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Hi

I just started using Ambiloop, and I think it is great.

However, I am having trouble getting a gapless loop, ie when I "Set
Loop", either by mouse or midi, the repeat always has a gap at the
loop point, like a record skip.

Is there a way to get around this?  My computer is up to the task of
digital audio, and other audio loopers are working.  Unfortunately,
the do not have the feature set of Ambiloop.

I've searched this board but can't seem to find anyone else having
this problem.

Any help is appreciated, and thanks in advance.

Ok I hadn't noticed this before but if I set my latency as high as 800
(which is very high for my machine) I get this too, a gap at the end. I
suggest that you try to reduce your latency as low as your work in Ambi
(and your computer) will allow. You don't mention if you are working
'live', such as playing a guitar or such, but if your latency is that
high it won't be any fun. Try reducing the 'set latency' in 'options' by
20 per cent or so until it complains, then bring it up a bit to allow
for your needs :)
hth
chi


resres3 wrote:

>Hi
>
>I just started using Ambiloop, and I think it is great.
>
>However, I am having trouble getting a gapless loop, ie when I "Set
>Loop", either by mouse or midi, the repeat always has a gap at the
>loop point, like a record skip.
>
>Is there a way to get around this?  My computer is up to the task of
>digital audio, and other audio loopers are working.  Unfortunately,
>the do not have the feature set of Ambiloop.
>
>I've searched this board but can't seem to find anyone else having
>this problem.
>
>Any help is appreciated, and thanks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi

After some further research, it turns out it was operator error, but
I'm getting some clicks at the loop point.  I'll have to check it
out further, Ambiloop's operation finally sunk in.  :-)

However, whenever I have erased all the tracks, I would like the
loop time to go back to the default, instead of having to press
Multiply as a quick fix...is there a way to do this?

Thanks




> Ok I hadn't noticed this before but if I set my latency as high as
800
> (which is very high for my machine) I get this too, a gap at the
end. I
> suggest that you try to reduce your latency as low as your work in
Ambi
> (and your computer) will allow. You don't mention if you are
working
> 'live', such as playing a guitar or such, but if your latency is
that
> high it won't be any fun. Try reducing the 'set latency'
in 'options' by
> 20 per cent or so until it complains, then bring it up a bit to
allow
> for your needs :)
> hth
> chi
>
>
> resres3 wrote:
>
> >Hi
> >
> >I just started using Ambiloop, and I think it is great.
> >
> >However, I am having trouble getting a gapless loop, ie when
I "Set
> >Loop", either by mouse or midi, the repeat always has a gap at
the
> >loop point, like a record skip.
> >
> >Is there a way to get around this?  My computer is up to the task
of
> >digital audio, and other audio loopers are working.
Unfortunately,
> >the do not have the feature set of Ambiloop.
> >
> >I've searched this board but can't seem to find anyone else
having
> >this problem.
> >
> >Any help is appreciated, and thanks in advance.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Got a config file for the mcf2000?

I just found Ambiloop yesterday and I love it, it's a great live tool!

I have only one question, is it there a keyboard short-cut to change
the active channel? A next an previus short-cut?

And I have a suggestion regard to the VST discussion. Whay don't,
insted of making ambiloop a VST pluging to be imported in any "VST
Host" program, you make the Ambiloop it's self a VST host with the
ability to "rack mount" a few plugins to process the audio imput before
recording. Shus like the RT Player, or the SpinAudio FX Porcessor.
This funtion I think, will turn a pc in the "ultimate live tool" for
musicians, and I wouldn´t mind to pai a few bucks ( not to many :b )
for a tool like that.

Well i hope it's a usefull sugestion
Thanks U

Pepo

I tried to load .wav file sample and i get invalid data chunk any
suggestions to this newbie thanks

  Mark

Ok I down loaded thelooper software and thanks, when i load the .wav
file to the looper i get an error messege "invalid data chunk?" I have
the Korg triton Studio i have scsi adapter with drivers and all to link
to my lap top do i need to go that route? I did load some samples from
the site. Im in to oberheims big time and loaded ob8 saw wave and she
worked and yes i was amazed now i need to make a bit longer sounding. I
know thats where the loop part comes in lol, any help gang I would
sincerely appreciate, Im new to the sample world.

  Thanks
  Sincerely,
Mark

Hi all,
   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would love
some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound percussion and
prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I am
having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can get my
laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad with
crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or MME are my
choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
distorted and often won't play at all.

   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to sync
some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain things, 50ms
is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it is a
showstopper.

   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they start
to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
sync with the existing material on the second track during the overdub
(obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it is
played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material, but
out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation, but
I just want to make sure the details are here.

   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency and
it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it possible, with
the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close to
zero?

   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or sound card
that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for making
sharing such a great piece of software!!!

If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.

Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
soundcard.

You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver

http://www.asio4all.com/

or perhaps the KX driver

http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en

But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
something like that.

Best,

KS


--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
<douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
love
> some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
> performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
percussion and
> prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
am
> having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
get my
> laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
with
> crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
MME are my
> choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
> distorted and often won't play at all.
>
>   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
sync
> some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
things, 50ms
> is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
is a
> showstopper.
>
>   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
> time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
start
> to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
> playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
> sync with the existing material on the second track during the
overdub
> (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
is
> played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
but
> out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
but
> I just want to make sure the details are here.
>
>   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
and
> it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
possible, with
> the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
to
> zero?
>
>   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
sound card
> that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
making
> sharing such a great piece of software!!!

If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.

Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
soundcard.

You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver

http://www.asio4all.com/

or perhaps the KX driver

http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en

But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
something like that.

Best,

KS


--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
<douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
love
> some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
> performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
percussion and
> prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
am
> having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
get my
> laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
with
> crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
MME are my
> choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
> distorted and often won't play at all.
>
>   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
sync
> some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
things, 50ms
> is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
is a
> showstopper.
>
>   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
> time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
start
> to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
> playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
> sync with the existing material on the second track during the
overdub
> (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
is
> played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
but
> out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
but
> I just want to make sure the details are here.
>
>   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
and
> it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
possible, with
> the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
to
> zero?
>
>   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
sound card
> that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
making
> sharing such a great piece of software!!!

If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.

Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
soundcard.

You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver

http://www.asio4all.com/

or perhaps the KX driver

http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en

But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
something like that.

Best,

KS


--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
<douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
love
> some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
> performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
percussion and
> prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
am
> having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
get my
> laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
with
> crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
MME are my
> choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
> distorted and often won't play at all.
>
>   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
sync
> some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
things, 50ms
> is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
is a
> showstopper.
>
>   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
> time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
start
> to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
> playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
> sync with the existing material on the second track during the
overdub
> (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
is
> played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
but
> out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
but
> I just want to make sure the details are here.
>
>   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
and
> it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
possible, with
> the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
to
> zero?
>
>   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
sound card
> that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
making
> sharing such a great piece of software!!!

The Kx drivers only work with the Emu K(x)-based soundcards, either
Soundblaster live series (NOT 'soundblaster compatible' that's pre Emu
stuff) or Emu's APS cards or Audigy/Audigy2. None of which I believe are
available for external use- although somone creating a cheap PCI adapter
box for external use might sell a few !
I'd try asio4all first.
hth
chi



kingsinger2001 wrote:

>If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
>asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.
>
>Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
>able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
>latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
>soundcard.
>
>You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver
>
>http://www.asio4all.com/
>
>or perhaps the KX driver
>
>http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en
>
>But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
>your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
>something like that.
>
>Best,
>
>KS
>
>
>--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
><douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>  I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
>>
>>
>love
>
>
>>some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
>>performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
>>
>>
>percussion and
>
>
>>prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
>>
>>
>am
>
>
>>having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
>>
>>
>get my
>
>
>>laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
>>
>>
>with
>
>
>>crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
>>
>>
>MME are my
>
>
>>choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
>>distorted and often won't play at all.
>>
>>  The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
>>
>>
>sync
>
>
>>some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
>>
>>
>things, 50ms
>
>
>>is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
>>
>>
>is a
>
>
>>showstopper.
>>
>>  If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
>>time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
>>
>>
>start
>
>
>>to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
>>playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
>>sync with the existing material on the second track during the
>>
>>
>overdub
>
>
>>(obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
>>
>>
>is
>
>
>>played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
>>
>>
>but
>
>
>>out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
>>
>>
>but
>
>
>>I just want to make sure the details are here.
>>
>>  I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
>>
>>
>and
>
>
>>it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
>>
>>
>possible, with
>
>
>>the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>zero?
>>
>>  Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
>>
>>
>sound card
>
>
>>that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
>>
>>
>making
>
>
>>sharing such a great piece of software!!!
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

There's an external usb audigy card. Not sure what chipset it
uses. But for that price you could probably get the Transit or
some other lower level USB card by M-Audio (mobile pre).

If you have at least Win98se, I'd also repeat the suggestion that
you look at the WDM driver. The other reality is that even if you
have a lower latency sound card, you still may have a hard time
acheiving lower latency if you machine is slow.

JL

--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, chi allen
<patchwork.mail@v...> wrote:
> The Kx drivers only work with the Emu K(x)-based soundcards,
either
> Soundblaster live series (NOT 'soundblaster compatible' that's
pre Emu
> stuff) or Emu's APS cards or Audigy/Audigy2. None of which I
believe are
> available for external use- although somone creating a cheap
PCI adapter
> box for external use might sell a few !
> I'd try asio4all first.
> hth
> chi
>
>
>
> kingsinger2001 wrote:
>
> >If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its
an
> >asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.
> >
> >Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might
be
> >able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do
lower
> >latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
> >soundcard.
> >
> >You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver
> >
> >http://www.asio4all.com/
> >
> >or perhaps the KX driver
> >
> >http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en
> >
> >But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card
of
> >your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
> >something like that.
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >KS
> >
> >
> >--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
> ><douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi all,
> >>  I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
> >>
> >>
> >love
> >
> >
> >>some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
> >>performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
> >>
> >>
> >percussion and
> >
> >
> >>prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record,
but I
> >>
> >>
> >am
> >
> >
> >>having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I
can
> >>
> >>
> >get my
> >
> >
> >>laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
> >>
> >>
> >with
> >
> >
> >>crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
> >>
> >>
> >MME are my
> >
> >
> >>choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is
completely
> >>distorted and often won't play at all.
> >>
> >>  The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me
to
> >>
> >>
> >sync
> >
> >
> >>some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
> >>
> >>
> >things, 50ms
> >
> >
> >>is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic
parts, it
> >>
> >>
> >is a
> >
> >
> >>showstopper.
> >>
> >>  If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts
in
> >>time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
> >>
> >>
> >start
> >
> >
> >>to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track
by
> >>playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
> >>sync with the existing material on the second track during
the
> >>
> >>
> >overdub
> >
> >
> >>(obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when
it
> >>
> >>
> >is
> >
> >
> >>played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2
material,
> >>
> >>
> >but
> >
> >
> >>out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing
explanation,
> >>
> >>
> >but
> >
> >
> >>I just want to make sure the details are here.
> >>
> >>  I have read through many of the posts here relating to
latency
> >>
> >>
> >and
> >
> >
> >>it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
> >>
> >>
> >possible, with
> >
> >
> >>the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting
close
> >>
> >>
> >to
> >
> >
> >>zero?
> >>
> >>  Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
> >>
> >>
> >sound card
> >
> >
> >>that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you
for
> >>
> >>
> >making
> >
> >
> >>sharing such a great piece of software!!!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

It's rather clunky interface-- but you can't beat the price. It's got 24/96 in
and
out. Check out the soundblaster USB live 24.

http://www.soundblaster.com/products/product.asp?category=1&subcategory=206&prod\
uct=10702

$44 on NewEgg


Quoting ambiloop@yahoogroups.com:


  There are 6 messages in this issue.

  Topics in this digest:

        1. Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop
             From: "douglasdoright" <douglasdoright@...>
        2. Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop
             From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
        3. Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop
             From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
        4. Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop
             From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
        5. Re: Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop
             From: chi allen <patchwork.mail@...>
        6. Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop
             From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>


  ________________________________________________________________________
  ________________________________________________________________________

  Message: 1
     Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:55:55 -0000
     From: "douglasdoright" <douglasdoright@...>
  Subject: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop

  Hi all,
    I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would love
  some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
  performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound percussion and
  prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I am
  having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can get my
  laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad with
  crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or MME are my
  choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
  distorted and often won't play at all.

    The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to sync
  some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain things, 50ms
  is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it is a
  showstopper.

    If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
  time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they start
  to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
  playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
  sync with the existing material on the second track during the overdub
  (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it is
  played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material, but
  out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation, but
  I just want to make sure the details are here.

    I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency and
  it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it possible, with
  the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close to
  zero?

    Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or sound card
  that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for making
  sharing such a great piece of software!!!




  ________________________________________________________________________
  ________________________________________________________________________

  Message: 2
     Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:32:08 -0000
     From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
  Subject: Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop

  If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
  asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.

  Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
  able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
  latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
  soundcard.

  You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver

  http://www.asio4all.com/

  or perhaps the KX driver

  http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en

  But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
  your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
  something like that.

  Best,

  KS


  --- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
  <douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
  > Hi all,
  >   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
  love
  > some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
  > performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
  percussion and
  > prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
  am
  > having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
  get my
  > laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
  with
  > crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
  MME are my
  > choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
  > distorted and often won't play at all.
  >
  >   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
  sync
  > some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
  things, 50ms
  > is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
  is a
  > showstopper.
  >
  >   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
  > time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
  start
  > to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
  > playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
  > sync with the existing material on the second track during the
  overdub
  > (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
  is
  > played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
  but
  > out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
  but
  > I just want to make sure the details are here.
  >
  >   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
  and
  > it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
  possible, with
  > the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
  to
  > zero?
  >
  >   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
  sound card
  > that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
  making
  > sharing such a great piece of software!!!




  ________________________________________________________________________
  ________________________________________________________________________

  Message: 3
     Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:32:22 -0000
     From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
  Subject: Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop

  If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
  asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.

  Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
  able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
  latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
  soundcard.

  You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver

  http://www.asio4all.com/

  or perhaps the KX driver

  http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en

  But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
  your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
  something like that.

  Best,

  KS


  --- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
  <douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
  > Hi all,
  >   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
  love
  > some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
  > performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
  percussion and
  > prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
  am
  > having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
  get my
  > laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
  with
  > crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
  MME are my
  > choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
  > distorted and often won't play at all.
  >
  >   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
  sync
  > some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
  things, 50ms
  > is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
  is a
  > showstopper.
  >
  >   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
  > time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
  start
  > to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
  > playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
  > sync with the existing material on the second track during the
  overdub
  > (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
  is
  > played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
  but
  > out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
  but
  > I just want to make sure the details are here.
  >
  >   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
  and
  > it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
  possible, with
  > the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
  to
  > zero?
  >
  >   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
  sound card
  > that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
  making
  > sharing such a great piece of software!!!




  ________________________________________________________________________
  ________________________________________________________________________

  Message: 4
     Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:32:33 -0000
     From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
  Subject: Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop

  If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
  asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.

  Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
  able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
  latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
  soundcard.

  You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver

  http://www.asio4all.com/

  or perhaps the KX driver

  http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en

  But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
  your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
  something like that.

  Best,

  KS


  --- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
  <douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
  > Hi all,
  >   I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
  love
  > some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
  > performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
  percussion and
  > prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
  am
  > having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
  get my
  > laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
  with
  > crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
  MME are my
  > choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
  > distorted and often won't play at all.
  >
  >   The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
  sync
  > some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
  things, 50ms
  > is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
  is a
  > showstopper.
  >
  >   If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
  > time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
  start
  > to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
  > playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
  > sync with the existing material on the second track during the
  overdub
  > (obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
  is
  > played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
  but
  > out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
  but
  > I just want to make sure the details are here.
  >
  >   I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
  and
  > it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
  possible, with
  > the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
  to
  > zero?
  >
  >   Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
  sound card
  > that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
  making
  > sharing such a great piece of software!!!




  ________________________________________________________________________
  ________________________________________________________________________

  Message: 5
     Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:45:27 +0100
     From: chi allen <patchwork.mail@...>
  Subject: Re: Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop

  The Kx drivers only work with the Emu K(x)-based soundcards, either
  Soundblaster live series (NOT 'soundblaster compatible' that's pre Emu
  stuff) or Emu's APS cards or Audigy/Audigy2. None of which I believe are
  available for external use- although somone creating a cheap PCI adapter
  box for external use might sell a few !
  I'd try asio4all first.
  hth
  chi



  kingsinger2001 wrote:

  >If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its an
  >asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.
  >
  >Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might be
  >able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do lower
  >latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
  >soundcard.
  >
  >You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver
  >
  >http://www.asio4all.com/
  >
  >or perhaps the KX driver
  >
  >http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en
  >
  >But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card of
  >your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
  >something like that.
  >
  >Best,
  >
  >KS
  >
  >
  >--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
  ><douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
  >
  >
  >>Hi all,
  >>  I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
  >>
  >>
  >love
  >
  >
  >>some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
  >>performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
  >>
  >>
  >percussion and
  >
  >
  >>prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record, but I
  >>
  >>
  >am
  >
  >
  >>having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I can
  >>
  >>
  >get my
  >
  >
  >>laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
  >>
  >>
  >with
  >
  >
  >>crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
  >>
  >>
  >MME are my
  >
  >
  >>choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is completely
  >>distorted and often won't play at all.
  >>
  >>  The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me to
  >>
  >>
  >sync
  >
  >
  >>some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
  >>
  >>
  >things, 50ms
  >
  >
  >>is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic parts, it
  >>
  >>
  >is a
  >
  >
  >>showstopper.
  >>
  >>  If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts in
  >>time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
  >>
  >>
  >start
  >
  >
  >>to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track by
  >>playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
  >>sync with the existing material on the second track during the
  >>
  >>
  >overdub
  >
  >
  >>(obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when it
  >>
  >>
  >is
  >
  >
  >>played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2 material,
  >>
  >>
  >but
  >
  >
  >>out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing explanation,
  >>
  >>
  >but
  >
  >
  >>I just want to make sure the details are here.
  >>
  >>  I have read through many of the posts here relating to latency
  >>
  >>
  >and
  >
  >
  >>it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
  >>
  >>
  >possible, with
  >
  >
  >>the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting close
  >>
  >>
  >to
  >
  >
  >>zero?
  >>
  >>  Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
  >>
  >>
  >sound card
  >
  >
  >>that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you for
  >>
  >>
  >making
  >
  >
  >>sharing such a great piece of software!!!
  >>
  >>
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >



  ________________________________________________________________________
  ________________________________________________________________________

  Message: 6
     Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:23:57 -0000
     From: "kingsinger2001" <bb802@...>
  Subject: Re: Affordable Low latency audio for PC Laptop

  There's an external usb audigy card. Not sure what chipset it
  uses. But for that price you could probably get the Transit or
  some other lower level USB card by M-Audio (mobile pre).

  If you have at least Win98se, I'd also repeat the suggestion that
  you look at the WDM driver. The other reality is that even if you
  have a lower latency sound card, you still may have a hard time
  acheiving lower latency if you machine is slow.

  JL

  --- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, chi allen
  <patchwork.mail@v...> wrote:
  > The Kx drivers only work with the Emu K(x)-based soundcards,
  either
  > Soundblaster live series (NOT 'soundblaster compatible' that's
  pre Emu
  > stuff) or Emu's APS cards or Audigy/Audigy2. None of which I
  believe are
  > available for external use- although somone creating a cheap
  PCI adapter
  > box for external use might sell a few !
  > I'd try asio4all first.
  > hth
  > chi
  >
  >
  >
  > kingsinger2001 wrote:
  >
  > >If you have a usb port you could look at the m-audio transit, its
  an
  > >asio card capable of lower latency and runs around $75.
  > >
  > >Also, what OS are you running? If it's 98se or above you might
  be
  > >able to install the WDM drivers, which theorectically can do
  lower
  > >latency and might allow you to get by with your existing
  > >soundcard.
  > >
  > >You might also see if you can install the universal asio driver
  > >
  > >http://www.asio4all.com/
  > >
  > >or perhaps the KX driver
  > >
  > >http://kxproject.lugosoft.com/faq.php?language=en
  > >
  > >But I suspect these may not work with the internal sound card
  of
  > >your lap top, unless it emulates a soundblaster live card or
  > >something like that.
  > >
  > >Best,
  > >
  > >KS
  > >
  > >
  > >--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
  > ><douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
  > >
  > >
  > >>Hi all,
  > >>  I'll start by saying I am not a digital audio expert and would
  > >>
  > >>
  > >love
  > >
  > >
  > >>some advice.  I am putting together a live looping setup for
  > >>performance with akai EWI, saxophone, found sound
  > >>
  > >>
  > >percussion and
  > >
  > >
  > >>prepared loops. I have a demo just about ready to record,
  but I
  > >>
  > >>
  > >am
  > >
  > >
  > >>having some problems with latency.  The lowest latency I
  can
  > >>
  > >>
  > >get my
  > >
  > >
  > >>laptop to go in the ambiloop settings is 50ms (IBM Thinkpad
  > >>
  > >>
  > >with
  > >
  > >
  > >>crappy default internal soundcard - Windows DirectSound or
  > >>
  > >>
  > >MME are my
  > >
  > >
  > >>choices).  If I set the latency any lower, the audio is
  completely
  > >>distorted and often won't play at all.
  > >>
  > >>  The problem is that the latency makes it impossible for me
  to
  > >>
  > >>
  > >sync
  > >
  > >
  > >>some of my more rhythmically intricate parts. For certain
  > >>
  > >>
  > >things, 50ms
  > >
  > >
  > >>is not bad, but at a decent tempo with precise rhythmic
  parts, it
  > >>
  > >>
  > >is a
  > >
  > >
  > >>showstopper.
  > >>
  > >>  If I record a track and then switch tracks and play new parts
  in
  > >>time to the first track, the 2 tracks are out of sync when they
  > >>
  > >>
  > >start
  > >
  > >
  > >>to play back.  If I then play a new overdub to the second track
  by
  > >>playing in time to the material on the original track, it is out of
  > >>sync with the existing material on the second track during
  the
  > >>
  > >>
  > >overdub
  > >
  > >
  > >>(obviously, since track 1 and 2 are not lined up).  Then when
  it
  > >>
  > >>
  > >is
  > >
  > >
  > >>played back, it is now in sync with the existing track 2
  material,
  > >>
  > >>
  > >but
  > >
  > >
  > >>out of sync with track one.  Sorry for the confusing
  explanation,
  > >>
  > >>
  > >but
  > >
  > >
  > >>I just want to make sure the details are here.
  > >>
  > >>  I have read through many of the posts here relating to
  latency
  > >>
  > >>
  > >and
  > >
  > >
  > >>it seems like my problem might be my sound card.  Is it
  > >>
  > >>
  > >possible, with
  > >
  > >
  > >>the right sound card, to get the amibiloop latency setting
  close
  > >>
  > >>
  > >to
  > >
  > >
  > >>zero?
  > >>
  > >>  Can anyone advise me on an affordable USB interface or
  > >>
  > >>
  > >sound card
  > >
  > >
  > >>that can acheive this?  Thank you very much, and thank you
  for
  > >>
  > >>
  > >making
  > >
  > >
  > >>sharing such a great piece of software!!!
  > >>
  > >>
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >Yahoo! Groups Links
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >




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--
Chris Moriarty
http://people.umass.edu/moriartc/

The two most effective starts are to install ASIO4All (free) and to find out
if your laptop has USB 1 or USB 2. If USB 1, get it upgraded to USB 2. The
performance will be much higher. Then you might not need much else than a
usb to audio plug cord. Actually, the ASIO4All driver might make your
situation good enough to get what you need from your mixer into and out the
stock audio ports of your laptop instead of the USB port.

I just had a look (silly of me not to check before) there are no Kx asio
drivers for any USB based Audigy cards like the NX. They want to develop
WDM drivers but they have no examples and it's kind of hard to work on
hardware you haven't got. Essentially these USB cards don't use the Emu
chips. Better to go for M-Audio etc. anyway I guess if the asio4all
doesn't work.
I just thought  I believe that asio4all doesn't work for thinkpads?
Those are some of the best deals here, the recon thinkpads.
cheers
chi

What about wdm for the thinkpad? No support? Or did you
already try that?

JL

--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, chi allen
<patchwork.mail@v...> wrote:
> I just had a look (silly of me not to check before) there are no Kx
asio
> drivers for any USB based Audigy cards like the NX. They want
to develop
> WDM drivers but they have no examples and it's kind of hard to
work on
> hardware you haven't got. Essentially these USB cards don't
use the Emu
> chips. Better to go for M-Audio etc. anyway I guess if the
asio4all
> doesn't work.
> I just thought  I believe that asio4all doesn't work for
thinkpads?
> Those are some of the best deals here, the recon thinkpads.
> cheers
> chi

There are Crystal WDM drivers, but no asio support as I can find. I need
that speed  ;)
I found an interesting CARD- try looking for Echo Indigo and tell me
what you think. Where I saw there was no addressing the Asio output to
MME or DX which is a bummer.
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/echoindigo.asp
In my PC I use KX software to address Asio with AC97 on my SBlive! and
then plug the whole output back into record- then record with anything
useful, like CoolEdit. Not a bad trick with a cruddy SBlive!  Whereas  I
can record in my VST gear, I can't  record off Ambi any other way other
than use the output of SBlive! to a recorder :P  Using Ambi got me to do
that workaround with the Kx software.
Just so you know :)
chi



kingsinger2001 wrote:

>What about wdm for the thinkpad? No support? Or did you
>already try that?
>
>JL
>
>

Thank you all for the various helpful suggestions!  I tried the
asio4all and it worked like a charm on my thinkpad immediately.
What a beautiful piece of software - just like ambiloop is ;-).

I have also ordered the m-audio transit usb audio interface because
I want better sound quality, but the latency thing was definitely
solved by asio4all - I have ambiloop latency at 4ms right now and
there is no crackling or distortion at all!

Thanks again all.  I'll let you know how the transit works out when
it arrives!


--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, chi allen <patchwork.mail@v...>
wrote:
> There are Crystal WDM drivers, but no asio support as I can find.
I need
> that speed  ;)
> I found an interesting CARD- try looking for Echo Indigo and tell
me
> what you think. Where I saw there was no addressing the Asio
output to
> MME or DX which is a bummer.
> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/echoindigo.asp
> In my PC I use KX software to address Asio with AC97 on my SBlive!
and
> then plug the whole output back into record- then record with
anything
> useful, like CoolEdit. Not a bad trick with a cruddy SBlive!
Whereas  I
> can record in my VST gear, I can't  record off Ambi any other way
other
> than use the output of SBlive! to a recorder :P  Using Ambi got me
to do
> that workaround with the Kx software.
> Just so you know :)
> chi
>
>
>
> kingsinger2001 wrote:
>
> >What about wdm for the thinkpad? No support? Or did you
> >already try that?
> >
> >JL
> >
> >

Please do. I'd be curious to know how it works.


--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, "douglasdoright"
<douglasdoright@y...> wrote:
> Thank you all for the various helpful suggestions!  I tried the
> asio4all and it worked like a charm on my thinkpad
immediately.
> What a beautiful piece of software - just like ambiloop is ;-).
>
> I have also ordered the m-audio transit usb audio interface
because
> I want better sound quality, but the latency thing was definitely
> solved by asio4all - I have ambiloop latency at 4ms right now
and
> there is no crackling or distortion at all!
>
> Thanks again all.  I'll let you know how the transit works out
when
> it arrives!
>
>
> --- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, chi allen
<patchwork.mail@v...>
> wrote:
> > There are Crystal WDM drivers, but no asio support as I can
find.
> I need
> > that speed  ;)
> > I found an interesting CARD- try looking for Echo Indigo and
tell
> me
> > what you think. Where I saw there was no addressing the
Asio
> output to
> > MME or DX which is a bummer.
> >
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/echoindigo.as
p
> > In my PC I use KX software to address Asio with AC97 on my
SBlive!
> and
> > then plug the whole output back into record- then record with
> anything
> > useful, like CoolEdit. Not a bad trick with a cruddy SBlive!
> Whereas  I
> > can record in my VST gear, I can't  record off Ambi any other
way
> other
> > than use the output of SBlive! to a recorder :P  Using Ambi
got me
> to do
> > that workaround with the Kx software.
> > Just so you know :)
> > chi
> >
> >
> >
> > kingsinger2001 wrote:
> >
> > >What about wdm for the thinkpad? No support? Or did you
> > >already try that?
> > >
> > >JL
> > >
> > >

Brilliant Douglas! Apologies if I mislead anyone, I had no idea there
was any IBM support. Can you tell me what Thinkpad it is please?
thanks
chi

douglasdoright wrote:

>Thank you all for the various helpful suggestions!  I tried the
>asio4all and it worked like a charm on my thinkpad immediately.
>What a beautiful piece of software - just like ambiloop is ;-).
>
>I have also ordered the m-audio transit usb audio interface because
>I want better sound quality, but the latency thing was definitely
>solved by asio4all - I have ambiloop latency at 4ms right now and
>there is no crackling or distortion at all!
>
>Thanks again all.  I'll let you know how the transit works out when
>it arrives!
>
>
>

We have a fast pc-based system for music playing and try to use it in
LIVE mode!
So using ASIO driver is our best way to do precise music phrases and
playing.

Many good audio cards supports up to 2 ASIO channels (expect ASIO4all
driver where no special card required) so i upload some pictures to
see.
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/3asio.JPG

Describe problem:
Ambiloop give ability to choose ASIO driver but by Default its choose
a 1st ASIO channel (on M-audio card-analog in stereo) but i need to
work with my Digital SPDIF In (2nd ASIO channel) - those can be
switched easy in samplitude,for example (see pic).
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/3asio.JPG

On M-audio and others control panels there is no ability to select
ASIO channel for record

(see pic - only OUTPUT controls!
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/noincintrol.JPG)

cause those ASIO channels work simultaneously and in ASIO interface no
need to change those order!
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/asio.JPG




In windows Direct sound all OK but GREAT delay - thats corrupt any
LIVE sessions!
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/asio2.JPG

One more problem - (see pic for LATENCY) - in M-audio control panel
possible to choose  1 ms of delay but in Ambiloop (in ASIO modes too)
minimum value is 10 ms (!!).
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/maudio.JPG
http://xs42.xs.to/pics/05333/latncy.JPG

On 3GGz system with M-audio card no scratches and noise on 1ms !

Hi all,

It's finally available my new double CD "Mellow Stasis". See all
details and MP3 clips on my web site:
http://solyaris.altervista.org/mellowstasis.htm

My previous debut CD "Western Detunes" (
http://solyaris.altervista.org/westerndetunes.htm ) have been
positively commented by many friends in this forum and some great
pedal steel artists, among others: Susan Alcorn, Bruce Kaphan,
Debasish Bhattacharya, and by many ambient artists like Jeff Pearce,
Robert Rich, Matias Grassow, Vidna Obmana, Lisa Moskow, etc.

In comparison with "Western Detunes", Mellow Stasis is a
more "mature" (I guess) and "complex" orchestral work (technically),
here I used a more compositive "choral" approach, but please note
that the only instruments used are a 6 string lap-steel guitar and a
6 string electric guitar, processed by delays and layerings. All is
performed, mixed down and mastered by myself.

About getting CDs, I give out my music with a no-profit policy,
consisting in paypal donations: I'm asking only the minimum costs
refound for CD burning and shipping (plus a possible donation add-on
I'll use for sending demos); see details here :
http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm I'll happy to share with
you any curiosity (please listen the free MP3 available on my site)
and I'll glad to have your comments/review.

sorry for this off-topic, but please note that I'm happy to state
that many of LOOPs in the double CD I realized ... have been made
with AMBILOOP!

Thank you for your attention
giorgio - Solyaris Music
http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm

I didn't see any credit given to AMBILOOP on your web
site-mj

--- giorgiorobino <giorgiorobino@...> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It's finally available my new double CD "Mellow
> Stasis". See all
> details and MP3 clips on my web site:
> http://solyaris.altervista.org/mellowstasis.htm
>
> My previous debut CD "Western Detunes" (
> http://solyaris.altervista.org/westerndetunes.htm )
> have been
> positively commented by many friends in this forum
> and some great
> pedal steel artists, among others: Susan Alcorn,
> Bruce Kaphan,
> Debasish Bhattacharya, and by many ambient artists
> like Jeff Pearce,
> Robert Rich, Matias Grassow, Vidna Obmana, Lisa
> Moskow, etc.
>
> In comparison with "Western Detunes", Mellow Stasis
> is a
> more "mature" (I guess) and "complex" orchestral
> work (technically),
> here I used a more compositive "choral" approach,
> but please note
> that the only instruments used are a 6 string
> lap-steel guitar and a
> 6 string electric guitar, processed by delays and
> layerings. All is
> performed, mixed down and mastered by myself.
>
> About getting CDs, I give out my music with a
> no-profit policy,
> consisting in paypal donations: I'm asking only the
> minimum costs
> refound for CD burning and shipping (plus a possible
> donation add-on
> I'll use for sending demos); see details here :
> http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm I'll
> happy to share with
> you any curiosity (please listen the free MP3
> available on my site)
> and I'll glad to have your comments/review.
>
> sorry for this off-topic, but please note that I'm
> happy to state
> that many of LOOPs in the double CD I realized ...
> have been made
> with AMBILOOP!
>
> Thank you for your attention
> giorgio - Solyaris Music
> http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm
>
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you have bad attention :)
see: http://solyaris.altervista.org/westerndetunes.htm Chris comment:

"Congratulations on the release of your new CD!  I like the sound.
I didn't realize until now that lap steel was often used by ambient
artists." Christopher McDonald – USA (creator of Ambiloop sw:
http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ), 20 April 2005

giorgio

--- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <proclaimation@y...>
wrote:
> I didn't see any credit given to AMBILOOP on your web
> site-mj
>
> --- giorgiorobino <giorgiorobino@H...> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It's finally available my new double CD "Mellow
> > Stasis". See all
> > details and MP3 clips on my web site:
> > http://solyaris.altervista.org/mellowstasis.htm
> >
> > My previous debut CD "Western Detunes" (
> > http://solyaris.altervista.org/westerndetunes.htm )
> > have been
> > positively commented by many friends in this forum
> > and some great
> > pedal steel artists, among others: Susan Alcorn,
> > Bruce Kaphan,
> > Debasish Bhattacharya, and by many ambient artists
> > like Jeff Pearce,
> > Robert Rich, Matias Grassow, Vidna Obmana, Lisa
> > Moskow, etc.
> >
> > In comparison with "Western Detunes", Mellow Stasis
> > is a
> > more "mature" (I guess) and "complex" orchestral
> > work (technically),
> > here I used a more compositive "choral" approach,
> > but please note
> > that the only instruments used are a 6 string
> > lap-steel guitar and a
> > 6 string electric guitar, processed by delays and
> > layerings. All is
> > performed, mixed down and mastered by myself.
> >
> > About getting CDs, I give out my music with a
> > no-profit policy,
> > consisting in paypal donations: I'm asking only the
> > minimum costs
> > refound for CD burning and shipping (plus a possible
> > donation add-on
> > I'll use for sending demos); see details here :
> > http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm I'll
> > happy to share with
> > you any curiosity (please listen the free MP3
> > available on my site)
> > and I'll glad to have your comments/review.
> >
> > sorry for this off-topic, but please note that I'm
> > happy to state
> > that many of LOOPs in the double CD I realized ...
> > have been made
> > with AMBILOOP!
> >
> > Thank you for your attention
> > giorgio - Solyaris Music
> > http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm
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I was talking about your new CD, not your old one.-mj

--- giorgiorobino <giorgiorobino@...> wrote:

> you have bad attention :)
> see:
> http://solyaris.altervista.org/westerndetunes.htm
> Chris comment:
>
> "Congratulations on the release of your new CD!  I
> like the sound.
> I didn't realize until now that lap steel was often
> used by ambient
> artists." Christopher McDonald – USA (creator of
> Ambiloop sw:
> http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ ), 20 April 2005
>
> giorgio
>
> --- In ambiloop@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson
> <proclaimation@y...>
> wrote:
> > I didn't see any credit given to AMBILOOP on your
> web
> > site-mj
> >
> > --- giorgiorobino <giorgiorobino@H...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It's finally available my new double CD "Mellow
> > > Stasis". See all
> > > details and MP3 clips on my web site:
> > > http://solyaris.altervista.org/mellowstasis.htm
>
> > >
> > > My previous debut CD "Western Detunes" (
> > >
> http://solyaris.altervista.org/westerndetunes.htm )
> > > have been
> > > positively commented by many friends in this
> forum
> > > and some great
> > > pedal steel artists, among others: Susan Alcorn,
> > > Bruce Kaphan,
> > > Debasish Bhattacharya, and by many ambient
> artists
> > > like Jeff Pearce,
> > > Robert Rich, Matias Grassow, Vidna Obmana, Lisa
> > > Moskow, etc.
> > >
> > > In comparison with "Western Detunes", Mellow
> Stasis
> > > is a
> > > more "mature" (I guess) and "complex" orchestral
> > > work (technically),
> > > here I used a more compositive "choral"
> approach,
> > > but please note
> > > that the only instruments used are a 6 string
> > > lap-steel guitar and a
> > > 6 string electric guitar, processed by delays
> and
> > > layerings. All is
> > > performed, mixed down and mastered by myself.
> > >
> > > About getting CDs, I give out my music with a
> > > no-profit policy,
> > > consisting in paypal donations: I'm asking only
> the
> > > minimum costs
> > > refound for CD burning and shipping (plus a
> possible
> > > donation add-on
> > > I'll use for sending demos); see details here :
> > > http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm I'll
> > > happy to share with
> > > you any curiosity (please listen the free MP3
> > > available on my site)
> > > and I'll glad to have your comments/review.
> > >
> > > sorry for this off-topic, but please note that
> I'm
> > > happy to state
> > > that many of LOOPs in the double CD I realized
> ...
> > > have been made
> > > with AMBILOOP!
> > >
> > > Thank you for your attention
> > > giorgio - Solyaris Music
> > > http://solyaris.altervista.org/contact.htm
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You're right-its no big deal. However, I thought it
would be a nice to have it there. How hard is it to
add the credit into the html? The samples I heard were
very good. This is not to cut down the artist.-mj

--- HDibrell@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 9/17/2005 5:17:01 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> proclaimation@... writes:
>
> I didn't  see any credit given to AMBILOOP on  your
> website.
>
>
>
> You'll also notice there are no credits given about
> any gear or software on
> the website. What's the big deal. This is a release
> from an artist on the list
>  that actually uses ambiloop. I rest your case. ;  )
>         Harry  D
>





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