Hey everyone,,,the runestone story is on the history channel. It will air again
on october 14th at 10 and at 4. thanks
steve

the AVA; (more on runestones and all the other pieces to the puzzle.)

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientVikingsAmerica/

Hey,

My family is from OK, I just moved here a few months ago........biggest thing on
my list of stuff to do here is a road trip, maybe river trip. Is there anyone
else from this group that has better info on the old river systems/maps/contour
geo than I do?.......
I'm just now trying to link all the anomalies in the area to some kind of path
that makes sense.
The reasonably accepted weird stones/runes/rockart artifacts show a pretty
straight line, but I'm now playing connect the dots to find better places to
follow and go explore.
My best info on the area shows 11 pretty valid things worth a look at (that make
a line geographically) starting down in Heavener and going thru just north of
Tulsa. Call if you wish, Bill

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  8 B.C. - Roman poet Horace died.

1095 - Pope Urban II declares the First Crusade at the Council of Clermont.


1807 - The Portuguese Royal Family leaves Lisbon to escape from Napoleonic
troops

1863 - American Civil War: Confederate cavalry leader John Hunt Morgan and
several of his men escape the Ohio Penitentiary and return safely to the
South.

1868 - Indian Wars: Battle of Washita River - United States Army Lieutenant
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It's been a beautiful day here.
I began by winterizing the lawn mower, cleaned gutters, and other sundry
outdoor tasks today. Pat helped a lot, but was cooking most of the day.
Thanksgiving dinner for her family is like feeding an army. Or maybe a herd.

We went to Louisville Sunday and attended the Ancient Kentucky Historical
Association meeting, where Lee Pennington reported on our visit to Welsh
Caves and the AAPS Conference. I wanted to keep him honest. Actually, Lee
does a wonderful job at such things. I really just wanted to see the images
from Welsh Caves and fill in some things if needed. He didn't really need
me, but we had fun. I want to ghostwrite his autobiography...and write the
screenplay.


The View from Possum Holler,
A Chink in the Armor

When, in the overall process known as "the scientific method", a paper is
submitted for peer review, it is dissected to the nth degree. A misspelling
or mistaken word usage will be noted simply. But an error in planning, data
collection, data reduction, or a farfetched conclusion, no matter how well
supported by the data, will be met with resistance at best and derision in
the middle, with character assassination held as an ace in the hole. Any
paper that doesn't provide the first parts, i.e., hypothesis, observations,
tests, data, methods of verification, alternatives, and predictive
conclusions will be met with derision or be completely ignored. Credence of
an idea in these settings depends entirely on having each and every duckling
marching smartly in its place.

Einstein stated, "A problem properly defined is often half solved."

I am investigating a site on a tall, steep, and very rocky hill. I'm pretty
sure it is the former site of on over-shot wheel mill. All that remains,
however, is most of the dry-laid stone mill pond dam. The landowner brought
it to my attention in March of 2007 because of an article I did about old
walls and fortresses. Well, this site certainly appears to be old. The
stonework is mostly naturally surfaced with only the notch for the sluice
and a few of the larger stones showing signs of having been hewn. The local
histories have no mention of a mill here, though, and "history" and
"settlement" in this particular area is not much older than about 1820 and
earliest recorded exploration in 1792. Sites of other, "historic" mills in
the area have been researched and verified.

A fast flowing, clear, and cold spring erupts from a small cave in the
hillside at the right level to fill the mill pond and the stream from it
matches the size of the aqueduct or "sluice" notch very well. Other wall
segments are also on this property and a mound is very close by. Natural
features with names like "Devil's Elbow", "Old Man's Nose", and "Norman's
Bend" (named for an early settler family) are also close by as notable
features on the navigable river a half mile from the site. But this hill, as
I mentioned is very rocky, tall, and steep, so it wouldn't be easy to haul
grain up it to be milled. This bothered me for the better part of 18 months.
Why would anybody build a grist mill up there? It's too hard to get to it
and the good farmland is too far from it. If not a grist mill, then what?

So I started researching mills.

And I learned just how ignorant I really was regarding water powered mills.
Overshot, undershot, and turbine drives (thank you Archemedes), rotating,
reciprocating, and valve and piston "hydraulic" transmissions (that one was
downright ingenious and the forerunner to both steam and internal combustion
engines) are all documented at various times in history.  A horizontal wheel
with a vertical shaft is called a Greco wheel and a vertical wheel with a
horizontal shaft is called a Roman wheel (regardless of whether it is
overshot or undershot). The power generated by any of these mill designs
could be used for a multitude of industrial processes, not just grinding
grain. Most water powered sawmills used reciprocating transmissions and an
industrial sized crosscut saw to rip logs into dimension (rough sawn) lumber
and the more sophisticated ones had a rotational power takeoff to finish
(mill) the boards. One type of grist mill used reciprocating action to
"stamp mill" grain rather than grinding it on a millstone. Another
reciprocating design and the piston design were used as hammer mills (very
similar in principle to the "stamp" grain mills, but presumably much
stronger) to break up ore bearing rock.

Hmmm.

The Romans used a number of "reverse" overshot wheels to de-water mines.
Examples have been found in  Spain (silver mines, started by Hannibal), in
Wales (gold mine dated to at least 120 years before Claudius claimed
Britain), possibly a coal mine in Germany and, reportedly, a very rich gold
mine in Romania.

Water-powered wheels driving millstones were used for grinding grain by the
ancient Romans in places where ever their aqueducts delivered the water. And
they had a lot of aqueducts. They apparently doubled as a power grid.


  Reconstruction of a Roman water lifting machine found during excavations in
Aldersgate Street, London



Back at the mill site.

Old maps of the area show a nearby (seven or eight miles overland), long
abandoned town or place name of "Ironton", but no town (not even a
foundation) exists there now. Nor does any obvious iron ore bearing rock
appear there. There are many large pieces of native, light-colored sandstone
that have a vein of dark, reddish-black material running through them at the
mille site, however. I'll be collecting a sample for assay this weekend.

I will send the sample, wait for the results, then start forming a
hypothesis based on repeatable tests. Then I will devise tests to gauge the
worth of the hypothesis. If the hypothesis holds up to the tests and no
other possible explanations are found, I will make predictions and test the
predictions. If the predictions bear out, I'll have a working theory. Until
then, I have questions. March on, my ducklings.

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a.. Amateurs' prehistoric find draws top award - 2 days ago
a.. An amateur archaeological team from Datchet (Berkshire, England) have
been presented with a Highly Commended award at the British Museum for
uncovering a prehistoric settlement at Southlea Farm. For t...
a.. Ancient 'treasures' unearthed in Scotland - 2 days ago
a.. A 5,000-year-old axe head, a Bronze Age sword and mysterious carved
stone balls form part of Scotland's annual Treasure Trove, items found by
archaeologists or enthusiasts which have been handed.....
a.. Suffolk 'best for buried treasure' - 2 days ago
a.. Suffolk and Norfolk are among the best places to find buried treasure in
England, a new report has revealed. Hundreds of ancient objects have been
unearthed by metal detecting enthusiasts...
a.. 3,500-year-old weapon found in a Scottish burn - 2 days ago
a.. A Bronze Age spearhead which lay submerged in a burn for 3,500 years has
been discovered and handed to a museum. The spearhead was found wedged in a
rock crevice...
a.. Further details on the massive Welsh fort - 2 days ago
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  Nov. 29th, 2:00 PM  Falls of Ohio

           Africa

  It is one of the great ironies of archaeology that the country thought now
to be the very place where human history began would for many years be
considered  to have no real history of its own. From medieval times on, the
spectacular ruins of the southern African kingdom of great Zimbabwe could
not be accepted by European settlers as having been built by Africa’s native
people.

  European “experts” proposed instead that Zimbabwe was built by everyone
from wandering Phoenicians to the biblical Queen of Sheba, but certainly not
Africans.

   A different story has now emerged not only of the fabulous “lost city” of
Great Zimbabwe, but also of the amazing Swahili Coast, which was a thriving
trade center of  gold and ivory until the 16th century.

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our close relatives. From Sasquatch to Orang Pendat to Flores Island
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a.. 284 - Diocletian was chosen as Roman Emperor.
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a.. 762 - Bögü, Khan of the Uyghurs, conquers Lo-Yang, capital of the
Chinese Empire.
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a.. 1194 - Palermo is conquered by Emperor Henry VI.
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a.. 1407 - A truce between John the Fearless, Duke of Burgundy and Louis of
Valois, Duke of Orléans is agreed under the auspices of John, Duke of Berry.
Orléans would be assassinated three days later by Burgundy.
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a.. 1695 - Zumbi, the last of the leaders of Quilombo dos Palmares in early
Brazil, is executed.
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a.. 1700 - Great Northern War: Battle of Narva - King Charles XII of Sweden
defeats the army of Tsar Peter the Great at Narva.
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a.. 1789 - New Jersey becomes the first U.S. state to ratify the Bill of
Rights.
a..
a.. 1820 - An 80-ton sperm whale attacks the Essex (a whaling ship from
Nantucket, Massachusetts) 2,000 miles from the western coast of South
America (Herman Melville's 1851 novel Moby-Dick was in part inspired by this
story).
a..
a.. 1861 - Secession ordinance is filed by Kentucky's Confederate
government.
a..
a.. 1962 - Cuban Missile Crisis ends: In response to the Soviet Union
agreeing to remove its missiles from Cuba, U.S. President John F. Kennedy
ends the quarantine of the Caribbean nation.
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a.. 1984 - The SETI Institute is founded.
a..
a.. 1985 - Microsoft Windows 1.0 is released.
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a.. 1989 - Velvet Revolution: The number of protesters assembled in Prague,
Czechoslovakia swells from 200,000 the day before to an estimated
half-million.
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a.. 1992 - In England, a fire breaks out in the Private Chapel of Windsor
Castle, rages for 15 hours, and seriously damages the northwest side of the
building (an investigation found that the fire was ignited after a spotlight
came into contact with a curtain over an extended period).
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a.. 1993 - Savings and loan crisis: The United States Senate Ethics
Committee issues a stern censure of California senator Alan Cranston for his
"dealings" with savings-and-loan executive Charles Keating.


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Frost on the Pumpkin


As I write this, it's 21 degrees outside at Possum Holler. Have I mentioned
I'm a weather wuss? I like warmth, so this time of year I like being inside.
In years past, I enjoyed sitting by the wood heating stove or open
fireplace. Heck, I even enjoyed cutting the wood myself. My knees,
shoulders, and back have caused me to develop a different opinion of what's
enjoyable. Now I sit near the furnace duct and put on more layers.

I still enjoy an occasional fire outside, where I don't have to pack wood to
the basement and pack the ashes out again (and clean the chimney and spray
for bugs and pay more for insurance). Henry Ford advised to "Cut your own
firewood. You'll be warm twice".

Henry never knew about Denver's clean air statutes...or about "carbon
credits" or "global warming".  Henry would be appalled, I think. It makes
good economic sense to conserve, to recycle and to re-use (Henry sure didn't
have a problem with that one), but for a bunch of people to dictate whether
I'm warm or not is, well, dictatorial. Or maybe it's totalitarian, no
significant difference when you're cold. If I or anyone else is shivering,
it's criminal, a veritable crime against humanity to try to make money off
the desire to light a fire and use whatever fuel is readily available, be it
cordwood, crude oil, coal, camel dung, or cow chips.

I like science. I have a strong affinity for scientific method. I wish the
UN did. Study: UN Global Warming Forecast Violates Accepted Principles

The UN report on climate change was written around a desired outcome rather
than what the evidence supported. It was Bad science done by bad scientists
and worse politicians with the sole intended result of wringing more money
out of the world populace.

I think I'm gonna go kill a tree and fire up the stove...naw, I'll pick one
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tomb at Knowth in Meath (Ireland), part of Brú na Bóinne (Bend of...
a.. 5 walled cities from 300 BCE unearthed in India - 2 days ago Andhras
flourished much before the advent of the Satavahanas, and were said to be as
powerful as Mauryans. They had 30 fortified walled cities way back in 300
BCE, wrote...
a.. Vietnamese cave reveals relics and tombs from the Neolithic - 2 days ago
Archaeologists have finished the second phase of excavation at Phia Mun
Cave, Na Hang District in the province of Tuyen Quang (Viet Nam) and have
uncovered over 1,000 relics and...
a.. Archaeologists try to date the Brodgar megaliths on Orkney - 2 days ago
The Ring of Brodgar, the third largest standing stone circle in Britain and
the Ness of Brodgar, its accompanying settlement site, have been the focus
of an investigation funded by...
a.. 2,900 year old Phoenician remains unearthed in Lebanon - 2 days ago
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                         Lee Pennington update on trip to Welsh Caves in Ft.
Payne, AL.; update on the        Ancient American Conference in Marquette,
MI.

  Nov. 29th, 2:00 PM  Falls of Ohio

           Africa

  It is one of the great ironies of archaeology that the country thought now
to be the   very place where human history began would for many years be
considered  to have no real history of its own. From medieval times on, the
spectacular ruins of the southern African kingdom of great Zimbabwe could
not be accepted by European settlers as having been built by Africa’s native
people.

  European “experts” proposed instead that Zimbabwe was built by everyone
from wandering Phoenicians to the biblical Queen of Sheba, but certainly not
Africans.

   A different story has now emerged not only of the fabulous “lost city” of
Great Zimbabwe, but also of the amazing Swahili Coast, which was a thriving
trade center of  gold and ivory until the 16th century.

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This Day in History: 11 November



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Other news:  12,000-year-old shaman grave site found





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Today is Tuesday, Nov. 11, the 316th day of 2008. There are 50 days left in
the year. This is Veterans Day in the U.S., Remembrance Day in Canada.

Today's Highlight in History:

On Nov. 11, 1918, at 11AM, fighting in World War I came to an end with the
signing of an armistice between the Allies and Germany.

On this date:

In 1620, 41 Pilgrims aboard the Mayflower, then still anchored off
Massachusetts, signed a compact calling for a "body politick."

In 1831, former slave Nat Turner, who'd led a violent insurrection, was
executed in Jerusalem, Va.

In 1889, Washington became the 42nd state.

In 1918, the Second Polish Republic declared its independence.

In 1921, the remains of an unidentified American service member were
interred in the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery
in a ceremony presided over by President Harding.

In 1966, Gemini 12 blasted off from Cape Kennedy, Fla., with astronauts
James A. Lovell and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin Jr. aboard.

In 1968, the Republic of Maldvies was declared.

In 1983, President Reagan became the first U.S. chief executive to address
the Diet, Japan's national legislature.

In 2004, Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat died at a military hospital in
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a.. Did ancient Scots stop erecting monuments because of a climate change? -
3 days agoKilmartin Glen, in Argyll, has one of the most important
concentrations of Neolithic and Bronze Age remains in Europe. The glen
contains at least 350 ancient monuments, many of them...
a.. English Heritage Protection Bill could be axed - 3 days agoThe English
Heritage Protection Bill may not make it into the British Government's
parliamentary programme in 2009. Culture minister Andy Burnham has hinted
that the draft bill would be excluded.....
a.. Dig unearths ancient Turkish treasures - 3 days agoAbove ground, the
Istanbul suburb of Yenikapi is a normal, modern-day bustling port on the
Marmaris Sea. But beneath the waters, its newly discovered treasures are
rewriting the history books....
a.. Bronze Age village discovered in Romania - 3 days agoA village
established in the Bronze Age has been recently discovered near Zalau town,
northwestern Romania. The discovery was made following an archeological
excavation over a 2 square kilometer area....
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Payne, AL.; update on the        Ancient American Conference in Marquette,
MI.

  Nov. 29th, 2:00 PM  Falls of Ohio

           Africa

  It is one of the great ironies of archaeology that the country thought now
to be the   very place where human history began would for many years be
considered  to have no real history of its own. From medieval times on, the
spectacular ruins of the southern African kingdom of great Zimbabwe could
not be accepted by European settlers as having been built by Africa’s native
people.

  European “experts” proposed instead that Zimbabwe was built by everyone
from wandering Phoenicians to the biblical Queen of Sheba, but certainly not
Africans.

   A different story has now emerged not only of the fabulous “lost city” of
Great Zimbabwe, but also of the amazing Swahili Coast, which was a thriving
trade center of  gold and ivory until the 16th century.

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This Week's Show:  AAPS Re-Cap and announcing the Copper Trail Project



Op/Ed:  A New Dawn, A New Deal, or a Dead End?



This Day in History:   6 November



Possum Holler News:  A thumb lying on the table saw



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Now that the US election is over and the democratic party has their
"supermajority", what will it mean to archeology in general and difussion in
particular? Will it be a period of "change" as espoused by Obama the
candidate?



Another democrat, FDR, gave us Columbus Day to pacify the Italian American
lobby and after a few generations, only Columbus is recognised as sole
"discoverer" of the Americas, despite the fact that many maps extant long
before Columbus' voyages seem to depict or at least allude to the western
continents.



Will the US "change" its official attitude regarding other, earlier
explorers? Will it "change" the way funding for such research is allocated?
Not right away, so don't expect a big grant to investigate Prince Madoc real
soon. Mande speakers in Central America are a maybe, however.



What I predict will likely happen within the next two years:



   NAGPRA will be expanded and result in US domestic pre-historic archeology
coming to a virtual standstill. Historic archeology will either have to
absorb all those who now specialize in pre-historic archeology or those
folks will go elsewhere (either go to digs overseas or leave archeology
altogether).



   Marine archeologists will find themselves following rules devised by
UNESCO and those archeologists, salvors, and treasure hunters will only be
able to work under the direct supervision of a UNESCO -approved agent. They
all will have to pay the UN for that agent's "services". Any wrecks and
cargo salvaged in international waters will be the property of the UN with
up to 12% of the value for salvors' expenses. The UN will not require
curation, only financial record keeping. In other words, no one is going to
be anxious to explore any new wrecks. At least, not openly.



So that covers the immediate "change" for three different professions. What
about those of us who are armchair or avocational researchers? We just keep
doing what we do. The only up side is that all those out of work
archeologists may have more time and be more inclined to read our stuff. Now
THAT would be a change.







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1500: Nicolaus Copernicus observed a Lunar Eclipse while in Rome.


A former Illinois congressman, Abraham Lincoln, defeats three other
candidates for the presidency.
1861: Jefferson Davis is elected to a six-year term as president of the
Confederacy.
1869: The first intercollegiate soccer game is played (Rutgers 6, Princeton
4).
1917: Russian Bolshevik revolution begins.



1995: Pioneer 11 - USA Jupiter/Saturn Flyby - 259 kg - (April 6, 1973 -
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My dad severed his left thumb five hours before last week's show. My kudos
to the physician, Dr. Sopporum, she stitched it back rather nicely and the
color is fairly good. Then he reacted badly to the antibiotic. The thumb
looks good, but his eyes are still quite swollen. The prognosis is for
complete recovery. He now has a matched pair...same saw. Might be time for a
new hobby.

It's been great weather here this week, although it's clouding up now and a
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  Nov. 29th, 2:00 PM  Falls of Ohio

           Africa

  It is one of the great ironies of archaeology that the country thought now
to be the   very place where human history began would for many years be
considered  to have no real history of its own. From medieval times on, the
spectacular ruins of the southern African kingdom of great Zimbabwe could
not be accepted by European settlers as having been built by Africa’s native
people.

  European “experts” proposed instead that Zimbabwe was built by everyone
from wandering Phoenicians to the biblical Queen of Sheba, but certainly not
Africans.

   A different story has now emerged not only of the fabulous “lost city” of
Great Zimbabwe, but also of the amazing Swahili Coast, which was a thriving
trade center of  gold and ivory until the 16th century.

  After centuries of racial prejudice and neglect, the world has come to
realize the extraordinary achievements of Africa’s indigenous people




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Op/Ed:  Chris Again



This Day in History:



Special Entry: The Little People



Possum Holler News:  It was a dark and snowy night



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Amid  massive skepticism, academic denials, legal battles, and vitriolic
criticism, Sam Osmanagic continues to study and promote the Bosnian
pyramids. Having seen his presentation at the AAPS Conference, examined the
evidence presented on the various web pages, read most of the available
counterpoints, and having weighed the value of each, I decided to invite Sam
to talk directly to the OLC audience to let them make their own assessment.
A recent (23 September), bona fide archeological discovery in the immediate
vicinity adds fuel to the fire.





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Yes, I'm recycling and updating my very first editorial (from 2 October
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Good Ol' Chris
by Rick Osmon

Columbus, according to nearly all the history books, was the first to
discover what later became known as the "Americas". The facts that he never
set foot on either of the continents of the western hemisphere nor knew that
he hadn't reached "Cathay", (that is, he didn't even know where he was)
don't seem to matter to the historians. Not to take away from the fact that
he set out on a voyage that risked life and limb along with reputation, but
he didn't really make the great discovery he intended --a direct sailing
route to the Indies from the Iberian peninsula.

Monday, October 13th, 2008, the US Government, banks, schools, Postal
Service, and many other institutions once again recognized Chris'
accomplishments by observing a National Holiday. And that's fine, Chris
deserves recognition for his adventerous spirit. On the other hand, Hawaii
observed Discoverer's Day , South Dakoa observed Native American Day, and
Arizona ignored it all together.  The city of Berkeley celebrates Indigenous
People's Day instead of Columbus Day every year with a pow wow and Native
American market.

The first Columbus Day celebration was held in 1792, when New York City
celebrated the 300th anniversary of his landing in the New World. In 1892,
President Benjamin Harrison called upon the people of the United States to
celebrate Columbus Day on the 400th anniversary of the event.
Some Italian-Americans observe Columbus Day as a celebration of their
heritage, the first occasion being in New York City on October 12,
1866.[1][2] Columbus Day was first popularized as a holiday in the United
States through the lobbying of Angelo Noce, a first generation Italian, in
Denver. The first official non-centennial Columbus Day was decreed by
Colorado governor Jesse F. McDonald in 1905 and made state law in 1907.[3]
In April 1934, at the behest of the Knights of Columbus (a Roman Catholic
fraternal service organization named after Christopher Columbus), Congress
and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt set aside October 12 as Columbus
Day[4] and a Federal holiday.[5]

Since 1971, the holiday has been commemorated in the U.S. on the second
Monday in October, the same day as Thanksgiving in neighboring Canada. It is
generally observed today by banks, the bond market, the U.S. Postal Service
and other federal agencies, most state government offices, and many school
districts; however, most businesses and stock exchanges remain open.

What about all the other great explorers? Lewis and Clark, Magellan, Neil
Armstrong, Daniel Boone, Marco Polo, Andrew Perry, Fridtjof Nansen, Roald
Amundsen, Willem Barents, Henry Hudson, Eirick the Red and his son, Leif
Ericksen, Jabez Osmon, Jan Van Meteren, and all the others who "went
exploring" or settled in unsettled lands and thus opened new vistas for the
human race? Don't they deserve recognition? They, at least, usually knew
about where they were on the globe. Yes, I threw in a couple lesser knowns,
but they're my direct ancestors and this piece is all about honoring those
who went before all others so that the present and future generations could
know the world better than their predecessors did. I should also add that
geographical exploration isn't the only kind of exploration that deserves
honor and recognition: What Watson & Crick did for genetics, what Dr. Barry
Fell did for epigraphy, what Francis Kelly Johson did for aviation, and
countless others in countless professions and avocations should also be
equally honored.

The point is, why not honor ALL explorers instead of just the one? We used
to observe both Washington's Birthday and Lincolns Birthday (in quick
succession), but Congress consolidated those holidays into one called
"Presidents Day". By simply changing the name and making it a single
holiday, we honor all US presidents (even those we don't like) instead of
just a couple who had more than a footnote in world history. By making a
similar change to the holiday of early October, we can help change a
near-universal mindset. Many peoples, from many places, at many times came
to the western hemisphere and many people from here went elsewhere.
Convincing the world of that will require a first, little change, like the
name of a holiday, followed by another little change, and on and on.

Happy Explorers' Day.



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This Day in History:   ...October 30
701 John VI begins his reign as Catholic Pope
1270 8th & last crusade is launched
1864 Helena, Montana's capital, founded
1871 Phila Athletics beat Chicago for 1st Natl Assn baseball pennant
1888 1st ballpoint pen patented
1905 "October Manifesto" Russian Tsar Nicholas II grants civil liberties
1918 Slovakia asks for creation of Czechoslovakian state
1919 Baseball league presidents call for abolishment of the spitball
1922 Mussolini forms cabinet in Italy
1925 KUT-AM in Austin TX begins radio transmissions
1930 Turkey & Greece sign a treaty of friendship
1938 Orson Welles panics a nation with broadcast of "War of the Worlds"
1939 USSR & Germany agree on partitioning Poland
1941 USS Reuben James torpedoed by Germans, even though US is not in war
1944 Anne Frank (of Diary fame) is deported from Auschwitz to Belsen
1945 US government announces end of shoe rationing
1948 20 die & 6,000 made ill by smog in Donora Pennsylvania
1953 Dr Albert Schweitzer & Gen George C Marshall win Nobel Peace Prize
1954 Defense Department announces elimination of all segregated regiments







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The Little People
By Sally S. King
There have been stories and tales passed down through generations here on
Lookout Mountain about the Little People, a race of  folk who stand no
taller than a toddler and legend has it that the Men wear hooded clothing
woven from Animal fur and tiny acorn shoes on their feet and the ladies,
silken dresses spun from Spider webs.

The Native Americans called them the “Wee Ones” and they are said to live in
the hollows of trees or beneath the many rock formations in this mountain,
keeping warm fires and cooking their food in tiny clay pots.

Legends say that the Wee Ones would fashion small arrows of flint from the
flecks left by the Cherokee Warriors when they fashioned their weapons and
would hunt small animals such as squirrel, rabbit and chipmunk with them and
often, the hunters of the Cherokee Tribe would leave choice cuts of deer for
them near their dwellings. According to legend, the Wee One’s were an
ancient race who had walked these valley’s and mountains long before the
Cherokee or other Tribes came into being. It is said that they were
sometimes consulted in Council for advice and were highly revered
.
There are tales of the Wee Ones being mighty in courage and legend has it
that during the Indian Removal which began in or around 1832 in the
Territory of Wills Town, a group of soldiers were trying to capture a small
band of women and children who had hidden themselves away in a stand of rock
above the valley on the side of Lookout Mountain.

The soldiers came rushing up the side of the ridge toward the rocks shouting
and taunting the group to come out, threatening that they would start
shooting if they did not when suddenly, from every side, the men found
themselves tangled in a finely woven and very stout string that wrapped
itself around their feet and ankles like a spider’s web.  The soldiers began
to cry out in panic as one of them spied the small people racing about the
edge of the rocks and in the trees below them to tighten the snare.And then
the string was lit afire by one of the Wee Ones and the boots and trouser
legs of the soldiers began to flame and the whole of them ran away in terror
from the rocks and down into the valley again.

Stories continued about the Wee Ones up into the early Twentieth century
around the Village of Mentone, Alabama on Lookout Mountain when an old Woman
who lived in a stone cottage on the East Brow of the mountain began to
notice the disappearance of her Tomatoes and Sweet Peppers from her summer
vegetable garden and thought she had a problem with rabbits or coons.  She
put up a small fence to keep them away.  But one morning as she was gazing
out of her Kitchen window, having her morning coffee, she saw them. They
climbed the chicken wire fence and lept down into the garden.

There were two of them, both men, dressed in little green cloaks. One of
them carried a burlap sack and together, they helped themselves to a couple
of her ripest tomatoes and a small bell pepper.She stood watching in
astoundment as they climbed back over the fence and scurried off across the
yard toward the Brow and an outcrop of rock, where they disappeared.

The woman spent days watching for them again in the garden but did not see
them. Then she began leaving different types of food on a small saucer from
her pantry. For days, the saucer remained untouched but one morning as she
was watching from her window, she saw them come out. This time, there was a
woman and a child, dressed in little white smocks who hauled the food back
into the crack of the rock one piece at a time until it was gone.

Over the years, she became quite acquainted with them and like the legends
she had heard as a child, they were an ancient people who had lived on this
Mountain since time began. She claimed that many was the time she had shared
afternoon tea with them and even had made small dresses  for  the Woman  and
Girl.

She did not tell a soul of her little Garden Residents until she was on her
deathbed and was passing the Cottage on to her Daughter.  “Be careful of the
Little People…don’t run over them with your automobile or let the cat out in
the mornings…,” she’d whispered.

But of course the daughter thought this was just the ramblings of a dying
woman until she too saw them in her garden the next spring.

Do the Wee Ones still live in the hollow trees and rock crevices on Lookout
Mountain? You tell me.LV

Sally S. King, aka Gloria Sitz, writes from the Mentone Inn.

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I truly enjoyed the stay in Marquette for the AAPS Conference, then I drove
15 hours  -- some through very heavy and wet lake effect snow  -- to get
home for Pat's and my first wedding anniversery.



During the conference, I reaffirmed the male mantra: If at first you don't
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a.. UPDATE 9/4/2008 Show: Path to Paradigm Project  The PtoP is a
coordinated group effort to provide information & teaching materials to
educators emphasizing the explorations & cultural exchanges that took place
with America before Columbus. If you know any teachers of any grade or
level, please encourage them to listen to this one. Follow the slides at
http://www.frozentrail.org/manymod/Resources/preview.pdf or
http://www.frozentrail.org/manymod/Resources/preview.ppt

We did our first run-through of the overall project on Friday morning in
Marquette. We identified some weaknesses and strengths and developed a plan
of action to improve the product. The project participants are committed to
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Investigating pre-Columbian contact, lost races, ancient astronomy,
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Hi All,

Kathy Jacobs asked me to relay information about a newly revamped, important
resource, a website by Dr. Christine Pellech. In the period from 2000 to
2005 24 journals entitled "Migration & Diffusion - an international journal"
with 127 articles, written by 72 different authors, coming from 16 different
countries have been published.Most of these papers will be published on the
aforementioned website.

Here's the url: http://www.migration-diffusion.info/. I'm also adding it to
the links list for my show and those groups where I have those privelages.

Dr. Pellech was a speaker at last year's AAAPF (now AAPS) conference.

Enjoy




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On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 16:37:46 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>Eric,, We have many questions too and will be trying to find another whetstone
like this too.
>
>Today i was at the museum,,,
>
>first off,,,
>My first impression of the whetstone when i first found it was that it is more
modern  too.
>but,,
>If when i passed my metal detector over the whetstone at the runestone
museum,,, it had made no beeping sound,,,then we would not be having this
discussion.... end of story...
>
>BUT as soon as it beeped I knew i was right in my guess that it too had a rod
in it.. That rod should be very telling and so either they are both modern
whetstones or both ancient but they are identical .( and the rod ends are
visible on both)
>
>Today i was in to the museum for a closer inspection and was hoping to get a
better photo too. (i may have to buy a new camera to get that done)
>
>Both stones are exactly ten inches long and one and a quarter inches wide and
3/4 of an inch thick. they are dark gray and i can see a ridge type line running
end to end up the side of the whetstones. They are more obvious on the whetstone
at the museum.

This caught my attention.

You say "Both stones are EXACTLY ... " (emphasis mine).

If by 'exactly' you mean 'equal_to' by ordinary standards of precision
it raises the question of whether or not the stones were made by a
culture using the modern system of inch measurements and capable of
working to them with a commercial standard of precision. I would be
surprised if a product of a medieval culture would fall into this
category.

>
>My stone is more worn on one half and would be consistent with a right handed
guy sharpening a hand-sickle aka a sy. A local farm said his grand father
carried one with in the field when cutting grain. This was the portable unit
when the whetstone wheel was not available. I would agree that this would fit..
>
>This would also work well for a knife that a hunter would use to sharpen up
while gutting out his deer.
>
>This is a very remote area and finding anything so valuable here is way off
base and unlikely...but not impossible,,,but,,,and then have it be identical to
the one in the museum tooo,,,wooow. what odds? but still not impossible.
>
>Margrett Leuthner makes a reference to it in her movie for the shepards chapple
from 20 years ago. she also writes this about it in her book "crusade to
vinland" on page 29:
>
>"No person was found buried benieth the kensington runestone. However they did
bury the well worn sharpening stone they had used. A HONE so worn down by the
constant sharpening of chisels that it BROKE IN OHMANS HAND when he found it in
1899."
>
>WELL THEN,, ugg ,,, the whetstone at the museum was not for sharpening chisels
and it is not well worn either. and looks newer  or less worn than the one i
have found..
>,,,,ugg.
>
>also in a page from their files there is this:
>
>#78.3155 Knife sharpener... coarse carborundum 4/18/59 mrs. henry moen
>
>and then this
>"Nel flatten, a neighbor, was cutting brush on his own land a few rods away,
and he came over from time to time to see ohman pull down the trees. He saw  the
stone as soon as it was liberated from the roots that held it and also the
inscription. He brought the news to kensington, and before long the theory was
evolved that someone-  a rober, perhaps- must have buried a treasure there and
made some mystic marks on the stone to mark the spot. With ohmans permission, a
big hole ,seven feet deep and wide, was dug, but nothing was found but an
antique whetstone, so worn with use that it broke in two."
>
>SO THEN,, a bit of a different story,,, but clearly the whetstone at the museum
is not broken in two.. it is however cracked in two places. the cracks are tight
and are just hairline but do run completely around the stones shaft and it would
lead one to believe that it was broken.. The rod holds them together tight and
they must not have had any idea there was a rod in it.
>
>On the display the card says:
>Olaf Ohman discovered the runestone on his property in 1898. In 1899, olaf and
nels flatten, the neighbor, dug a hole seven feet wide and deep under the site
of the kensington runestone to look for artifacts or bodies. nothing was found
except this antique whetstone. It was so worn that it broke in to two pieces
when handled."
>
>so eric,, that is everything to date..
>
>i will work on getting good photos posted soon.
>
>thanks
>steve
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>--- On Sun, 9/14/08, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@...> wrote:
>From: Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@...>
>Subject: Re: [American Runestones] whetstone found
>To: americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com
>Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 3:35 PM
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>            On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:34:34 -0000, you wrote:
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>>hi all,,I have found a whetstone and need some help with it. I will
>
>>post photos in the next day or two. The whetstone is about the size of
>
>>a hammer handle and is 10 inches long. this artifact may be important
>
>>or may mean nothing but i am trying to find more information on
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>>whetstones.
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>>Last week while at the kensington runestone museum i was waiting for
>
>>julie, the director, and ron the archiver to get out of a meeting and
>
>>so took another look at the runestone and the dozen artifacts
>
>>displayed with the runestone. One of these other artifacts was a
>
>>whetstone that was the only other item found with the kensington
>
>>runestone. After olaf ohman found the runestone he and a neighbor went
>
>>back and dug a seven foot square hole under where the runestone had
>
>>been found in the roots of a tree and found a whetstone.
>
>
>
>That is very interesting! I have a number of books about the KRS and
>
>none of them mention Ohman going back and digging another hole, let
>
>alone him finding a whetstone! (Sorry about the exclamation marks but
>
>I am genuinely very surprised at this).
>
>
>
>Do you know if this mentioned anywhere?
>
>
>
>Has a geologist looked at the whetstone with an eye to determining
>
>what it is and where it may have come from?
>
>
>
>>
>
>>The whetstone i have i actually found last summer on the same day i
>
>>had just found another mooring stone. i had looked at it briefly and
>
>>though it to be more of a modern time and so put it in my backpack and
>
>>continued my search. i had pull the whetstone out at home and was
>
>>puzzled by a bit of a rod exposed that runs up the middle of the
>
>>whetstone. i had assumed that it had been repaired but was still very
>
>>amazed how they had gotten the rod into the stone.
>
>>
>
>>The whetstone i found is identical to the one ohman had found and i
>
>>also saw two hairline cracks running around his whetstone but it is
>
>>not chipped like mine. i then had the idea that there must be a rod in
>
>>this whetstone too and asked julie if she had more info on the
>
>>whetstone of ohmans. i told her of my whetstone and asked if i could
>
>>open the cases and take the whetstone of ohmans out and test it with
>
>>my metal dector for the presents of a rod too. ron and i did that test
>
>>on tuesday and it did detect the metal rod inside ohmans too.
>
>>
>
>>We took a few pictures of the whetstones together.
>
>>We are all excited about this new discovery and the many possible
>
>>implications. After an hour on the internet i have not found any
>
>>whetstones with a metal rod in them. this rod is about 3/32,s of an
>
>>inch in diameter and runs end to end. now that we have two of these
>
>>there must be more and possibily an explanation of how they made these
>
>>in addition to who made them and when these were made.
>
>>
>
>>Ohmans whetstone was brought to the museum in 1958. they are both gray
>
>>and 10 inches long and are a half to 3/4 of an inch thick. mine is
>
>>worn on one end and the crack around the middle has exposed a rusted
>
>>metal rod.
>
>>
>
>>If any one has more info on whetstones or has time to research them
>
>>your help or input would be very appreciated and perhaps you could
>
>>help solve this puzzle. Are they 600 years old or 60ty?
>
>>
>
>>I have limited internet at a local coffee shop here in northern
>
>>minnesota and so do not have a way to do good searches of the many
>
>>sites and museums that may have clues to solving this mystery stone.
>
>>i have no idea how they were made and are they made like a brick and
>
>>then dried or fired? or are they cut or chipped from a larger piece of
>
>>rock.,,,and just how did they ever get that rod in the stone?
>
>>
>
>>I see many whetstone were made in norway from the viking period until
>
>>present and they were a big exporter of them. this whetstone is soft
>
>>and sandstone like and feels like an 80 grit piece of sandpaper. the
>
>>vikings also had a superstition that they should leave something with
>
>>the runestones.( ?whetstone? )
>
>>
>
>>The kensington runestone is possibly the greatest artifact in north
>
>>america.. the archaeologist would say to be a great artifact it would
>
>>have to contain the 4 w,s. The who, when, where and why.
>
>>
>
>>the runestone says they are 8 goters and 22 norr in the year 1362.
>
>>they are on a journey of discovery to vinland. there then is also
>
>>directions that tell of them having lost ten men at a location a day
>
>>north from this runestone. this site has never been located but using
>
>>these directions i have been searching a small lake 20 or so miles
>
>>north of runestone hill that is at the source of the nearest river
>
>>that flowed past runestone hill. this is rural farm country and very
>
>>hilly and the lake has no cabins and homes and is only about ten feet
>
>>deep. it has 25 miles of shoreline and after two weeks of hiking
>
>>around the lake i had found two mooring stones and this whetstone.
>
>>
>
>>thanks
>
>>sincerely
>
>>steve
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
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>
>>
>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>
>
>Eric Stevens
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


Eric Stevens

Steve,

Please, send me a copy of the photos when completed.

Ray - coudi
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: STEVEN HILGREN
   To: americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 5:37 PM
   Subject: Re: [American Runestones] whetstone found


   Eric,, We have many questions too and will be trying to find another whetstone
like this too.

   Today i was at the museum,,,

   first off,,,
   My first impression of the whetstone when i first found it was that it is more
modern  too.
   but,,
   If when i passed my metal detector over the whetstone at the runestone
museum,,, it had made no beeping sound,,,then we would not be having this
discussion.... end of story...

   BUT as soon as it beeped I knew i was right in my guess that it too had a rod
in it.. That rod should be very telling and so either they are both modern
whetstones or both ancient but they are identical .( and the rod ends are
visible on both)

   Today i was in to the museum for a closer inspection and was hoping to get a
better photo too. (i may have to buy a new camera to get that done)

   Both stones are exactly ten inches long and one and a quarter inches wide and
3/4 of an inch thick. they are dark gray and i can see a ridge type line running
end to end up the side of the whetstones. They are more obvious on the whetstone
at the museum.

   My stone is more worn on one half and would be consistent with a right handed
guy sharpening a hand-sickle aka a sy. A local farm said his grand father
carried one with in the field when cutting grain. This was the portable unit
when the whetstone wheel was not available. I would agree that this would fit..

   This would also work well for a knife that a hunter would use to sharpen up
while gutting out his deer.

   This is a very remote area and finding anything so valuable here is way off
base and unlikely...but not impossible,,,but,,,and then have it be identical to
the one in the museum tooo,,,wooow. what odds? but still not impossible.

   Margrett Leuthner makes a reference to it in her movie for the shepards
chapple from 20 years ago. she also writes this about it in her book "crusade to
vinland" on page 29:

   "No person was found buried benieth the kensington runestone. However they did
bury the well worn sharpening stone they had used. A HONE so worn down by the
constant sharpening of chisels that it BROKE IN OHMANS HAND when he found it in
1899."

   WELL THEN,, ugg ,,, the whetstone at the museum was not for sharpening chisels
and it is not well worn either. and looks newer  or less worn than the one i
have found..
   ,,,,ugg.

   also in a page from their files there is this:

   #78.3155 Knife sharpener... coarse carborundum 4/18/59 mrs. henry moen

   and then this
   "Nel flatten, a neighbor, was cutting brush on his own land a few rods away,
and he came over from time to time to see ohman pull down the trees. He saw  the
stone as soon as it was liberated from the roots that held it and also the
inscription. He brought the news to kensington, and before long the theory was
evolved that someone-  a rober, perhaps- must have buried a treasure there and
made some mystic marks on the stone to mark the spot. With ohmans permission, a
big hole ,seven feet deep and wide, was dug, but nothing was found but an
antique whetstone, so worn with use that it broke in two."

   SO THEN,, a bit of a different story,,, but clearly the whetstone at the
museum is not broken in two.. it is however cracked in two places. the cracks
are tight and are just hairline but do run completely around the stones shaft
and it would lead one to believe that it was broken.. The rod holds them
together tight and they must not have had any idea there was a rod in it.

   On the display the card says:
   Olaf Ohman discovered the runestone on his property in 1898. In 1899, olaf and
nels flatten, the neighbor, dug a hole seven feet wide and deep under the site
of the kensington runestone to look for artifacts or bodies. nothing was found
except this antique whetstone. It was so worn that it broke in to two pieces
when handled."

   so eric,, that is everything to date..

   i will work on getting good photos posted soon.

   thanks
   steve

   --- On Sun, 9/14/08, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@...> wrote:
   From: Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@...>
   Subject: Re: [American Runestones] whetstone found
   To: americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com
   Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 3:35 PM

   On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:34:34 -0000, you wrote:

   >hi all,,I have found a whetstone and need some help with it. I will

   >post photos in the next day or two. The whetstone is about the size of

   >a hammer handle and is 10 inches long. this artifact may be important

   >or may mean nothing but i am trying to find more information on

   >whetstones.

   >

   >Last week while at the kensington runestone museum i was waiting for

   >julie, the director, and ron the archiver to get out of a meeting and

   >so took another look at the runestone and the dozen artifacts

   >displayed with the runestone. One of these other artifacts was a

   >whetstone that was the only other item found with the kensington

   >runestone. After olaf ohman found the runestone he and a neighbor went

   >back and dug a seven foot square hole under where the runestone had

   >been found in the roots of a tree and found a whetstone.

   That is very interesting! I have a number of books about the KRS and

   none of them mention Ohman going back and digging another hole, let

   alone him finding a whetstone! (Sorry about the exclamation marks but

   I am genuinely very surprised at this).

   Do you know if this mentioned anywhere?

   Has a geologist looked at the whetstone with an eye to determining

   what it is and where it may have come from?

   >

   >The whetstone i have i actually found last summer on the same day i

   >had just found another mooring stone. i had looked at it briefly and

   >though it to be more of a modern time and so put it in my backpack and

   >continued my search. i had pull the whetstone out at home and was

   >puzzled by a bit of a rod exposed that runs up the middle of the

   >whetstone. i had assumed that it had been repaired but was still very

   >amazed how they had gotten the rod into the stone.

   >

   >The whetstone i found is identical to the one ohman had found and i

   >also saw two hairline cracks running around his whetstone but it is

   >not chipped like mine. i then had the idea that there must be a rod in

   >this whetstone too and asked julie if she had more info on the

   >whetstone of ohmans. i told her of my whetstone and asked if i could

   >open the cases and take the whetstone of ohmans out and test it with

   >my metal dector for the presents of a rod too. ron and i did that test

   >on tuesday and it did detect the metal rod inside ohmans too.

   >

   >We took a few pictures of the whetstones together.

   >We are all excited about this new discovery and the many possible

   >implications. After an hour on the internet i have not found any

   >whetstones with a metal rod in them. this rod is about 3/32,s of an

   >inch in diameter and runs end to end. now that we have two of these

   >there must be more and possibily an explanation of how they made these

   >in addition to who made them and when these were made.

   >

   >Ohmans whetstone was brought to the museum in 1958. they are both gray

   >and 10 inches long and are a half to 3/4 of an inch thick. mine is

   >worn on one end and the crack around the middle has exposed a rusted

   >metal rod.

   >

   >If any one has more info on whetstones or has time to research them

   >your help or input would be very appreciated and perhaps you could

   >help solve this puzzle. Are they 600 years old or 60ty?

   >

   >I have limited internet at a local coffee shop here in northern

   >minnesota and so do not have a way to do good searches of the many

   >sites and museums that may have clues to solving this mystery stone.

   >i have no idea how they were made and are they made like a brick and

   >then dried or fired? or are they cut or chipped from a larger piece of

   >rock.,,,and just how did they ever get that rod in the stone?

   >

   >I see many whetstone were made in norway from the viking period until

   >present and they were a big exporter of them. this whetstone is soft

   >and sandstone like and feels like an 80 grit piece of sandpaper. the

   >vikings also had a superstition that they should leave something with

   >the runestones.( ?whetstone? )

   >

   >The kensington runestone is possibly the greatest artifact in north

   >america.. the archaeologist would say to be a great artifact it would

   >have to contain the 4 w,s. The who, when, where and why.

   >

   >the runestone says they are 8 goters and 22 norr in the year 1362.

   >they are on a journey of discovery to vinland. there then is also

   >directions that tell of them having lost ten men at a location a day

   >north from this runestone. this site has never been located but using

   >these directions i have been searching a small lake 20 or so miles

   >north of runestone hill that is at the source of the nearest river

   >that flowed past runestone hill. this is rural farm country and very

   >hilly and the lake has no cabins and homes and is only about ten feet

   >deep. it has 25 miles of shoreline and after two weeks of hiking

   >around the lake i had found two mooring stones and this whetstone.

   >

   >thanks

   >sincerely

   >steve

   >

   >

   >

   >----------- --------- --------- -------

   >

   >Yahoo! Groups Links

   >

   >

   >

   Eric Stevens











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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Eric,, We have many questions too and will be trying to find another whetstone
like this too.

Today i was at the museum,,,

first off,,,
My first impression of the whetstone when i first found it was that it is more
modern  too.
but,,
If when i passed my metal detector over the whetstone at the runestone museum,,,
it had made no beeping sound,,,then we would not be having this discussion....
end of story...

BUT as soon as it beeped I knew i was right in my guess that it too had a rod in
it.. That rod should be very telling and so either they are both modern
whetstones or both ancient but they are identical .( and the rod ends are
visible on both)

Today i was in to the museum for a closer inspection and was hoping to get a
better photo too. (i may have to buy a new camera to get that done)

Both stones are exactly ten inches long and one and a quarter inches wide and
3/4 of an inch thick. they are dark gray and i can see a ridge type line running
end to end up the side of the whetstones. They are more obvious on the whetstone
at the museum.

My stone is more worn on one half and would be consistent with a right handed
guy sharpening a hand-sickle aka a sy. A local farm said his grand father
carried one with in the field when cutting grain. This was the portable unit
when the whetstone wheel was not available. I would agree that this would fit..

This would also work well for a knife that a hunter would use to sharpen up
while gutting out his deer.

This is a very remote area and finding anything so valuable here is way off base
and unlikely...but not impossible,,,but,,,and then have it be identical to the
one in the museum tooo,,,wooow. what odds? but still not impossible.

Margrett Leuthner makes a reference to it in her movie for the shepards chapple
from 20 years ago. she also writes this about it in her book "crusade to
vinland" on page 29:

"No person was found buried benieth the kensington runestone. However they did
bury the well worn sharpening stone they had used. A HONE so worn down by the
constant sharpening of chisels that it BROKE IN OHMANS HAND when he found it in
1899."

WELL THEN,, ugg ,,, the whetstone at the museum was not for sharpening chisels
and it is not well worn either. and looks newer  or less worn than the one i
have found..
,,,,ugg.

also in a page from their files there is this:

#78.3155 Knife sharpener... coarse carborundum 4/18/59 mrs. henry moen

and then this
"Nel flatten, a neighbor, was cutting brush on his own land a few rods away, and
he came over from time to time to see ohman pull down the trees. He saw  the
stone as soon as it was liberated from the roots that held it and also the
inscription. He brought the news to kensington, and before long the theory was
evolved that someone-  a rober, perhaps- must have buried a treasure there and
made some mystic marks on the stone to mark the spot. With ohmans permission, a
big hole ,seven feet deep and wide, was dug, but nothing was found but an
antique whetstone, so worn with use that it broke in two."

SO THEN,, a bit of a different story,,, but clearly the whetstone at the museum
is not broken in two.. it is however cracked in two places. the cracks are tight
and are just hairline but do run completely around the stones shaft and it would
lead one to believe that it was broken.. The rod holds them together tight and
they must not have had any idea there was a rod in it.

On the display the card says:
Olaf Ohman discovered the runestone on his property in 1898. In 1899, olaf and
nels flatten, the neighbor, dug a hole seven feet wide and deep under the site
of the kensington runestone to look for artifacts or bodies. nothing was found
except this antique whetstone. It was so worn that it broke in to two pieces
when handled."

so eric,, that is everything to date..

i will work on getting good photos posted soon.

thanks
steve





--- On Sun, 9/14/08, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@...> wrote:
From: Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@...>
Subject: Re: [American Runestones] whetstone found
To: americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 14, 2008, 3:35 PM











             On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:34:34 -0000, you wrote:



>hi all,,I have found a whetstone and need some help with it. I will

>post photos in the next day or two. The whetstone is about the size of

>a hammer handle and is 10 inches long. this artifact may be important

>or may mean nothing but i am trying to find more information on

>whetstones.

>

>Last week while at the kensington runestone museum i was waiting for

>julie, the director, and ron the archiver to get out of a meeting and

>so took another look at the runestone and the dozen artifacts

>displayed with the runestone. One of these other artifacts was a

>whetstone that was the only other item found with the kensington

>runestone. After olaf ohman found the runestone he and a neighbor went

>back and dug a seven foot square hole under where the runestone had

>been found in the roots of a tree and found a whetstone.



That is very interesting! I have a number of books about the KRS and

none of them mention Ohman going back and digging another hole, let

alone him finding a whetstone! (Sorry about the exclamation marks but

I am genuinely very surprised at this).



Do you know if this mentioned anywhere?



Has a geologist looked at the whetstone with an eye to determining

what it is and where it may have come from?



>

>The whetstone i have i actually found last summer on the same day i

>had just found another mooring stone. i had looked at it briefly and

>though it to be more of a modern time and so put it in my backpack and

>continued my search. i had pull the whetstone out at home and was

>puzzled by a bit of a rod exposed that runs up the middle of the

>whetstone. i had assumed that it had been repaired but was still very

>amazed how they had gotten the rod into the stone.

>

>The whetstone i found is identical to the one ohman had found and i

>also saw two hairline cracks running around his whetstone but it is

>not chipped like mine. i then had the idea that there must be a rod in

>this whetstone too and asked julie if she had more info on the

>whetstone of ohmans. i told her of my whetstone and asked if i could

>open the cases and take the whetstone of ohmans out and test it with

>my metal dector for the presents of a rod too. ron and i did that test

>on tuesday and it did detect the metal rod inside ohmans too.

>

>We took a few pictures of the whetstones together.

>We are all excited about this new discovery and the many possible

>implications. After an hour on the internet i have not found any

>whetstones with a metal rod in them. this rod is about 3/32,s of an

>inch in diameter and runs end to end. now that we have two of these

>there must be more and possibily an explanation of how they made these

>in addition to who made them and when these were made.

>

>Ohmans whetstone was brought to the museum in 1958. they are both gray

>and 10 inches long and are a half to 3/4 of an inch thick. mine is

>worn on one end and the crack around the middle has exposed a rusted

>metal rod.

>

>If any one has more info on whetstones or has time to research them

>your help or input would be very appreciated and perhaps you could

>help solve this puzzle. Are they 600 years old or 60ty?

>

>I have limited internet at a local coffee shop here in northern

>minnesota and so do not have a way to do good searches of the many

>sites and museums that may have clues to solving this mystery stone.

>i have no idea how they were made and are they made like a brick and

>then dried or fired? or are they cut or chipped from a larger piece of

>rock.,,,and just how did they ever get that rod in the stone?

>

>I see many whetstone were made in norway from the viking period until

>present and they were a big exporter of them. this whetstone is soft

>and sandstone like and feels like an 80 grit piece of sandpaper. the

>vikings also had a superstition that they should leave something with

>the runestones.( ?whetstone? )

>

>The kensington runestone is possibly the greatest artifact in north

>america.. the archaeologist would say to be a great artifact it would

>have to contain the 4 w,s. The who, when, where and why.

>

>the runestone says they are 8 goters and 22 norr in the year 1362.

>they are on a journey of discovery to vinland. there then is also

>directions that tell of them having lost ten men at a location a day

>north from this runestone. this site has never been located but using

>these directions i have been searching a small lake 20 or so miles

>north of runestone hill that is at the source of the nearest river

>that flowed past runestone hill. this is rural farm country and very

>hilly and the lake has no cabins and homes and is only about ten feet

>deep. it has 25 miles of shoreline and after two weeks of hiking

>around the lake i had found two mooring stones and this whetstone.

>

>thanks

>sincerely

>steve

>

>

>

>----------- --------- --------- -------

>

>Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>



Eric Stevens



























[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 17:34:34 -0000, you wrote:

>hi all,,I have found a whetstone and need some help with it. I will
>post photos in the next day or two. The whetstone is about the size of
>a hammer handle and is 10 inches long. this artifact may be important
>or may mean nothing but i am trying to find more information on
>whetstones.
>
>Last week while at the kensington runestone museum i was waiting for
>julie, the director, and ron the archiver to get out of a meeting and
>so took another look at the runestone and the dozen artifacts
>displayed with the runestone. One of these other artifacts was a
>whetstone that was the only other item found with the kensington
>runestone. After olaf ohman found the runestone he and a neighbor went
>back and dug a seven foot square hole under where the runestone had
>been found in the roots of a tree and found a whetstone.

That is very interesting! I have a number of books about the KRS and
none of them mention Ohman going back and digging another hole, let
alone him finding a whetstone! (Sorry about the exclamation marks but
I am genuinely very surprised at this).

Do you know if this mentioned anywhere?

Has a geologist looked at the whetstone with an eye to determining
what it is and where it may have come from?

>
>The whetstone i have i actually found last summer on the same day i
>had just found another mooring stone. i had looked at it briefly and
>though it to be more of a modern time and so put it in my backpack and
>continued my search. i had pull the whetstone out at home and was
>puzzled by a bit of a rod exposed that runs up the middle of the
>whetstone. i had assumed that it had been repaired but was still very
>amazed how they had gotten the rod into the stone.
>
>The whetstone i found is identical to the one ohman had found and i
>also saw two hairline cracks running around his whetstone but it is
>not chipped like mine. i then had the idea that there must be a rod in
>this whetstone too and asked julie if she had more info on the
>whetstone of ohmans. i told her of my whetstone and asked if i could
>open the cases and take the whetstone of ohmans out and test it with
>my metal dector for the presents of a rod too. ron and i did that test
>on tuesday and it did detect the metal rod inside ohmans too.
>
>We took a few pictures of the whetstones together.
>We are all excited about this new discovery and the many possible
>implications. After an hour on the internet i have not found any
>whetstones with a metal rod in them. this rod is about 3/32,s of an
>inch in diameter and runs end to end. now that we have two of these
>there must be more and possibily an explanation of how they made these
>in addition to who made them and when these were made.
>
>Ohmans whetstone was brought to the museum in 1958. they are both gray
>and 10 inches long and are a half to 3/4 of an inch thick. mine is
>worn on one end and the crack around the middle has exposed a rusted
>metal rod.
>
>If any one has more info on whetstones or has time to research them
>your help or input would be very appreciated and perhaps you could
>help solve this puzzle. Are they 600 years old or 60ty?
>
>I have limited internet at a local coffee shop here in northern
>minnesota and so do not have a way to do good searches of the many
>sites and museums that may have clues to solving this mystery stone.
>i have no idea how they were made and are they made like a brick and
>then dried or fired? or are they cut or chipped from a larger piece of
>rock.,,,and just how did they ever get that rod in the stone?
>
>I see many whetstone were made in norway from the viking period until
>present and they were a big exporter of them. this whetstone is soft
>and sandstone like and feels like an 80 grit piece of sandpaper. the
>vikings also had a superstition that they should leave something with
>the runestones.(?whetstone?)
>
>The kensington runestone is possibly the greatest artifact in north
>america.. the archaeologist would say to be a great artifact it would
>have to contain the 4 w,s. The who, when, where and why.
>
>the runestone says they are 8 goters and 22 norr in the year 1362.
>they are on a journey of discovery to vinland. there then is also
>directions that tell of them having lost ten men at a location a day
>north from this runestone. this site has never been located but using
>these directions i have been searching a small lake 20 or so miles
>north of runestone hill that is at the source of the nearest river
>that flowed past runestone hill. this is rural farm country and very
>hilly and the lake has no cabins and homes and is only about ten feet
>deep. it has 25 miles of shoreline and after two weeks of hiking
>around the lake i had found two mooring stones and this whetstone.
>
>thanks
>sincerely
>steve
>
>
>
>------------------------------------
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>


Eric Stevens

hi all,,I have found a whetstone and need some help with it. I will
post photos in the next day or two. The whetstone is about the size of
a hammer handle and is 10 inches long. this artifact may be important
or may mean nothing but i am trying to find more information on
whetstones.

Last week while at the kensington runestone museum i was waiting for
julie, the director, and ron the archiver to get out of a meeting and
so took another look at the runestone and the dozen artifacts
displayed with the runestone. One of these other artifacts was a
whetstone that was the only other item found with the kensington
runestone. After olaf ohman found the runestone he and a neighbor went
back and dug a seven foot square hole under where the runestone had
been found in the roots of a tree and found a whetstone.

The whetstone i have i actually found last summer on the same day i
had just found another mooring stone. i had looked at it briefly and
though it to be more of a modern time and so put it in my backpack and
continued my search. i had pull the whetstone out at home and was
puzzled by a bit of a rod exposed that runs up the middle of the
whetstone. i had assumed that it had been repaired but was still very
amazed how they had gotten the rod into the stone.

The whetstone i found is identical to the one ohman had found and i
also saw two hairline cracks running around his whetstone but it is
not chipped like mine. i then had the idea that there must be a rod in
this whetstone too and asked julie if she had more info on the
whetstone of ohmans. i told her of my whetstone and asked if i could
open the cases and take the whetstone of ohmans out and test it with
my metal dector for the presents of a rod too. ron and i did that test
on tuesday and it did detect the metal rod inside ohmans too.

We took a few pictures of the whetstones together.
We are all excited about this new discovery and the many possible
implications. After an hour on the internet i have not found any
whetstones with a metal rod in them. this rod is about 3/32,s of an
inch in diameter and runs end to end. now that we have two of these
there must be more and possibily an explanation of how they made these
in addition to who made them and when these were made.

Ohmans whetstone was brought to the museum in 1958. they are both gray
and 10 inches long and are a half to 3/4 of an inch thick. mine is
worn on one end and the crack around the middle has exposed a rusted
metal rod.

If any one has more info on whetstones or has time to research them
your help or input would be very appreciated and perhaps you could
help solve this puzzle. Are they 600 years old or 60ty?

I have limited internet at a local coffee shop here in northern
minnesota and so do not have a way to do good searches of the many
sites and museums that may have clues to solving this mystery stone.
i have no idea how they were made and are they made like a brick and
then dried or fired? or are they cut or chipped from a larger piece of
rock.,,,and just how did they ever get that rod in the stone?

I see many whetstone were made in norway from the viking period until
present and they were a big exporter of them. this whetstone is soft
and sandstone like and feels like an 80 grit piece of sandpaper. the
vikings also had a superstition that they should leave something with
the runestones.(?whetstone?)

The kensington runestone is possibly the greatest artifact in north
america.. the archaeologist would say to be a great artifact it would
have to contain the 4 w,s. The who, when, where and why.

the runestone says they are 8 goters and 22 norr in the year 1362.
they are on a journey of discovery to vinland. there then is also
directions that tell of them having lost ten men at a location a day
north from this runestone. this site has never been located but using
these directions i have been searching a small lake 20 or so miles
north of runestone hill that is at the source of the nearest river
that flowed past runestone hill. this is rural farm country and very
hilly and the lake has no cabins and homes and is only about ten feet
deep. it has 25 miles of shoreline and after two weeks of hiking
around the lake i had found two mooring stones and this whetstone.

thanks
sincerely
steve

Steve
  Attached is some testing links.
William

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Gregg Kleinberg <microscopeman@...> wrote:

From: Gregg Kleinberg <microscopeman@...>
Subject: Re: [Antiquities_Science] non-destructive testing
To: Antiquities_Science@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 9:05 AM







Very good, Ernst,
 
True - the field of NDT (Non-Destructive Testing) has really blossomed in the
last 20 years, especially when the issue of aging aircraft came to the surface. 
Ultrasonics, X-ray, and portable optical microscopy are all common techniques
found in aerospace inspection - find the problem while it is small and unseen,
before it becomes catastrophic.
 
You will also find these tools in heavy industry, manufacturing, and commonly at
power plants (nuclear - gas - coal), for maintenance operations.
 
For additional further information, visit the ASNT (American Society for
Non-Destructive Testing) website at http://www.asnt. org/ .
 
Good luck,
 
Gregg
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Ernst Pernicka
To: Antiquities_ Science@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:42 PM
Subject: [Antiquities_ Science] non-destructive testing



Chris,

I have not much experience with ultrasonic testing but certainly a far
better method is 3D scanning with an X-ray beam (X-ray tomography of
materials). The resolution is a few micrometers and you can test e.g.
a whole motor block. These instruments are not really around
everywhere, but we have access to one for scientifically interesting
problems. If you want to know more:

http://www.iis. fraunhofer. de/EN/bf/ xrt/tech/ ct.jsp

Best wishes, Ernst


















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hi all,, alice kehoe will be speaking at the runestone museum tuesday
september 9th at 1 o,clock..
the flier says that she is an author and anthropologist and will give
a lively interpretation of her version of the discovery of the runestone..
thanks
see ya there
steve

Hi Everyone
 
I am posting this because if you have an interest in the Kensington Runestone
and runic in general then you should know this. I hope you enjoy it.
 
Mark Johnson
 
The world was first informed of the Kensington Runestone In 1898. It is a Viking
artifact that was found near the town of Kensington Minnesota which has given it
it¢s name. Their has been much speculation about whether the stone is genuine or
fake. The controversy continues up to this day.
 
My initial approach to studying this inscription was through the Runic alphabet
known as Futhark. The theory I proposed was to put the use of the alphabet into
the proper time context since over time the Runic alphabet ¡Futhark¢ had
experienced modification going from an ideogram expression to an alphabetical
construction as it was influenced by the European societies the Norsemen came
into contact with.
 
In 1362, the date given by the carvers of the stone, Runic had already
experienced the transition into alphabet form. However it was still used by the
carvers in the original ideogram format with an over lay of the alphabet
incarnation. The result being that there are 2 stories in this inscription. One
read from left to right and crudely decipherable in Norwegian alphabet form and
the other read from right to left and articulately decipherable in the ancient
ideogram format.




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hi mark,, please check out the ancient vikings in america yahoo site
too and please join and post your site info.
i have sent you a e-mail too.

good job. thanks
steve

i hope everyone is having a great summer. we have found 4 new mooring
stones and a coin has been found too.more on that when we know more too.

  http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/AncientVikingsAmerica/


--- In americanrunestones@yahoogroups.com, Mark Johnson
<mrkejohnson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi again
>
> Sorry the site is www.kensingtonrunestone.net
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hi again
 
Sorry the site is www.kensingtonrunestone.net
 
Mark




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Hi
 
Thank you for your open mindedness, I am a Runemaster with an education in
research for Psychology. I have made a discovery concerning the Kensington
Runestone and runic in general. If my dictionary can be used to read other runes
it would be the equivalent of the Rosetta stone for runic. Please take a moment
to look at a website I have made. www.kensingtonrunestone.net, thank you and
please if you have any thoughts at all about what I have found I want to read
them.
 
I am ready to chat.
 
Mark




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Today is Thursday, July 17, the 199th day of 2008. There are 167 days left
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Today's Highlight in History:
On July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800, a Paris-bound Boeing 747, exploded and
crashed off Long Island, N.Y., shortly after leaving John F. Kennedy
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On this date:

In 1821, Spain ceded Florida to the United States.

In 1841, the British humor magazine Punch was first published.

In 1918, Russia's Czar Nicholas II and his family were executed by the
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In 1938, aviator Douglas Corrigan took off from New York, saying he was
headed for California; he ended up in Ireland, supposedly by accident,
earning the nickname "Wrong Way Corrigan."

In 1944, 322 people were killed when a pair of ammunition ships exploded in
Port Chicago, Calif.

In 1948, Southern Democrats opposed to the nomination of President Truman
met in Birmingham, Ala., to endorse South Carolina Gov. Strom Thurmond.

In 1955, Disneyland opened to the public in Anaheim, Calif.

In 1968, a coup in Iraq returned the Baath Party to power, five years after
it was ousted.

In 1975, an Apollo spaceship docked with a Soyuz spacecraft in orbit in the
first superpower linkup of its kind.

In 1981, 114 people were killed when a pair of walkways above the lobby of
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Dear Oz,

The diffusion database has changed enough toward our so-called position to
warrant some objective  rather than simply interpretive conclusions about
which paradigm here is correct.

Matters of interpretation, in scholarly circles occasionally contend with
matters of policy, both scholarly group policy and  overarching governmental
policy.

When the policy is supported  or certified by illegal and invasive
behavior-enough, there is often a main threat seen as coming from
dissidents, either to an elite group having some  Mega-cultural power or
authority, or to more than one.

Both the reasons for our ideas-only threat to others and someone or others'
illegal and invasive responses need to be documented as part of the ordinary
ongoing  shift or change of paradigm, which is just beginning to change.

Discussion:

The idea that Carthage contacted  the New World  about 360-320 BC is
indicated  by a main, several times copied,  Classical literary-historical
text, as well as by coins databases and inscriptions.

The database here is better than an interpretive matter, but not good enough
to be pier-reviewed, clearly.

But its objective reality-possibly status may be mitigated in a pier-review
sense by a fact or a system that is not just about scholarly
re-interpretations.

This is what Farley meant by using the title, "Plain Sight."

I had a high-school pal who would indicated that something was clearly good
and genuine, by saying, "It is intuitively obvious to the most casual
observer,'
This usually means, "In plain sight as true."

But pier-review is supposed to adjudicate, only for publication, what is
ether probable or "Reasonably possible.''

That from Cadez-Huelva text, copied or partly copied and further interpreted
by several Classical period scholars must clearly be re-interpreted, and the
coins and inscriptions database must be interpreted anew and checked by a
pier reviewer, before reasonable publication.

Right now, the subject-itself of any  related-submitted  paper would not
"Go" with any American pier reviewer, which is patently not-rational or ok
anymore, objectively but not in a USA scholarly sense. This ceases to be
merely an interpretive issue, unless the pier reviewer is in a very unlikely
for now manner, interpreting the usefulness, for all other USA scholars the
subject itself.

We think that the possibility of the 4th century BC Carthaginian contact
with South America at least, is better than merely 'Interpretable" now. But
not much, since its subject matter is also itself, widely banned as ok to
published about by regular university employed scholars..

You point out that the Sasquatch database seems even more controversial, and
has been or become part of a set of academic threats, including
shunning-avoidance,  and threats of censure,  against a tenured PHD scholar
who has interpreted his databases as probably real also.

There is a partial-remedial for scholars promoting the genuineness of many
of these subjects, which includes an "Ancient Mysteries" label and a
"Big-Deal TV look at"-and then a well-selling book or books, But these
categorizations, in the USA,  insure a partial to most-of-it  shut-down for
the scholar-involved's regular career.

You also state that the main criticisms,  proposals to Censure, etc. have
come mostly from scholars regularly using other, not-closely-related
database-ing systems.

Fingerhut, publishing in 1994, wrote a critical, long monograph essay on all
scholars he could find then writing about diffusion beyond, "Same Continent
interactions."

He declared one such database-only! as reasonable and "Minimally-probable."
This was the Whittall-Mcglone database [1989-91] on Eurasian materials,
dating about 300-700 AD, and being found in several cavite sites in So.
Colorado. Subsequent to this publication,  a shift in dating of some of
these materials was proposed by DH Kelley and by some diffusionists, with
their using  dating from a new then Pattinnation dating technique being
experimented  with by an ASU Dept, Anthropology scholar.

This Pattinnation dating technique was rejected as useful formally by a
committee of U of A-LTRR and ASU investigators, and by the proposing-scholar
himself, by 1994. The erroneous dates continued to be promoted and used by
two diffusionist-workers, until last year.

Fingerhut [1994] also found that only one main, very-well- reputated
scholar, David Humiston Kelley, had regularly and in a non-one-time basis
published  positively about Trans-Continental, mostly Trans-Oceanic
Diffusion, before Columbus, but actually before about 1412 AD-when Bristol
traders began to interact with the western Atlantic. This finding by
Fingerhut was in error.  About 7 main tenured University-employed scholars
had published positively and substantively on trans-Atlantic diffusion.

Fingerhut then labeled Kelley a, "Rogue Scholar,'' writing a short essay
included in his monograph describing Kelley's allegedly "Rogue" behaviors,
and about why and how such scholars go, "Rogue."

Fingerhut was later Censured for publishing this set of labels-descriptions.
Normally, Censures are not proposed for just writing about, publishing about
a seen as very unlikely or wrong idea.

---------------------------------------------

! was involved in looking into the Pattinnation technique, not due to being
part of any committee, but due to my having become interested, for the first
time, in the diffusion controversy-in 1992, and being asked to by Bill
Mcglone. I talked extensively to two U of A-LTRR scholars, both of whom I
knew, about their negative findings-and reported back to Bill, and to Jim
Whittall and Mike McLaughlin. I also talked to Kelley, who was my PHD Thesis
director, and to whom I was talking about three times a week on long
distance phone contacts, about the Rogue-labeling controversy, which had
gone on before Fingerhut's publication.

We believe we need to further differentiate between matters of
interpretation and more significant scholarly positions re. controversial
History and Archeology,  which may involve more "Objective" conditions, such
as 1. political correctness; 2. the use of the label, "Ancient Mysteries;"
3. required by USA, but not by most foreign, graduate schools; 4. "Required
positions," such as the anti-diffusionist dictum of Samuel Elliot Morrison;
and finally, ''Politically-allowed subjects of investigation."

Dr. John-and Genny Molloy,

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a.. 324 - Battle of Adrianople Constantine I defeats Licinius, who flees to
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a.. 987 - Hugh Capet is crowned King of France, the first of the Capetian
dynasty which ruled France till the French Revolution in 1792.
a.. 1250 - Louis IX of France is captured by Baibars' Mamluk army at the
Battle of Fariskur while he is in Egypt conducting the Seventh Crusade; he
later has to ransom himself.
a.. 1608 - Québec City founded by Samuel de Champlain.
a.. 1754 - French and Indian War: George Washington surrenders Fort
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a.. 1767 - Pitcairn Island is discovered by Midshipman Robert Pitcairn on an
expeditionary voyage commanded by Philip Carteret.
a.. 1767 - Norway's oldest newspaper still in print, Adresseavisen, is
founded (first edition published this date).
a.. 1775 - American Revolutionary War: George Washington takes command of
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a.. 1778 - American Revolutionary War: British forces massacre 360 men,
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   Home safe and sound from our Scandinavian adventure. It felt like we'd
been in the air since 1986.



Had a series of great visits with friends old and new. Visited some of
Norway's finest museums and historical sites and saw one of the glaciers. Of
course, it rained most of the time we were in Bergen, but that was expected.
It's Bergen.



Conducted a long interview with one of the Kommune officials at Bergen
regarding the histroy of Bergen, Norse incursions to North America, and
attitudes of scholars, but the recording was too poor to air, so I'll talk
from notes at some future time..



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here was cut through by the last round. Hopefully, this round will be less
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A local researcher presents his case for lost silver mines in Meade and
Hardin County, Kentucky.

AEGEAN      July 26th   2 PM   Falls of the Ohio
             Out of the Aegean mystical past comes stories of  the man-eating
Minotaur, of the great Battle of Troy, of a fabled Trojan Horse, of the
murder of King Agamemnon and even of the legend of Atlantis.
  How much is legend, how much true? Was Plato’s account of Atlantis based on
an actual civilization?
  Archaeologists unearth evidence of incredible early civilizations—on the
island of Crete, in Turkey, and on the Greek mainland.
           On one island that was almost totally destroyed, an archaeologist
thinks he’s found the fabled Atlantis.
           This film takes us on a dazzling voyage over waves that surely
also swept over the very origins of western culture.
  WARNER’s News of the World


This program short will be presented sometime in the fall:

The Point of Beginning

At a point in Ohio, the survey of America began after the Lewis and Clark
expedition. This little-know fact has great historical importance. We will
see the marker and review the story of how it made possible for individuals
to own property.



Upcoming Conferences of Interest

AAPS (Ancient  Artifact Preservation Society) Conference.  October 23—26,
Marquette, MI.
Focus: Bringing together diverse pieces of ancient America. This is the
conference where Jim Michael presented the past three years. Lee & Joy
Pennington, who presented films the last two years, will be presenting again
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In 1996, Mount Holyoke geologist Mark McMenamin unveiled a new theory about
who discovered the Americas. It wasn't the Vikings or that
"Giovanni-come-lately" Christopher Columbus.

According to McMenamin, markings on Carthaginian gold coins from 350 BCE
showed that Phoenician and Carthaginian mariners had discovered the Americas
at least 1,300 years before the Vikings might have dropped anchor off North
America.

When he presented it, his theory that the previously unrecognized markings
were actually maps of the Atlantic Ocean and the landmasses surrounding it
caused some significant shockwaves among archaeologists and students of the
ancient world (the theory was discussed in Biblical Archaeology Review and
was the focus of a January Term course at Mount Holyoke), but now
McMenamin's idea has appeared in a completely new venue--in the latest novel
by one of the nation's leading adventure writers: Clive Cussler. (Ed. note:
Cussler has another novel since this article was written, The Treasure of
Khan)

In their new novel, The Navigator, Cussler and coauthor Paul Kemprecos use
McMenamin's theory, with full credit to the Mount Holyoke scholar, to
underpin the book's premise: an ancient Phoenician statue will lead those
who can understand its secrets to gold aplenty buried in the Americas many
centuries ago. I invited Cussler to appear with Mark, but I haven't received
a response.



Unburied Gold: Cussler Digs MHC Prof's Theory



McMenamin Offers New Evidence for Controversial Theory

Did Africans Discover the New World?

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Often, researchers possess evidence and data that lead them to conclusions
in very short order. Sometimes those conclusions also lead to "new"
theories. This week's guest, Professor Mark McMenamin of Holyoke College,
interpreted evidence that had been known for centuries and formulated such a
new theory. The theory is controversial and his interpretation of the
evidence is equally controversial within the ranks of his fellow scholars:
Designs on Carthaginian 4th century BC coins show the outline of the
Atlantic Ocean and the North American land mass.



Most of the folks who subscribe to this newsletter already knew that and
already suscribed to that theory, thanks, in part, to the efforts of the
late Gloria Farley. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way belittling Professor
McMinamin's work, rather, I'm using his work as an example that if one of
the lay researchers or a scholar with the "wrong" credentials postulates
something like this, we are, at best, ignored and, at worst, subject to
character assassination and blackballing (censure). Mark McMenamin is a
geologist, not an historian or archeologist, so he got some of the same
treatment, though not as much as is usual. The evidence is too strong.



Another example of such treatment of a scholar by his fellows, although this
example has a bit of role reversal and is in a completely separate field, is
Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, a tenured Associate Professor of Anatomy and
Anthropology and Adjunct Associate Professor of the Department of
Anthropology at Idaho State University. Meldrum is also Adjunct Professor of
Occupational and Physical Therapy and Affiliate Curator of Vertebrate
Paleontology at the Idaho Museum of Natural History. Meldrum is considered
to be among the world's foremost experts on the Sasquatch. Jeff has been
ostracized by some of his fellow faculty for pursuing this field and
proclaiming a confidence in the creatures' existence, mostly by scholars in
other fields who have no credentials to challenge his position. There were
even calls for his censure, and those by fellows who had no training in any
of the fields Jeff pursues or teaches.



Meldrum received his B.S. in zoology specializing in vertebrate locomotion
at Brigham Young University (BYU) in 1982, his M.S. at BYU in 1984 and a
Ph.D. in anatomical sciences, with an emphasis in biological anthropology,
from State University of New York at Stony Brook in 1989. He held the
position of postdoctoral visiting assistant professor at Duke University
Medical Center from 1989 to 1991. Meldrum worked at Northwestern
University's Department of Cell, Molecular and Structural Biology for a
short while in 1993 before joining the faculty of Idaho State University
where he currently teaches.

Meldrum’s interest in the Sasquatch took off after being shown 15-inch
footprints by Paul Freeman, in a plowed field near Walla Walla, Washington.
Although initially believing the tracks to be forgeries, upon further
examination noticed what he believes is evidence of a high degree of
flexibility in the print and a mid-tarsal break, traits he has come to
believe belong to Bigfoot. Meldrum has published several academic papers
ranging from vertebrate evolutionary morphology, the emergence of bipedal
locomotion in modern humans and Sasquatch and is a co-editor of a series of
books on paleontology. Meldrum is the author of the 2006 book Sasquatch:
Legend Meets Science (ISBN 0-7653-1216-6), a companion volume to the
Discovery Channel documentary of the same name.



The point is that the resistance is a manifestation of  dogmatic response to
new ways of thinking or new ways of interpreting well established evidence
or data. It shows up in all academic realms, from physics to
pharmaceuticals.



Gloria's book title says it all when it comes down to interpretation, In
Plain Sight.





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June 9: Shavuot (Judaism, 2008); St. Colmcille's Day in Ireland


   a.. 68 – Roman Emperor Nero (bust pictured) committed suicide after he was
deposed by the Senate.
   b.. 1310 – Italian artist Duccio's Maestà with Twenty Angels and Nineteen
Saints, a seminal artwork of the early Italian Renaissance, was unveiled and
installed in Siena Cathedral in Siena, Italy.
   c.. 1772 – In an act of defiance against the Navigation Acts, American
patriots led by Abraham Whipple attacked and burned the British schooner HMS
Gaspée.
   d.. 1856 – Mormon pioneers began leaving Iowa City, Iowa and headed west
for Salt Lake City, Utah, carrying all their possessions in two-wheeled
handcarts.
   e.. 1928 – Australian aviator Charles Kingsford Smith and his crew landed
their Southern Cross aircraft in Brisbane, completing the first ever
trans-Pacific flight from the United States mainland to Australia.
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Severe weather kills 8; water rises in Indiana - Yahoo! News

I grew up in the town of Elnora and I lived in Plainville for a total of
about 6 years. I still have several friends in those places and they are
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   a..  BillingsGazette.com :: Students catalog tepee rings where ancient
tribes lived
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   c.. The 2,000-year-old 'supertanker' - Scotsman.com News


   a.. State could determine if one man's treasure is his to keep - Vero
Beach Press-Journal (subscription) - 1 week agoState could determine if one
man's treasure is his to keep Vero Beach Press-Journal (subscription), FL -
May 30, 2008 The state has three people dedicated to underwater archaeology
, sai...

   a.. Cyprus researches millenia-old wine jars in wreck - Reuters - 1 week
ago Cyprus researches millenia-old wine jars in wreck Reuters - May 30, 2008
... Mediterranean dating from the classical period," said Dr Stella
Demesticha, visiting lecturer of underwater arch...

   a.. Old ship gives up treasures in Cyprus - Famagusta Gazette - 1 week ago
Old ship gives up treasures in Cyprus Famagusta Gazette, Cyprus - May 31,
2008 Dr. Stella Demesticha, Visiting Lecturer of Underwater Archaeology at
the University of Cyprus, in charge of th...

   a.. Shipwreck’s treasures see light of day - Cyprus Mail - 1 week ago
Shipwreck’s treasures see light of day Cyprus Mail, Cyprus - May 30, 2008 Dr
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Update on Lee Pennington’s film trip to the Indian Kettles in Fleming
County.

Film: Barry Fell, Bronze Age America



June 28th, 2:00 PM   Falls of the Ohio    MESOPOTAMIA



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In this issue:



This Week's Show:   Lloyd Pye



Op/Ed:  Ube ignus est?



Possum Holler News: Rain



Other news:  PHOTOS: 1,000 Tombs Discovered in Colombia



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Last week's show:   Dave Campbell, the Rockwall Enigma





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   Lloyd Pye is an author, researcher, and lecturer in the field of
alternative knowledge. He calls on over 30 years of experience to write and
speak about the origins of life, human origins, Hominoids (bigfoot,
sasquatch, yeti, and others), and the work of Zechara Sitchin. His classic
book about these subjects, Everything You Know Is Wrong -- Origins of Life
and Humans, has been fully revised and updated, and will be available from
bookstores, Amazon, or direct www.BellLapBooks.com
   Everything You Know Is Wrong (Book One: Human Origins)

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Op/Ed:  Ube ignus est?



My late mother said that phrase was all she remembered from her high school
Latin classes.



Other than several semesters of high school Spanish, all my language studies
have been "self-taught", and I had a poor teacher.



As an adult, my exposure to other languages has been limited only by
available time. I love to learn and languages are one of my passions. I
realize my fluency in any besides English is very limited, but I still both
love the challenge and believe that it is a courtesy to learn as much of a
native language as I can when I plan to visit a land with a tongue different
than my own. Learning before going would be great, but the "total immersion"
technique always demands results more than a simplistic, self-regulated
program.



A Norwegian friend of mine, now retired from a career in the Royal Norwegian
Navy, speaks about a dozen languages. When I asked him (in poorly structured
Nynorsk) where he learned all those, he replied (in perfect English) that he
knew a lot of foreign-born bartenders. After I visited his hometown of
Bergen, spent a couple hours with a Scottish-born bartender in an Irish pub
who had arrived by way of Sydney, Australia, I understood. I also enjoyed
watching reruns of Star Trek dubbed in German.



Port cities draw a lot of people from a lot of places. I'm sure that has
always been true. All those people brought their own languages and customs,
even if they adopted the local ones immediately upon arrival (When in
Rome...). That wasn't necessarily the case with the ancient Romans and
possibly not with some other explorers and conquerors. As an example, Latin
was the de facto language of Britain (and  all the ancient Roman Empire) for
nearly four hundred years.  Some traditions die hard, and languages die even
harder.  More enduring even that languages are the alphabets, characters,
and symbols used to convey the languages in writing. Even though Latin is
considered a dead language, we still employ the Roman alphabet.



But what about all those tablets found that contain various recurring
symbols? Might they be a variation on the theme? The crossed circle,
swastika, wavy lines, doorway, and some other glyphs appear in tablets and
pictographs / petroglyphs in widely spread settings with regard to both
space and time. Might they be a throwback to a language, alphabet, and
empire much older and more widespread than even Rome? I have questions, not
answers.



Ha du noer svarder?



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  Stormy weather has prevailed here for several days. I exercised the
chainsaw and have an ample supply of green wood for the campfire next year.



Of course, that weather brought with it an ample amount of rain with which
to exacerbate the recurring flooding of the basement studios here. The
surrounding fields, already replanted once, will need it again.



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   a.. PHOTOS: 1,000 Tombs Discovered in Colombia - 4 days ago
   b.. Iraq Museum Reclaims 700 Stolen Artifacts - 2 weeks ago
   c.. Oldest Human Ancestor Fossil Found - one month ago
   d.. New Fossil Is World’s Oldest Plant-Eating Lizard - one month ago
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May 25th,   2:30PM   AKHA Meeting at Marilyn Michael’s home
ROMANS ON THE RIVER: presented by Jamie Eiler

Emperor Claudius II is generally remembered for martyring St. Valentine.
Historically, he was set to attack Zenobia of Palmyra, when he died. His
descendant, Constantine, proclaimed by the Britannic Legions, would make
Christianity the state religion. Tracing Welsh lines, we find Old King Cole,
King Arthur and Admiral Madoc. But what of more recent discovery? What
artifacts from the banks of New Albany are in the vault at the Falls of the
Ohio? Between fantastic and prosaic, there may be a connection to that
colony of “White Indians.”

THE POINT OF BEGINNING : presented by Warner Sizemore



At a point in Ohio, the survey of America began after the Lewis and Clark
expedition. This little know fact has great historical importance. We will
see the marker and review the story of how it made it possible for
individuals to own property.








May 31st ,  2 :00PM   Falls of the Ohio   MACHU PICCHU

Long after the sprawling Inca empire had been all but obliterated by
conquistadors in the 1500’s, legends persisted of a hidden mountain fortress
where the ancient glories of the Inca had been preserved.  An inexperienced
young American academic believed the rumors might be true—and followed his
intuition to make one of the most astounding discoveries in modern
archaeology.

Determined to make his name as a world-class explorer, professor Hiram
Bingham traveled to Peru—and stalked his future on what, at the time was
nothing more than whispered gossip of a forgotten Inca ruin.  Carving his
way up into the Andes, Bingham quickly made a discovery that would dumbfound
his scholarly peers, captivate the world and obsess Bingham himself for the
rest of his life: the architectural wonder of a perfectly preserved royal
Inca complex, undisturbed for half a millennium.

This film journeys back with Bingham as the young archaeologist catches the
first glimpse of his hard-won prize: the haunting 400-year-old enigma known
by the locals as Machu Picchu.

June 22nd,  2:30PM    AKHA Meeting at Marilyn Michael’s home
Update on Lee Pennington’s film trip to the Indian Kettles in Fleming
County.

Film: Barry Fell, Bronze Age America



June 28th, 2:00 PM   Falls of the Ohio    MESOPOTAMIA





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This Week's Show:   Dave Campbell, Rockwall, Texas



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rings found embedded in the wall. Multiple geology studies place the
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         Irish Viking trade centre unearthed


a.. Bandurria may be the oldest Peruvian site - 1 week agoThe archaelogical
site of Bandurria dating back 3200 BCE (located in the province of Huaura,
Lima) is considered the origin of ancient American civilization, said
archaeologist Alejandro Chu Barrera, ...
a.. Old Scatness Broch gets funding after debate - 1 week agoShetland
Councillors this week turned down a three-year funding request towards work
on the Old Scatness Broch (Shetland, Scotland), instead approving funds of
just under £150,000 for this year only.....
a.. Rock-art sites found in India - 1 week agoThe Indian Department of
Archaeology & Museums has discovered rock-art sites in Warangal and
Mahabubnagar districts, priceless stone sculptures in Warangal and a
Buddhist settlement in Visakhapatnam. ...
a.. Prehistoric settlement uncovered in Scotland - 1 week agoBiggar
Archaeology Group (south Lanarkshire, Scotland) have discovered the location
of an ancient 5000-6000-year-old settlement site in a ploughed field at
Carwood Farm near the town. After only two d...
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Op/Ed:  The Hardest Part

Possum Holler News: Cue the Music!

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Tracking Eight Goths and Twenty Two Norwegians on Rune Stone Hill
Photo: Judi Rudebusch

On April 14th I made a pilgrimage to Alexandria and Kensington Minnesota to
visit the Kensington Rune Stone Museum, the future home of the Kensington
Area Historical Society, and the Ohman Farm Park. I received a warm
reception from the staff at the museum, the county employee in charge of
planning for the park, some other interested parties. I’ll describe what I
encountered and my impressions. The next day, I was privileged to tour Scott
Wolter’s lab where he conducted the majority of the geological testing on
the Rune Stone. The next day included a quick stop at Wayne May’s place and
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Op/Ed:   The Hardest Part

The hardest, most dreaded part of my compiling this newsletter is always the
part you are reading right now. Expressing an opinion, writing an essay,
formulating an argument, or choosing the right words to convince a jury of
your peers poses no easy task, especially if you want those words to spur
some action on the part of others. Other factors, such as style, tone,
usage, and complexity also play important roles, but the action verbs
inspire, while passive verbs just are.

Research! Evaluate! Compile! Establish! Postulate! Compose! Write! Present!
Defend! Correlate! Collaborate! Extrapolate!

All these verbs might apply to what this community attempts to convey to
accredited institutions regarding the facts as we see them. Sometimes, we
get the facts wrong (but seldom). Sometimes, we misinterpret data (equally
seldom). Sometimes, a major find meets dismissal on the basis of a single
negative opinion (though that opinion promulgates throughout academia).

Rather than trying to convince someone of the validity and provenience of an
artifact (that it is real), perhaps we need to convince them, simply, that
it merits formal study and then go on to provide a draft plan for that
study. Citing previous scholarly work almost always contributes positively
to such an argument. Evaluating previous test and evaluation protocols and
adapting them to the work in question can provide a shortcut and cost
savings for some types of investigations. By extension, and more pointedly,
most investigations require funding and a sound financial plan remains the
most certain aspect of capturing academic attention.

Okay, my part in this comes to a temporary end. Your turn.

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features “ Sick of Sarah
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Abeesha on vocals and guitar. New musicians rarely impress me, but this one
exhibits promising talent. I only hope she soon realizes that explicit
lyrics possess no intrinsic artistic merit.

The green season is upon us, and the mowing and tending of the studio
grounds is an all day task, sometimes twice a week.

The “new” (to me) airplane, designed for a pilot six inches shorter than I
am, is going to be quite an undertaking – or I will fly quite uncomfortably.

.Pat underwent an angiogram today. No blockage. All is right with the world.
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Alpine task force formed to salvage prehistoric treasures
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Did Romans 'tide up' Stonehenge?
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Exploring mesolithic times of British moorland life
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State Historic Properties Website Goes Live - Inside INdiana Business (press
release)
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Dr. Richard Firestone, of Lawrence Berkley Laboratories, is part of the
inter-disciplinary team that discovered evidence of an extraterrestrial
impact event, associated it with the demise of the Clovis culture and the
megafuanal extinction event and the Younger-Dryas climatic event. His
contribution was part of the recent History Channel special, Journey to
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Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Dr. Tom Van Flandern, REALLY out of place artifacts

Op/Ed: 10,000 B.C.

Possum Holler News

Other news:  Indian DNA links to 6 'founding mothers'

Events: Send your organization's events to  oz@...


Last week's show:   More Monks' Mound building discussions


Next week's show:  Paradigm Shift

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Tom Van Flandern received his Ph.D. degree in Astronomy, specializing in
celestial mechanics (the theory of orbits), from Yale University in 1969. He
spent 21 years (1963-1983) at the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington,
D.C., where he became the Chief of the Celestial Mechanics Branch of the
Nautical Almanac Office.



During the past decade, Tom has been a Research Associate at the Univ. of
Maryland Physics Department in College Park, MD, and a consultant to the
Army Research Laboratory in Adelphi, MD, working on improving the accuracy
of the Global Positioning System (GPS). He and his wife moved to Sequim in
2005 to be nearer children and grandchildren and enjoy the beauty of the
Pacific NW.



In 1991, Tom helped form an astronomy research organization, Meta Research,
to foster inquiry into worthy ideas not otherwise supported solely because
they conflict with mainstream theories in astronomy. Among the organization’
s significant contributions are:

·      Evidence against the Big Bang and for a better theory of the origin
and nature of the universe

·      Experimental evidence that gravity propagates much faster than light,
and a new model for the origin and nature of gravity

·      Prediction of asteroid and comet satellites years before their
discovery

·      New evidence favoring the exploded planet hypothesis, and new models
for the origin of asteroids, comets, and the solar system

·      Strong hints that certain anomalies seen on Mars are not of natural
origin



Tom is editor of the Meta Research Bulletin, which specializes in reporting
anomalies and evidence that does not fit with standard theories in
astronomy. He also authored the book "Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New
Comets" about his original astronomy research, and organizes astronomical
expeditions to solar eclipses, meteor storms and other celestial events.



During his career as a professional research astronomer, Tom has been
honored by a prize from the Gravity Research Foundation; served on the
Council of American Astronomical Society's Division on Dynamical Astronomy;
taught astronomy at the University of South Florida and to Navy Department
employees; been a consultant to NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab; and done several
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Op/Ed: 10,000 B.C.

This piece is, in part, a compare and contrast between the Hollywood film
10,000B.C. and the History Channel segment,
Journey to 10,000 B.C. (neither yet available on home video)

First, I want to talk about the computer animation used in each. The
Hollywood film will almost certainly be nominated for an Oscar for its
special effects, though it will be up against some true heavyweights in the
voting. The depictions of Columbian Mammoth, saber tooth, and the mixing of
those with ancient humans was superbly seamless, visually stunning,  and
utterly convincing. The History Channels renderings of same will not win nor
even likely be nominated for any awards. Budgets matter in special effects.

In the film, the mammoth hunters are shown using fire-hardened sticks, pit
traps, and very large nets. In the History Channel production, they are
portrayed more accurately making and using (Clovis point) atlatls.

Next, for any who have seen neither production, I need  to tell you that
both portrayed the possibility of ancient Atlantic crossings. The film
didn't do so blatantly, but only through inference. The combination of
Columbian mammoth and maize portrayed as being present in the North African
desert 12,000 years ago was an obvious and intentional plug for transoceanic
trade hypotheses. I won't give away much of the film because it is great
entertainment and I hate spoilers, but the writers and production staff more
than alluded to the theories of the monuments of Giza being built at that
time and the construction being overseen by "gods" either from another star
or from some unnamed sunken island continent. There were significant errors
in the climatology and topology portrayed, however.

The History Channel segment was blatant about the Atlantic crossings. Dr.
Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian Institution was featured prominently
between some of the lackluster re-enactments, speaking to the evidence,
inferences, and informed speculation that Clovis points were a direct
descendent of Solutrian points. Dr. Stanford is also one of the seven
scientists who successfully sued the United States Department of the
Interior to continue scientific study of Kennewick Man rather than placing
him in an unmarked grave and lost to further inquiry.

While I enjoyed and recommend both productions, that's not the point of this
writing (pun intended). Both represent an important  paradigm shift; One
from a major film studio and entertainment venue for popular consumption and
the other from a television entertainment venue, also for popular
consumption, but from a more scholarly direction. Both are needed to achieve
that paradigm shift and both are applauded by this observer.

This section is for you, the audience. You are welcome to contribute to it
either as a letter to the editor or an editorial. Submit your "stuff" to
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Possum Holler News:
I was up and watching at sunrise for the equinox. Within a quarter degree of
where I had marked due east. My declination must have been off. Immediately,
I saw the sure sign of spring's arrival; a housefly -- it won't be
procreating...
The flood waters are receding slowly. Making room for the next round, no
doubt.
Pat only has one more week to work at the factory, so the studio is likely
to be much cleaner and more organized soon.
We are arranging the trip to Norway for the summer solstice. Watch for an
email, Frode.

The BIG news is that I have been in discussion with the organizers of the
Atlantic Conference and the Oopa Loopa Cafe will be a sponsor for this
important event! Also, many of the speakers at the conference will appear on
OLC leading up to the conference to give the listeners a taste of what will
be presented there. My thanks and congratulations to Steve St. Clair for
being such a diligent and dedicated organizer.


Other news:
Indian DNA links to 6 'founding mothers'

Cave sculptures go on display for first time in 15,000 years

  Irish and Dutch vessels found in Scottish graves

Greek team finds ancient skull that underwent surgery: reports

Pictograph in NZ derived from ancient Asian-Pacific culture?

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Last week's show:  More Monks' Mound building discussions

William Smith, Vince Barrows, and I discussed the evidence that indicates
Monks' Mound was built by a highly organized, truly massive workforce from
diverse areas of North America, that  they did it in a single season, and
discussed why it was built. I received a message from a listener who lives
on the bluff near the mound and he pointed out that I made an incorrect
statement, saying that the mound was the highest point for many miles. His
bluff is. We'll come back to that subject around the first Thursday of May
and I have invited that listener, Rob, to participate. Thanks, Rob.

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Due to an unfortunate fiasco related to the switch to Daylight Savings Time
and how the scheduling software works, this week's show will air at 10 PM
instead of the usual 9 PM. I tried to correct it, but March Madness has all
the 9 PM slots filled. Next week is back on track.


Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  General discussions

Op/Ed: Tools of the trade, A listener's Reply

Other news:  Mummified Dino Uncovered—Skin and All

Events: Send your organization's events to  oz@...

Last week's show:   OLC

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Op/Ed: Tools of the Trade

A listener and newsletter subscriber who also happens to be a working
archeologist replied to my op/ed piece, Tools of the Trade  and gave me
permission to publish it. (edited for privacy concerns)

   Dear Oz,

   Your op-eds get ever better and better.

   Almost all real archaeologists-and also their grad students, who have jobs
and PhDs, or who are soon to be looking, cannot write about our alleged main
subject, sometimes called diffusion.

   Almost all of this big subset of good people will not, cannot? easily
write to a diffusionist, either.

   There are some exceptions. The guy at uroregon, semi-retired, is the best
one of these.

   This leaves diffusion to:

   1. A very few retired real ones.

   2. Guys and gals with an ma or with somewhere between an ma and a PhD, who
are not trying to get academically improved.

   3. Guys and gals who have some other, usually also not to the PhD level of
training, that involves both or either hard sciences and/ or social sciences
formal education, or very occasionally PhDs who are for some reason
blackballed as regular job-type workers.

   4. Those who see themselves as real amateurs, or non-traditional workers,
who sometimes can be quite gifted.

   5 Traditional, very well known diffusionists, accepted as real scholars by
us, and by a very few regular archaeological PhDs-including especially G
Farley, Wayne May and John White II.

   6. Occasionally, a real PhD Historian, and a number now of Geologists.

   7. A few foreign scholars, some very eminent.

   8. David Humiston Kelley.

   If real scholars get involved, they will impose, or try to impose, the
kind of discipline, almost immediately, that you write so eloquently about
in your op-ed.

   They, but not all of them, will get very upset about how data is and  has
been acquired, especially when the data has been acquired in the past by
non-Orthodox, non-fully professional excavation and space-time frame
proveniencings-recordings means.

   There is a good chance now that such "getting involved" can take place
soon.

   The very recent and sudden shift in paradigm about the origins-age of the
first large urban communities [cities] from 3400 BC, to about 5700-5000 BC
seems accepted.

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Possum Holler News:

More rain. So much so, I actually have to drive seventeen miles to get to
town instead of the usual eight miles. The county has run out of "High
Water" warning signs to post and is relying on radio announcements for the
rest...I need one in the studio.

I have a new batch of OLC business cards coming. Let me know if you want
some.



Other news:

a.. Iron Age remains found on British school site - Archaeologists have
found what they think is the remains of an Iron Age settlement under part of
a Wearside school (Sunderland, England). The surprising discovery was made
by experts carrying...
a.. Historic Scotland urged to give broch visitor numbers -  A challenge is
being laid down for Historic Scotland to come forward with visitor numbers
to the Clickimin Broch in Lerwick (Shetland) after hopes access to the
monument could be...
a.. Pictograph in NZ derived from ancient Asian-Pacific culture? - Hanging
Rock's famous Ruataniwha image is probably derived from an Asian-Pacific
culture more than 4000 years old, according to geographer, ecologist and
planner Haikai Tane. Prof Tane is an exper...
a.. Controversy over M3 motorway in Ireland still rages on - The Irish
National Roads Authority is insisting that construction work on the
controversial M3 motorway in Co Meath (Ireland) is not damaging a protected
national monument at Rath Lugh. Campaigners...
a.. Native Americans traced to 6 'Founding Mothers' -


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hi all,, micheal,,, i see good reason that maybe this site or a
separate site for precolumbian inscriptions of NORTH AMERICA  is
needed. the other site is primarly south american and has missed the
boat in north america.
happy pats day
thanks
steve

ps...
Now we know why!!

  WHY ST. PATRICK'S DAY IS CELEBRATED EACH YEAR IN AMERICA

  The reason the Irish celebrate St. Patrick's Day is because this is when
  St. Patrick drove the Norwegians out of Ireland.

  It seems that some centuries ago, many Norwegians came to Ireland to
  escape the bitterness of the Norwegian winter. Ireland was having a
  famine at the time, and food was scarce. The Norwegians were eating
  almost all the fish caught in the area, leaving the Irish with nothing
  to eat but potatoes. St. Patrick, taking matters into his own hands, as
  most Irishmen do, decided the Norwegians had to go.

  Secretly, he organized the Irish IRATRION (Irish Republican Army to Rid
  Ireland of Norwegians).
Irish members of IRATRION passed a law in Ireland
  that prohibited merchants from selling ice boxes or ice to the
Norwegians, in
  hopes that their fish would spoil. This would force the Norwegians to
flee to a
  colder climate where their fish would keep.

  Well, the fish spoiled, all right, but the Norwegians, as every one
knows today,
  thrive on spoiled fish. So, faced with failure, the desperate
Irishmen sneaked
  into the Norwegian fish storage caves in the dead of night and
sprinkled the
  rotten fish with lye, hoping to poison the Norwegian invaders. But,
as everyone
  knows, the Norwegians thought this only added to the flavor of the
fish, and
  they liked it so much they decided to call it "lutefisk", which is
Norwegian for
  "luscious fish". Matters became even worse for the Irishmen when the
  Norwegians started taking over the Irish potato crop and making something
  called "lefse".

  Poor St. Patrick was at his wit's end, and finally on March 17th, he
  blew his top and told all the Norwegians to "GO TO HELL".

  So they all got in their boats and emigrated to Minnesota

Hello Loopers!

In this issue:

This Week's Show:  Hugh Fox

Op/Ed: Tools of the trade

Other news:  First in North America

Events: Send your organization's events to  oz@...

Last week's show:  The Short Month


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This Week's Show:  Hugh Fox, Phoenicians in Central & South America

Hugh Fox, author, researcher, scholar, identified clear evidence of
Phoenician influence in tribes in Mexico, Peru, and Chile. He drew together
evidence from Santiago Chile to Paris. He'll tell us about it and take
questions.

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Op/Ed: Tools of the Trade

My words and how I choose them, string them together, punctuate them, pace
them, or eat them, these are my tools. Well, these are my main tools. The
internet and all it offers, for good or ill, is also an important toolbox.
What I see as the most important tool in that particular toolbox is the vast
network of diligent researchers who are willing to share their methods,
data, and conclusion with the world. I don't always agree with them, but I
am always willing to spend the time to read what they have to say.
Sometimes, I would like to share with them another important tool in that
box called a "spellchecker", but that doesn't, for me at least, detract from
the importance of their work. These folks are the heart of the diffusion
"community" and they deserve accolades for their work, ingenuity, and
courage. Even when they are wrong, they should be commended for trying. When
they are right, the results are even more unacceptable to some folks, mostly
in the academic world, than when they are not completely correct in the
conclusions drawn or methods used. The data almost always speaks for itself.
I say "almost" because the ability to interpret data also plays an important
role. Data that can be easily misinterpreted by a lay researcher might
include ground penetrating radar, magnetometer, photographs, topographical
forms and geo-location, linguistic forms, and skeletal evidence to name a
few. Some tasks truly are best left to the specialists. Without ever having
touched one before, I'm confident I could operate a ground penetrating radar
set and acquire data with it, but interpreting that data with any level of
proficiency is another matter altogether.

A solid background in the "hard sciences", physics, chemistry, math,
astronomy, etc., is one of the major enabling factors in validating data is
this general area of study, at least with certain types of data. Those
backgrounds mean little when working in linguistics, for example. But having
a grasp of those "core" sciences is a major contributor to being skilled at
interpreting data in general. I'm weak on that linguistics thing, but I'm
fairly adept at the more technical data in general and  I am expert or on
the verge of expertness in some specific areas. However, if I were in a
position of interpreting data for publication, whether on the internet for
other diffusionists or for some formal review by academia, and even within
my areas of expertise, I would recruit other folks with requisite expertise
to also interpret the data, just to add a level of validation and
credibility. This is not only a good practice, it is an important part of
scientific method. And without practicing scientific method, we will never
have the ear of academia, whether our conclusions are correct or not.

The conclusions (called synthesis in educational terms) is more than just
repeating the results of the data reduction and validation phase, it is also
providing predictions of future events or findings based on the outcome of
the present work. Even academia and formal education lose sight of this on
occasion. Some, particularly in the particle physics, climatology, and
cosmology arenas, take it to an extreme well beyond what the data actually
indicates and the result is sometimes wild claims that can neither be
validated not debunked. I don't want that for this community. Conclusions
should be reserved but assertive, self-contained, but open for constructive
influence, self-consistent, but acknowledge variables and contradictory
findings.

These are the tools of the trade for diffusion research.

This section is for you, the audience. You are welcome to contribute to it
either as a letter to the editor or an editorial. Submit your "stuff" to
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We've had an incredibly prolonged period of wet weather here at Possum
Holler. The studio is flooded, but the show WILL go on, even if I have to
wear waders.

Your host's travel schedule for the year has become quite crowded. Norway,
Nova Scotia, Quebec, other parts of Canada, Minnesota, South Dakota,
Wisconsin, Upper Michigan,  New Hampshire, New York, Vermont, Maine,
Illinois, and Ohio are on the itenery for one purpose or another. Iin
addition to the credit card, both the motorhome and the ol' pickup truck
will get real workouts this year, while the party boat will get some rest.


Other news:

Pint-sized primates were first in North America. Leaping, furry mini-monkeys
that were as small as mice crossed the Bering land bridge long before
humans, representing North America's oldest known primates.

a.. Prehistoric stone circle unearthed in India - 2 days ago An ancient
human burial site, estimated to be 3,000 years old, was unearthed at
Drugdhamna on Nagpur-Amravati road by the department of ancient Indian
history, culture and archaeology, Rashtrasant Tuk...
a.. Heaney claims motorway near Tara desecrates sacred landscape - 2 days
ago Poet and Nobel laureate Séamus Heaney has described the M3 motorway as a
ruthless desecration of the sacred landscape around the Hill of Tara, in a
BBC documentary broadcast last...
a.. Ancient toy or whistle found in Cyprus - 2 days ago A small masterpiece
of coroplastic Early Bronze Age Cyprus (3500- 2000 BCE), believed to be a
water whistle or a toy, was found during the excavations at
Pyrgos/Mavrorachi, in...
a.. Drill near London to find evidence of ancient occupation - 2 days ago
Archaeologists from Durham University will be returning to a London borough
site (England) where a 19th century historian once found flint tools and
animal bones. This time, however, the latest...
a.. Power works avoid Scottish prehistoric site - 2 days ago
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In this issue:

This Week's Show:  The Short Month

Op/Ed: War of Words

Other news:  Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age (buy extra
blankets)

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Last week's show:   One Year Anniversary Show

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This Week's Show:  The Short Month


How February got robbed! The Gregorian calendar is but the latest version of
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Other news:
Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

a.. Iran's Kelar mound dated to 4000 BCE - 3 days agoOxford scientists have
determined the exact date of Iran's northern site of Kelar Mound by studying
ancient coal and bone samples. Although many archeologists believed that the
area was not...
a.. Possible turbine site includes burial grounds in Florida - 3 days
agoRecent archaeological surveys show prehistoric Indians in Florida (USA)
made their homes and buried their dead along the banks of Blind Creek, an
area that has drawn controversy as a...
a.. Orkney islanders asked to help heritage - 3 days agoOrkney islanders
(Scotland) have been invited to assist the draft of a new management plan
for the Heart of Neolithic Orkney World Heritage Site (WHS). The aim is to
maximise...
a.. Mysterious pyramid complex discovered in Peru - 3 days agoThe remnants
of at least ten pyramids have been discovered on the coast of Peru, marking
what could be a vast ceremonial site of an ancient, little-known culture,
archaeologists say....
a.. Ancient Scottish burials reveal links with the Netherlands - 3 days ago

Vikings did not dress the way we thought (thanks Judi, this blew my whole
image of rough n tuff)


A Lead on the Ark of the Covenant

Archaeologist 'Strikes Gold' With Finds Of Ancient Nasca Iron Ore Mine In
Peru

Rare Egyptian "Warrior" Tomb Found

Maya Mask Splendor Enhanced With Sparkling Mica (I wonder how much of that
Mayan mica was mined from Cave In Rock, Illinois)
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Op/Ed: War of Words

What is the "Culture of America Today?" Britney Spears, iPods, DVD's,
plastic drinking straws, Biggest Loser?

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For other uses, see Culture (disambiguation).
Culture (from the Latin cultura stemming from colere, meaning "to
cultivate,") generally refers to patterns of human activity and the symbolic
structures that give such activities significance and importance. Different
definitions of "culture" reflect different theoretical bases for
understanding, or criteria for evaluating, human activity.

Culture is manifested in music, literature, lifestyle, painting and
sculpture, theater and film and similar things.[1] Although some people
identify culture in terms of consumption and consumer goods (as in high
culture, low culture, folk culture, or popular culture)[2], anthropologists
understand "culture" to refer not only to consumption goods, but to the
general processes which produce such goods and give them meaning, and to the
social relationships and practices in which such objects and processes
become embedded. For them, culture thus includes art, science, as well as
moral systems.

Cultural Anthropologists most commonly use the term "culture" to refer to
the universal human capacity and activities to classify, codify and
communicate their experiences symbolically. This capacity has long been
taken as a defining feature of humans. (although some primatologists have
identified aspects of culture among humankind's closest relatives in the
animal kingdom.[3])

Defining "culture"
Culture can be defined as all the behaviors, ways of life, arts, beliefs and
institutions of a population that are passed down from generation to
generation. Culture has been called "the way of life for an entire society."
As such, it includes codes of manners, dress, language, religion, rituals,
norms of behavior such as law and morality, and systems of belief as well as
the arts and gastronomy. [4]. Although, I think "law" better fits under the
term "civilization".

Various definitions of culture reflect differing theories for understanding,
or criteria for evaluating, human activity. Edward Burnett Tylor writing
from the perspective of social anthropology in the UK in 1971 described
culture in the following way: "Culture or civilization, taken in its wide
ethnographic sense, is that complex whole which includes knowledge, belief,
art, morals, law, custom, and any other capabilities and habits acquired by
man as a member of society."[5]

More recently, the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural
Organization (Unesco) (2002) described culture as follows: "... culture
should be regarded as the set of distinctive spiritual, material,
intellectual and emotional features of society or a social group, and that
it encompasses, in addition to art and literature, lifestyles, ways of
living together, value systems, traditions and beliefs".[6]

While these two definitions cover a range of meaning, they do not exhaust
the many uses of the term "culture." In 1952, Alfred Kroeber and Clyde
Kluckhohn compiled a list of 164 definitions of "culture" in Culture: A
Critical Review of Concepts and Definitions.[7]


Culture as civilization
Many people today have an idea of "culture" that developed in Europe during
the 18th and early 19th centuries. This notion of culture reflected
inequalities within European societies, and between European powers and
their colonies around the world. It identifies "culture" with "civilization"
and contrasts it with "nature." According to this way of thinking, one can
classify some countries and nations as more civilized than others, and some
people as more cultured than others. Some cultural theorists have thus tried
to eliminate popular or mass culture from the definition of culture.
Theorists such as Matthew Arnold (1822-1888) or the Leavisites regard
culture as simply the result of "the best that has been thought and said in
the world”[9] Arnold contrasted mass/popular culture with social chaos or
anarchy. On this account, culture links closely with social cultivation: the
progressive refinement of human behavior. Arnold consistently uses the word
this way: "... culture being a pursuit of our total perfection by means of
getting to know, on all the matters which most concern us, the best which
has been thought and said in the world".[9]



Culture as symbols
The symbolic view of culture, the legacy of Clifford Geertz (1973) and
Victor Turner (1967), holds symbols to be both the practices of social
actors and the context that gives such practices meaning. Anthony P. Cohen
(1985) writes of the "symbolic gloss" which allows social actors to use
common symbols to communicate and understand each other while still imbuing
these symbols with personal significance and meanings.[11] Symbols provide
the limits of cultured thought. Members of a culture rely on these symbols
to frame their thoughts and expressions in intelligible terms. In short,
symbols make culture possible, reproducible and readable. They are the "webs
of significance" in Weber's sense that, to quote Pierre Bourdieu (1977),
"give regularity, unity and systematics to the practices of a group."[12]

Cultures within a society
Large societies often have subcultures, or groups of people with distinct
sets of behavior and beliefs that differentiate them from a larger culture
of which they are a part. The subculture may be distinctive because of the
age of its members, or by their race, ethnicity, class or gender. The
qualities that determine a subculture as distinct may be aesthetic,
religious, occupational, political, sexual or a combination of these
factors.

In dealing with immigrant groups and their cultures, there are essentially
four approaches:

   a.. Monoculturalism: In some European states, culture is very closely
linked to nationalism, thus government policy is to assimilate immigrants,
although recent increases in migration have led many European states to
experiment with forms of multiculturalism.
   b.. Leitkultur (core culture): A model developed in Germany by Bassam
Tibi. The idea is that minorities can have an identity of their own, but
they should at least support the core concepts of the culture on which the
society is based.
   c.. Melting Pot: In the United States, the traditional view has been one
of a melting pot where all the immigrant cultures are mixed and amalgamated
without state intervention.
   d.. Multiculturalism: A policy that immigrants and others should preserve
their cultures with the different cultures interacting peacefully within one
nation.
The way nation states treat immigrant cultures rarely falls neatly into one
or another of the above approaches. The degree of difference with the host
culture (i.e., "foreignness"), the number of immigrants, attitudes of the
resident population, the type of government policies that are enacted and
the effectiveness of those policies all make it difficult to generalize
about the effects. Similarly with other subcultures within a society,
attitudes of the mainstream population and communications between various
cultural groups play a major role in determining outcomes. The study of
cultures within a society is complex and research must take into account a
myriad of variables.

Enough Info! Now the opinion!

We need to stop using the wrong words to describe things. We should not use
the word "culture" to describe a population, a time frame,  a geographical
region, an economy, a technology (e.g., "Clovis"),  a use of resources, a
set of beliefs, a set or behaviors or rituals, or,  most importantly, a
civilization or society as used in archeological contexts. It leaves too
much room for speculation and ambiguity. Yes, all those things are
interconnected and somewhat interdependent, but they are distinct aspects of
human activity. Let's go back and examine the UNESCO definition of "culture"
above: "... culture should be regarded as the set of distinctive spiritual,
material, intellectual and emotional features of society or a social group,
and that it encompasses, in addition to art and literature, lifestyles, ways
of living together, value systems, traditions and beliefs". That definition
could just as easily and accurately apply to "society" if you swap
population for "society or social group". Why keep re-inventing the wheel?
Just use the words that say what you really mean.


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