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Re: [ajax_and_ria] Flash / AJAX decision making

fyi

This is incorrect. IF you are using Internet Explorer, AND you go to OUR
website to install Flash (most people don't get the player this way),
then you are given the OPTION to install the Yahoo toolbar.

All other installs do not install or offer to install the toolbar.

mike chambers

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Laurent Muchacho wrote:
> Hi David,

> I apologise in advance to you and all Flash lover out there, but please can
> you explain to me why when you install Flash Player 8 on your machine it
> will install Yahoo toolbar without asking you if you even want to have the
> yahoo toolbar.
>
Sat Nov 19, 2005 7:49 pm

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Hey everybody! I'm working on a white paper that looks at when to use Flash vs. when to use AJAX. I'd love to hear what people in this group have to say. I... 		Jonathan Boutelle
jonathanbout...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
6:38 pm

Are you factoring in Flex 1.5 and 2 at all? I've recently shifted my career this year to focus on Flex more so than Flash development. Granted, I use both in...
JesterXL
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Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
7:02 pm

Yes, for sure! Consider the possibility of using Flex 2 (or even third-party frameworks like Laszlo). -Jon ... Jon Boutelle Principal, Uzanto Consulting ...
Jonathan Boutelle
jonathanbout...
Offline Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
7:07 pm

I know a Flex dev from Oz who knows both (Scott Barnes), so hopefully he can give a unique, albiet passionate response when he joins this discussion later. In...
JesterXL
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Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
8:37 pm

Hi all, Just a short message to put some more emphasis on AJAX :-) I believe that everything that Flex can do, can also be done by mature AJAX toolkits. Both...
Jep Castelein
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
9:10 pm

... mature AJAX ... custom AJAX ... the next ... available, so ... Actually thats not entirely true. Perception maybe there provided you are using it in a...
spidaweb
Offline Send Email 		Nov 18, 2005
2:12 am

Crap, forgot; Flash for kiosks is a really really big market, and lends itself well to the occasionally connected model. ... From: "JesterXL"...
JesterXL
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Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
8:54 pm

To respond to Jep; thanks for taking the time to read all of that Jep! - form intensive applications * Better with HTML: loads faster, runs faster, feels more...
JesterXL
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Send Email 		Nov 17, 2005
9:29 pm

Wow, lots of ideas here. A couple of responses. RE: initial load time. I have to say, html applications always feel a little bit "snappier" to me in terms of...
Jonathan Boutelle
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 18, 2005
12:32 am

RE: initial load time. Aye, but I'd argue each second I take from the user I am in turn giving them exponentially more functionality. RE: drag & drop Gotcha. ...
JesterXL
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Send Email 		Nov 18, 2005
1:10 am

Hi Jon, I wrote an Ajax for designers paper that has a section about "choosing" a technology for the front end. I don't consider rendering engines b/c I'm...
Dave Heller
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 18, 2005
3:12 am

Hi All, Interesting thread. I am from Macromedia and certainly biased, but I do think there are strengths for each and I'll try to write some relatively ...
David Mendels
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 18, 2005
8:21 pm

David, I agree that this conversation ends up having "apples to oranges" problems. There are at least two dimensions to the decision: 1)The underlying...
Jonathan Boutelle
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 18, 2005
10:27 pm

Jon, Good points. One thing then to note however, as it relates to (1) is the rate of innovation and rate of distribution of " underlying capabilities of the ...
David Mendels
dmendels
Offline Send Email 		Nov 19, 2005
3:39 am

Hi David, I agree with you on all the good thing Flash can do. I think the rate of innovation of AJAX/DHTML application as not being frozen on the last 5 year ...
Laurent Muchacho
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Send Email 		Nov 19, 2005
1:42 pm

fyi This is incorrect. IF you are using Internet Explorer, AND you go to OUR website to install Flash (most people don't get the player this way), then you are...
Mike Chambers
mesh.rm
Online Now Send Email 		Nov 19, 2005
7:53 pm

I don't believe that David said there had been no innovation within the Ajax world (I think it is pretty clear there has been). I think he pointed out the...
Mike Chambers
mesh.rm
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8:10 pm

Hi Mike, Thanks for the details answer. It's true that it's much easier to update the Flash player then updating the browser. Regards Laurent ... From:...
Laurent Muchacho
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Send Email 		Nov 19, 2005
11:43 pm

I have only one issue with Flash as a RIA. It needs to be able to embed a webbrowser component. So I can use Flash for what it's good for and embed existing...
Reg Cheramy
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 19, 2005
6:40 pm

Here's one way: http://coenraets.com/viewarticle.jsp?articleId=95 ... From: Reg Cheramy To: ajax_and_ria@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:40...
JesterXL
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Send Email 		Nov 19, 2005
6:52 pm

Hi Laurent, Please don't assume I am in such a box. We are using AJAX at Macromedia too, and using AJAX and Flash together (see Mike and Christian's work on ...
David Mendels
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Offline Send Email 		Nov 20, 2005
4:19 pm
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