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#640 From: victor.lopez@...
Date: Wed Mar 1, 2006 5:07 pm
Subject: {Verificado} Re: {Verificado} Re: {Verificado} State of Afairs in AI vlopez2010
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#641 From: "Ghada K. Khedr" <ghkm1984@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 6:21 am
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hi all ,

I'm required to make a presentation about applications learning techniques mentioned in ch.19

is there a way to find it easy ?

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#642 From: lwang81096 <lwang81096@...>
Date: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:49 pm
Subject: �^��: Re: Differences among ML, AI, ES lwang81096
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Thanks for your comment.

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I would say ML and ES are subsets of classic A.I.
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#643 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 2, 2006 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: {Verificado} State of Afairs in AI artificialidea
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Hola Victor,

> In addition to the AIMA Book, where else could I find the state of afairs
> regarding the advances in AI research?

The field is changing extremely fast. Nowadays there are two main directions:
classic AI (most of AIMA book), dealing with symbolic computation, and, I would
call it, cognitive AI. Examples of the last:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetic_robotics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_robot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_robotics

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#644 From: "chinatigershanghai" <chinatigershanghai@...>
Date: Thu Mar 9, 2006 6:37 pm
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For a admissable but not monotone heuristic function, A* and A* with
properly designed cycling checker,both provide opTimal solution,Is it
right or wrong ? we have debat at class.no conclution.Pl some one help
us out.

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#645 From: "\[3!|_/\\|_" <bilal_hayat_butt@...>
Date: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:16 am
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A* gives optimal result unless the heuristic function does not overestimates.

see AI by kevin knight for a discription of this....

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#646 From: john nassan <dr_mysterious2002@...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:34 am
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hi everybody ,i am john a new member of your group
i need help in 2 problems in the AI book
the problems are 16.11 and 17.10 so plz if anyone could help me to solve these problems or even send me the solutions ............i would be thankfull
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#647 From: john nassan <dr_mysterious2002@...>
Date: Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:16 pm
Subject: chapter 16 and chapter 17 dr_mysteriou...
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hi every body,

i need some help in chapter 16 and 17 .....some problems after these chapter are difficult...problem 16.11 and problem 17.10 ...i cant solve these problems...so if anybody can help me to solve these problems or send me the solution and i will try to understand the answer.....thatnkx in advance
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#648 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: Problems in the Book of AI artificialidea
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Hi John,

On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 06:34:19PM -0800, john nassan wrote:
> hi everybody ,i am john a new member of your group
> i need help in 2 problems in the AI book
> the problems are 16.11 and 17.10 so plz if anyone could help me to solve these
> problems or even send me the solutions ............i would be thankfull

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#649 From: "chinatigershanghai" <chinatigershanghai@...>
Date: Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:54 am
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Consider:
          [s]
     4/      \1
  [b]  ---  [a]
5|      2
  [c]
  1|
  [g]

h(a) = 2
h(b) = 1
h(c) = 1
h(g) = 0

I believe that the computer will output
{ S -> B, B->C , C -> G }
but the optimal solution will be
{S -> A, A->B, B -> C, C-> G }

The program produces different output because of cycle checking with a
bad heuristic. But as you can see, it is not optimal. So saying that
cycling checking always produces an optimal solutions is incorrect. Am
I right or am I wrong?

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#650 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:06 pm
Subject: Re: Re: help artificialidea
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On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 12:54:19AM -0000, chinatigershanghai wrote:
> Consider:
>          [s]
>     4/      \1
>  [b]  ---  [a]
> 5|      2
>  [c]
>  1|
>  [g]
>
> h(a) = 2
> h(b) = 1
> h(c) = 1
> h(g) = 0
>
> I believe that the computer will output
> { S -> B, B->C , C -> G }
> but the optimal solution will be
> {S -> A, A->B, B -> C, C-> G }
>
> The program produces different output because of cycle checking with a
> bad heuristic. But as you can see, it is not optimal. So saying that
> cycling checking always produces an optimal solutions is incorrect. Am
> I right or am I wrong?

Depends on the cycle check you use. But without it the A* algorithm will output
the
optimal solution.

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#651 From: "dellnya" <arman_fatahy@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:23 am
Subject: How I can get an AI book or ebook dellnya
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Hello dear student.
I'm an iranian student and I want to have the "AI: A Modern Approach"
Book or ebook how I can get it?
Best hopes to you...

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#652 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:32 pm
Subject: Re: How I can get an AI book or ebook artificialidea
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Hello,

On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 04:23:22AM -0000, dellnya wrote:
> Hello dear student.
> I'm an iranian student and I want to have the "AI: A Modern Approach"
> Book or ebook how I can get it?

isn't it available in a local library to you ? If not there are other books
about AI which are available on the internet. For instance:

http://www.markwatson.com/opencontent/

Some promising things in wikibooks, some with content already:

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=artificial&go=Go

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#653 From: ali amiri <a_amiriir@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:40 pm
Subject: Re: How I can get an AI book or ebook a_amiriir
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Hi
I have the AI book.Please send me your phon number our
post address.I will contact with you.I am teaching in
Zanjan University of Iran.
Amiri

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#654 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:44 pm
Subject: fixed-lag-smoothing 15.6 artificialidea
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Hello,
as an exercise for my java skills, I continue programming the algorithms in
Aima. For the Fixed-Lag-Smoothing (15.6) I have managed to write something that
works, given the same output as my Forward-Backward algorithm, which in turn
returns the same values as in the examples in the book. So I suppose it works.

In my opinion the following lines have to look like this in order to work, and
they are wrong in the book. Please let me know if I have mistaken something or
if you agree:

f <- FORWARD(f, e(t-d))
O(t-d) <- diagonal matrix containing P(e(t-d) | X(t-d))
remove e(t-d) from the beginning of e(t-d:t)


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#655 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:48 pm
Subject: formula 16.1 artificialidea
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Hello,
because the same action can have different outcomes in different situations, I
would like to ask here why the formula in 16.1 doesn't rather look something
like:

EU(A|E) = Sum over i  P(Result_i(A,E)|E) U(Result_i(A,E)

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#656 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:01 pm
Subject: Particle Filtering (15.15) artificialidea
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Hello,

because the Particle-Filtering algorithm in 15.15 should be applicable in
Dynamic Bayes Networks (DBN), and not only in a DBN with one state variable, I
am trying to implement the algorithm for general DBNs.

I would appreciate any comments to my approach:

I define a DBN as 2 Bayes Networks:

1) the transition model which has parents variables not connected between them,
and some other variables, the Xs variables which can be connected between them
and some have as parents the other ones.

2) the sensor model, with the Xs variables and the Es variables.

For the algorithm 15.15 to work with this approach, only slightly modifications
have to be done. If somebody is interested I can post them.

Maybe somebody could give me some links where I can get simple DBN data to test
my algorithm with.

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#657 From: <pranjalawasthi@...>
Date: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:40 pm
Subject: A doubt pranjalawasthi
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can anyone explain the meaning of the following statement:

"An important property of Markov Chains is that the marginal distribution of any subset of nodes remains markovian"

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#658 From: "waqas805" <waqas805@...>
Date: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:12 pm
Subject: I need Some Chapters (13 to 22) waqas805
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Hello

      i want some chapters from book of Artificial intelligence.

i want from chapter 13 to 22 . if some body have soft copy then please
send me on my e-mail address . i shall be thankful to you really.

thanks

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#659 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: A doubt regarding Markov Chains artificialidea
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On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 12:40:58PM -0800, pranjalawasthi@... wrote:
> can anyone explain the meaning of the following statement:
>
> "An important property of Markov Chains is that the marginal distribution of
> any subset of nodes remains markovian"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov_property

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#660 From: Farid B <farid_behnia@...>
Date: Tue Apr 4, 2006 5:54 pm
Subject: What are the best online resources available for AIMA? ambitious_farid
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Hi,

A few days ago, in search for some online resources on AIMA I cam across the iCampus educational project at MIT available at:

http://icampustutor.csail.mit.edu/6.034-public/

Now, my question is: Does any of you guys have any experience with it? Since one of the major prerequisites is learning Scheme programming language, is it worth the overhead of learning a new language? I live in Iran and Prolog is mostly advocated as the de facto programming language to learn for A.I. Should I go with Prolog or Scheme?

As for other online resources, we all know that there are TONs of presentation slides available for AIMA. Russel's slides are fine, but they're mostly aimed at the professor and not the students, I suppose. Do you have any other resouces/slides/etc to recommend?

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Dear Farid
I feel that Prolog is widely used and it is better you learn Prolog
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> A few days ago, in search for some online resources on AIMA I cam across the
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> one of the major prerequisites is learning Scheme programming language, is it
> worth the overhead of learning a new language? I live in Iran and Prolog is
> mostly advocated as the de facto programming language to learn for A.I.
> Should I go with Prolog or Scheme?
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> presentation slides available for AIMA. Russel's slides are fine, but they're
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#662 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Wed Apr 5, 2006 7:39 pm
Subject: Re: What are the best online resources available for AIMA? artificialidea
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> Should I go with Prolog or Scheme?

I've heard a lot of times that learning a new [computer] language helps you a
lot using the others better. And that has been indeed my personal experience. I
program mostly in Java but use often recursive methods I learned from Lisp,
Scheme and the pseudo-code of AIMA.

> Do you have any other resouces/slides/etc to recommend?

There is a free book about AI and lots of high quality Wikipedia pages which
will soon become the best source IMHO.

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IMHO Scheme, Lisp, Prolog (which I have no idea of) are old programming
languages. Most projects are done in C, when performance is important, or in
Java and Python, when performance is not very important. As a language for
students, Python is really intuitive. I like Groovy too, but I haven't had much
time yet to play with it.

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#663 From: Robert Futrelle <futrelle@...>
Date: Wed Apr 5, 2006 9:20 pm
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If you have a chance to look at Norvig's book, Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp, it can teach you a lot. It will show you how compactly Lisp can represent and manipulate knowledge-related structures and algorithms.

C is a poor language for AI because its syntax is so distant from the concepts you are working with. The essence of AI is concepts and algorithms, not code and efficiency. When trying to do symbolic computations in C, most people end up unwittingly re-implementing many of the basics of Lisp in order to do the symbolic computations. "Those who don't know Lisp are forced to reinvent it," the saying goes.

At least Java and some other modern languages took seriously the importance of the lack of pointers and automatic memory management that were in Lisp from the beginning. Whether or not you use Lisp, you owe it a debt of gratitude.

BTW: What free AI book is being referred to?

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Hi, > Should I go with Prolog or Scheme? I've heard a lot of times that learning a new [computer] language helps you a lot using the others better. And that has been indeed my personal experience. I program mostly in Java but use often recursive methods I learned from Lisp, Scheme and the pseudo-code of AIMA. > Do you have any other resouces/slides/etc to recommend? There is a free book about AI and lots of high quality Wikipedia pages which will soon become the best source IMHO. <advertisement> I'm programming a library in Java (mainly with the algorithms of AIMA). I'm programming applets too. You can see a preview at:http://www.artificialidea.com/index.php?page=my_programs</advertisement> IMHO Scheme, Lisp, Prolog (which I have no idea of) are old programming languages. Most projects are done in C, when performance is important, or in Java and Python, when performance is not very important. As a language for students, Python is really intuitive. I like Groovy too, but I haven't had much time yet to play with it. -- Ivan F. Villanueva B. artificialidea.com <<< European Community Patent will bring >>> <<< Software patents by the backdoor >>> <<< http://wiki.ffii.org/ComPatEn >>>

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#664 From: Farid B <farid_behnia@...>
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 8:00 am
Subject: Re: What are the best online resources available for AIMA? ambitious_farid
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Hi,

> If you have a chance to look at Norvig's book,
> Paradigms of
> Artificial Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in
> Common Lisp, it
> can teach you a lot.  It will show you how compactly
> Lisp can
> represent and manipulate knowledge-related
> structures and algorithms.
>
I was just browsing Russel's page, and LISP was ALL
over the place. Prolog was also included but not
seemingly  as much recommended as LISP.
Yet, I don't have much idea about LISP, I've heard a
lot of hackers (in the sense of e.g. Eric Raymond)
recommend it as a must-learn programming language. I'm
not a professional programmer, so can I learn it fast?


> C is a poor language for AI because its syntax is so
> distant from the
> concepts you are working with.  The essence of AI is
> concepts and
> algorithms, not code and efficiency.  When trying to
> do symbolic
> computations in C, most people end up unwittingly
> re-implementing
> many of the basics of Lisp in order to do the
> symbolic computations.
> "Those who don't know Lisp are forced to reinvent
> it," the saying
> goes.
>

Our instructor has not enforced much programming, as
you mentioned: AI is mostly concerned with concepts
not coding.
Therefore it doesn't make much difference for me
whether to learn Prolog/LISP? Considering the "short
window of learning opportunity" for learning a new
language highly effective for my AI, pitting Prolog
against LISP, which one wins?

  I have the AIMA book, but I need some resource that
can teach it to me. I'm not getting much from the
class. Now, considering my case, is learning Scheme
for aligning myself with the MIT iCampus course on AI
a bad idea?

I've got the impression that Scheme is an
easy-to-learn language. Now, can you guide me what
path to take?

One last point:

I've checked Russel's slides, they're fine. But are
there ANY better-polished ones out there?

> BTW: What free AI book is being referred to?
>

Is this question addressed to me or Ivan?


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#665 From: Paolo Amoroso <amoroso@...>
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: What are the best online resources available for AIMA? amoroso_paolo
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Farid B <farid_behnia@...> writes:

> Yet, I don't have much idea about LISP, I've heard a
> lot of hackers (in the sense of e.g. Eric Raymond)
> recommend it as a must-learn programming language. I'm
> not a professional programmer, so can I learn it fast?

If by "LISP" you mean Common Lisp, i.e. the language the AIMA Lisp
code is written in, you may have a look at this book:

   Practical Common Lisp
   http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book


> I've got the impression that Scheme is an
> easy-to-learn language. Now, can you guide me what
> path to take?

If you are interested in Scheme, see:

   Teach Yourself Scheme in Fixnum Days
   http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/languages/scheme/tutorial-dsitaram/t-y-scheme.html

   How to Design Programs
   http://www.htdp.org


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#666 From: "Ivan F. Villanueva B." <ivan@...>
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 4:12 pm
Subject: lisp and free book artificialidea
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On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 05:20:29PM -0400, Robert Futrelle wrote:
> If you have a chance to look at Norvig's book,  Paradigms of Artificial
> Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp, it can teach you a
> lot.  It will show you how compactly Lisp can represent and manipulate
> knowledge-related structures and algorithms.

Thanks. I will.

> C is a poor language for AI because its syntax is so distant from the concepts
> you are working with.

If you mean GOFAI, I consider the Python sources of AIMA much easier to
understand than the lisp sources. For embodied AI, like Robot programming, C is
the one. The best robot simulations I know, Player/Stage Project and Webots, are
in C/C++

> When trying to do symbolic computations in C, most people end
> up unwittingly re-implementing many of the basics of Lisp

"Symbolic Computations" is exactly the problem. "Symbolic Computations" are the
reason why AI has not yet managed to create robots as intelligent as, say, a
fish. A good book about it is: "Understanding Intelligence" by Pfeifer and
Scheier.

> BTW: What free AI book is being referred to?

http://www.markwatson.com/opencontent/
and some books in wikibooks.

I think symbolic algorithms are an interesting field in AI, but not the only
one,
not even the most important one, and I think that fact is the first thing any AI
student have to heard.

Coming back to the OP's question, I would say the best languages to learn at
the moment for AI are python because it is easy; and C/C++ for performance.

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#667 From: Robert Futrelle <futrelle@...>
Date: Thu Apr 6, 2006 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: lisp and free book bobfutrelle
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I have to agree that symbolic computation has definite limits. You could even go so far as to consider it a human conceit to try to reduce rich and complex phenomena to a set of discrete symbols that we create. Corpus-based NLP, HMMs, situated robotics systems, neural nets, etc., demonstrate the power that's accessible beyond human-designated symbols. The argument that we have symbols in our heads is a hard one to support, and it's only getting harder.

-- Bob Futrelle

On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 05:20:29PM -0400, Robert Futrelle wrote: > If you have a chance to look at Norvig's book, Paradigms of Artificial > Intelligence Programming: Case Studies in Common Lisp, it can teach you a > lot. It will show you how compactly Lisp can represent and manipulate > knowledge-related structures and algorithms. Thanks. I will. > C is a poor language for AI because its syntax is so distant from the concepts > you are working with. If you mean GOFAI, I consider the Python sources of AIMA much easier to understand than the lisp sources. For embodied AI, like Robot programming, C is the one. The best robot simulations I know, Player/Stage Project and Webots, are in C/C++ > When trying to do symbolic computations in C, most people end > up unwittingly re-implementing many of the basics of Lisp "Symbolic Computations" is exactly the problem. "Symbolic Computations" are the reason why AI has not yet managed to create robots as intelligent as, say, a fish. A good book about it is: "Understanding Intelligence" by Pfeifer and Scheier. > BTW: What free AI book is being referred to?http://www.markwatson.com/opencontent/and some books in wikibooks. I think symbolic algorithms are an interesting field in AI, but not the only one, not even the most important one, and I think that fact is the first thing any AI student have to heard. Coming back to the OP's question, I would say the best languages to learn at the moment for AI are python because it is easy; and C/C++ for performance. -- Ivan F. Villanueva B. artificialidea.com <<< European Community Patent will bring >>> <<< Software patents by the backdoor >>> <<< http://wiki.ffii.org/ComPatEn >>>

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#668 From: "waqas805" <waqas805@...>
Date: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:51 am
Subject: solved exercise waqas805
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Hello

Friend

  you got solved exercises or not if u got then please tell me how i
can get or if you have then please send me too. or tell me how u got.
bye
but i need only chapters from 13 till 21.
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#669 From: "waqas805" <waqas805@...>
Date: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:43 am
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Hello

         If somebody have solve exercises of chpaters
13,14,15,16,17,18,19.then please send me . I shall be thankful to
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