I think the best and mot effective approach (as proven by recent developments) is for alt.net people to infiltrate an influence Microsoft directly ... with...
... I think we could be more active (and would be happy to be involved in that) but there is a big part of me that finds it hard to believe we're going to...
What do people at the normal .NET group talk about then? I can't really imagine someone enthusiastic enough to attend user group meetings would not already...
... At least in the UK, you'll find that most people in alt.net are actually presenting at user groups. I'll however assert some things that I already talked...
Hi Colin, ... Except for the ones I've spoken at myself, all the local .NET user group meetings have had speakers talking about some new Microsoft technology,...
Hi Kurt, ... I used to make that separation. Well, I still do, but without the implied value judgement. IMO, folks have a right to a life outside of the...
... I've met quite a few people, even recently, who were heavily involved in BCS and all the rest but they had no idea over any of things that I think make...
... Which in itself is a bit of a problem image wise, with the idea that ALT.NET is all about elitist consultants loving the sounds of their own voice being...
... I guess I'm wondering whether they are saying that though? ... You're probably right, but it doesn't seem like as a program it particularly hampers ALT.NET...
Hi Charlie, ... Yes, sorry for making it an either/or choice. It's really a gradient spectrum from one end to the other. ... Yes, and again I'm not suggesting...
the ruby guys have a website where good developers get awarded points for doing good work. sort of like stack overflow. as an independent programer, I want to...
Is that website similar to http://www.community-credit.com/ ? Reason i'm not on their is because i'm too lazy to assiocate points to everything I do - it...
Hi Colin, ... You're only the messenger, so I won't shoot you. :-) I've been on the receiving end of this a number of times myself. After spending 26 years as...
Hi Paul, I've worked as a consultant in the UK, generally in a training or agile kickstart role. I think the folks who chose to bring me in were generally ...
Hi Colin, ... I find some of this discussion a bit surprising. I never viewed MVP as anything but a marketing program - and I don't mean that as a negative. ...
Hi Cory, ... True. I presume that when you talk about ideals, you would see those ideals as eventually being boiled down to specific activities. Organizations...
Charlie, nothing wrong with being regarded as an elite programmer/consultant/speaker. We need elite people. Otherwise on whose shoulders are we supposed to...
altnetpedia.com just gives a "Server Application Unavailable" message. I guess the maintainers of that site are on this list so it might be useful to restart...
Well, it's a positive spin anyway... Charlie _____ From: altdotnet@yahoogroups.com [mailto:altdotnet@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Heinrich Breedt Sent:...
... Not sure why you found it surprising, I was just wondering who had the toxic impression of us and why. I wasn't seeking to comment on the MVP program, and...
Hi Colin, ... Actually, I was pretty much agreeing with you and commenting on the fact that you had to address the question at all. The fellow you were...
... Far be it for us to overcome the self-serving cynicism generating so much apathy and complacency in the industry where we work and stand a greater chance...
Hi Scott, ... What? ... The motivations of folks working in the community - which is totally NOT what I was writing about - is quite separate from the...
Charlie, ... Regardless of what the MVP award has become, it hasn't always been a marketing/promo tool. The MVP award program can be altruistic because it has...
Hi Scott, You wrote "Far be it for us to overcome the self-serving cynicism generating so much apathy and complacency in the industry where we work and stand a...
... Not trying to be confrontational, but I still see the perspective that says that Microsoft can't both create shareholder value through a more altruistic...
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