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I had never heard of lean development before the recent altnet marathon
post.

I was quite shocked to hear people talking about car manufacturers.

I have done some research and really do not get it at all.

The following did make me laugh though:

http://the-software-simpleton.blogspot.com/2009/01/lean-mean-consulting-
machine.html

In all seriousness though, do people really do this as part of their
development process?

It seems deep in process.




Fri Jan 9, 2009 10:52 pm

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I had never heard of lean development before the recent altnet marathon post. I was quite shocked to hear people talking about car manufacturers. I have done...
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Read: http://stevesmithblog.com/blog/delaying-decisions/ as one (personal) example of how Lean principles can (easily) be applied to software development. Also...
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It's amusing. But the author seems to believe that Lean is some sort of analogy to manufacturing. Actually, even though it comes from manufacturing, its ideas...
Charlie Poole
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Jan 10, 2009
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... Is it because software development is not car manufacturing? The principles of lean are broadly applicable. They have been applied to other industries....
Scott Bellware
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I think it's high time that some other industries borrowed from us for a change - the aircraft industry could at least try test first development - i.e. they...
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I'm glad somebody found my post<posthttp://the-software-simpleton.blogspot.com/2009/01/lean-mean-consulting-machine.html>funny (apart from me). Thanks Marcus ...
Paul Cowan
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... I realize this is a joke, but actually, if you read the 2nd Poppendiecks book, the development of the Boeing 777 is one of the examples that is used of a...
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... Yes, the Poppendiecks tried to steal the idea of crash-first development (CFD) from me. A last minute court injunction stayed production of that chapter....
Ken Mccormack
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Jan 10, 2009
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I've done a bit more reading of lean and found this ...
Paul Cowan
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On the Japanese thing, we use the terms because they are a part of the vernacular of the domain. Is it so different than talking in terms of design pattern...
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... Agile added some new ideas, but it's really only an evolution of iterative methodologies, which were first documented by Barry Boehm in his *1981* book...
Ken Mccormack
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... It depends on whether Derek's implementation in his organization and within the operational behaviors and demands of his organization are benefited from...
Scott Bellware
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I guess I've been around too long. I learned about Lean as a kind of Agile, based on the Lean principles and without the Japanese words. I started to see them ...
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... mailing lists. ... approach is ... Charlie, I've found that lean has filled in some gaps in agile that I hadn't really recognized previously until I...
Scott Bellware
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Hello Scott, ... I agree that Lean brings a unique perspective to agile. But "agile" is a descriptive classification applied to a number of methodologies and...
Charlie Poole
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... Though I think you and Scott are really agreeing. It is always worth looking beyond the well-known methodologies like XP and Scrum to others like Crystal...
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Hi Ian, ... Yes, I think we basically agree - and I also agree with you. Limiting oneself to a single language or a single methodology are both choices to,...
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... I remain on the fence about it. I think that agile and lean are close cousins, and that it makes reasonable sense when they are presented at the same...
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... I should clarify that for all intents and purposes, I see agile for what the mainstream world mostly sees it as now colloquially: Scrum with an occasional...
Scott Bellware
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... Accepting your characterization of agile as "Scrum with an occasional smattering of XP" at face value, how would you describe the fundamental differences...
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... Lean recognizes several forms of waste. Countermeasures for these wastes shape most of lean principles and process. Those countermeasures are explicit...
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Scott, Agile is not and cannot by definition be limited to XP and Scrum. Agile Software Development is defined by the agile manifesto, whatever your view of...
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... The wild defines agile the way it wants to, regardless of what you and I know to be true. ... whatever your ... to make ... straw man. Don't hang this on...
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Scott, My experience with how agile is viewed is definitely not Scrum + XP. In fact I'd never come across that view of the world until you bought it up. That ...
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... In fact ... That ... experience ... experience ... Fair enough. I try to spend as much time as possible time with people who are new to it. In my...
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Hi Scott, ... I'd extend that definition... In the wild, what we tend to see called agile is a pretense at Scrum with a few XP terms thrown in for good...
Charlie Poole
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... I think there are some significantly different practices and ideas that are often shocking to mainstream agile. I think that a "versus" emerges from such...
Scott Bellware
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Hi Scott, ... I took "versus" as an attempt to show a conflict - not merely a difference. If what you're saying is "Lean is different from other agile...
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... Again, I'm speaking from a colloquial sense of agile, because I think that this is the one that matters in the field. Let's talk first about iterations,...
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