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Do you think that ten of us alt.netters getting together and forming a consultancy would:
 
1) Take the consultancy world by storm by producing massively better software than our competitors
 
2) Find ourselves producing comparable solutions to top end consultancies such as Thoughtworks
 
3) Find that we can't make a case to clients as to why we are so much better than everyone else
 
4) Spend all our time arguing over which design pattern is best for X problem ... and having intellectual debates over coffee for hours on end, never producing anything
 
Alternative suggestions also welcome ...
 
 


Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:21 pm

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Do you think that ten of us alt.netters getting together and forming a consultancy would: 1) Take the consultancy world by storm by producing massively better ...
Casey Charlton
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Mar 18, 2008
5:22 pm

3 and 4 are most likely, I'm afraid. but just the sheer grain of possibility that 1 (or 2) happen would totally be worth it. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:21 PM,...
Ben Scheirman
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Mar 18, 2008
5:30 pm

3 & 4 unfortunately. I have worked with ninja coders before, but with out a rock solid sales & marketing team it can be very frustrating. Irrespectively, i am...
Rhys Campbell
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Mar 18, 2008
5:31 pm

OK - so if we got a top notch Sales and Marketing team ... does it now make any difference how good the developers are? Is the consultancy game fundamentally...
Casey Charlton
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Mar 18, 2008
5:37 pm

... just like every other corporation in the world J -c From: altdotnet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:altdotnet@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Casey Charlton Sent:...
Chad Myers
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Mar 18, 2008
5:38 pm

The easiest sell would be identifying failing/failed projects and rescuing them. Also that would case the most stress. But it would be the best case for using...
Scott Reynolds
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Mar 18, 2008
5:44 pm

Scott, Have fun letting go of sanity. Targeting that area is profitable, probably. But it is also a really big PITA. Not just from the technology standpoint,...
Ayende Rahien
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Mar 18, 2008
6:33 pm

Oren, Dude I let go of sanity long ago. When we go to Seattle I'll regale you all with project tales that will give you nightmares. I didn't say it would be my...
Scott Reynolds
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Mar 18, 2008
7:12 pm

Okay, here is a topic for the conf: Worse project ever. We should do this as a competition. ... Okay, here is a topic for the conf: Worse project ever. We...
Ayende Rahien
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Mar 18, 2008
7:17 pm

Special bonus points for those of us who say "Current one". jdn ... regale you ... the biggest ... development, ... how you ... were ... that ... really have...
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Mar 18, 2008
7:22 pm

Current one ... I win! And the scary thing is it is totally greenfield ....! ... Current one ... I win! And the scary thing is it is totally greenfield ....! ...
Casey Charlton
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Mar 18, 2008
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Set aside an hour and I'll tell you all about my current project and it's problems. If you have 2 hours, I can tell you about working New Years Eve 1999. I...
Scott Koon
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Mar 19, 2008
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All projects were greenfield once... Hell, most .NET projects were greenfield just a few short years ago. (excluding the ports from ASP/VB6/whatever) Wait...
Dave Foley
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Mar 19, 2008
2:45 pm

My ideal would be a sort of franchisey development shop. Where independents can use the shop's name and reputation to easily have the weight/name and support...
John Morales
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Mar 20, 2008
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I think i'd rather see a contracting company done properly, with a couple of people, and enforcing for the client the notion they use the *company* and not the...
Sebastien Lambla
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Mar 22, 2008
10:29 am

Would be a nice idea.... don;t see it happening :)...
Casey Charlton
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Mar 22, 2008
10:44 am

A though one, and I say it only from the (low) top of my 10 year of experience. I've seen system with primary keys as mobile phone numbers, DTS processing and...
Cláudio Figueiredo
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Mar 18, 2008
7:24 pm

Don't know how it is in other countries, here in Brazil it's all about sales and marketing. I had my own startup till not so much time ago. It was mostly a...
Cláudio Figueiredo
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Mar 18, 2008
5:45 pm

My only fight against the sales and marketing thing is keep working the business on the side. We have been doing smaller and jobs on the side for the last year...
Rhys Campbell
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Mar 18, 2008
5:50 pm

I thing it's perfectly reasonable. Only won't work here. The government tax us with big bites wheter we produce or not, and small jobs (ocupying one person...
Cláudio Figueiredo
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Mar 18, 2008
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Not to mention that Brazil has an anti-business culture that still baffles me. But well, this is a topic for a different list ;) - sp On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at...
Sergio Pereira
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Mar 18, 2008
11:28 pm

5) Kill each other with those scissors. 6) End up in the Jerry Springer show 7) Get bought by Google ... -- ______________________________________ Sergio...
Sergio Pereira
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Mar 18, 2008
5:32 pm

... 8) Spend all of the time reading and writing blog entries and mails for all agile related discussion groups ;-) -Markus...
Markus Zywitza
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Mar 18, 2008
5:49 pm

9) Try it on a project, succeed, then teach others how at Code Camps and User Groups. Thus taking over from within. On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Markus...
Chris Brandsma
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Mar 18, 2008
6:02 pm

Well, that is marketing, no?...
Ayende Rahien
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Mar 18, 2008
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One is a question of scale, ten good people can be more productive than 100 mediocre ones. The problem is that they can't be more productive than 1000 mediocre...
Ayende Rahien
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Mar 18, 2008
5:44 pm

What a wonderful idea! I think 4 would be extremely likely unless everyone agreed to check their egos and give a single person the power to make final yes/no...
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Mar 18, 2008
6:52 pm

BTW: I nominate Chad, Jeremy, Scott H., or Oren. ... power ... certain ... death ... with a ... of ... itself ... their ... heard/respected. ... wouldn't ... ...
tarinbvii
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Mar 18, 2008
6:56 pm

Save it for Seattle. I love swapping horror stories. ... From: jdn3times <jdn3times@...> To: altdotnet@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008...
Jeremy D. Miller
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