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Can you prove they didn't? The last major stock market crashes we had in the UK were down to electronic trading systems going awol and playing silly games of "who can dump their stock on the market fastest" ... one bug in that kind of software can wreak havoc upon a bank.
Lets take a hypothetical ... the devs at an afforementioned bank just got on and wrote their mortgage risk assesment software, skipping TDD and SOLID as it would have been too hard and stopped them delivering the software quickly. It happens that their software was a little too happy to say "approved", and because the margin of error in the rounding it was using was only out by half a percent, and because more mortgages approved meant more commission, nobody investigated too hard.
Can you tell me for sure that better mortgage software at other bank didn't help protect them? I know of no trader who isn't totally and utterly dependent upon software to base all their decisions on.
Now I know of one major mortgage provider in the UK, and I know which company wrote the software that was used to do the calculations and approvals, and I know the quality of the devs on that project ... I would be surprised if their software was right even 80% of the time ...
Just becasue CNN didn't blame bad software for the crash of Lehmans, doesn't mean it didn't have an influence.
2008/9/23 jdn3times <jdn3times@...>
Okay.
Referring to your post (which I agree with 100% except for the 'go
home' part, refer to rest of sentence to follow, starting.....now),
the rest of the business world will get on creating business apps
that provide real everyday value, ignoring all these artsy-fartsy
discussions about best practices, cuddling, etc.
As I've said before, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, etc. did not
collapse because of a lack of a separation of concerns.
jdn> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Casey Charlton <casey@...>wrote:
--- In altdotnet@yahoogroups.com, "Ayende Rahien" <Ayende@...> wrote:
>
> Hm, I hope so.
> http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2008/09/23/cuddling-is-consider-
harmful.aspx
>
> Flame on.
>> > 2008/9/23 Bill Barry <after.fallout@...>
>
> > There is nothing you can say on this list (at least technically)
that is
> > out of order ... opinions are opinions ...
> >> >> 2008/9/23 Sebastien Lambla <seb@...>
> >
> > If I've said anything that sounded anti-MS, rest assured that
was not
> >> my intentions. I am not anti-MS at all, merely anti-"MS or bust"
and firmly
> >> against anything that would encourage such a viewpoint.
> >>
> >> Certain portions of MS do rightly deserve bashing for pushing
that view,
> >> but I don't think that is for this list. Other things tick me
off about many
> >> companies (MS included) and I see no reason not to call such
things to
> >> attention when they occur (as I do on my blog), but again I
don't think that
> >> is for this list.
> >>
> >> If anybody says anything that shouldn't be on this list lets
please say
> >> something to check ourselves before letting it out of hand.
Remember that we
> >> are self governing with almost no moderation and I for one do
not want to
> >> have to have to call something to the attention of a moderator
for
> >> closing/deletion/banning.
> >>
> >>
> >> Casey Charlton wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep ... for all it's faults MS has made some superb software,
and some
> >> superb frameworks, they just turn out a piece of dross now and
then ... but
> >> on the whole, I would say most MS stuff is pretty darn good.
> >>
> >> I'm certainly not anti-MS, just anti-stagnation.
> >>> >>> From: mdbrown@...
> >>
> >>> I feek quite uncomfortable with the focus that seems to be
appearing
> >>> at the moment around choosing alternatives to microsoft.
Microsoft is a
> >>> vendor amongst others, and alt.net is about being respoinsible
and
> >>> pragmatic in your adoption of choices and go with what works
rather than
> >>> guidance.
> >>>
> >>> This focus on Microsoft (and the monopoly on tools i keep
hearing about)
> >>> is diverting from the real issues of empowerment and self-
improvement that
> >>> have been the focus and efforts of many of us.
> >>>
> >>> I jsut wonder if there's a communication problem there between
different
> >>> waves of arrivals in the alt.net movement or if this original
focus on
> >>> MS-bashing just didn't get to me until now.
> >>>
> >>> Seb
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> To: altdotnet@yahoogroups.com> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 9:20 PM, George Mauer <gmauer@...>
> >>> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:02:17 -0400
> >>> Subject: RE: [altdotnet] Re: Is Alt.Net becoming equivalent to
an
> >>> andvanced CS curriculum?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The core tenet of Alt.NET is that there are other ways to
address your
> >>> issues than using what is delivered by Microsoft.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Java world only has Alt…Sun does not innovate on the
framework (or
> >>> even the language for that matter these days, read the story on
the origin
> >>> of Generic support in Java). Until very recently, the EJB spec
was driven by
> >>> the interests of 3rd party vendors rather than what would be
best for
> >>> developers. If you want to find a framework to address your
concerns in
> >>> Java, you HAVE to look to the open source/third party community.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* altdotnet@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:altdotnet@yahoogroups.com] *On
> >>> Behalf Of *Ayende Rahien
> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:34 PM
> >>> *To:* altdotnet@yahoogroups.com
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [altdotnet] Re: Is Alt.Net becoming equivalent
to an
> >>> andvanced CS curriculum?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It is not alt there :-)
> >>>
wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good point,
> >>> I know nothing about the Java or Cpp world, are there any
movements to
> >>> teach these ideas there?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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