Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  The Short Month

Op/Ed: War of Words

Other news:  Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age (buy extra
blankets)

Events:

*Please send event schedules for your organizations and I will publish them.

Last week's show:   One Year Anniversary Show

Site of the week   http://www.sciencedaily.com/search/?keyword=archeology



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This Week's Show:  The Short Month


How February got robbed! The Gregorian calendar is but the latest version of
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Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

a.. Iran's Kelar mound dated to 4000 BCE - 3 days agoOxford scientists have
determined the exact date of Iran's northern site of Kelar Mound by studying
ancient coal and bone samples. Although many archeologists believed that the
area was not...
a.. Possible turbine site includes burial grounds in Florida - 3 days
agoRecent archaeological surveys show prehistoric Indians in Florida (USA)
made their homes and buried their dead along the banks of Blind Creek, an
area that has drawn controversy as a...
a.. Orkney islanders asked to help heritage - 3 days agoOrkney islanders
(Scotland) have been invited to assist the draft of a new management plan
for the Heart of Neolithic Orkney World Heritage Site (WHS). The aim is to
maximise...
a.. Mysterious pyramid complex discovered in Peru - 3 days agoThe remnants
of at least ten pyramids have been discovered on the coast of Peru, marking
what could be a vast ceremonial site of an ancient, little-known culture,
archaeologists say....
a.. Ancient Scottish burials reveal links with the Netherlands - 3 days ago

Vikings did not dress the way we thought (thanks Judi, this blew my whole
image of rough n tuff)


A Lead on the Ark of the Covenant

Archaeologist 'Strikes Gold' With Finds Of Ancient Nasca Iron Ore Mine In
Peru

Rare Egyptian "Warrior" Tomb Found

Maya Mask Splendor Enhanced With Sparkling Mica (I wonder how much of that
Mayan mica was mined from Cave In Rock, Illinois)
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Op/Ed: War of Words

What is the "Culture of America Today?" Britney Spears, iPods, DVD's,
plastic drinking straws, Biggest Loser?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other uses, see Culture (disambiguation).
Culture (from the Latin cultura stemming from colere, meaning "to
cultivate,") generally refers to patterns of human activity and the symbolic
structures that give such activities significance and importance. Different
definitions of "culture" reflect different theoretical bases for
understanding, or criteria for evaluating, human activity.

Culture is manifested in music, literature, lifestyle, painting and
sculpture, theater and film and similar things.[1] Although some people
identify culture in terms of consumption and consumer goods (as in high
culture, low culture, folk culture, or popular culture)[2], anthropologists
understand "culture" to refer not only to consumption goods, but to the
general processes which produce such goods and give them meaning, and to the
social relationships and practices in which such objects and processes
become embedded. For them, culture thus includes art, science, as well as
moral systems.

Cultural Anthropologists most commonly use the term "culture" to refer to
the universal human capacity and activities to classify, codify and
communicate their experiences symbolically. This capacity has long been
taken as a defining feature of humans. (although some primatologists have
identified aspects of culture among humankind's closest relatives in the
animal kingdom.[3])

Defining "culture"
Culture can be defined as all the behaviors, ways of life, arts, beliefs and
institutions of a population that are passed down from generation to
generation. Culture has been called "the way of life for an entire society."
As such, it includes codes of manners, dress, language, religion, rituals,
norms of behavior such as law and morality, and systems of belief as well as
the arts and gastronomy. [4]. Although, I think "law" better fits under the
term "civilization".

Various definitions of culture reflect differing theories for understanding,
or criteria for evaluating, human activity. Edward Burnett Tylor writing
from the perspective of social anthropology in the UK in 1971 described
culture in the following way: "Culture or civilization, taken in its wide
ethnographic sense, is that complex whole which includes knowledge, belief,
art, morals, law, custom, and any other capabilities and habits acquired by
man as a member of society."[5]

More recently, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural
Organization (Unesco) (2002) described culture as follows: "... culture
should be regarded as the set of distinctive spiritual, material,
intellectual and emotional features of society or a social group, and that
it encompasses, in addition to art and literature, lifestyles, ways of
living together, value systems, traditions and beliefs".[6]

While these two definitions cover a range of meaning, they do not exhaust
the many uses of the term "culture." In 1952, Alfred Kroeber and Clyde
Kluckhohn compiled a list of 164 definitions of "culture" in Culture: A
Critical Review of Concepts and Definitions.[7]


Culture as civilization
Many people today have an idea of "culture" that developed in Europe during
the 18th and early 19th centuries. This notion of culture reflected
inequalities within European societies, and between European powers and
their colonies around the world. It identifies "culture" with "civilization"
and contrasts it with "nature." According to this way of thinking, one can
classify some countries and nations as more civilized than others, and some
people as more cultured than others. Some cultural theorists have thus tried
to eliminate popular or mass culture from the definition of culture.
Theorists such as Matthew Arnold (1822-1888) or the Leavisites regard
culture as simply the result of "the best that has been thought and said in
the world”[9] Arnold contrasted mass/popular culture with social chaos or
anarchy. On this account, culture links closely with social cultivation: the
progressive refinement of human behavior. Arnold consistently uses the word
this way: "... culture being a pursuit of our total perfection by means of
getting to know, on all the matters which most concern us, the best which
has been thought and said in the world".[9]



Culture as symbols
The symbolic view of culture, the legacy of Clifford Geertz (1973) and
Victor Turner (1967), holds symbols to be both the practices of social
actors and the context that gives such practices meaning. Anthony P. Cohen
(1985) writes of the "symbolic gloss" which allows social actors to use
common symbols to communicate and understand each other while still imbuing
these symbols with personal significance and meanings.[11] Symbols provide
the limits of cultured thought. Members of a culture rely on these symbols
to frame their thoughts and expressions in intelligible terms. In short,
symbols make culture possible, reproducible and readable. They are the "webs
of significance" in Weber's sense that, to quote Pierre Bourdieu (1977),
"give regularity, unity and systematics to the practices of a group."[12]

Cultures within a society
Large societies often have subcultures, or groups of people with distinct
sets of behavior and beliefs that differentiate them from a larger culture
of which they are a part. The subculture may be distinctive because of the
age of its members, or by their race, ethnicity, class or gender. The
qualities that determine a subculture as distinct may be aesthetic,
religious, occupational, political, sexual or a combination of these
factors.

In dealing with immigrant groups and their cultures, there are essentially
four approaches:

   a.. Monoculturalism: In some European states, culture is very closely
linked to nationalism, thus government policy is to assimilate immigrants,
although recent increases in migration have led many European states to
experiment with forms of multiculturalism.
   b.. Leitkultur (core culture): A model developed in Germany by Bassam
Tibi. The idea is that minorities can have an identity of their own, but
they should at least support the core concepts of the culture on which the
society is based.
   c.. Melting Pot: In the United States, the traditional view has been one
of a melting pot where all the immigrant cultures are mixed and amalgamated
without state intervention.
   d.. Multiculturalism: A policy that immigrants and others should preserve
their cultures with the different cultures interacting peacefully within one
nation.
The way nation states treat immigrant cultures rarely falls neatly into one
or another of the above approaches. The degree of difference with the host
culture (i.e., "foreignness"), the number of immigrants, attitudes of the
resident population, the type of government policies that are enacted and
the effectiveness of those policies all make it difficult to generalize
about the effects. Similarly with other subcultures within a society,
attitudes of the mainstream population and communications between various
cultural groups play a major role in determining outcomes. The study of
cultures within a society is complex and research must take into account a
myriad of variables.

Enough Info! Now the opinion!

We need to stop using the wrong words to describe things. We should not use
the word "culture" to describe a population, a time frame,  a geographical
region, an economy, a technology (e.g., "Clovis"),  a use of resources, a
set of beliefs, a set or behaviors or rituals, or,  most importantly, a
civilization or society as used in archeological contexts. It leaves too
much room for speculation and ambiguity. Yes, all those things are
interconnected and somewhat interdependent, but they are distinct aspects of
human activity. Let's go back and examine the UNESCO definition of "culture"
above: "... culture should be regarded as the set of distinctive spiritual,
material, intellectual and emotional features of society or a social group,
and that it encompasses, in addition to art and literature, lifestyles, ways
of living together, value systems, traditions and beliefs". That definition
could just as easily and accurately apply to "society" if you swap
population for "society or social group". Why keep re-inventing the wheel?
Just use the words that say what you really mean.


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OLC is sad to inform our listeners of the passing of our dear friend,
Jim Michael. Jim was an ardent researcher and supporter of the
diffusion community and he will be sorely missed.
There are no words than can adequately express the loss one feels upon
the death of a loved one. Our deepest sympathies to Marilyn and family




James B. Michael

MICHAEL, JAMES B., 76, of Louisville, passed away Saturday, February
9, 2008. He was a retired Pfizer pharmaceutical salesman, a veteran,
with 44 years of service as a CW4 of KyARNG, he was a founder and
president of the Ancient Kentucke Historical Association and a member
of St. Patrick Catholic Church. He was active with SAR/DAR and a
published author. He is survived by his wife, Marilyn Gottbrath
Welland Michael; daughters, Susan H. Shine, Nina Fulkerson (Michael),
Tina Michael-Shine (Thomas) and Tawnya Michael; stepbrother, John
Magoun (Gerry); many grandchildren; great-grandchildren; and nieces
and nephew. Memorial service will be Tuesday at 1 p.m. at St. Patrick
Catholic Church, 1000 Beckley Station Road, with burial in Cave Hill
Cemetery. Visitation is Monday from 2-5 p.m. and 6-8 p.m. at the
Pearson-Ratterman Funeral Home, 12900 Shelbyville Road. Memorial
contributions may be made to the American Diabetes Association.
Published in The Courier-Journal from 2/10/2008 - 2/11/2008.
Guest Book • Flowers • Gift Shop • Charities

Friends,
As a part of my Co-Dir' duties at The Equinox Project,
my desk fields incoming e-mails and queries from the
public as generated by our website.

A diffusion-researcher from New Zealand has renewed a
request to try and locate John Williams who was a
collegue of Dr. B Fell and a repeated contributor to
the ESOP (Epigraphic Society Occasional Publications).

Williams is by now quite elderly and i can only
imagine his health may be compromised. He may or not
be up to answering research questions even by sincere
correspondants. Then again, lookit Carter and how well
he held up right to the end. He was computer literate
right with the general trend and revising manuscripts
even when he could hardly get around physically.

Last traces, maybe three yrs ago, were that John
Williams was also quite 'with it' and using e-mail,
viewing articles and surfing the web with gusto,
living in either CA or TX. Maybe both if he has an RV.
Has anyone crossed his trail lately? Know how he may
be contacted?

Thanks for any help!
-chris




      
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Never miss a thing.  Make Yahoo your home page.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

What happened about this? It was called the Hidden Histories
Documentary when I heard about it, but has it died a death or did I
miss it?
Thanks
Doug

Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:

Op/Ed: One Man's Trash

Other news:  Runic inscription found in central Independence, MO

Events:  AKHA has meetings scheduled in February.

*Please send event schedules for your organizations and I will publish them.

Last week's show:   Discussions and tech trouble

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This Week's Show:  OLC Diffusion Discussions

Call in. There have been some lively discussions in the Yahoo Groups this
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Other news:

CoasttoCoastAM ran a listener photo on Tuesday of what was reported as an
inscription found in central Independence, MO. The characters appear to be
elder FUTHARK with a modern date (1888) graffitied into it.  Oh Scott...

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2410.html?theme=light


Ruins of 7,000-year-old city found in Egypt oasis

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080129/wl_mideast_afp/egyptarchaeology



a.. Return of prehistoric human remains in Malaysia - 1 week agoMalaysian
Culture, Arts and Heritage Minister Datuk Seri Dr Rais Yatim will leave for
England next week to secure the return of prehistoric Cha Cave (Gua Cha)
human skeletons currently...
a.. Genetic study suggests Polynesians descended from East Asians - 1 week
agoThe ancestors of today's Polynesians and Micronesians were probably East
Asians who quickly island-hopped through Near Oceania?what is now Australia,
New Guinea, and the Solomon Islands?a new gene...
a.. Recent findings and excavations in Çatalhöyük - 1 week agoÇatalhöyük
Research Project Director Ian Hodder says goddess icons do not, contrary to
assumptions, point to a matriarchal society in Çatalhöyük (Turkey). Findings
in 
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a.. Bronze Age site found in Cambridge - 1 week agoArchaeologists in
Cambridge (England) have unearthed the first hard evidence that an area of
the city was occupied during the Bronze Age. The remains were found during a
dig at...
a.. 2,500-year-old sword excavated from Chinese tomb - 1 week ago

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Ancient Kentucke Historical Association
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  February 17,  2:30  Sunday                     In My Home
Nostradamus new picts
   February 23, 2:00 Saturday                 Falls of the Ohio
Brendan The Navigator

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Op/Ed: One Man's Trash

A shell mound, also known as a shell midden, is a trash heap of discarded
mollusk shells. They are found along every waterway and seashore in North
America south of the 45th parallel and in many other parts of the world. If
a skeleton is found underneath a shell midden, it is certainly much older
than any current or even historical native tribe could trace and was already
there when the later people started dumping the shells there. This is
important, because the calcium of the mollusk shells helps to preserve the
skeletal remains and protect them from acidic soil conditions. The same is
not true of the trash heaps and landfills we generate today. The county
landfill at Cahokia just undertook an expansion that will cover at least
three known burial sites. This is the antithesis of preservation and it is
appalling and shameful.

In the eyes of archeology, any culture, including our own, is defined by its
trash. Anthropologists use a more comprehensive list of descriptors. To the
far future archaeologists, we will likely be known collectively as the
Plastic Diaper Cculture, with various areas of the continent receiving more
specialized designations: Central Florida will be known as the center  of
the Eastern Mouse Culture with its ample evidence of worshiping a stylized
rodent figure. Similar icons found in the Los Angeles basin, the Western
Mouse Culture, will be considered evidence of cultural diffusion by some,
but will be dismissed by scholars as parallel cultural development.
Huntsville will be known as the Longneck  Bottle Culture. New Orleans, once
those future archaeologists are able to dive on that inundated city site,
will be called Plastic Bead Land. Seattle, with its biodegradable packaging,
corrosion prone and damp environment will be forgotten altogether under
hundreds of millions of tons of volcanic ash from Mt. Ranier...

Notice that none of those designations comes close to describing our
culture, i.e., our art, music, prose, clothing, religious beliefs, humor,
politics, joys, or sorrows, just our trash. We only recognize the
descriptions because we are living in that culture. Someone uncovering the
articles used to form those names wouldn't have a clue what all those items
truly represent. Yes, occasionally, we'll toss out a cracked religious icon,
Halloween costume, ragged jokebook, or decrepit piano. Those things are
clues to our culture that ended up on the trash heap because they were no
longer wanted or functional, they are not themselves our culture. They are
not only not precious to us, they hold no particular value. They're trash.
The same holds true for the items found in shell middens (or any midden),
they were thrown out as trash.

The same is not true of burial mounds, ceremonial mounds, effigy mounds or
their contents, such as at Cahokia. They do not contain trash, other than
the stray plastic straw from the visitors' center, and any article found in
them was placed there with some great amount of care, honor, and purpose.
These items were precious. Many items were likely made specifically to be
buried in that mound the way we assemble a time capsule. The major
difference being, our time capsules are intended to be opened in a hundred
years while we still have a chance of fully understanding and appreciating
the contents.

Discarded, broken projectile points and flakes were once as ubiquitous as
discarded plastic straws are today. I have a wooden cigar box full of them
and I call that box my "treasure chest". Which only serves to prove the
truism, one man's trash is another man's treasure.

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Hi and happy birthday to the runestone museum in alexandria...
I spoke with julie the other day and she says the party starts on
january 23rd at the museum and will continue thru the summer.. this is
the 50 year celebration.

there will be cake and icecream at the museum on the 23rd as the
kick-off party...
burrrr,,,maybe just cake and coffee..

here is a 5 minute video too:

wcco.com - A Minnesota Mystery: The Kensington Runestone
<http://wcco.com/topstories/kensington.runestone.columbus.2.369735.html>

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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  John Anthony West: Old, VERY Old, Egypt

Op/Ed: Crackpots

Other news: Uncovering a diver’s dream - Indiana Daily Student

Events:  AKHA has meetings scheduled in January and February.

*Please send event schedules for your organizations and I will publish them.

Last week's show:

Site of the week

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This Week's Show:  John Anthony West

John Anthony West is a writer, scholar and Pythagorean, born in New York City. 
He is the author of The Traveler's Key to Ancient Egypt, and consulting editor
for the Traveler's Key series.  His previous book, Serpent in the Sky: The High
Wisdom of Ancient Egypt is an exhaustive study of the revolutionary
Egyptological work of the French mathematician and Orientalist, the late R.A.
Schwaller de Lubicz.

In The Case for Astrology, John Anthony West presents compelling new evidence
that proves the astrological premise: that correlations exist between events in
the sky and on earth, and that correspondences exist between the human
personality and the positions of the planets at birth.

Mr. West has published a novel and many short stories; his plays have been
produced on stage, television and radio, and he writes articles, essays and
criticism for The New York Times Book Review, Conde Nast's Traveler and other
general interest and specialized newspapers and magazines in America and abroad.
He won an EMMY Award for his 1993 NBC Special Documentary The Mystery of the
Sphinx, hosted by Charlton Heston.

The ancient Egyptians themselves attributed their wisdom to an earlier age going
back 36,000 years. West set out to test the hypothesis that the Sphinx was much
older than its conventional date of 2500 BC. His findings provide the first hard
evidence that an earlier age of civilization preceded the known development of
civilization in the Nile valley.

John Anthony West is today the leading authority and proponent of the
'Symbolist' school of Egyptology, an alternative interpretation of ancient
Egyptian culture advanced by the French scholar and philosopher, R.A. Schwaller
de Lubicz (1891-1962). In the Symbolist view, Egyptian architecture and art
disclose a richer and more universal wisdom than conventional Egyptology has
assumed.


Mr. West lectures extensively on Egypt and personally leads several in-depth
study tours to Egypt every year.

If you're interested in travelling to Egypt with John Anthony West, click here.





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Op/Ed:  Crackpots

I watched an episode of The Universe on the History Channel a couple weeks ago
and they were expounding the virtues of the Big Bang theory. I won't go into
details because this newsletter concerns an entirely different branch of
science, but suffice it to say that one speaker in the program stated flatly
that anybody who did not agree with the Big Bang theory and its attendant
expanding universe is considered a "crackpot". Excuse me, but if it's a theory,
aren't scientists supposed to question it and look for alternative explanations?
Well, apparently the folks who buck the conventional wisdom of any scientific
field, not just archeology, are crackpots.

It just seems to me that constantly refreshed questioning of hypotheses is the
best possible form of scientific method. However, egos being what they are, the
folks who form the hypotheses, morph them into theories (often with
misinterpreted evidence), adapt them to doctrines, then promote them as
scientific dogma are not very open to anyone questioning their logic.

I guess I'm a crackpot. I question everything...

Oz

This op-ed section is wide open to contributors. Have an opinion? Write it up
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Other news:

a.. The Pleiades carved by prehistoric people in the Alps - 2 days ago Two
groups of man-made cup markings carved on a pair of boulders found in the
Italian Alps may represent the Pleiades star cluster, according to the
archaeo-astronomer Guido Cossard. The...
a.. Ancient Miami circle will remain buried - 2 days ago Nine years ago, an
array of people rose up to save the Miami Circle, a 2,000-year-old artifact that
many embraced as America's own Stonehenge. But today, the Circle — a...
a.. Tongan site dated oldest in Polynesia - 2 days ago  Using pottery shards,
archaeologist David Burley says they have confirmed Nukuleka, just east of
Tonga's capital, Nuku'alofa, is Polynesia's birthplace. The confirmation comes
as something...
a.. Study points to 500 BCE Kerala maritime activity - 2 days ago  Kerala
(southwestern India), may have had maritime contacts with far off lands as far
back in time as 500 BCE or even earlier, archaeological studies now suggest. The
Kerala Council...
a.. Controversial scrub clearance at Old Sarum - 2 days ago

Uncovering a diver’s dream - Indiana Daily Student

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Ancient Kentucke Historical Association
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Calendar of Events
January 20 , 2:30  Sunday                        In My Home
Life among the Piutes       .

January 26, 2:00 Saturday                     Falls of the Ohio                
Homicide in Kennewick…

  February 17,  2:30  Sunday                     In My Home
Nostradamus new picts

   February 23, 2:00 Saturday                 Falls of the Ohio                
Brendan The Navigator



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Heilsa All,

I find it Wyrd, that after visiting the Kensington discovery site just
the other day, December 28th, that I would receive an invitation to
the group. There is no doubt in my mind that the Kensington stone is
authentic. Olof's family suffered dearly for the stone, and most
people would have buckled under the pressures and the suicides that
this caused.

In Frith,
Gunnar

hello in minneapolis..... i too am from the sota (alex/new
brighton)but have flown south for the winter(west coast)....
  welcome to runestones.... this is the winter season and many bears
are already in the cave for the winter...how ever a few of us that do
have internet in the cave are having conversations over at ancient
vikings of america..AVA.. this is not sports related...but is ongoimg
research looking in minnesota for the ship that carried those first
vikings to america...etc etc...

check it out too:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientVikingsAmerica/

happy new years all

thanks
steve

Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archeology

Op/Ed: Light show

Other news: Reindeer: it's what was for dinner in prehistory

Events:  AKHA has no meetings in December, but will resume in January.



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Michael Cremo-- 2 hour SPECIAL

Michael Cremo is one of the best known figures in both conventional and
unconventional archeology. His work quality is exemplary as his conclusions
are unarguable. This promises to be one of the best OLC segments to date!!
Cremo is an author and researcher specializing in the history and philosophy
of science. His persistent investigation during the eight years of writing
Forbidden Archeology documented a major scientific cover-up, making him a
world authority on archaeological anomalies regarding human antiquity and
assured he would be villified in the eyes of dogmatic acedemia.


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Op/Ed:

Before and After the Light Show

Last night would have been a great time to have clear skies. That didn't
happen here at the Possum Holler Studios or I would have been out looking at
the sky. It was cloudy on the day of the winter solstice, too. But last
night was special: The full moon, if I could have seen it more than an hour
before sunrise, hung directly over (occulted) Mars in a display that is
really a once in a lifetime occurance, given the odds of having clear skies
here to veiw it...

What has that to do with out of place artifacts and diffusion theory?
Ancient people would have observed that rare display the world over, well,
for this one, throughout the New World, and probably made note of it in a
petroglyph somewhere. We know, or at least we surmise, also that they veiwed
comets as being signs of terrifying times ahead and there are several
mentions in the ancient texts of the planets "misbehaving" and moving in
random fashion. Velikovsky expounded on this in his work Worlds in Collision
to argue that Mars' orbit was so perturbed at one time in human memory that
it passed very close to or even touched Earth. Velikovsky's work has also
inspired others to refine the theory to the point that they are having an
impact on the mother of all science, cosmology. (Electric Universe)

Very similar symbols recurring in petroglyphs all over the globe led
Velikovsky and the authors of the Electric Universe, Talbott and Thornhill,
to conclude that all the ancient peoples observed the same celestial event
and commemmorated it in stone. Velikovsky thought it was a comet and the
others think it was a plasma induced electrical discharge, They may all be
correct, but that's too involved to explain here.

Still, what has that to do with oopa and diffusion theory? Well, the
universal nature of the symbology would indicate to some a world spanning
culture using the same symbols and would therefore be evidence of cultural
diffusion. To the others, it represents the use of extremely similar symbols
by isolated cultures to depict a global event. I think both diffusion and
the postulated global event are true and I wish to use that premise to set
up a "what if". What if, instead of commemorating the celestial event, those
symbols, representing a time which was known universally, were used to date
other events which are the actual subject of memorialization? The symbols
cited by Velikovsky, Talbott, and Thornhill are very rarely found isolated,
but rather are almost always associated with other enigmatic symbols. In
other words, I offer the hypothesis that the other symbols are modifers
denoting how long before or after the celestial event was the memorialized
event. So if the celestial event were a cometary impact as hypothesized this
past summer, then the string of symbols might say something like "Before the
comet hit and killed them all, we were many and we hunted mammoth and wooly
rhinos, but after it hit, we were few and we hunted bison and deer and
fished and we no longer needed nor knew how to make the extremely fine
projectile points.."

Now, it just so happens that several scientifically-dated events converge or
coincide at, around, or very near the same time, the so-called Younger-Dryas
Event:

   a.. The supposed cometary strike

   b.. Mass extinctions of megafuana (and NOT just in the Americas, but
that's another story)

   c.. Disapperance of Clovis point technology and emergence of Redstone
points

   d.. Youngest calculated date for Haplogroup X founder migration to the New
World

And this non-scientifacally-dated event:

   a.. Destruction of Plato's Atlantis


And if Al Goodyear is correct in his dating of charcoal at the Topper site,
man had already been in the Americas for some forty thousand years before
that comet impacted some twelve thousand to thirteen thousnd years ago. With
that long an occupation and such a universal event as a cometary impact to
use as a time marker, doesn't it just make sense to use that event as a
divider? Much the same as we use the birth of Christ to divide the ages,
ancient man may have used the massively destructive and earth altering event
to demarkate the ages of "before and after".

So, to those Loopers who work to decode ancient synbols, I hope this helps.
If it doesn't pan out, well, at least I tried to contribute...

Although it would have been horrible to endure both the impact and the the
aftermath, imagine the light show of that impact!!

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The sample that...
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Cumbrian site (England). West Coast Energy has applied to build nine
335ft-high wind turbines at...
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meat went from being an occasional treat to everyday fare among prehistoric
cavemen who lived in Southwest France and what is now the Czech Republic,
two new studies suggest....
a.. Historian's race to preserve ancient Scottish site - 23 hr agoLocal
historian Alan Brydon has been instrumental in protecting a site of
significant archaeological importance which dates back thousands of years.
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ida jane,,,have you recieved any videos?... send reply if you are
still getting mail..
steve--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, "Jane Gallagher"
<ijgall@...> wrote:
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>
> Dear Hilgren,
> I am trying to send photos to you for the web site. They have been
> returned. Please give me instructions.
> Ida Jane Gallagher            ijgall@...
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: hilgren <hilgren@...>
> > To: <americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 2/24/2007 2:32:08 PM
> > Subject: Re: [American Runestones] contact info needed
> >
> > Hi William and no worry on last name,,It is hilgren today but was
> > helgren and hellgren before and was actually THOR or effriam the son
> > of...lol/,,in sweden.
> > So I will include the photos next time i get a mail to scott..he has
> > lots of mail and calls from us out here on the fringe.  I hope you
> > have seen his book. There is a lot of detail on rock aging and also
> > the templars connection.
> >
> > http://www.kensingtonrunestone.com/default.aspx?msg=2
> >
> >
> > also you may want to consider using a head set for the show or I at
> > least will, next time I call,,those archives are really funny....gotta
> > start somewhere..
> >
> > Good luck next week
> > thanks
> > steve of the waybacks
> >
> >
> > --- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, william smith
> > <wmsmithrock1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Steve
> > >     Thanks for giving Chris the contact for Scott and the link to
> > his site. Have you shared with Scott the photos I took last summer on
> > the Island of Gotland that showed the stone ship circles. Also I would
> > like to apologize for miss spelling your name.
> > >   best regards
> > >   William
> > >
> > > hilgren <hilgren@> wrote:
> > >           Check Scotts site,,he has contact info here too...or you
> > can send it
> > > to me an i will foreward it to his personal site..
> > > thanks
> > > steve
> > > http://www.kensingtonrunestone.com/default.aspx?msg=2
> > >
> > > check the video too
> > > sorry,,but I can not give out his personal info.
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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Bill Donato on recent Bimini finds pointing to ancient
oceanic trade

Op/Ed: Smugglers, Pirates, and Thieves

Other news: Winter solstice to be webcast from Newgrange

Events:  AKHA has no meetings in December, but will resume in January.



Please send event schedules for your organizations and I will publish them.

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Last week's show:  Diffusion related discussion


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Copper, gold, cocaine, tobacco, maize, gourds, chilli peppers,  pineapples,
and furs are among the things - out of place goods - traded across oceans in
times we used to think it couldn't happen. Bill describes evidence that
ancient trade ships passed through Bimini.


Please tune in .  Please call in. Bill can address your questions regarding
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Op/Ed: Smugglers, Pirates, and Thieves

Captain Kidd's ship has been located in "pristine" condition off the
Dominican coast. Kidd was a privateer to his Whig sponsors, but a pirate in
the eyes of the Tory opposition. Without recounting all his adventures and
misadventures, he was hanged in London in 1701. Some three hundred years
later, evidence was found as "mis-filed papers" that would have exonerated
Kidd of the piracy charges. It turns out, William Kidd was hanged - allowed
to hang - in order to preserve the political power of his sponsors.

Kidd operated in very distant seas from his New York home port.  His
adventures took him to across the Pacific to Japan, the Indian Ocean, the
Red Sea, Madagascar, the Caribbean,  and finally back to New York. He went
overland to Boston where he was arrested. His final voyage, to London,  was
in chains. All these voyages occurred a century before there was such a
thing as a "ship's chronometer", and yet Kidd apparently knew precisely
where he was at all times.

Kidd, like all privateers of the era, operated as a sort of "officially
sanctioned pirate". There is a long history of such actions, going all the
way back to ancient times. The Ptolemaic era had its equivalents. So did
Carthage. And, of course, the Norse had the Vikings. When the leaders of one
country didn't have sufficient naval power to control the seas or trade of
another country, they would hire privateers to disrupt the maritime trade or
naval powers of their enemies. When peace was achieved, whether through
diplomacy or through conquest, the privateers were suddenly both unemployed
and unemployable. Some turned or returned to true piracy. Some smuggled high
value or illegal goods. Some were caught and executed. Others simply
disappeared from history.

There is evidence that extensive maritime trade networks existed during
Roman times, but little evidence that they were sponsored by Rome.
Officially, any and all foreign trade had to have a Roman stamp of approval
(literally, an official stamp on wax seal). Pirates, smugglers, and thieves
would conduct their business without any such official oversight. Nor would
they leave any records historians might use to reconstruct their activities.
And yet the trade goods, mostly ceramics, show up in diverse places that
that don't logically attest to overland trade.

The cannon found with Kidd's prize, the Quedagh Merchant, are the evidence
used to identify the ship. They are bronze, one of the most enduring metals
(next to gold) when submerged in seawater. Almost no wood remains after only
three hundred years. The identification is supported through records of that
age. What records exist of Roman or Phoenician trade or piracy? Or of
smuggling? Likely, the only records would be of executions once the pirates
or smugglers were caught and those records wouldn't detail the goods or
routes as did Kidd's trial. The Torys used all they knew to try and waylay
the Whigs using Kidd as the bait. But Kidd was naively loyal to his sponsors
and never provided all the details. Did certain Roman senators and
aristocrats conceal evidence the way Kidd's Whig sponsors did?

It is not at all surprising to me that no records exist of ancient
trans-oceanic voyages (other than that of Pytheus). Between the secrecy
required for both official trade (trade secrets) and clandestine naval or
maritime voyages, and the penalties for defying officialdom, no one would
have wanted to record their adventures.

Written documents existed and would have exonerated Kidd of piracy, but the
evidence was hidden. Lack of written history is not evidence of lack of
history

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a.. Winter solstice to be webcast from Newgrange - Newgrange (co. Meath,
Ireland) is best known for the illumination of its passage and chamber by
the winter solstice sun. Above the entrance to the passage at Newgrange
there is...
a.. Stonehenge: so what now? -  As plans for the Stonehenge tunnel scheme
lay in tatters this week, Salisbury MP Robert Key called on government
ministers to set up a Stakeholder Task Force to piece together...
a.. Prehistoric toolkit unearthed in Jordan -  Before the end of the last
ice age, a hunter-gatherer left a bag of tools near the wall of a roundhouse
residence, where archaeologists have now found the collection 14,000...
a.. Archaeologists find speared skeleton in Australia -  A new report led by
an archaeologist on the first evidence of death by spearing in Australia has
been published in the journal Antiquity. The paper outlines the
collaborative detective...
a.. 15,000-year-old flint spear tip found in Ohio -

The Local - Ancient stone circle found in Skåne

BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Great beasts peppered from space

Beloved professor dies from lung disease - Texas A&M The Battalion
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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  All things diffusion

Op/Ed: In the shadow of genius

Other news: Power struggle to control ancient bones

Events:  AKHA has no meetings in December, but will resume in January.



Please send event schedules for your organizations and I will publish them.

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Last week's show:  David Richarde


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This Week's Show:

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This week is a compendium of all the evidence related to diffusion theory.
I'll probably miss a couple, so be ready to call in and correct me.

I hope you'll tune in tonight, Thursday at 9 PM eastern

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Op/Ed: In the shadow of genius

This week I had the privilege of viewing some old video tapes of both Dr.
Barry Fell and of Gloria Farley explaining their respective work. While most
of us are aware of their work, seeing and hearing them explain it to a video
camera was an entirely different experience than reading their books and
articles. The tapes were produced and distributed by Shepherd's Chapel,
executive produced by Arnold Murray, and had clear religious overtones
during Murray's commentary, but the segments still present the evidence in a
concise and compelling fashion.

As a young man,  Barry Fell was a radar officer during WWII. The Royal Navy
didn't use him to their best advantage, however, he should have been a
cryptographer. One of the tapes I watched illustrated his decipherment of
the Easter Island tablets. I had been aware previously that he'd
accomplished this, but I had never appreciated just what it took. Basically,
that script was not only obscured by time, it was also more metaphor than
definitive and was a rebus on top of that. Added to that, it was it's own
steganograph; the real meaning was hidden in the way the words were
pronounced versus the way the words were written. In effect, there were four
layers of encryption and Dr. Fell still figured it out using only his own
experience and a partial key to only one layer. These lines can't do justice
in describing the difficulty or the accomplishment. And yet he was able to
explain it in such a way that even I understood it.

Gloria Farley was one of the most patient and dedicated researchers this
field has ever seen. Her one hour video summation of the twenty three
separate Old World scripts that she documented during her forty five years
of research and in her tome, In Plain Sight, was precise, articulate, and
eloquent. The separate hour long video documenting Gloria describing the
autumnal equinox animation while on site at Anubis Caves was quite well
conceived, but the videography, carried out by folks from Northeastern
University, was poorly produced (video work inside caves is difficult at
best). I was able to see the solar projections as she described them,
however.

Last night I also watched once again an old tape of the Nova presentation on
the "Red Paint" people. In the intervening decades since I had last seen
this program, I had forgotten about Moorhead's contribution to the study of
this enigmatic culture and what it cost him. Moorhead was "self-taught" and
the program brought that out prominently, but failed to explain adequately
that, at that time, all archeologists were self taught, since there was no
"established" science for the field yet. Moorhead developed hypotheses and
field techniques, analytical regimen, specialized consultation with other
fields, technological tools (e.g., photography), and theories that his more
"learned" colleagues, mostly at the Smithsonian, had never even considered.
They still ruined him for thinking that the Red Paint people (now called
Maritime Archaic) were a lost race and diffused across the Atlantic.

In all, I watched eleven hours of small screen video this week, more than I
usually view in a couple months. I was struck with the genius displayed by
the three individual researchers I've mentioned here. It was worth every
one of the six hundred sixty minutes viewing time.

Oz


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Power struggle to control ancient bones

US author to unveil Washington's Masonic past



Biblical Wall May Have Been Located

Ancient Greenland mystery has a simple answer, it seems


Finding 2,500-year-old bones

Deep sea discoveries

Mesopotamian sculpture sells for record 57 million dollars

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doug,,nice of you to check in again and it was a good reminder to
check your site again too...much new info...
thanks
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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  David Richarde

Op/Ed: So Simple a Caveman Could Do It.

Other news: Keepers of the Lost Ark?

Events:  AKHA has no meetings in December, but will resume in January.
My thoughts go out to Jim and Marilyn Michaels and wishes for for Jim's
swift improvement.

Please send event schedules for your organizations and I will publish them.

Last week's show:  Pre-Columbian Turkey Day


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David Richarde
Templar Church Bishop David Richarde recaps his recent visit to Roslyn
Castle and Roslyn Chapel. Overview and update on Wales Ark Site as well as
Emerging Alternative History Items- Spent three days with Alan Wilson and
Robert Schoch / visited sites in Wales revolving around the Ark Stayed in
Roslyn Castle, visited Temple and Roslyn Chapel, explored Templar History at
Newbattle Abbey.

I hope you'll tune this Thursday at 9 PM eastern

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Op/Ed: So Simple a Caveman Could Do It.

The now familiar theme of the GEICO (Government Employee Insurance Company)
commercials is that the caveman is offended by the implication that he and
his brethren are "intellectually challenged" compared to homo sapien sapien.
One of those commercials alludes to the invention of the wheel, mastering
the use of fire, and other technological developments by "cavemen".

Arguments, debates, popular surveys, and many monographs and essays have
tried to determine or promoted the authors' opinions as to the most
important invention to mankind. Everything from telephonic communication to
bicycles to penicillin to photography have been mentioned to fill that
blank, but anyone who ever walked (or tried to walk)  down a gravel road or
through a briar patch while barefoot knows the real answer to that question.

A Washington University in St. Louis study of Upper Paleolithic human
skeletal remains from western Eurasia indicates that people made and wore
shoes (that is, left-and-right-fitting, semi-rigid footwear) as much as
thirty thousand years ago and began insulating their feet from the cold as
early as five hundred thousand years ago. In today's world, the capability
to produce such fitted, comfortable footwear requires division of labor and
specialization of skills as well as specialized tools. The same was true for
any functional, fitted footwear made in that long ago era. Extended, that
also implies both industry and commerce. Extended further, it implies rules
of conduct, hence the rudiments of civilization.

The earliest surmised invention and use of fitted footwear roughly coincides
with some of the earliest known art (which we know as "cave art" and so we
associate with "cavemen"). Much of that art depicts game animals of that
era. Having a background in vocational, technical, and industrial training
and education, I can only view those depictions as visual aids for training
. So, I speculate, the specialized skills of the artists (quite impressive
in their own right, in my opinion) were employed by the hunting specialists
to train new hunters and scouts.

A location in Britain known as "Grimes Graves", five miles north of present
day Thetford,  was a mining area for flint some four thousand years ago. The
site encompasses over four hundred mine-shafts, dug to extract high-quality
flints. Using bone and wood tools and presumably the flints themselves,
these ancient people excavated to a depth of twelve meters in some mines, to
reach the flint nodules. Some estimates indicate that the miners needed to
remove a thousand tons of tailings to extract eight tons of flint. The
Thetford site covers nearly one hundred acres and the scope of the work is
both staggering and reminiscent of copper mining on Isle Royale, but is
still miniscule in scope compared to the latter location.

Although more advanced mining technologies had developed elsewhere, the task
of the ancient Brits was anything but easy. The mining work required timbers
to shore up their excavations and ladders to reach down in to them. Lighting
was required in the deeper pits, presumably fueled with animal fat or fish
oil, and they needed tools, which were made from deer antlers, so they had
to manage the local herds of red-deer (or at least harvest the shed
antlers). A separate and skilled industry was required to work the extracted
flints and to market and distribute them. The Grimes Graves operation
exemplifies a sort of society that required and thrived on division of labor
and specialization of skills. The timescale was quite different from our
own. Excavation at Grime's Graves is thought to have lasted more than five
centuries. In contrast, tube electronics lasted only fifty years, being
replaced by transistors.. The pace of innovation is ever increasing.
Transistors gave way to integrated circuits after only twenty years. And
now, the most sophisticated central processing unit (computer chip) will be
obsolete within one year.

At Thetford, someone specialized in animal husbandry, others in food
preparation and preservation, still others tanned hides and made clothing
and a myriad of other occupations. Imagine extending the scope of that
divided labor network to support the four hundred thirty three mine pits at
Thetford to the labor force required for the estimated five thousand mine
pits on Isle Royale.

While styles change, and some specialization is appropriate, the idea of
protective footwear is likely the longest held invention of man in
continuous use, that is, since we quit using bone needles a couple thousand
to three hundred years ago. The needle qualifies as an "enabling technology"
for shoes and the two rank equally as the most important inventions in my
view. And both occurred in the dawn of "modern" humans, some thirty to forty
thousand years ago. As soon as the shoes were finished some forty plus
thousand years ago, they used the needle to start on the sails...These were
NOT stupid people! For instance, how did the miners know there was flint
forty feet down in the chalk at Thetford?

Beyond that, the earliest known date for humans wearing shoes extends back
to thirty nine to forty two thousand years in China. Additionally intriguing
is that no "modern human" remains from that period are found between China
and Lebanon. So any migration was most likely coastal, hence my comment
about the sails. Add to the list of trades and specialized skills of the
period: sailing, navigation, shipwrighting, pharmacology, tactical planning,
logistics management, accounting, residential construction, ad nauseum.

Pretty smart, those cavemen.

Oz

Disclaimer: I have no association with GEICO, but I do occasionally
associate with cavemen.

Grimes Graves links:

   a.. grid reference TL818898
   b.. Page on English Heritage's website
   c.. 360 degree panorama from the bottom of a shaft
   d.. Picture of a shaft
   e.. More pictures

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Gene study suggests Native Americans came from Siberia

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--- Rick Osmon <ozman@...> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Loopers!
>
> In this issue:
>
> This Week's Show:  Pre-Columbian Turkey Day
>
> Op/Ed: Salvers
>
> Other news: Ancient jade study sheds light on sea
> trade
>
> Events: Ancient Kentucke Historical Association
>
> Last week's show:  Open Lines
>
>
> Site of the week
>
>
>
>
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>
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> This Week's Show:  Pre-Columbian Turkey Day
>
> Why did the the chicken cross the pacific? To beat
> Columbus to the Americas!
> A quick search indicates the many news blurbs and
> blogs that have come about
> since the announcement last June of DNA analysis of
> chicken bones found in
> Chile. This DNA proved that the chickens originated
> in Polynesia and
> associated Carbon 14 testing proved they were in
> Chile a century before
> Columbus arrived in the East Indies. In this
> segment, I will examine why
> those chickens crossed the Pacific.
>
> Of course, some of us prefer ham over fowl for our
> feast, so I'll also
> discuss trans-Pacific pigs.
>
> Please tune in Thanksgiving Night at 9 PM Eastern
> (yes, I know, I'm up
> against both football and The Incredibles)
>
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>
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>
> Op/Ed: Salvers vs. the World
>
> The recent case of Spain vs. The Odyssey is merely
> the latest newsworthy
> case and the tip of the iceberg as far as
> governments' heavy-handedness with
> regard to salvage laws. The millennia-old legal
> premise of "finders keepers"
> in marine salvage law was swept aside by the stroke
> of a pen in 1988 with
> the passage of the Abandoned Shipwreck Act. The
> individual cases that led to
> this were often quite complex, but the laws used to
> be in favor of the
> recoverer. Now, the law only benefits the
> government(s). A very illuminating
> piece about the whole mess can be read at
>
http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.imacd
> igest.com/wrecking.html
>
> "PETER E. HESS, Esq. of Wilmington, Delaware, has
> been an avid wreck diver
> for twenty years and is an admiralty lawyer with
> particular expertise in
> historic shipwreck and aircraft salvage litigation.
> He represented John
> Moyer in winning ownership of the Andrea Doria
> mosaics, Harry Zych is his
> ongoing confrontation with the State of Illinois and
> Gary Gentile in a
> successful eight year legal battle with the federal
> government that opened
> the shipwreck of the U.S.S. Monitor to the diving
> public that owns it. He
> later joined his clients on the expeditions to
> explore these shipwrecks. He
> remains firmly committed to protecting the rights of
> divers and salvers,
> both domestically in the United States and through
> the preservation of
> existing international law as well. He is on the
> Board of Directors of the
> Explorers Club."
>
> Basically, with that Abandoned Shipwreck Act,
> American salvers have been
> relegated to contract work only, with no rights to
> open salvage. This is in
> stark contrast to a couple thousand years of
> maritime legal history
> (Admiralty Law) and for no other reason than greed,
> both on the part of
> government and academia (in this debate, the two are
> inextricably combined).
> Now, the same group of legal eagles that spawned the
> Abandoned Shipwreck Act
> are formulating a similar piece of legislation for
> the United Nations,
> laying claim to all wrecks worldwide.
>
> Academia is jealous of the monetary resources and
> the technology it buys
> being brought to bear by commercial salvers. They
> would prefer to have
> exclusive rights to recover artifacts (and treasure)
> and use public funds to
> do it. The salvers at least use their own money --
> in the millions. What the
> salvers present to academia as far as information
> and artifacts is usually
> donated freely to academia and the salvers used to
> be very cooperative and
> generous on that count. How many doubloons or pieces
> of eight does a museum
> need for display?
>
> Mel Fisher's team eventually found the wreck of the
> Atochia by researching
> public records in Madrid more than through search
> and survey methods. The
> location was in those records for centuries, but
> until Mel, nobody expended
> the resources to recover the wreck or its contents.
> He eventually won legal
> possession of the contents of the wreck in a case
> against the State of
> Florida based on long-standing Admiralty Law.
>
> The government and academia have become the "valley
> people" of the song One
> Tin Soldier.
>
>
>
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>
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>
> Other news:
> *BREAKING "Noah's flood" spread farming, researchers
> say:
> A prehistoric deluge -- controversially linked to
> ancient flood myths -- kick-started European
> agriculture, a study claims.
>
>
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071119_flood.htm
>
> Ancient jade study sheds light on sea trade By Tan
> Ee Lyn Mon Nov 19, 5:06
> PM ET
>
> Prehistoric women had passion for fashion By Ljilja
> Cvekic Sun Nov 11, 10:38
> PM ET
>
> Jocko fire exposes artifacts  By KIM BRIGGEMAN,
> Missoulian
>
> a.. Bronze Age barrow found in North Yorkshire - 2
> days ago The first
> evidence of a Bronze Age settlement in Dewsbury has
> been uncovered at a
> sewage works in Earlsheaton (North Yorkshire,
> England). The dig, which is
> being carried out at...
> a.. Theory explains the fall of ancient Argaric
> people - 2 days ago One of
> Western Europe's earliest known urban societies may
> have sown the seeds of
> its own downfall, a study suggests. Mystery
> surrounded the fall of the
> Bronze Age Argaric people...
> a.. Dig reveals 3,000 year old Vietnamese artifacts
> - 2 days ago
> Archaeologists have unearthed hundreds of stone and
> earthenware artifacts
> believed to be nearly 3,000 years old on the Sa
> Huynh culture on the An Hai
> islet on the Con Dao...
> a.. Tides turn up child's Bronze Age remains - 2
> days ago High tides and
> winds that have battered the Northumberland coast
> (England) served up a
> burial mystery for archaeologists. Erosion by the
> sea and weather has
> revealed what seems to be...
> a.. Cocoa used as early as 1000 BCE - 2 days ago
>
>
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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Pre-Columbian Turkey Day

Op/Ed: Salvers

Other news: Ancient jade study sheds light on sea trade

Events: Ancient Kentucke Historical Association

Last week's show:  Open Lines


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This Week's Show:  Pre-Columbian Turkey Day

Why did the the chicken cross the pacific? To beat Columbus to the Americas!
A quick search indicates the many news blurbs and blogs that have come about
since the announcement last June of DNA analysis of chicken bones found in
Chile. This DNA proved that the chickens originated in Polynesia and
associated Carbon 14 testing proved they were in Chile a century before
Columbus arrived in the East Indies. In this segment, I will examine why
those chickens crossed the Pacific.

Of course, some of us prefer ham over fowl for our feast, so I'll also
discuss trans-Pacific pigs.

Please tune in Thanksgiving Night at 9 PM Eastern (yes, I know, I'm up
against both football and The Incredibles)
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Op/Ed: Salvers vs. the World

The recent case of Spain vs. The Odyssey is merely the latest newsworthy
case and the tip of the iceberg as far as governments' heavy-handedness with
regard to salvage laws. The millennia-old legal premise of "finders keepers"
in marine salvage law was swept aside by the stroke of a pen in 1988 with
the passage of the Abandoned Shipwreck Act. The individual cases that led to
this were often quite complex, but the laws used to be in favor of the
recoverer. Now, the law only benefits the government(s). A very illuminating
piece about the whole mess can be read at
http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.imacd
igest.com/wrecking.html

"PETER E. HESS, Esq. of Wilmington, Delaware, has been an avid wreck diver
for twenty years and is an admiralty lawyer with particular expertise in
historic shipwreck and aircraft salvage litigation. He represented John
Moyer in winning ownership of the Andrea Doria mosaics, Harry Zych is his
ongoing confrontation with the State of Illinois and Gary Gentile in a
successful eight year legal battle with the federal government that opened
the shipwreck of the U.S.S. Monitor to the diving public that owns it. He
later joined his clients on the expeditions to explore these shipwrecks. He
remains firmly committed to protecting the rights of divers and salvers,
both domestically in the United States and through the preservation of
existing international law as well. He is on the Board of Directors of the
Explorers Club."

Basically, with that Abandoned Shipwreck Act, American salvers have been
relegated to contract work only, with no rights to open salvage. This is in
stark contrast to a couple thousand years of maritime legal history
(Admiralty Law) and for no other reason than greed, both on the part of
government and academia (in this debate, the two are inextricably combined).
Now, the same group of legal eagles that spawned the Abandoned Shipwreck Act
are formulating a similar piece of legislation for the United Nations,
laying claim to all wrecks worldwide.

Academia is jealous of the monetary resources and the technology it buys
being brought to bear by commercial salvers. They would prefer to have
exclusive rights to recover artifacts (and treasure) and use public funds to
do it. The salvers at least use their own money -- in the millions. What the
salvers present to academia as far as information  and artifacts is usually
donated freely to academia and the salvers used to be very cooperative and
generous on that count. How many doubloons or pieces of eight does a museum
need for display?

Mel Fisher's team eventually found the wreck of the Atochia by researching
public records in Madrid more than through search and survey methods. The
location was in those records for centuries, but until Mel, nobody expended
the resources to recover the wreck or its contents. He eventually won legal
possession of the contents of the wreck in a case against the State of
Florida based on long-standing Admiralty Law.

The government and academia have become the "valley people" of the song One
Tin Soldier.


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Other news:
*BREAKING "Noah's flood" spread farming, researchers say:
A prehistoric deluge -- controversially linked to
ancient flood myths -- kick-started European
agriculture, a study claims.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/071119_flood.htm

Ancient jade study sheds light on sea trade By Tan Ee Lyn Mon Nov 19, 5:06
PM ET

Prehistoric women had passion for fashion By Ljilja Cvekic Sun Nov 11, 10:38
PM ET

Jocko fire exposes artifacts  By KIM BRIGGEMAN, Missoulian

a.. Bronze Age barrow found in North Yorkshire - 2 days ago The first
evidence of a Bronze Age settlement in Dewsbury has been uncovered at a
sewage works in Earlsheaton (North Yorkshire, England). The dig, which is
being carried out at...
a.. Theory explains the fall of ancient Argaric people - 2 days ago One of
Western Europe's earliest known urban societies may have sown the seeds of
its own downfall, a study suggests. Mystery surrounded the fall of the
Bronze Age Argaric people...
a.. Dig reveals 3,000 year old Vietnamese artifacts - 2 days ago
Archaeologists have unearthed hundreds of stone and earthenware artifacts
believed to be nearly 3,000 years old on the Sa Huynh culture on the An Hai
islet on the Con Dao...
a.. Tides turn up child's Bronze Age remains - 2 days ago High tides and
winds that have battered the Northumberland coast (England) served up a
burial mystery for archaeologists. Erosion by the sea and weather has
revealed what seems to be...
a.. Cocoa used as early as 1000 BCE - 2 days ago

a.. China Builds Underwater Museum Around Shipwreck - AHN - 3 hr agoChina
Builds Underwater Museum Around Shipwreck AHN - 3 hours ago "We've estimated
the ship to contain a total of 60000 to 80000 pieces of treasure," Wei Jun,
director of the Guangdong P...
a.. Hydroid Awarded Contract from Underwater Archaeology and ... -
PR-Inside.com (Pressemitteilung) - 1 hr ago



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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Al Cornette, Petroglyphs of Red River Gorge

Op/Ed; Sorry, not enough time this week, but if I had the time, I'd write a
scathing editorial about the fight between marine archeology and treasure
hunters...

Other news: GENERAL CONFERENCE DEFINES UNESCO’S STRATEGY

Events: Ancient Kentucke Historical Association

Last week's show:  Dragons, Giant birds, and Manbeasts,; Legends that Cross
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It's an incredibly busy week for your host, so this week's newsletter is
much abreviated.

Please tune in tonight at 9 Eastern as I chat with Al Cornette about the
petroglyphs of Red River Gorge and what is theatening them. And we talk
about his book on the subject, The Sandstone Chronicles, Rock Art of the Red
River Gorge, an Appalachian Journey . Some of these ancient messages in
stone are further endangered by vandals and rock climbers, Al tells us how.

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Op/Ed; Sorry, not enough time this week, but if I had the time, I'd write a
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Other news: GENERAL CONFERENCE DEFINES UNESCO’S STRATEGY

a.. Hazelnut shell pushes back date of Orcadian site - 4 days agoA charred
hazelnut shell recovered during the excavations at Longhowe in Tankerness
(Orkney, Scotland), earlier this year, has been dated to 6820-6660 BCE.
Although Orkney has plenty of indications o...
a.. Dig uncovers ancient Aboriginal dwellers - 4 days agoNew archaeological
evidence, published in October in the journal Australian Aboriginal Studies,
reveals that Aboriginal people visited the Watarrka Plateau, south-west of
Alice Springs (Australia), 13...
a.. Prehistoric artefacts unearthed in Maryland - 4 days agoFive thousand
years ago, a stand of oaks was a place where Native Americans came to gather
quartz and make tools. Now, archaeologists are working feverishly to learn
all they...
a.. Iron Age chain discovered in Shetland - 4 days agoA 2,000-year-old
bronze Iron Age chain has been discovered during consolidation work at the
ancient Scatness settlement (Shetland, Scotland). The chain, with 20 double
links and the remains of possibl...
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Last week's show:  Dragons, Giant Birds, World - ending Floods, and Giant
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Dale and I discussed all the evil mean and nasty critters of legend where
those legends cross oceans. And how those very legends are evidence of
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Hi Rick,

Thursday, November 1, 2007, 2:45:07 PM, you wrote:

> Hi Doug

> Thanks for the tips on the books. I'll pass to the listeners & try to
> read myself.

Good. She isn't the greatest writer and they need some editing, but
the information in them is great.

> Dale has the degree, worked for the state archaeologist in Indiana,
> also worked as a conservator, and is now, as you noted, an artist and
> writer. He is also one of the most widely read people I've ever
> encountered, has an eidetic memory, and is very squarely in the
> diffusion camp. All of which makes him a great guest for a show like mine.

Yes, definitely a great guest. I was just fooled by his Yahoo profile.
I think most people with degrees like that never go on to do anything
in the field, and I thought he was one of them from his profile.

> But since you brought up the great titles, would you like to write a
> review for the OLC newsletter? The show, web site, and the newsletter
> are all about and for the community and I encourage and welcome
> participation.

Thanks, I might take you up on that sometime but not this calendar
year, my time is pretty booked

Doug

> Oz


> --- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, Doug Weller <dweller@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> Anyone interested in dragons needs to read
>> The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times.  by
> Adrienne Mayor
>> a great book. Also her other book Fossil Legends of the First Americans
>> See here:
>> http://www.geocities.com/stegob/mayorarticle.html
>>
>> Minor niggle. Is Dale an anthropologist just because of his degree, or
>> is he a writer/artist which is how he describes himself on his Yahoo
>> profile?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>> --
>> Doug Weller  Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated
>> Director and Moderator The Hall of Ma'at http://www.thehallofmaat.com
>> Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
>> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>>




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Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

Hi Doug

Thanks for the tips on the books. I'll pass to the listeners & try to
read myself.

Dale has the degree, worked for the state archaeologist in Indiana,
also worked as a conservator, and is now, as you noted, an artist and
writer. He is also one of the most widely read people I've ever
encountered, has an eidetic memory, and is very squarely in the
diffusion camp. All of which makes him a great guest for a show like mine.

But since you brought up the great titles, would you like to write a
review for the OLC newsletter? The show, web site, and the newsletter
are all about and for the community and I encourage and welcome
participation.

Oz


--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, Doug Weller <dweller@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> Anyone interested in dragons needs to read
> The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times.  by
Adrienne Mayor
> a great book. Also her other book Fossil Legends of the First Americans
> See here:
> http://www.geocities.com/stegob/mayorarticle.html
>
> Minor niggle. Is Dale an anthropologist just because of his degree, or
> is he a writer/artist which is how he describes himself on his Yahoo
> profile?
>
> Doug
>
>
> --
> Doug Weller  Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated
> Director and Moderator The Hall of Ma'at http://www.thehallofmaat.com
> Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
> Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk
>

Hi Rick,

Anyone interested in dragons needs to read
The First Fossil Hunters: Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times.  by Adrienne
Mayor
a great book. Also her other book Fossil Legends of the First Americans
See here:
http://www.geocities.com/stegob/mayorarticle.html

Minor niggle. Is Dale an anthropologist just because of his degree, or
is he a writer/artist which is how he describes himself on his Yahoo
profile?

Doug


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Doug and Helen's Dogs: http://www.dougandhelen.com
Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk

Hello Loopers!

Here's your copy of the e~newsletter for the week of 29 October 2007


In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Dragons, Giant Birds, World - ending Floods, and Giant
Manbeasts; Legends that Cross Oceans

Op/Ed #5: Response to Steve Garcia

Other news: Columbus Exonerated: Viking Blamed

Events: Ancient Kentucke

Last week's show: Exciting news about the KENSINGTON RUNE STONE!!


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Upcoming Shows

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This week, celebrating Holloween, we delve into the legends of scary things
that are told on all the continents since time immemorial.

Anthropologist Dale Drinnon joins us to discuss the legends of evil, mean,
and nasty critters that have been the stuff of legend since the Sumerians
first put stylus to clay seven thousand years ago. Dragons are depicted in
ancient art all over the world. Giant, hairy, man-like beasts are too. Giant
birds have been reported since antiquity and even into the twenty first
century and all over the world. Is this evidence of diffusion? Various
versions of the story of the Great Flood are equally pervasive. How could
all these common elements appear in cultures seperated by vast oceans?

Come join in the spooky fun this Thursday at 9 PM Eastern as Dale and I
discuss the scarier side of diffusion evidence.

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Op/Ed #5: Response to Steve Garcia

Steve's opinion that Randy Koppang failed to make his case in writing about
the "conehead" skulls is indicative of one of the ills this community
suffers: works in progress. Randy indicated on the show that he continues to
research the subject and adds new evidence to his site as it accummulates
(and his friend loads it). This is, by definition a "work in progress".
Unfortunately, those types of works tend to be the target of skeptics and
naysayers because of their very preliminary nature. Steve admits that he
feels the nature of the evidence is very strong and that Randy's hypothesis
seems very sound, only that the case isn't made in an acceptable-to-academia
fashion.

To Randy's credit, I never saw anyone put that evidence together before, in
any form or format, that leads to the hypothesis that this was a seperate
race of humans. In cognative theory, that amounts to synthesis, and is
something expected at the PhD level. However, the presentation that Randy
has on his site is more reminiscient of a junior in college, and that isn't
such a bad start, really. Perhaps Randy can refine the presentation to the
point that it is acceptable to the scholars and thereby gain the backing to
perform the research that the subject deserves. I certainly hope so.  One
tooth and any DNA extracted from it could tell that tale.

But all lay researchers can take a lesson from this exchange: Consider more
than the evidence as being important to credibility. The presentation can
sink your theory like a rock even if the evidence itself is rock solid. If
in doubt, find someone with a critical eye to proofread and / or edit your
work before publication. In fact, getting more than one person to do that is
a doubly good idea.

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Other news:

Columbus Exonerated: Viking Blamed

"Recently,... syphilitic skeletons were dug up at a medieval friary in
northeastern Britain. ...these bones date back to about 1300."
............................

Larry Stroud is the associate editor of the Batesville Daily Guard. He gave
the show a nice bit of publicity last week. You can read it HERE

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Events:

Ancient Kentucke Historical Association



   Jim Michael, 1324 Garden Hill Place Louisville, KY. 40245  (502-254-2414)
Email: ancientkentucke@...



November 18, 2:30  Sunday                 In My Home
To Be Announced ……        ……

November 24, 200 Saturday               Falls of the Ohio             The
Vikings in N A                  …





Coming Programs

Vikings in North America is a Pennington original.  Homicide in Kennewick, a
British Channel 4 film in association with the Discovery Channel;  Giants in
America -- Loren will present his work on hundreds of very tall men living
on this continent some working in the copper trade;  Life among the
Piutes --  The firsthand experiences and oral traditions with white-skinned,
red-haired people murdered on this continent.  Information was published in
1883 and may have been suppressed by Native America.  This was written by a
Piute princess who gave four hundred speeches in support of her people and
wrote her autobiography which gained her Nevada Writers Hall of fame in 1995





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November 8th: Al Cornette, Petroglyphs of Red River Gorge

  Al Cornette discusses petroglyphs of Kentucky's Red River Gorge and his
book on the subject, The Sandstone Chronicles, Rock Art of the Red River
Gorge, an Appalachian Journey Some of these ancient messages are further
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Hey,,,,how many would you like to see...shall i put them all in a new
photo file at thor? may be the best of the best photos?

thanks
steve

--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, william smith
<wmsmithrock1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>     I am forwarding this request from Zena for photos of mooring
stones. Any help?
>   William
>
> Note: forwarded message attached.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi All
     I am forwarding this request from Zena for photos of mooring stones. Any
help?
   William

Note: forwarded message attached.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Jenny
     I totally agree with Steve about the mooring stones. I have a lot of respect
for Scott, however he will admit he has little expierence in this area. I was
searching the web on information about the tower he is visiting this weekend out
east. I found a site that mentioned mooring stone holes near the tower. I should
have marked the link, however I did not. I will try to find that info and
forward it on.
   william

jennydj13 <jennydj13@...> wrote:
           Hey, I didn't do the oompa loompa show because I had tickets to
Dracula, the Ballet last night...Front row seats. And I didn't think
I'd be any great addition...All I could tell them is that my
grandfather, who I never met, researched the runestone back in the
1930s-1940s and took a lot of pictures, collected newspaper articles
and had correspondence with contemporary researchers, and made a
plaster cast of the runestone. It's in my living room. All the papers
and notes were in a box in my garage. Lucky the mice didn't eat them!
And as for the treasure, it is now waiting in a pile next to my
scanner. So far I've scanned in 5 photos and sent them to Scott. 100s
more to go. Neat stuff but very time consuming.
Jennifer

--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, "hilgren" <hilgren@...>
wrote:
>
> All smoke,,,no fire...no jen,,, no "treasure"...
> Hi chris,,,i have sent you mail offsite but i am not sure if it was
> rhe right address...
> did you get to listen to the oopa loopa show last evening with scott..
> William called in and questioned his take on the mooring stones?
>
> i wrote this to thor...
> The arguement about holland and the mooring stones scott makes is
> wrong...he has not visited many mooring stone sites and should reserve
> his conclusions and critizism of holland calling these
> "mooring stones" until he has.
>
> thanks
> steve
> --- In
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hey, I didn't do the oompa loompa show because I had tickets to
Dracula, the Ballet last night...Front row seats. And I didn't think
I'd be any great addition...All I could tell them is that my
grandfather, who I never met, researched the runestone back in the
1930s-1940s and took a lot of pictures, collected newspaper articles
and had correspondence with contemporary researchers, and made a
plaster cast of the runestone.  It's in my living room. All the papers
and notes were in a box in my garage. Lucky the mice didn't eat them!
And as for the treasure, it is now waiting in a pile next to my
scanner.  So far I've scanned in 5 photos and sent them to Scott.  100s
more to go. Neat stuff but very time consuming.
Jennifer


--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, "hilgren" <hilgren@...>
wrote:
>
> All smoke,,,no fire...no jen,,, no "treasure"...
> Hi chris,,,i have sent you mail offsite but i am not sure if it was
> rhe right address...
> did you get to listen to the oopa loopa show last evening with scott..
> William called in and questioned his take on the mooring stones?
>
> i wrote this to thor...
> The arguement about holland and the mooring stones scott makes is
> wrong...he has not visited many mooring stone sites and should reserve
> his conclusions and critizism of holland calling these
> "mooring stones" until he has.
>
> thanks
> steve
> --- In
>

All smoke,,,no fire...no jen,,, no "treasure"...
Hi chris,,,i have sent you mail offsite but i am not sure if it was
rhe right address...
did you get to listen to the oopa loopa show last evening with scott..
William called in and questioned his take on the mooring stones?

i wrote this to thor...
The arguement about holland and the mooring stones scott makes is
wrong...he has not visited many mooring stone sites and should reserve
his conclusions and critizism of holland calling these
"mooring stones" until he has.

thanks
steve
--- In

Hello Loopers!!

Here's your copy of the e~newsletter for the week of 22 October 2007


In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Exciting news about the KENSINGTON RUNE STONE!!

Op/Ed #4: Steve Garcia responds to Randy Koppang's Coneheads, (cont.)

Other news: Quite a few for "off-season"

Events

Last week's show: The Antiquarian Society Founder, Stuart Mason (NOT!!)


NEW FEATURE!!  Site of the week

Upcoming Shows
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This Week's Show:   Exciting news about the KENSINGTON RUNE STONE!!

Scott Wolter has recieved word of some long lost research materials on the
KRS!! He, David Brody, and the discoverer will discuss the importance of
this material.

The previous investigator, Dr. Rodney Beecher Harvey, collected extensive
research materials surrounding KRS. He spent some twenty years on the
subject and the entire collection, some in very delicate and threatened
condition, has been relocated. Dr. harvey was a plant physiologist and his
findings regarding the "leeching" of the tree roots are of vast importance
to the question of authenticity. Additionally, he made micrographs of each
character on the stone, substantiating that the characters are as they
appeared at the time he photographed them.

What does this all mean? Tune in this Thursday at 9 PM Eastern, 8 Central to
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Op/Ed #4: Steve Garcia responds to Randy Koppang's Coneheads (cont.) (this
addition recieved by email and used with permission)

What I did NOT say about Koppang's article (in Ancient Waterways Society ,
ed.), and was actually the trigger for me writing, was that, with all the
good he did by compiling all those sources, he then diverted from solid
research (IMO) and digressed over to an almost exclusively "sold"
presentation, arguing only from his one position, before he had completely
finished presenting his arguments.  He should have shown (again IMO, because
he seems to have the info at his disposal) more strongly that the likelihood
of the diffusion was impossible (which I think is true, too).  Yes, he
stated that, but then he takes off on it prematurely. like it had really
been established by his prior arguments.  If he thought that, I would
disagree; it was not established adequately - even though he is right, IMO.

Before he was done, he sounded like a New Ager.  I am an old New Ager, and I
know that that approach loses.  He could take a lesson from Michael Cremo.
Solid work and solid, no quantum leap, logic and conclusions are what will
make all "our" work worthwhile and win in the end.  The world simply is NOT
the way science and history now present it; it should not be allowed to
continue to exist and distort our true history and our true reality.

Still, I do not want to rain on Koppang's parade.  I learned a LOT from his
article, and am glad to have read it.  But some who might see value in it
will be completely alienated by his New Age references.  By that, I mean
academic types.

I am convinced that the "New Scientists", and "New Historians", otherwise
known as alternative researchers - in time - will not need academic types.
The academics have their Royal Society and their AAAS.  The Royal Society,
at least, was begun with the intent of requiring empirical proof of all
'science' presented.  Within a generation, however, it swerved toward
internecine politics, where it resides to this day, IMHO.  The AAAS is a
good old boy network, an exclusionary club.

New Scientists need to get to the roots of the early Royal Society.
Archaeology, history and science are now entrenched paradigm-toeing
establishments, and all three fields are based on past misperceptions and
dead ends - that they are simply too blindered to get out of, not without
help, at least.  New Scientists, however, do need to have standards of
their/our own, just as the Royal Society started out with.  Why did the
Royal Society see the need for empirical proof?  To battle the Church, which
used dogma fundamentally, and persuasion when necessary.  The RS needed to
establish itself with different principles.

In that same manner, New Scientists need to also establish itself with
different principles.  We all are convinced by the persuasion and
presentations of our New Scientist researchers, because we can agree with
their points about the inadequacies in establishment history and science and
archaeology.  In other words, the establishment has only convinced us that
there is something more out there than the Nova side of things and the
general pap-for-the-masses shows on The History Channel, with their endless
repetition of establishment dogmas.  We all know that the anomalous bits out
there have to be included in scientific theories, not swept under the
carpet.  If 'Science' and 'History' won't address those gaps, we (or our
researchers) will.

But in the process of doing so, standards much, much higher than Eric Von
Daniken and Charles Berlitz used have to be applied.  David Hatcher
Childress, for all his strengths, follows more along the lines of Von
Daniken and Berlitz, and that is okay for attracting people to our side.
But there has to be deeper, more exacting scholarship than David does (his
lack of indexes and, sometimes, footnotes, for example, to his published
books drives me crazy, and he knows it).  People have to be able to find
passages and sources.

But that is just part of it.

New Scientists and New Historians also need to present for more than just
the occasional dabbler.  There need to be standards, maybe even peer
review - though peer review is so abused in Science as to be defacto book
burning.  A search, at least some thought, needs to be done to find a way of
filtering out the silliness from the serious, the gullible from the open
minded.  Koppang has a mix of silliness and seriousness; the silliness drags
down the seriousness, making the article ripe for book burning.

I brought up to David the need for an Alternative Researcher Royal Society,
and I got no response from him, really.  I don't have any status as a
researcher, but I am quite well read and hold up with researchers quite well
at David's conferences.  (I can contribute points of view and devil's
advocacy, but am not capable of focusing enough to be a researcher in my own
right.  I envy those who can do that, but am not willing to give up my
jack-of-all-trades life to focus on one area.  If I didn't have to pay
bills, it might be different; then I could have 4 or 5 projects going at one
time.  But I do have another life, and I have to work within my reality.)

So, I read articles and books and can discern bull**** from solid work,
sometimes mixed all together in one work.  Koppang is a mixture, with some
real value and some real fluff.  All I myself do is opine.  At least he is
out there finding things out and bringing them to fruition, for all of us to
opine about.  So, I am down the pecking order from him.  But it doesn't stop
me from commenting, does it?  LOL

Steve
******************
I'll respond to Steve's comments in next week's edition.

And you can, too!! All op/ed and letters to the editor will be published
(editorial rights reserved for language -- see above)

Send submissions to oz@...
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Other News

a.. Alaskan tribes to receive prehistoric remains - 2 days agoHuman remains
estimated to be more than 10,000 years old that were found in a cave in the
Tongass National Forest (USA) rightfully belong to the southeast Alaska
Tlingit tribes,...

a.. End of excavations at Galabar Dam - 2 days agoArcheological excavations
behind Galabar dam in Zanjan province (Iran) wrapped up after four and half
months continual effort in the region. Discovering of more than 30 graves
and burial gifts...
a..
a.. Remains unearthed on a Welsh burial mound - 2 days agoThe Brownslade
Barrow Project 2004-06, run by the South Pembrokeshire Ranges Recording
Advisory Group (Wales), unearthed an archaeological monument on a Bronze Age
burial mound. More than 1000 bone fr...
a..
a.. 'National monuments' found on Irish hill - 2 days agoThe campaign by the
Irish Hill of Allen Action Group in relation to the quarrying of the hill by
Roadstone took a new twist last week, with the claim that...
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Events
THE PUZZLE OF THE NEWPORT TOWER: Assembling the Pieces

The First Symposium


10:00A.M.- 5:00 P.M. SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2007



NEWPORT ART MUSEUM

76 Bellevue Avenue, Newport Rhode Island 02840



Since space is limited, please phone Martha Tucker at (401)847-9755 for
reservations;

you may order a box lunch at the same time



The symposium is free; box lunches will be available for $9.50,

with a choice of Vegetable Wrap; and Turkey & Prosciutto, Ham & Swiss, and
Tuna Salad sandwiches

Many restaurants are nearby



PROGRAM


10:00 - 10:15 a.m.             WELCOME AND INTRODUCTION

                                     Jan Barstad, President,Chronognostic
Research Foundation, Tempe, AZ



10:15 - 11.00               ARCHITECTURE & CONSTRUCTION

OF THE NEWPORT TOWER

                                     Suzanne Carlson, Preservation Architect,
NEARA



11:15 - 11.45               ARCHAEOASTRONOMY OF THE NEWPORT TOWER

                                     Professor William Penhallow,
Charlestown, R.I.



11:45 - 12:00 p.m.            WHITTALL’S 20 POINTS: DVD of  a Presentation
at Orkney Science Festival, 1997, by James P. Whittall Jr., Early Sites
Research Society



12:00-1:30                   LUNCH



1:30 - 2:00                   DATING THE MORTAR

                                     Rob Carter, Physicist



2:00 - 2:45                   THE NEWPORT TOWER: MM&O

                                     Jan Barstad



2.45 - 3.30                   NEW LIGHT ON THE OLD PUZZLE

                                     Jim Egan, Professional Photography &
Digital, Providence, RI, NEARA



3:30 - 4:00                   SEARCHING FOR PROTOTYPES

                                     Suzanne Carlson



4:00 - 5:00                   PANEL and OPEN DISCUSSION

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Last week's show: The Antiquarian Society Founder, Stuart Mason





  Stuart Mason was the scheduled guest, but due to confusion over time zones,
he didn't make the interview. We'll catch up with Stuart at a later date.
Stuart is the founder of The Antiquarian Society. The hour consisted of my
and William's ad lib, mostly about the AAAPF / THOR conference, pyramid
theories, Wm's study of Ky sundials, and how poorly Skype performed for your
host.
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NEW FEATURE!!  Site of the week

I decided that one of the best ways to share my experiences in this
community is to share with the listeners some of the web sites that have
really made me think.

Here's one, put up by David Campbell, that has photos that really intrigue
me.

Anarchaeology.com

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November 4th: TBA

November 8th: Al Cornette discusses petroglyphs of Kentucky's Red River
Gorge and his book on the subject, The Sandstone Chronicles, Rock Art of the
Red River Gorge, an Appalachian Journey

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Also, Jenny, our group host, Mike Zalar, is currently
distracted by personal health complications between
both he and his wife, and doesn't check the mail as
often as he'd wish he had the time and energy to, of
late.

This new material is and will be of GREAT interest to
his own historical research of the KRS. Perhaps you
should contact him off-list at his personal e-mail...
check the yahoo-grp AR homepage. Or even send him a
snail postcard. Do you have his street address? It is
printed in the booklet he's been presenting around KRS
FAQ. Send me an offlist note here at this addy and i
can certainly fill you in with the info. He'd be
excited to be contacted about this new turn of events!
Chris P

--- hilgren <hilgren@...> wrote:

> hi jenny,, please don,t be disapointed at a lack of
> responce. it takes
> a lot to awaken members and generate a reply.
> I will be very interested and would also invite you
> to join my ancient
> viking yahoo group and post your material here too.
>
>
http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientVikingsAmerica/
>
> My area of focus is west central minnesota and i am
> building on a map
> and want to plot all the mooring stones and artiacts
> in this area...
> After the death of marion and the loss of his
> platbooks and list of
> the locations etc,,,and all material from his years
> of work is either
> lost or misplaced or unaccessible...this is so
> contrary to the wishes
> of the marion i knew,, so i am making an effort to
> continue his work..
>
> here is a link to scott wolters site:
>
http://www.kensingtonrunestone.com/default.aspx?msg=2
>
> thanks
> steve
>
>
>
> --- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com,
> "jennydj13" <jennydj13@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I finally found the box of photos, letters, old
> newspaper articles,
> > artifacts dealing with the Kensington Runestone
> that my Grandfather,
> > Dr. Rodney Beecher Harvey collected when he was
> doing his research.
> > (1930s - 1950s?)
> > Preliminary, lots of the farm photos, photos of
> him taking photos of
> > the stone, some core samples? some sort of mooring
> hole wooden stake,
> > old farmer photos?
> > These also include info and pictures of other
> runestones, hand written
> > letters....etc.
> > Also a ton of old negatives, most I think are good
> enough quality to
> > print from, but a lot in a very delicate
> condition. So does anybody
> > know of a historian in the Denver area who would
> be interested in doing
> > some photo printing?
> > Anything I think is strong enough to handle
> scanning, I'm going to put
> > up on a web site in the next week or so.
> > Scott, if you're monitoring these, give me a call
> or email me, I lost
> > your phone number.
> > Jennifer


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hi jenny,, please don,t be disapointed at a lack of responce. it takes
a lot to awaken members and generate a reply.
I will be very interested and would also invite you to join my ancient
viking yahoo group and post your material here too.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientVikingsAmerica/

My area of focus is west central minnesota and i am building on a map
and want to plot all the mooring stones and artiacts in this area...
After the death of marion and the loss of his platbooks and list of
the locations etc,,,and all material from his years of work is either
lost or misplaced or unaccessible...this is so contrary to the wishes
of the marion i knew,, so i am making an effort to continue his work..

here is a link to scott wolters site:
http://www.kensingtonrunestone.com/default.aspx?msg=2

thanks
steve



--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, "jennydj13" <jennydj13@...>
wrote:
>
> I finally found the box of photos, letters, old newspaper articles,
> artifacts dealing with the Kensington Runestone that my Grandfather,
> Dr. Rodney Beecher Harvey collected when he was doing his research.
> (1930s - 1950s?)
> Preliminary, lots of the farm photos, photos of him taking photos of
> the stone, some core samples? some sort of mooring hole wooden stake,
> old farmer photos?
> These also include info and pictures of other runestones, hand written
> letters....etc.
> Also a ton of old negatives, most I think are good enough quality to
> print from, but a lot in a very delicate condition. So does anybody
> know of a historian in the Denver area who would be interested in doing
> some photo printing?
> Anything I think is strong enough to handle scanning, I'm going to put
> up on a web site in the next week or so.
> Scott, if you're monitoring these, give me a call or email me, I lost
> your phone number.
> Jennifer
>