... Great work there, I will go into it more deeply. ... That's the curious part. I, also, would not expect the training time to be identical to that required...
... Since my work hasn't reached that point yet, I wonder the same things myself. ... Of course, meaning should be grounded in experience, though not ...
... produces certain ... way ... maps ... opinion, ... different B, but ... different. ... since ... not ... slates (as ... here) ... slate ... what ... system...
... sampled ... though ... Neither do I believe. But I have some reasons, compelling or not, for this. Why do you think Chalmers's philosophical zombies are...
... The assumption behind that notion is that consciousness can be independent of behavior, which I think is impossible --- whether a system has consciousness...
... By zombie, I meant something like a parrot. I agree, also, that fully intelligent zombies are not possible, perhaps even contradictory. They are only...
Let's assume that there exists some kind of zombies that has no ability to manipulate symbols. Also assume that they are intelligent. And we are trying to find...
TARIK Ă–ZKANLI
TARIKOZKANLI@...
Feb 4, 2005 4:57 pm
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One of such experiments that I am aware of is to present them a mirror. Orcas (orcinus orca), chimpanzees (pan troglodytes) and orangutans (pongo pygmaeus)...
Tarik Özkanli writes ... ability to ... Forget zombies. Just look at the fellow at the next desk. What experiment would you design to determine whether he is ...
... I fully agree with you Ray. The best we can ever hope for is meaningful/contextual symbol manipulation. If an AI (or any other type of intelligent agent)...
... Hmmm by consciousness some people here refer to "subjective experience", you refer above to "self-awareness", which is a different thing IMHO. Regards, ...
... IMVHO the difference may only exist in the eye of the beholder. There are interneurons that are excited by sensory neurons. And then there are those that...
... These aren't bad arguments at all. You mean that sooner or later you have to explain what on earth subjective experience is. I agree with that. In our...
... <kwitzel@m...> ... mirror. ... known ... Accepted, two different things of course. But I was thinking of, what should a self-aware individual compare the...
... I am not sure of that either. The individual compares the picture in the mirror to a stored visual representation of himself? Otherwise, the sentence might...
... <kwitzel@m...> ... what ... to ... Sure, if you identify the word "picture" with a photo ;-) Why, do you think, can you point (with a finger of your hand)...
... sleeping ... I hope it is not impolite to ask you but what was the terrible event that occurred to you? If you do not want to talk about it I apologize...
... Precisely. Before AI, philosophers grappled with sollipsism and the "Other Minds Problem". We generally don't submit our fellow human to a Turing Test...
... We lack consciousness meters, but perhaps one ought to exist. Maybe a measure of alpha or beta waves? Some might argue that these do not guarantee...
... I'm wondering whether these waves have any significance about them, perhaps as the "goldilocks zone" of consciousness to borrow a term from astrobiology in...
I replied to John in e-mail and the yahoo group was cc'd, but it didn't seem to come here. So here it is again-- One thing I might add to my original thoughts...
... consciousness ... them, ... from ... emergence of ... methods, not ... brain ... of ... conservative ... than ... may be ... I'm not convinced :) There...
... didn't ... alpha/beta ... of a ... of one? ... so-called ... was ... Well, in such massively parallel circuits, it would be illogical to try to use a...
IMHO the only consciousness meter that can ever be is the ability to communicate. Certainly we can't deny that if an AI could argue "well enough" to convince...
Eray: Remember, throughout this thread, I've been careful not to suggest that alpha/beta waves be the sole ingredient. Rather, only that their absence may...
... My concerns regarding the lack of a "master node" work like this. In a massively parallel & asynchronous situation, you can pull CPU's out and the system...
... It's no so important, for example, to specify the number of carbon atoms in a bread recipe, or even the grams of flour to add while making it. The problem...
... It's no so important, for example, to specify the number of carbon atoms in a bread recipe, or even the grams of flour to add while making it. The problem...
... I wonder if this discussion of understanding Chinese is too bound by mundane issues of practicality. Presumably, after 'learning Chinese.' a person's...
I think I understand your point but I'm not sure I agree. It sounds like Chomsky? I don't think a "Device" could be built to mimic the use of conversational...
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