... Thank you for the links to the publication. I think I must have been misunderstood though. The program that is being described takes a line drawing and...
Randy: Hmmm, my impression of Susskind's ideas was that it implies there is no such thing as a singularity. I mean, given a "singularity-state", information...
What if we posit instead a universe in which information is not so much conserved as it is traded for entirely new information? Which is to say, information is...
... I'm afraid this needs more than one line... I think he is simply noting that it is nonsensical to ask what is it like to be a bat, because what is it...
... Okay, let me give it a shot. Naive realism or pan psychism, both seem to be false by default, but they also a represent a range of answers. In the below, I...
... Eray, you might be interested in taking a look at the book by Hacker+Bennett ... this is the closest thing to an anti-cognitivist, behaviorist-manifesto,...
3 contemplation points: is it possible to represent/present a logic precisely without using any symbol?? is it possible to apply logic without using any...
TARIK ÖZKANLI
tozkanli2023@...
Nov 4, 2006 12:08 am
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... Lovely! Eray, and would you care to say something about pain, please? I have recently studied: John McCarthy, Ascribing mental qualities to machines ...
... How about we talk about pleasure instead? I tend to side with Marvin's view about pleasure/pain kind of sensations. I also tend to believe that qualia is...
Yes, I discuss pain in chapter 3 and qualia in chapter 9. I would like to hear comments on what readers find missing in those explanations -- and why....
... Well, in chapter 9 you wrote: "If we were able to make such descriptions, the mystery of ‘subjective experience’ should disappear, because then we...
... [snip] That was a long reply, but it did not discuss how those chapters tried to explain some aspects of how feelings work‹except to claim that "one must...
... Well, further down you describe some as-yet-undiscovered mechanism by which the sensation of red is perceived. I agree that it stands to reason that there...
... sensations. ... Personally, I find it informative to ask if such & such qualia can be associated with a particular "simple-sensor" (transducer) or not. If ...
... I wouldn't make this sort of assumption on future neuroscience. I am 100% positive that neuroscientists can detect presence of either pain or pleasure in a...
... The initial conjecture is wrong from an obejctive perspective, because you cannot sort sad from happy people with 100% accuracy for the same reason you...
... yeah but experiencing pleasure, this much, in this region, etc. not possible? -- Eray Ozkural, PhD candidate. Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara...
... because ... same ... measure. ... Dan and Eray: BINGO! ding, ding, ding, give that man a prize! They are inherently subjective things. We can't establish...
... can be ... If ... necessarily ... Silicon is an elemental-atom. Molecules are composites of the elements. You/we could say "atoms are composites of P/N &...
... I don't believe that pain cannot be measured objectively. That seems just wrong. What's the difference than detecting if a photoreceptor sees red? Maybe...
... red ... the ... people". ... You got it 1/3 right. Besides the fact that subjective things cannot be measured unambiguosuly with 100% accuracy, even...
... I'll take the 1/3 and be "happy"... ;o) "So, you actually conflated 3 issues in your original post" I agree with you but maybe for different reasons... I...
... Pleasure to be here, Eray. :-) ... So do I. I need not say that. ... But I thought we once agreed that qualia is inexpressible. I think I need to re-read...
... Sure, anything can be objectively measured that we can establish a standard and method for measuring. For example we could measure pain via "c-fiber"...
... To the single neuron, it's all external events. No difference that I can see. -- Eray Ozkural, PhD candidate. Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara...
... How do you define pain at that level of "single neuron"? Is it the same criteria as it is for the brain? Is it a type of "external signal"? or an "internal...
... What I mean is, this distinction of external event from internal event seems bogus. Most neurons aren't directly influenced by the environment, at any...
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