This is also relevant for ai-philosophy. Comments below, ... I quoted in entire length. Unity of self is without doubt an illusion. All senses themselves are...
My second reading of the book (Bright Air, Brilliant Fire) is necessarily much slower as I attempt to process all the complex claims expressed by Edelman in...
... . Finally, though, I think Edelman oversimplifies and fundamentally misunderstands the computationalist thesis itself, assuming that it can only be the...
... The issue I had in mind is whether, in programming consciousness: 1) We are aiming to produce a computationally based process that is conscious in and of...
... You are just repeating the same error. A single process is stil going to be made of non-conscious constituents for exactlty the same reason a spreadsheet...
... That's why, if #1 is what Edelman thinks the thesis of computationalism is, he is mistaken in his argument against it. Computationalism is, as far as I...
... #2 can't be a better argument, since there is no difference between #1 and d#2. ... It ins't that. It is the thesis that is consc. is essentially a...
As the little Massey Groves might've said, much better do I like Edelman's detailed work than all his elephant-shite-level theorising. A bit of such detail can...
... Sorry if I have raised that confusion again. The law of exceptions is about absolute truth, not how many distinct values a variable may have. The...
... Nonsense. And if you mean the contrary, then plain false. You are probably confused on the meaning of "potential infinity". -- Eray Ozkural, PhD candidate....
... Let's try this again: #1 is one way of thinking about how programming works AND how the computationalist thesis (computational processes running on...
... No it isn;t. Combining computationl processes computationaly yields another computational process. ... You are trying to maintain that there is a...
... It's about what counts as consciousness, what minds are. ... You are either being deliberately obtuse or just being obtuse. ... Just because you don't...
... Still, it seems to me that Edelman is somewhat unclear (perhaps even confused) about what we mean by "consciousness" (and, thus, what he is aiming to...
I think these particular angels must be tired of their confinement to a pinhead by now. I don't know or care which of you is arguing what. The "computational...
Stuart, ... I haven't read his book, so I don't know if he agrees we'll have to decode human consciousness one empirical parameter at a time. ... Until we know...
... confused notion that the thesis ... computation.  Which is ... possible ... PB>Only if we are talking about digital, deterministic computation ... ...
Well, at any rate, analog, non-deterministic, parallel computers are covered just as well in theory. It doesn't make it another family of device for which we...
I agree with Bill's nice analysis. There is really an understandable but misleading belief that uncertainties make basic changes in the theory of computation....
Well, at last something we can disagree about! I predict that it will eventually turn out that the higher levels of the brain evolved ways to ignore almost...
MINSKY: "Well, at last something we can disagree about! I predict that it will eventually turn out that the higher levels of the brain evolved ways to ignore...
... Oh, I just meant to suggest that we could make mindlike machines work as well as our brains without any need for many petaflops to accomplish things by...
Minsky: >Our evolution was forced to build our higher cognitive levels by using that early, low level machinery. But I'm convinced that we will much better by...
Bill, ... Much "computation" in the brain is nondeterministic in the usual formal sense that for many of its functions, given a particular input, the output is...
... Sounds scary, doesn't it? I am really curious what would happen, perhaps it's the best thing to do, let it evolve as fast as it can (assuming there is such...
Peter said: Bill, ... Much "computation" in the brain is nondeterministic in the usual formal sense that for many of its functions, given a particular input,...
Bill ... The confusion appears to be yours. The structure of processing units changes from one "computing" instance to the next, much of the process is not...
... I don't think this holds. Did we ever had a brain in the exact same internal state in two points in time, to feed it the same particular input? I don't ...
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