... But it may just be true that such a rational theory isn't in fact truly descriptive of how moral valuing works in us! ... Not in some contexts. But maybe...
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SWM
swmaerske
Jun 8, 2010 1:35 pm
... I'm not sure that emotivism must completely exclude a rational theory of morals though it is at least logically possible (it seems to me) that morals can...
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Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 8, 2010 2:51 pm
... Ah, well, right, we want to replicate the entire human automaton right? I coined the phrase "slave mentality" to describe the currentl "well received"...
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SWM
swmaerske
Jun 8, 2010 10:19 pm
... What can eventually be done will be done. It's how human beings operate. ... That is certainly true though it would seem beyond the scope of considerations...
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GD
fidiasma
Jun 9, 2010 1:09 pm
... I think that only the "American"; qualification is wrong. Anyone who needs human labor wants "slaves". Ie the limit of "pay them as little as you can, give...
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Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 9, 2010 1:36 pm
... I actually had some American researchers on my mind. They seem to love this subject of "machine ethics". I don't want to give names to avoid defamation but...
17638
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 9, 2010 2:21 pm
... That's false. Humans typically exchange goods and services for pay all the time and the point is to find a fair balance. I recently had occasion to hire...
17639
GD
fidiasma
Jun 9, 2010 2:47 pm
... You say 2 different things. a) They thought slavery was ethically justifiably b) They didn't actually think that, but their goal was profit. The correct is...
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GD
fidiasma
Jun 9, 2010 3:18 pm
... [...] ... No, the point is to win. I don't think you can even define "fair", besides being equilibrium of power. ... That was not a "charitable donation"....
17641
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 9, 2010 4:11 pm
... The slave paradigm is simplistic and misleading. That humans compete and that some are more ruthless at it or better at it or less empathetic with others...
17642
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 9, 2010 4:29 pm
... You are right. However, I meant to say that their "ethical justification" was just an excuse to the Profit step. It did not involve any real ethical...
17643
GD
fidiasma
Jun 9, 2010 5:20 pm
... Depends on what you want to learn. If you want to learn how to sell obviously wrong things as "obviously" right, or want to learn how to see through that...
17644
GD
fidiasma
Jun 9, 2010 5:27 pm
... I agree that we are stretching the meaning of the word slave. It was meant, by me at least, like you say: "compete", "ruthless";, some on top, using those...
17645
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 10, 2010 4:28 pm
... You are right. A google search turns up a good summary: http://www.ushistory.org/us/27f.asp I had the following kind of arguments on my mind: ...
17646
GD
fidiasma
Jun 10, 2010 5:17 pm
... We agree that we are machines. And we have this rule: You can blow up any machine that you like (if you own it, etc), but if you blow up any one of this...
17647
GD
fidiasma
Jun 10, 2010 9:29 pm
Sorry to continue, but this is just amazing. Is this slavery, or not? ...
17648
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 10, 2010 10:45 pm
... It's obviously imperialism, and yes this barbaric violation of humans' right to live is of course related to slavery. It's taking from them their basic...
17649
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 11, 2010 12:34 pm
I don't see how it's "slavery", George. It may or may not be an instance of injustice. It may or may not be a case of greed and disregard of the needs or...
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Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 11, 2010 12:51 pm
... Exactly. And perhaps it's not that far off? I think, once you let such a thing in the wild, you also have to grant it the kinds of personhood-rights that...
17651
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 11, 2010 12:54 pm
There is another angle to the "slave mentality" thread. If we manage to upload brains (computational neuroscientists expect to get it right by 2020 I think, at...
17652
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 11, 2010 1:06 pm
... Companies are treated as persons in the eyes of the law if they are incorporated (or the equivalent) but that is not quite to be a person as far as I can...
17653
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 11, 2010 1:06 pm
... You are VERY optimistic Eray! -- SWM...
17654
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 11, 2010 1:12 pm
... You'd be amazed in the progress they made in brain digitization. They do run actual brain circuit simulations nowadays. Although of course there are a lot...
17655
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 11, 2010 1:15 pm
... it is only in a sci-fi sense that that could occur as everything depends on the development and implementation of a sufficiently capable AI which, as far...
17656
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 11, 2010 1:35 pm
... I'd be keen to see if they can even get the memory part right. I think Hawkins' point (also made, albeit somewhat differently by Edelman) that human memory...
17657
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 11, 2010 1:37 pm
... Yes, achieving profit in a human setting (i.e., a society with appropriate institutional capablities like money, laws, trade, etc.). I suspect it would...
17658
GD
fidiasma
Jun 11, 2010 2:04 pm
... Me too Eray. ...So we should be good to each other, cause we will be arguing for an eternity :-) ...Actually, I have this relevant personal story: Many...
17659
Michael Olea
m_r_olea
Jun 11, 2010 3:49 pm
... Hawkins' speculation is that mammalian neocortex acts like a particular form of Bayesian network. This speculation is not original to Hawkins, but goes...
17660
SWM
swmaerske
Jun 11, 2010 5:52 pm
... Interesting. Of course I wasn't addressing "Hawkins' ideas" in general, above, but only his point about memory, i.e., that it consists of a kind of...
17661
Eray Ozkural
examachine
Jun 11, 2010 10:11 pm
... Ah that neural network guy, but he doesn't know much about theoretical AI unfortunately. I don't take him seriously. ... Long-term memory is a must. This...
