... Searle confuses subjective experience with consciousness. That's the problem. He does not understand that there can be non-informative subjective states,...
I know what computation means in practical terms, and I thought I knew what Turing was defining with his machines. But when many people speak of "formal" or...
... When I wrote "Whether or not those principles are purely computational," I thought I was being clear that I am not committed to the dogma that everything...
I don't think Bill Modlin is missing the point. I believe that the original "wall" example came from an essay by Hilary Putnam. But it seems to me that...
Yes, this is a funny argument. Because . . . When I was a child, the dominant theory of life was that there was something special about 'protoplasm', which...
... I take the Turing machine to exemplify abstract symbol manipulation. ... Suppose we consider ordinary arithmetic. People talk of numbers. And they also...
... Hi Bill, I haven't received anything from you since my last response yesterday morning. Here it is again: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework...
On Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:24 PM, iro3isdx wrote in ai-philosophy@yahoogroups.com: Iro>> I see the Turing machine model as characterizing operations on...
Good point. :) The physical implementation of an *efficient* computer is always complex. One could look at the silicon chips that we use, and conclude that ...
My apologies for the mis-attribution. I make that sort of mistake too often. It remains that Searle and others seem to have a notion of formal or abstract...
... <snip> Hi Bill, I haven't received anything from you since my last response yesterday morning. Here it is again: <snip> Odd. Wonder where my next two...
... I really don't know what point is trying to be made here. If you are describing things by their behaviors rather than what they are made of you have...
... Read again, has nothing to do with "mental", shows another basic error in the "argument". -- Eray Ozkural, PhD candidate. Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent...
... Hi Bill, I think you're missing the point, but that's just me. Here are some free-access papers that are just the tip of one very big berg; Emiliano...
Computation is a logical process. If Feynman is correct, the quantum may be understood as computation. Indeed quantum logic is general purpose universal...
... I don't think you ever owed an apology for that. Perhaps Searle owed Putnam an apology, but that is not a problem for you. ... how to define abstract...
... I think that "thought experiment" shows just how clueless he is about computation. His wall is not running wordstar. Period. -- Eray Ozkural, PhD...
... There is another possibility, we may push our boundaries, and see clearly allow the robot to push its boundaries beyond our own. ... Not if the boundaries...
... [...] Searle was the acting as the CPU, which is where associated mental states are obviously confined. Proof: remove the memory and I/O subsystems from a...
... That's not the case at all. That's where the whole thing is misled! We've discussed this to death on c.a.p. Oh, my! We have a saying in Turkish "a madman...
... Every part of the computer is necessary, I/O and memory are just as essential pieces of hardware. Remove the memory and can you run anything at all? ...
Since people here are so interested in Searle's mind-degenerating CRA. Here is a comment on why Searle cannot understand Chinese. Even if not tacit dualism, it...
... I'm not sure why you would think that. It seems pretty obvious that the CPU would not have mental states. ... And doesn't that put human mental states in...
... Consciousness could conceivably persist, at least for a few seconds, after the destruction of any part of the body that doesn't include the brain....
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