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Am I alone in thinking that Silverlight is just another browser plug in?

The only pluses I can see is that I can possibly deploy a smart client application over the internet.

Also I can code against it in C# (big deal). 

I do not want to learn XAml full stop and the tooling painfully is just not there.

how will not silverlight not have the same problems inherent in flash?

To my mind the things that are happening in the Javascript and browser space with things like canvas (please IE8 adopt this), JQuery etc., etc., etc far surpass the problems associated with plugins and as such more deserving of my free time.

I think the hype surrounding silverlight is ridiculous and the learning curve just to big for the return.

Have I missed something or is it as I suspect all the book sellers and conference speakers who are creating this buzz.

In my mind JavaScript is about to erupt as the next great language.

 


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Am I alone in thinking that Silverlight is just another browser plug in?The only pluses I can see is that I can possibly deploy a smart client application over...
Paul Cowan
dagda1970 Offline Send Email
Oct 22, 2008
8:19 pm

Paul, what is it that you expect from Silverlight? I.e. what were your expectations to compare to its shortcomings?...
Stoyan Damov
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Oct 22, 2008
8:25 pm

I'd say that if you know WPF, then you'll probably be productive on Silverlight too. Having said that, I must say that it still hasn't convinced me too. -- ...
Luis Abreu
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Oct 22, 2008
8:28 pm

I agree about XAML - UI definitions in XML has always been a bad idea. For transitions and animations maybe not so much. For RIAs Silverlight does have a great...
Michael Foord
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Oct 22, 2008
8:31 pm

I always thought XAML was MS's answer to XUL (which is a pretty good language for UI IMO, just look at Firefox/Thunderbird and all the addons)....
Bill Barry
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Oct 22, 2008
8:44 pm

Personally, I find XAML very natural way to think about UI.It fit closely with the way web UI are built, and I find it very amusing to be able to do things...
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 22, 2008
9:49 pm

JavaScript has erupted as the next big programming languages. Silverlight is hyped by MSFT because it is their proprietary thing and their to be flash killer....
nima dilmaghani
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Oct 22, 2008
8:50 pm

At this point, I think you're going to see a lot more people learning Silverlight, and then realizing it's easy to build things in WPF, than going to other...
Steven Smith
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Oct 23, 2008
1:44 pm

my expectations are none. I expect it to be on power with and with possibly inferior tooling to flex. but i've read things like "this will change the way we...
Paul Cowan
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Oct 22, 2008
8:40 pm

Just the .NET languages in a RIA is revolutionary enough ... no more learning vendor specific languages 2008/10/22 Paul Cowan <dagda1@...>...
Casey Charlton
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Oct 22, 2008
8:45 pm

Quite, plus for developers, Visual Studio beats the hell out of Adobe's dev tools. I had to work on some ActionScript wth my designer a couple of weeks ago...
Steven Smith
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Oct 22, 2008
8:56 pm

Ha? What do you call C#?...
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 22, 2008
9:49 pm

ROTFL !!!...
Gianluca Gravina
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Oct 22, 2008
9:52 pm

I was sort of thinking of Ruby / Python / etc .... but OK ... you got me on C# :) 2008/10/22 Ayende Rahien <Ayende@...>...
Casey Charlton
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Oct 22, 2008
9:56 pm

You're not alone. There seems to be great interest in Silverlight from the "traditional" developer market, where windows applications have been their mainstay....
James Gregory
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Oct 22, 2008
8:47 pm

There is a side issue of whether or not WinForms developers will/should learn WPF (I think we will have to). If you assume that learning WPF will be mandatory,...
Chris Brandsma
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Oct 23, 2008
3:15 am

As a previous post said, it appears to be an attempt to get windows forms on the web.Web forms was a similar attempt which has now seen its day. Silverlight...
Paul Cowan
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Oct 23, 2008
6:56 am

I'm quite sure that Silverlight is not here to fight with Flash, to tell the truth silverlight video streaming isn't bad at all. I'm sure SL come to life only...
Gianluca Gravina
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Oct 23, 2008
7:06 am

You are not being fair to Silverlight. What its not: Windows forms on the web XAML is very expressive and absolutely wonderful to vreate usr interfaces with. I...
Heinrich Breedt
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Oct 23, 2008
7:11 am

... "As a c# developer" Everything in visual studio and everything in C#. Need I say more.This is were we as .NET developers have very narrow blinkers. I also...
Paul Cowan
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Oct 23, 2008
7:17 am

... Not a whole lot. There are differences in APIs of course, but I don't think there is anything you can achieve in one that you can't in the other. In fact...
Nathaniel Neitzke
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Oct 23, 2008
7:42 am

Look at this from Dojo http://dojotoolkit.org/demos/email-using-1-0Not a plugin on site.dagda1@... To: altdotnet@...:...
Paul Cowan
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Oct 23, 2008
7:46 am

Something that to me is critical for rich applications, does SL supports rich clipboard actions? That is, I can post a picture there? Or a file? That, for me,...
Ayende Rahien
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Oct 23, 2008
7:49 am

Also we have to go to great lengths to make this stuff searchable by somehow adding external metadata.dagda1@... To: altdotnet@...:...
Paul Cowan
dagda1970 Offline Send Email
Oct 23, 2008
7:51 am

AFAIK, it doesn't. Nor does it appear to support context menus. Perhaps silverlight apps sould be deployable like adobe air apps? Click-once failed for the...
Damian Hickey
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Oct 23, 2008
1:48 pm

Not to mention that if/when Silverlight has an offline story, it's an ideal way to distribute smart client apps. Click once apps never seemed to work as well...
Steven Smith
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Oct 23, 2008
1:49 pm

What I meant to say is: There is development outside M$ or am I on the wrong mailing list?http://dojotoolkit.org/offlinedagda1@... To:...
Paul Cowan
dagda1970 Offline Send Email
Oct 23, 2008
1:52 pm

If you are using terms like "M$" you probably are on the wrong list ... 2008/10/23 Paul Cowan <dagda1@...>...
Casey Charlton
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Oct 23, 2008
2:10 pm

I'm really glad you asked this question Paul and have found the discussion interesting, but I must agree with Casey regarding your usage of "M$"....
Paul Batum
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Oct 23, 2008
2:27 pm
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