ8H on the wikipedia corpus you are...
Eray Ozkural
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I hereby submit Cygnus X-1 as the most intelligent thing in the known universe, more intelligent than Winzip, more intelligent than my trash compactor, more...
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Aug 6, 2006
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... LOL ;o) I second it Josh. Now if only we could have a decompressor of Cyg X-1. Now that would be better then "Chicken and stars"! JJG...
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... University, Ankara ... If i understand it correctly you have to make a program P so: size(P) < size(wikipedia-knowledge-file) = 100MB, and P has to ...
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... From: rooftop8000 To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2006 11:45:34 AM Subject: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... I suppose I...
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... Seems like some of you missed the requirement that the program run and reproduce the original wiki file WITHOUT USE OF ANY EXTERNAL DATA. No corpus of...
William Modlin
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Aug 6, 2006
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... Sure, and that is a good challenge in itself. However, I don't think that the remarks about general intelligence apply? -- Eray Ozkural (exa), PhD...
Eray Ozkural
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... Well. He does seem to go a bit overboard. I don't think that non-lossy compression per se is a step toward AI. I consider it likely that a winning entry ...
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... From: William Modlin To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2006 11:53:46 PM Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... Well,...
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... Precisely. Though, don't overestimate the performance of current machines. They are pretty slow for the kind of compression you talk above. I am working...
Eray Ozkural
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... From: Eray Ozkural To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 5:58:50 AM Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... They also...
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... PAQ8 is actually an AI, because it can predict time series data. However, it does not do this in the way that a strong AI would do. Has some fixed models...
Eray Ozkural
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... What are you using PAQ8 compression for? IOW, what kind of work are you doing with it? JJG...
John J. Gagne
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... I meant it is a classifier ensemble of some sort, not classified. I have been trying out my micro-synthetic algorithm but I ran into some troubles with the...
Eray Ozkural
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... Well, yes, but Shannon information also matters for lossy compression of the data in the way of "deep understanding" of the data. It seems rate-distortion ...
Eray Ozkural
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... It's all "Shannon information", at all levels. The point I was trying to make was that a large part of the information content of most data we have to...
William Modlin
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You have the right ideas but all of that stuff is covered in information theory: http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/9902341 ...
Eray Ozkural
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... Of course it is. I was familiar with both those links. But there still seems to be something missing in the translation of the formal descriptions to ...
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... What I thought was... the lossless compression per se may not be the ultimate test of intelligence. Yet, being able to solve any optimization problem...
Eray Ozkural
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... Agreed. :)...
William Modlin
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... From: William Modlin To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 12:43:48 PM Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... I'm...
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... From: William Modlin To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 7, 2006 11:22:11 AM Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... Are you...
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... Yes. In the first place, it is impossible. An instantiated intellect is a bounded system with finite resources processing ongoing input from a much larger...
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... From: William Modlin To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2006 2:40:43 PM Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... Not...
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... Of course one "stores relationships and differences". That's what it MEANS to compress data: discover redundancies (repetitious or predictably changing ...
William Modlin
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... From: William Modlin To: ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2006 4:59:03 PM Subject: Re: [ai-philosophy] Re: Hutter's prize ... Yeah, I...
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... You are not missing anything. The above would be akin to using Levin Search to find the smallest computer that does this. Basically, a "universal...
Eray Ozkural
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Aug 6, 2006
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Only lossless compression is objectively measurable, lossy compression depends on subjective "tollerable" loss limit. In fact, there's no objective distinction...
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