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Re: M51 and M101 Naked-Eye?

I found the article, "Sensitivity of the Eye to Spectral Radiation at
Scotopic and Mesopic Intensity Levels," (1955) by Jo Ann Smith Kinney
in my files. Kinney measured spectral sensitivity curves for five test
subjects under a range of mesopic ligthing conditions; from 1.9 to 3.4
log units above the threshold for scotopic vision. reports that the
peak sensitivity of her subjects under mesopic conditions (up to 3.5
log units above scotopic light levels) is nearly identical to their
peak sensitivity under scotopic conditions: 510 nm.

As conditions brightened, test subjects first demonstrated improved
sensitivity in longer wavelengths while still exhibiting a peak
sensitivity to light at 510 nm. At 3.4 log units above scotopic
threshold level, test subjects reported seeing colors such as "pale
blue" and "greenish." Four of the five subjects were between the ages
of 26 and 30. The fifth was a 60 year-old male. He demonstrated less
sensitivity to short wavelengths, which Kinney characterized as,
"consistent with the evidence on the increasing yellow pigmentation of
the lens of the lens of the eye with increasing age."

Bill in Flag

--- In amastro@yahoogroups.com, "Nils Olof Carlin"
<nilsolof.carlin@...> wrote:
>
> Bill in Flag wrote:
>
> >
> > Since naked eye observing is mesopic rather than scotopic, wouldn't
> > that tend to negate the need to determine scotopic mags...at least, in
> > the context of this discussion?
>
> As long as we consider averted vision (which we use under dark skies,
> particularly when trying to detect the faint objects of this
discussion -
> the Blackwell paper comes up with a breakpoint at some 19.2
magnitudes per
> square arcsecond), detection (if any) depends essentially only on
the light
> sensitivity of the rods, so scotopic magnitudes should come into it
(can
> mesopic magnitudes even be defined?).
>
> As for conversions from known standard measured magnitudes to
photopic or
> scotopic magnitudes, this website by Arne Henden might give good help:
>
> http://www.tass-survey.org/richmond/answers/eye.html
>
> Nils Olof
>





Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:23 am

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... Some caution: the equations on the above web page work OK for continuous spectrum sources, but do not work for emission line sources. The 3 significant...
Roger N. Clark
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Jun 25, 2008
2:51 pm

I found the article, "Sensitivity of the Eye to Spectral Radiation at Scotopic and Mesopic Intensity Levels," (1955) by Jo Ann Smith Kinney in my files. Kinney...
billferris2003
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Jun 27, 2008
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Give me strength. You can't draw ANY meaningful conclusions from this psychophysical study whose results are based on a sample of just *five* test subjects......
Peter Dean
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Jun 27, 2008
10:50 pm

Roger, ... This is certainly close enough for visual use in general, and the discussion was about faint galaxies with continuous spectrum. For emission line ...
Nils Olof Carlin
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Jun 25, 2008
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Nils wrote: "It seems Jack B Marling has computed "visual" magnitudes this way, and apparently Steven Hynes uses these in his book about planetary nebulae, but...
Barbara Wilson
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Jun 25, 2008
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I actually have the preprint that Brian and Jack did with all the equations as I later took that information and then from the SEGPN made the catalogue based...
Owen Brazell
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Jun 25, 2008
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... "a true visual magnitude" seems a bit vague, but "convolved with the scotopic response" is the precise answer I hoped for - thus, the estimates are for...
Nils Olof Carlin
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Jun 26, 2008
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... scotopic response" is the precise answer I hoped for - thus, the estimates are for scotopic vision indeed (a detail of enough importance to have warranted...
Sue French
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Jun 26, 2008
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... Assuming these are base-10 logs, log 3.4 = 8.5 stellar magnitudes. So the implication is that one remains pretty much in the scotopic mode all the time at...
Brian Skiff
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Jun 27, 2008
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Bob Erdmann let me know the site is fixed. I tried it with Foxfire and IE. Both worked fine. Clear skies, Sue...
Sue French
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Jun 29, 2008
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... The results were highly consistent, and basically confirmed with quite small scatter what was already known at least as regards spectral sensitivity. I've...
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