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The A1G3-SE ROM - a bit of clarification   Message List  
Reply Message #14753 of 34375 |
On ann and elsewhere there has been a lot of speculation about the nature of
the ROM modifications to allow the A1-G3 (and any subsequent Amiga inc
approved models) to run OS4 +

As most people here will realise we have always declared that we want to use
the official Amiga OS and for Hyperion and Amiga to have their just rewards
for licencing the AmigaOne and OS4 products. We are not the only possible
licencees, but I guess that we committed to these conditions before anyone
else. As a result we have worked in very close cooperation with both Amiga
Inc and Hyperion throughout the A1 development program to ensure that piracy
of OS4 is kept to a minimum. Jointly we have worked out that the best way to
do this is

- To put ROM extensions (ie dongle code) in the boot ROM, in addition to the
regular boot code.

- To put this in hard-coded, socketed ROM at a specific address in the PPC
memory map, rather than in Flash ROM, which could easily be pirated/updated

- To ensure that OS4 calls this code from multiple points to make workround
patches difficult to implement

- To ensure that a copy of OS4 is sold with all hardware capable of running
it (ie with the dongle code in ROM)

- To use similar routines that already exist in the 3.1 Kickstart ROM as an
alternative for the PPC accelerator implementations.

Although a dedicated pirate could no doubt copy the boot code and dupe the
ROM's, unless this was to be done in bulk - which would be easy to spot and
close down - the overheads involved versus buying the ROM would mean few
people would be likely to do it. The situation is analagous to OS3.1/3.5/3.9
in that you had to have/buy 3.1 ROMs to run the OS, unless you go to
extraordinary work-around lengths.


We are producing all the developer/dealer boards and at least the first run
of user boards with this dongle code in place in the ROM - and therefore the
obligation to purchase OS4 with them. (They can of course be used to run
Linux, but you will still need to buy OS4 with these boards). If there is su
fficient demand from the Linux comunity we will probably then produce some
boards without the AmigaOne name (and without the dongle code needed for
booting OS4). In this case we will also make available an OS4 + ROM upgrade
pack (similar to the OS3.5/3.9 +3.1ROMs upgrade packs sold by most Amiga
Dealers) to purchasers of the Linux-only boards wishing to upgrade to OS4.

As far as other licenced stand-alone ppc hardware is concerned, it would, in
my view, need to support a similar protection format (ie socketed hard coded
ROM, not Flash ROM) to embody the same level of anti-piracy protection as
The A1G3-SE. Whether, in the specific cases of other hardware manufacturers,
this socketed ROM has already been implemented, or remains an option, or
requires a partial redesign of the hardware is not something that I have any
knowledge of. It is between Amiga Inc and the potential licencees concerned.

This tight anti-piracy regime has obviously upset some individuals on the
mailing lists who clearly did not expect to have to pay for OS4, or hoped to
buy unapproved/unlicenced PPC Linux boards to save a few bucks. Well tough,
we dont want your business under those circumstances and will do all in our
power to make sure that if you buy one of our boards for Linux-only use you
will not be able to use it for running OS4+ unless you are prepared to pay
Hyperion and Amiga Inc their proper licence fees.

And I'm sure that all other potential serious licencees of endorsed Amiga
hardware will see it this way too.



Alan




Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:27 am

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On ann and elsewhere there has been a lot of speculation about the nature of the ROM modifications to allow the A1-G3 (and any subsequent Amiga inc approved...
Eyetech Group Ltd
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Apr 15, 2002
10:28 am

... Thanks for the update. Regards -- Warren T Katchmar <tsb>"I like my food to move!" * Cat...
Warren Katchmar
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Apr 15, 2002
12:49 pm

Eyetech Group Ltd <info@...> wrote : I hope people don't mind me thinking out loud, but I have some concerns and just want to know what others think....
Chris Dallimore
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Apr 15, 2002
1:05 pm

Hello Alan All I can say is... ... in good old Ozzie lingo... GOOD ON YOU! How refreshing to hear you say what you've said :)) __ Basil Flinter Secretary ...
Basil Flinter
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Apr 15, 2002
1:33 pm

sure are a lot of you eating at Dennys....
tavs
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Apr 15, 2002
2:57 pm

dongles. I hate em. But not for the reason of anti-piracy. In the past they've stolen a valuable port. If you can dongle the OS without limiting my expansion,...
tavs
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Apr 15, 2002
3:10 pm

... Well said, well clarified and well done. Thanks Alan for clearing everything up. I look forward to puchasing an AmigaOne WITH OS4.0 soon. Darrin ...
Darrin Lanchbury
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Apr 15, 2002
3:13 pm

... From: "Chris Dallimore" <yahoo@...> To: <amigaone@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "Chris Dallimore" <panda@...> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002...
Gary Peake
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Apr 15, 2002
3:23 pm

... So AOS won't be available to buy seperately? What would happen if I lost or damaged the disc that comes with my board? I would need to buy another system?...
Chris Dallimore
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Apr 16, 2002
12:20 am

... Well, in EyeTechs clarification mail it clearly says that if they produce some boards without the dongle code in the ROM for Linux users or whatever......
Petrus Bergman
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Apr 16, 2002
1:53 am

Hello Petrus, ... No, you hit the nail right on the head! Ed...
Ed Plants
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Apr 17, 2002
2:18 am

On 16-Apr-02, Petrus Bergman was heard muttering: PB> Well, in EyeTechs clarification mail it clearly says that if they PB> produce some boards without the...
Brian E. Doe
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Apr 19, 2002
10:15 pm

Hello Chris, ... WHAT???? You don't make a BACKUP COPY of your ORIGINALS??? Ed Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed. --...
Ed Plants
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Apr 17, 2002
3:42 am

Hello Gary On 15-Apr-02, Gary Peake wrote: HUGE QUOTE SNIPPED. Can't you do something about your quoting technique - it is really appalling. Why are you using...
Bill Eaves
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Apr 16, 2002
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On 17-Apr-02, Bill Eaves was heard muttering: BE> At least Amiga mailers allow people to quote properly without getting BE> into bad habits :o) It's...
Brian E. Doe
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Apr 19, 2002
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:05:37 BST, Chris Dallimore wrote: (Your mailer doesn't seem to be putting in any line breaks - please check that the line length is set...
Chris Young
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Apr 15, 2002
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... Sorry, I was using a rather crappy webmail... ... It was my understanding that an extra chip will be needed that held *extensions* to enable the running of...
Chris Dallimore
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Apr 15, 2002
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... No worries, I get that problem too (but it tends to make the line lengths too short....) ... Yes, I believe that is correct. ... It's the way they are...
Chris Young
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Apr 15, 2002
9:59 pm

On 15 Apr 2002 22:59:40 +0100, Chris Young said: Thankyou for the rational reply. I'm nearly there I think... ... But that's what's happening, is it not? ATM,...
Chris Dallimore
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Apr 15, 2002
11:57 pm

Hello Chris, We hate to gang up on you like this, but somehow one of us will succeed in making you understand..... ... NO, THAT IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING!!! If...
Ed Plants
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Apr 17, 2002
2:37 am

... Not that hard. There are two small computer shops within ten minutes walk of here that would build you a computer without Windows if you just wanted to run...
Don Cox
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Apr 16, 2002
9:03 am

Hello Don On 16-Apr-02, you wrote: DC> Not that hard. There are two small computer shops within ten minutes DC> walk of here that would build you a computer...
Andy Hall
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Apr 16, 2002
6:08 pm

Hello GP32 Game System by Gamepark CPU 32 Bit RISC CPU (ARM9) Display: TFT 3.5" Reflective TFT LCD (65,536 colors) ROM 512 Kbytes Smartmedia CardStorage SMC...
KOSH
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Apr 19, 2002
6:31 am

Kosh, My man, you are as bizarre as your namesake from Babylon 5. Please enlighten me as to the relevance of this to the Amigaone? Cheers, Rick. ... ...
Kirk, Rick
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Apr 19, 2002
7:33 am

... hmm....... just it's a good thing.. and A1 will be don't bad?.. [:] * This is the Lexx, the most powerful destructive forse in the 2 Universes !...
KOSH
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Apr 20, 2002
2:22 am

hi, ... <specs deleted> sounds cool - but does it run AmigaOS or AmigaDE? if not, well, why post this here? alan...
Alan Buxey
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Apr 19, 2002
9:34 am

... [ GP32 stuff ] Nice hardware, and possibly a good target system for AROS. Sorry, but it isn't really applicable to the AmigaOne though. Graham...
spinningnucleon Offline Send Email Apr 19, 2002
12:18 pm

On 15-Apr-02, Andy Hall was heard muttering: AH> It does become a problem though when you try to buy a branded system or AH> a laptop. My girlfriend's dad...
Brian E. Doe
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Apr 19, 2002
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hi, ... a long time ago....well, about 5 i think...there were discussions about how we could go about sticking the LILO/Amiboot code into a ROM chip to...
Alan Buxey
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Apr 16, 2002
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