does this mean you're going to be the first person to save all
the miniak patches for us micron users to try out as well? :D


--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "flimdesign" <ryan@...> wrote:
>
> most of the patches are new. being familiar with the micron sounds, i do think
the miniak presets are much more useful. the keyboard has better action. it
comes with a mic and xlr jack. otherwise, it is a micron.
>
> how many miniak owners are on this forum? i've got one and love it. I also own
an ion.
>
> I do wish they made a Miniak with more knobs...
>
> --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "lordeverthebest" <lordeverthebest@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, yes, they're similar: same functions, same look (except for some adds
like the microphone) , similar sounds.
> >
> >
> > --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, Mark Ireland <markincuba@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > They are the same. The patchlist is almost the same too.
> > >
> > > To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: sidney_ribeiro2004@
> > > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:32:30 +0000
> > > Subject: [ion-micron] Miniak is the Micron???
> > >
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> > >       The miniak is the same micron???
> > >
> > > And patch list?? Are same???
> > >
> > > Tks
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You dont want a condenser for a mic..... you want  a medium to large "dynamic" microphone....

Condensers are wrong for vocoding.... a SM57 shure will work... a EV re20 will work.....because they are not condensing the amplitude of your voice...it is the dynamics(lows and highs) that shape the vocoder sounds....that is the source of your grainyness.....
-----Original message-----
From: "the_himanator" the_himanator@...
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 15:03:15 -0700
To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ion-micron] Re: Vocoding mic

I use a large diaphragm condenser and cheapy Joe Meek pre-amp with the Ion - i'm still not 100% happy with the vocoder, the response sounds a little bit grainy to my ears but at least the signal is there and un-distorted. I prefer the sound of the vocoder on the K series Novation boards but of course the Ion does so much more...

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dale" wrote:
>
> you can use a mixer to send the input to the synth
> that or a DI box .. I prefer a mixer when I am sending audio in
> using a mixer gives me a wider range of mikes and inputs anyway, even pre
> recorded items esp. stuff already mangled with a sampler ...
>
> and there is the feedback you can use with the synth too, that is
> audio from the synth feedback into it, with a mixer, you can control that
> level and get some very interesting sounds to use
>
> dale
>
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> iTunes
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>
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> those
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rrockkey"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:00 AM
> Subject: [ion-micron] Re: Vocoding mic
>
>
> > I just checked the Micron manual for the input specs.
> >
> > Audio Input
> > Input Connectors: 2 Balanced 1/4" TRS jacks
> > Maximum Input Level: +5.2dBu (1.41VRMS) = -0dBFS
> > Input Impedance: 10kΩ
> >
> > There's no sensitivity or noise spec. and at 10K ohms it looks like a high
> Z mic would be a bad choice if it's much over 10K ohms but I have an old
> Shure Unisphere A Model PE 585 which happens to have a 1/4" TS cable and it
> seemed to work ok. I just tried to look up the actual output Z of the Mic
> and all the original spec sheet says is "Hi Z".
> >
> > It also looks like you could wire a balanced (typically Low Z) mic up to
> the 1/4" balanced TRS inputs of the micron but I never did that.
> >
> > Seem pretty unclear as to what type of mic was intended to be used so I
> suppose a little trial and error will need to be used to select the best mic
> for the job.
> >
> > On the other hand, looking at the Micron input specs again, it looks like
> using a mic preamp might best match any given mic the the Micron input.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rock
>

I use a large diaphragm condenser and cheapy Joe Meek pre-amp with the Ion - i'm
still not 100% happy with the vocoder, the response sounds a little bit grainy
to my ears but at least the signal is there and un-distorted.  I prefer the
sound of the vocoder on the K series Novation boards but of course the Ion does
so much more...

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dale" <admin@...> wrote:
>
> you can use a mixer to send the input to the synth
> that or a DI box .. I prefer a mixer when I am sending audio in
> using a mixer gives me a wider range of mikes and inputs anyway, even pre
> recorded items esp. stuff already mangled with a sampler ...
>
> and there is the feedback you can use with the synth too, that is
> audio from the synth feedback into it, with a mixer, you can control that
> level and get some very interesting sounds to use
>
> dale
>
> band web pages
> Inquisitor Betrayer
> "Space Elevator" Get it at http://cdbaby.com/cd/inquisitorbetrayer
> http://www.inquisitorbetrayer.com ,
> http://www.myspace.com/inquisitorbetrayer , http://www.PlanetOrigo.com and
> iTunes
>
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=200365877
>
> New group for Serious Musicians, Serious_Musicians@yahoogroups.com, for
> those
> who want to spend less time marketing and more time making music
>
> Escuchen a los Inquisitor - Musica para Inteligentes.
>  Music is nothing if the audience is deaf.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rrockkey" <rockkey@...>
> To: <alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:00 AM
> Subject: [ion-micron] Re: Vocoding mic
>
>
> > I just checked the Micron manual for the input specs.
> >
> > Audio Input
> > Input Connectors: 2 Balanced 1/4" TRS jacks
> > Maximum Input Level: +5.2dBu (1.41VRMS) = -0dBFS
> > Input Impedance: 10k&#937;
> >
> > There's no sensitivity or noise spec. and at 10K ohms it looks like a high
> Z mic would be a bad choice if it's much over 10K ohms but I have an old
> Shure Unisphere A Model PE 585 which happens to have a 1/4" TS cable and it
> seemed to work ok. I just tried to look up the actual output Z of the Mic
> and all the original spec sheet says is "Hi Z".
> >
> > It also looks like you could wire a balanced (typically Low Z) mic up to
> the 1/4" balanced TRS inputs of the micron but I never did that.
> >
> > Seem pretty unclear as to what type of mic was intended to be used so I
> suppose a little trial and error will need to be used to select the best mic
> for the job.
> >
> > On the other hand, looking at the Micron input specs again, it looks like
> using a mic preamp might best match any given mic the the Micron input.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rock
>

I want to send them to my Micron, but I don't know how to load them into the
plugin, first.
Help?

most of the patches are new. being familiar with the micron sounds, i do think
the miniak presets are much more useful. the keyboard has better action. it
comes with a mic and xlr jack. otherwise, it is a micron.

how many miniak owners are on this forum? i've got one and love it. I also own
an ion.

I do wish they made a Miniak with more knobs...

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "lordeverthebest" <lordeverthebest@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, yes, they're similar: same functions, same look (except for some adds like
the microphone) , similar sounds.
>
>
> --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, Mark Ireland <markincuba@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > They are the same. The patchlist is almost the same too.
> >
> > To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com
> > From: sidney_ribeiro2004@
> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:32:30 +0000
> > Subject: [ion-micron] Miniak is the Micron???
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       The miniak is the same micron???
> >
> > And patch list?? Are same???
> >
> > Tks
> >
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> >
> >
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>

Hi, yes, they're similar: same functions, same look (except for some adds like
the microphone) , similar sounds.


--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, Mark Ireland <markincuba@...> wrote:
>
>
> They are the same. The patchlist is almost the same too.
>
> To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com
> From: sidney_ribeiro2004@...
> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:32:30 +0000
> Subject: [ion-micron] Miniak is the Micron???
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>       The miniak is the same micron???
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> And patch list?? Are same???
>
> Tks
>
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The miniak is the same micron???
And patch list?? Are same???
Tks

I finally figured out how to send midi cc from ableton live to the micron to see
how it would respond to cc messages and yes it does respond to the midi cc even
after another patch is selected and played.  So I'm thinking about getting a
BCN44 controller...it is a for knob controller, the encoder resolution is
supposed to be pretty good.  But before I do I'll take your advice and look into
setups a little more.

I did try playing my programs in setup mode but for some reason, I don't
remember what it was, I liked playing in program mode better. But if I'm not
clear on why I didn't like it all the more reason it need to be explored
further.  If I can do what I have in mind in setups...all the better.

thanks.


--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "danfoleyiv" <danfoleyiv@...> wrote:
>
> ===
> well here is my question: if on the first sound  a midi cc was set to modulate
something using the mod matrix would it still respond to midi after changing
over to another patch?  Would it respond like the m1 m2 sliders or like the xyz
knobs?  I'm thinking about getting a midi knob box, but only if it would behave
like the sliders and I don't have a midi controler to try this out with. 
Anybody know about this?
> ===
>
> i used to do the same program change trick on my k-station, it was cool
because the sound of the first patch would get processed by the next, not
exactly the same thing i guess.
>
> to answer your question:  if your using a micron then absolutely yes but i
would take a different approach.  I believe the ability to control lots of
patches at once is the reason why a mircon is so powerful.  By adding your
patches to a setup you can accomplish your goal.
>
> for example: you have two patches you want to use simultaneously, lets call
them patch A and B.  Program a setup to contain both these patches.  next lets
say that you want to be able to choose which patch to play within the setup. 
now you have several options.  you could tell the micron to only play patch A on
some keys and patch B on some others, you could also use multi channel mode to
allow patch A and B to be controled by seperate midi channels.  There is even an
option to select which of the 5 sliders n knobs should apply to each patch.
>
> if you want more control you could get an external controller to expand your
options, just program up the external controller knobs to adjust something (ie
whether patch A's envelope is looping or not) and make sure your controller is
sending it to the right channel.
>
> i use an m-audio axiom for outboard control, it has a good feel and the
hardware is quality but the axiom software interface was a little cumbersome. 
my rule of thumb is if i cant figure out how to do what a program was designed
for in 15 minutes or less, then the software is weak.  anyone know if is there
new/better software out for the axiom pro?
>
> cheers!
>

Does the headphones right channel output mute also?
If so, probably a flaky JFET.

However, they're inexpensive and relatively easy to replace (provided you know
your way around with a soldering iron). Part number NTE468 should do fine.



--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "freqspec" <freqspec@...> wrote:
>
> Hello.
> Can anyone tell me why after 30 or so minutes my microns
> right hand channel just mutes?
> I switch it off and back on and it works again.
> Its not noisy and doesnt cause any other problem
> it just cuts out?
>
> Fet or capacitor?
>
> im guessing
>

===
well here is my question: if on the first sound  a midi cc was set to modulate
something using the mod matrix would it still respond to midi after changing
over to another patch?  Would it respond like the m1 m2 sliders or like the xyz
knobs?  I'm thinking about getting a midi knob box, but only if it would behave
like the sliders and I don't have a midi controler to try this out with. 
Anybody know about this?
===

i used to do the same program change trick on my k-station, it was cool because
the sound of the first patch would get processed by the next, not exactly the
same thing i guess.

to answer your question:  if your using a micron then absolutely yes but i would
take a different approach.  I believe the ability to control lots of patches at
once is the reason why a mircon is so powerful.  By adding your patches to a
setup you can accomplish your goal.

for example: you have two patches you want to use simultaneously, lets call them
patch A and B.  Program a setup to contain both these patches.  next lets say
that you want to be able to choose which patch to play within the setup.  now
you have several options.  you could tell the micron to only play patch A on
some keys and patch B on some others, you could also use multi channel mode to
allow patch A and B to be controled by seperate midi channels.  There is even an
option to select which of the 5 sliders n knobs should apply to each patch.

if you want more control you could get an external controller to expand your
options, just program up the external controller knobs to adjust something (ie
whether patch A's envelope is looping or not) and make sure your controller is
sending it to the right channel.

i use an m-audio axiom for outboard control, it has a good feel and the hardware
is quality but the axiom software interface was a little cumbersome.  my rule of
thumb is if i cant figure out how to do what a program was designed for in 15
minutes or less, then the software is weak.  anyone know if is there new/better
software out for the axiom pro?

cheers!

Hello.
Can anyone tell me why after 30 or so minutes my microns
right hand channel just mutes?
I switch it off and back on and it works again.
Its not noisy and doesnt cause any other problem
it just cuts out?

Fet or capacitor?

im guessing

you know how if you set the amp envelope to loop then trigger a note the sound
will keep playing AND you can still control whatever is assigned to m1 and m2 on
that patch even after selecting and playing a second patch (xyz knob control is
lost after selecting a second patch).  well here is my question: if on the first
sound  a midi cc was set to modulate something using the mod matrix would it
still respond to midi after changing over to another patch?  Would it respond
like the m1 m2 sliders or like the xyz knobs?  I'm thinking about getting a midi
knob box, but only if it would behave like the sliders and I don't have a midi
controler to try this out with.  Anybody know about this?

thanks.

From what I recall Rock, your posts were and are a model of helpfulness. :)

Email / forums are funny things, they can be read in many different ways,
which is what happened I think.

IMHO the Micron is certainly not the machine I'd recommend to any beginners.


> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com
> >[mailto:alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rrockkey
> >Sent: 18 November 2009 13:49
> >To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [ion-micron] Re: about the group, some general items and me
> >
> >Hi Dale,
> >
> >I thought I was hitting you off-line but it's OK either way.
> >
> >You're doing a great job, thanks for all that.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Rock
> >
> >
> >
> >--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dale" <admin@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> not saying anything to you at all
> >> that was sent to the group as a whole
> >>
> >> I have no problem with you at all. In fact, your one of my
> >best people in the group.
> >>
> >> I did see some posts, I posted this a few times now but I
> >did not see
> >> ... I post this kind of mass mail every so often to those
> >who might
> >> have missed the text files or did not read it and are
> >wondering why,
> >> they can not post. Then there are those who wonder who
> >this bonehead
> >> is (me). ;-)
> >>
> >> dale
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >
> >A web based reference tool (WIKI) for the ION/Micron is
> >located at http://ion-micron.wikia.com Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >

Hi Dale,

I thought I was hitting you off-line but it's OK either way.

You're doing a great job, thanks for all that.

Cheers,
Rock



--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "Dale" <admin@...> wrote:
>
> not saying anything to you at all
> that was sent to the group as a whole
>
> I have no problem with you at all. In fact, your one of my best people in the
group.
>
> I did see some posts, I posted this a few times now but I did not see ... I
post this kind of mass mail every so often to those who might have missed the
text files or did not read it and are wondering why, they can not post. Then
there are those who wonder who this bonehead is (me). ;-)
>
> dale
>

----- Original Message -----

From: basswerks_alleyne

 

hallooo!,

just started to use my bass to trigger my micron, instead of playing it from the keyboard.

i am having some major problems with some sounds creating artifacts and wonder if anyone has any ideas about settings that i should be concerned about if i am triggering the micron with a bass outfitted with a gk-3b.

thanks

hallooo!,

just started to use my bass to trigger my micron, instead of playing it from the
keyboard.

i am having some major problems with some sounds creating artifacts and wonder
if anyone has any ideas about settings that i should be concerned about if i am
triggering the micron with a bass outfitted with a gk-3b.

thanks

Hopefully this first collection of points covers your first Q:

- Any patches can be assigned as drums inside a rhythm.

- In single channel midi input mode, you can assign rhythms as parts in a setup
using different key ranges but acting on the same channel. Or the key-ranges can
overlap for layering.

- The 8 note limit is only for all voices (notes/drum hits/etc.) over the whole
machine at any one time (polyphony). If you are actually expecting 9 sounds to
play in one instant, you will only get 8. So just layer away as you want, but
don't always expect all notes to play.

Hopefully this covers the second Q:

- Normally the rhythms in a setup cannot receive CCs, unless you follow the info
below.

- If a drum patch is indeed assigned to the "drum" category, then you can
substitute said drum in for any drums inside any rhythms inside a setup. Just
add the drum program as a part to the setup, then somewhere in its part settings
will appear a special extra menu to use the drum in a rhythm. "Use as drum" or
something.

- Only the drums which you have substituted as above will actually be able to
respond to M1 (mod), M2 (aftertouch), and PITCH messages. I'm not sure if this
also lets other CCs work as well, but it might.

Cheers,
Jules

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "subliminal_sandwich"
<subliminal_sandwich@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, first message here. Quick intro - I want another synth which will be part
of an existing setup with 2 other synths and an MPC1000. The Micron is now my
first choice mostly because of the drum kits. I wanted a Nord Lead 2 but it's
pricier and requires a PCMCIA card for kits. Also the architecture seems more
limited.
>
> The key feature these synths share, AFAIK, is the ability to assign a normal
monophonic patch to a drum kit. To me this the ideal way to program and use
synth drums.
>
> My understanding is that the patch just needs to be assigned to the "drum"
category to be available to kits/rhythms... If I am mistaken about this ability
on the Micron, PLEASE let me know!
>
> Other Questions:
> 1) Can, multiple "rhythms" ( == kits, right?) be assigned to different "parts"
of a multitimbral "setup" in the same way regular synth programs are assigned to
parts? If so can I assign more than 8 drum sounds to one channel using multiple
parts on the same channel?
>
> 2) Can CC assignments in the mod matrix still be used in rhythm/kit mode? For
example if CC2 controls noise level on the snare patch and CC3 controls filter
cutoff on the kick patch, can these be controlled simultaneously in drum kit
mode, or are the CC controls "turned off" in rhythm/kit mode? If not I assume
that they at least retain their velocity sensitivity...
>
> I know this is kind of a long message and I apologize - Thanks in advance!
>

Single patches programmed on an Ion will load just fine to Micron. They will
load to "comp" category and should not overwrite anything.  One warning: Don't
load entire banks of the Ion preset programs; they are already in the Micron,
and you will end up with a lot of duplicate patches.

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "stashofsteel" <stashofsteel@...> wrote:
>
> I have a micron and I'm looking to download some patches from the file
section. Can a use the patches titled ion as well. It looks like they are all
saved as .syx file.
>

http://electro-music.com/

We will be playing live from the studio near or on New Years there.
There should be nearly 50 or more others with sets ranging from 30 to 60
minutes. I put in for any time, even split sets or fill in those who had to back
out so we might be on more than once. In other words, I am available.

If anyone is interested, do join the forum and sign up. Room is short now but if
it was like last year, there was some drops. It is a world wide event. I have
seen a artiest from China sign up yesterday. Yes, they have synths too. I do
encourge everyone here who performs live or in the studio to check this out and
see if you can be a part of it.

back to me
I will have what cats I can herd up. Last year we had a pedal steel player. I
already know, he will be back for the studio for this event. I will try to get
the others I bring in as guests to attend this year. Do not be surprised if I
wrangle in some famous types as well. I got some marks to call in out there. ;-)

btw, it is also a good place to talk to other ION/Micron/Minak users who do not
do yahoo groups ...

dale

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on tw follow ibmuse

I have a micron and I'm looking to download some patches from the file section.
Can a use the patches titled ion as well. It looks like they are all saved as
.syx file.

I have a micron and I'm looking to download some patches from the file section.
Can a use the patches titled ion as well. It looks like they are all saved as
.syx file.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rock Key

To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 10:41 AM

Subject: Re: [ion-micron] about the group, some general items and me

Hi Dale, I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here and why you sent all this to me. If this about me expressing my personal opinion, I thought I did and do apologize. I realize I do not set policy for what can/can't be discussed/asked here even though my intent was to get the most useful info to the questioner. Either way, I'll try to keep the discussion to synths. If this about anything else, please explain. Thanks, Rock      --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Dale Kay [Inquisitor Betrayer] <admin@...> wrote: From: Dale Kay [Inquisitor Betrayer] <admin@...> Subject: [ion-micron] about the group, some general items and me To: alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 3:42 PM   When you sign up, a file is sent, it's a text file. Gives a few general notes and details. It can be found in the file area of the group too. Among the items in the group file : 1. You must be approved to get into the group. It is always handy if you leave me a note saying who you are, what you are after or a hi. Why? Spammers. They seldom put notes in when they sign up. Another reason is I do not care about the numbers. Having x number in a group does not make it a great group. The people do. 2. You will be in moderation for a post or two. All you got to do to get out of this moderation is post something. Something along the lines of the group. A hi, a bio, a question etc. Why? Spammers will most often once they are in, just spam away junk. 3. If you get a virus, trojan or something along those lines, sometimes they will take over your address book and start using it to send things out. If I see spam, I will remove you from the group. All you have to do is sign up again and note me. This has happen in the past. It is not all that uncommon. 4. "I want to attach a file to the group?" This is not in the notes. I have certain groups turned on to allow attachments and for them to send out to every member. This is not one of those groups. Use the file area or some other method, leaving a link for us to go get if we choose. I do prefer you zip or rar any files you put in the file area here. That is in info material found in the headers and file area. 5. All patches should be edit A as to not over write existing patches and easy to find. All patches should include the text file that the decoder produces so we can see what it is, if it is edit A and so on. It is easy to take that text and re-code it to ION, Micron and Miniak use. If I had my way 100%, all patches would be text based and not sysex. All as in every synth made. That subject can be debated and for good cause. Just a few general notes. I am seeing a few comments from a few who posted and did not see their post. There is also the Yahoo element. Yahoo will black hole your post, files and so on at random times. Me? yes, it is just I who pulls the stings, rods and bell cranks behind the curtains of the group. I do have a life. There will be times, I am not around. I do check in when I return. I have 25 something other groups I watch over as well. I also do talk and meet with other owners/moderators of other groups. We do compare notes. Esp. with users who happen to also be in the other groups. It is very interesting to see how each group is so different. Reminds me of classrooms with different teachers. If you got a problem, it is best to hit me off list. If you make it public and I feel it has no use being bantered around here, you will find yourself in moderation. Think of me as the Evil Dark OverLord (EDOL). Tempt not my hand. I have not the time to play politics nor the care. Synth/Music talk, sure hit me up anytime. I do want to know when you gig with the ION/Micron and Miniak. I think all of us here what to hear what you are doing. I seek out and promote programmers who take the time to figure out how to make useful applications for our use here and beyond. Rare to they ever pass anything my way to check out and it is just as well. I seldom have the time these days to beta anything. Including synths which I have in the past. I do expect our programmers to support the applications or make it very clear, this is what I made, I am not messing with it past this point. Like everyone else, I like free but come on, other than the need to eat, place to live and so on, lets not forget, this was a time effort on the programmers part to make something for us to use and we should expect to chip in. Have some respect for them. I no longer program other than what I need to do for the day job. You will catch me and hear me do programming for sound, in reaktor, synthedit and so on music wise. Not hard code for a synth. I will work midi and do daily. I am not going to share that at all anymore as it does not matter what I do or what works, it might not for you anyway. Case in point, what I think is a simple OS upload has turned into a 1000 ways to do it and none of them might work. I prefer to stay in the back ground in this group. I think the members here are great and handle questions and problems in a very professional manner. Often anyway. I tend to use my ION as needed. Not the main synth here in this studio. You will see it in use on stage or hear it. I try to note which tracks use what. I do share patches but also know, not all the sound is from one patch or that one patch used in a single fashion. I do combine the sound of other synths, hard and soft. I will double, triple or stager a track, reverse sample and so on. I mangle as needed. The last live gig I did, you can hear some of the ION using the patches you will find in the file area here. I made a special effort to include that use for that gig. If I took the time to type this out and post it ... consider it's content. Comments ? OFF LIST Please ... dale

When you sign up, a file is sent, it's a text file. Gives a few general notes
and details. It can be found in the file area of the group too.

Among the items in the group file :

1. You must be approved to get into the group. It is always handy if you leave
me a note saying who you are, what you are after or a hi.
Why? Spammers. They seldom put notes in when they sign up. Another reason is I
do not care about the numbers. Having x number in a group does not make it a
great group. The people do.

2. You will be in moderation for a post or two. All you got to do to get out of
this moderation is post something. Something along the lines of the group. A hi,
a bio, a question etc.
Why? Spammers will most often once they are in, just spam away junk.

3. If you get a virus, trojan or something along those lines, sometimes they
will take over your address book and start using it to send things out. If I see
spam, I will remove you from the group. All you have to do is sign up again and
note me. This has happen in the past. It is not all that uncommon.

4. "I want to attach a file to the group?" This is not in the notes. I have
certain groups turned on to allow attachments and for them to send out to every
member. This is not one of those groups. Use the file area or some other method,
leaving a link for us to go get if we choose. I do prefer you zip or rar any
files you put in the file area here. That is in info material found in the
headers and file area.

5. All patches should be edit A as to not over write existing patches and easy
to find. All patches should include the text file that the decoder produces so
we can see what it is, if it is edit A and so on. It is easy to take that text
and re-code it to ION, Micron and Miniak use. If I had my way 100%, all patches
would be text based and not sysex. All as in every synth made. That subject can
be debated and for good cause.

Just a few general notes. I am seeing a few comments from a few who posted and
did not see their post. There is also the Yahoo element. Yahoo will black hole
your post, files and so on at random times.

Me? yes, it is just I who pulls the stings, rods and bell cranks behind the
curtains of the group. I do have a life. There will be times, I am not around. I
do check in when I return. I have 25 something other groups I watch over as
well. I also do talk and meet with other owners/moderators of other groups. We
do compare notes. Esp. with users who happen to also be in the other groups. It
is very interesting to see how each group is so different. Reminds me of
classrooms with different teachers.

If you got a problem, it is best to hit me off list. If you make it public and I
feel it has no use being bantered around here, you will find yourself in
moderation. Think of me as the Evil Dark OverLord (EDOL). Tempt not my hand. I
have not the time to play politics nor the care. Synth/Music talk, sure hit me
up anytime. I do want to know when you gig with the ION/Micron and Miniak. I
think all of us here what to hear what you are doing.

I seek out and promote programmers who take the time to figure out how to make
useful applications for our use here and beyond. Rare to they ever pass anything
my way to check out and it is just as well. I seldom have the time these days to
beta anything. Including synths which I have in the past. I do expect our
programmers to support the applications or make it very clear, this is what I
made, I am not messing with it past this point. Like everyone else, I like free
but come on, other than the need to eat, place to live and so on, lets not
forget, this was a time effort on the programmers part to make something for us
to use and we should expect to chip in. Have some respect for them. I no longer
program other than what I need to do for the day job. You will catch me and hear
me do programming for sound, in reaktor, synthedit and so on music wise. Not
hard code for a synth. I will work midi and do daily. I am not going to share
that at all anymore as it does not matter what I do or what works, it might not
for you anyway. Case in point, what I think is a simple OS upload has turned
into a 1000 ways to do it and none of them might work.

I prefer to stay in the back ground in this group. I think the members here are
great and handle questions and problems in a very professional manner. Often
anyway. I tend to use my ION as needed. Not the main synth here in this studio.
You will see it in use on stage or hear it. I try to note which tracks use what.
I do share patches but also know, not all the sound is from one patch or that
one patch used in a single fashion. I do combine the sound of other synths, hard
and soft. I will double, triple or stager a track, reverse sample and so on. I
mangle as needed. The last live gig I did, you can hear some of the ION using
the patches you will find in the file area here. I made a special effort to
include that use for that gig.

If I took the time to type this out and post it ... consider it's content.

Comments ? OFF LIST Please ...


dale

Hey Osaka,

I regretfully apologize for suggesting you should not ask questions here. This
forum is for all of us. Please do not be discouraged or be too hard on yourself
either.

The Micron is not the easiest synth to learn the basics on, that's for sure.
Here is a video I found that I think will help you with the basics. A synth with
more knobs, one for each function, is easier to learn on too.

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2008/07/16/how-to-program-analog-synthesizers/

Again don't be discouraged, there are a lot of concepts most of us have learned
over many years so jumping in from scratch, it may take some time to let it all
soak in.

If you know anything about audio electronics or acoustics, these subjects are
closely related to synthesis and many terms and concepts are shared in these
areas.

There's a lot more but check out the video and we'll go from there.

Cheers,
Rock

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "dj_osaka" <dj_osaka@...> wrote:
>
> forgive me for asking questions that are not specific,
> I mean here I wish to ask all of you who are experts in making sounds unique
and cool in the Alesis micron about ways to make these voices ... because I do
not understand the basics of programming synth because I had just begin to learn
and I also have read the manual 5 times but I still do not understand (really
stupid of me). I was expecting help you all to help me in detail from the
beginning of the process of making the sound to the end and also can explain
about the functions in the Alesis micron like osc, lfo, voices, envelope, etc. I
again apologize for your inconvenience by answering my question. thank you
before.
>
> stupid newbie,
> osaka
>
> --- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "rrockkey" <rockkey@> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds like you're new to synthesizers altogether. You first need to
understand what's going on under the hood of a typical synth. THEN transfer that
to the MICRON. Google synth programing tutorials. Beware of you tube crap, there
are a lot of idiots out there making stupid videos so try to stick with the
"print" stuff at first.
> >
> > Learn what an oscillator does (tone gererator), filter (tone shaper), VAC
(voltage controlled amplifier) does, an envelope generator does etc.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I don't think you should ask these questions here, not that
you can't as that's just my opinion, but info on this basic stuff is well
documented and has existed for decades not years.
> >
> > Good luck and please try to be more specific with your questions, I too am
learning and I know I also sometimes I ask vague questions so you're not alone
but also do your own research and study.
> >
> > Also, read the Micron manual at least 4 times, especially the part about
programs. If you don't understand the manual, you probably need to go back and
review the basic generic synth tutorials.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Rock
>

forgive me for asking questions that are not specific,
I mean here I wish to ask all of you who are experts in making sounds unique and
cool in the Alesis micron about ways to make these voices ... because I do not
understand the basics of programming synth because I had just begin to learn and
I also have read the manual 5 times but I still do not understand (really stupid
of me). I was expecting help you all to help me in detail from the beginning of
the process of making the sound to the end and also can explain about the
functions in the Alesis micron like osc, lfo, voices, envelope, etc. I again
apologize for your inconvenience by answering my question. thank you before.

stupid newbie,
osaka

--- In alesis-ion@yahoogroups.com, "rrockkey" <rockkey@...> wrote:
>
> It sounds like you're new to synthesizers altogether. You first need to
understand what's going on under the hood of a typical synth. THEN transfer that
to the MICRON. Google synth programing tutorials. Beware of you tube crap, there
are a lot of idiots out there making stupid videos so try to stick with the
"print" stuff at first.
>
> Learn what an oscillator does (tone gererator), filter (tone shaper), VAC
(voltage controlled amplifier) does, an envelope generator does etc.
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't think you should ask these questions here, not that you
can't as that's just my opinion, but info on this basic stuff is well documented
and has existed for decades not years.
>
> Good luck and please try to be more specific with your questions, I too am
learning and I know I also sometimes I ask vague questions so you're not alone
but also do your own research and study.
>
> Also, read the Micron manual at least 4 times, especially the part about
programs. If you don't understand the manual, you probably need to go back and
review the basic generic synth tutorials.
>
> Cheers,
> Rock

----- Original Message -----

From: dustin sedlacek

Are you talking about using a software synth like Reason?
Yeah I do have Reason.

I went to an electro-music festival & a lot of the performers were using a laptop. However, since I work at the computer all day I would sort of like to get away from it after work.

Laura

I too work at a computer all day so I can understand that. Look into something like an MPC1000 it will sequence the micron and play back samples for you.  they should be pretty affordable now.