'They're here': The mechanism of poltergeist activity 00:01 01 April 2008 NewScientist.com news service Zeeya Merali The sight of small blonde girls watching...
... Whoa! Did you not SEE with your own eyes the recently discovered cheeto that LOOKS JUST LIKE CHUCK NORRIS ??? If that does not prove beyond any doubt that...
... It leaves no room for a supernatural God but it ought leave room for emergence and top down creation in addition to bottom up. ... Dawkins' gives great...
... I believe a case could be made that the force of gravity is such a "top down" creation mechanism. But I'm not sure that's what Jim W. had in mind... It...
... Since anything biological is emergent, anything a biological organism does is top down causality. A beaver dam is one example, creating a lake, soon to be...
... While I believe gravity is an emergent local effect of space time contraction, not the result of magical influences or fields or forces at a distance as...
... Is "emergence" emergent too? ;o) Personally, I see no value at all in the concept of emergence. I much prefer to simply say there is yet much we don't...
... I agree. When someone calls a phenomenon 'emergent,' this usually abbreviates both 'I don't understand it' and 'I'm so smart that nobody else can.'...
... We don't need to say galaxies stars and planets emerged from the hot plasma of the early universe, we can sat they condensed out of it. I suppose we don't...
... I have no real problem with the word "emergence" if it used as stating a problem. I do have a problem with the word "emergence" if it is offered as...
John, I checked several dictionaries and wikipedia and found no usage of the word emergence as a cause for anything. I certainly never would intend such a...
... Which, as far as I can tell, was the only point at issue in what Joe wrote. ... And to the extent these catch-all slogans can be elaborated into meaningful...
... That is exactly how I understand "The Society of Mind"; as a theory about "whole which is something different from its parts". So I am little bit confused...
... So, if the use of "emergence" is not a cause but rather refers to something we don't understand (IOW, is a "place-holder" for a better word which we would...
... I need some other opinions on Jim's example here. Eray's question asks for an example of "top down causality". Jim starts with an *assertion*: "anything...
... I take top down causality to be feedback from the higher level back to the lower level that produced it. Emergent properties are properties of the whole...
... Yes, and that's why the term "emergent" has been misleading and deceptive. After all, no sensible person ever expects the properties of a set to be the...
... Yes, I think Professor Minsky covers the most important issues and does so very well. But I'm wondering if it's at all convincing enough for JC and Jim W. ...
... For me it is a boring non issue. I don't think it is a question of being sensible, it is an observation that the whole can have properties not found in the...
... Sure, that's fine, the question is at what cost? For every macro gain there must be micro losses and as long as we can account for all of these gains and...
... There needs to be a way to distinguish and talk about complex systems that effectively becomes substrate and independent logical interactions we see as...
... Why? You tell me what you think we need but you don't say why? ... Then what is the mechanism for such emergents? ... Ummm, doesn't this imply "we do not...
... And doesn't programming intelligent behaviors into machines at the symbolic level amount to programming the emergent behaviors not the behaviors that gave...
... The simple answer is it doesn't matter one bit at what level we program it. If it can "produce the full gamut of behaviors of real brains" then by what...
... Thank you for one good reason we need to make the distinction. Failure to understand that a photon does not obey Maxwell's equations and that Maxwell's...
Having problems with message search?
Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.
