... It's possible that the "I" boundary is quite fuzzy for such pre-linguistic/proto-linguistic people as you are talking about above. Without a solid symbol...
... I find the idea of a variety of kinds of mind interesting and useful, various extreme examples being the kind of mind a robot might have, the kind of mind...
... Would you that of elephants? ... I do a lot thinking without using language, e.g. when designing a device, mending a clock, working out how to get from A...
... A deaf elephant I would. In this case, "deaf" being whatever the primary sensory channel which elephants communicate by and not unnecessarily auditory via...
... to ... jumbled mess ... orderly ... This is one of the more profound comments I've seen, mainly for what it doesn't say. Other than possibly in computer...
... Hmmm... (I think I tend to disagree. See below) ... And you believe that what "their brains obviously evolved to make the most of sensory systems" was...
... overwhelmed ... sensory ... the ... terms "symbolic ... They certainly have internal representations, in terms of sensory "maps" and stored memories, but...
... am ... based ... If thinking is done computationally, then even image-based thinking is "linguistic" at the TM level, just as on your workstation JPEG ...
... be ... I agree. All sensory information is symbolic. Although animals may not use notational systems that does not mean that their minds are not using...
... it ... understandable ... in ... concepts ... seems ... owning ... (there ... equivalent ... to ... That's true, but here we must also be more careful with...
... When have I've been reluctant to the idea that maps are like the territory in some sense? Of course they are like the territory. They just are not the...
... been ... say ... zag ... and ... this ... able to ... probably ... across ... end ... this ... true ... nonsensical ... true ... that... ... in ... But ......
... I don't understnad how it counters this, but what do you think about Mansouri-Sexl transformation then? Also note that I am not just talking about how two...
... I ... what ... We all often think without using "language" as in thinking about words or sentences. Just think about a ball bouncing down some stairs. It's...
... above. ... mess ... orderly ... do. I ... what ... Certainly ... if ... I have to mention here that I really do not think of language and some "simpler"...
... You haven't given any examples. ... It's easy enough to spot egregious cases. Out of the range of possible theories, most can be rejected out of hand. ... ...
... They posit underlying structures, such as wave functions, which are not directly observed, but which explain what is directly observed. ... That depends on...
... So what? That could mean nothing or everything depending on what other assumptions you make. ... That is confusingly phrased. Knowledge is not passively ...
... to ... If you guys want to use a very broad definition of what means symbolic processing, then you can say this. Like saying all is computation, or all is...
To all: I think that some of the comments being made with respect to this thread and maybe even my own comments have drifted from the main context of "private...
The discussion under the "private language argument" thread as to which is more basic in the evolution of mind - symbols/language or sensory images - is v....
... I think symbols are an important aspect of most theories about information. Even if a data structure is not specifically intended to be used as a symbol,...
... A concept has different aspects to it, so I think all creatures with effective nervous tissue could have some kind of conceptualization of its environment....
Hi Mike: When you refer to proto-symbols it sounds to me like you're talking qualia. Are proto-symbols (as you are using that term) composed of qualia...
... and ... Does a spider form symbolic concepts about its environment? If so, then it's at a relative level many orders of magnitude below that of humans. ...
... Dan: Hmmm, I think I would have said "Gagne is especially *good* in this regards" because I don't think establishing "personalized definitions of fairly...
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