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OS4 and beyond - my personal take on it   Message List  
Reply Message #1576 of 34375 |
Whilst Amiga Inc are getting all the details of OS4/5 up on their own
website I thought it might be useful to give my own views as to where we
are, where we are going and why the St Louis announcement was so pivotal to
the future of the Amiga. Its quite long I'm afraid, but hopefully a useful
basis for further discussion. If the general consensus is that it helps
clarify the issues involved I'll also stick it in the AmigaOne section of
our web site. If I've got some details wrong I'm sure Fleecy will comment
;-)


Over the last few months we have been working closely with Amiga Inc to
ensure that the AmigaOne is worthy of being the next generation Amiga - and
that of course means that it must have a robust, expandable, secure,
efficient real time operating system. But that was meant to be the Amiga DE
wasn't it? Well yes and no. The Amiga DE is a quite basic real-time
operating system designed primarily for single tasking - and certainly
single user - operations on embedded systems such as set top boxes, PDA's,
cell phones etc. And since these devices have both low power cpu's and very
limited user interfaces the DE needs to be free of much of the clutter that
we normally take for granted in a desktop operating system.

On the other hand a home server - the central box that coordinates all the
Amiga DE devices and runs 'proper' desktop applications - needs many more
facilities, such as task-level memory protection and OS-level virtual
memory, that are not practical to implement within the DE without completely
compromising its portability and speed.


So what we have now ended up with is the best of both worlds. Desktop Amiga
users will have a desktop/server OS, natively coded for the PPC, with added
memory protection, virtual memory and a much improved file system, whilst
still retaining the efficiency, real time responsiveness, elegance and
familiarity of the Classic Amiga OS. The DE will follow its own development
path but be totally integrated within OS4+

Developing the new OS is to be a 4-stage process:

- OS4.0 will be an updated version of OS3.9 with special facilities added to
allow existing classic Amiga applications to run on the AmigaOne, accessing
the classic Amiga hardware via the hardware bridge on the AmigaOne
1200/4000. Much of the operating system will still be in 680x0 code with in
line instruction conversion to PPC code.

- OS4.2 will add additional features and the recoding of much of the OS in
native PPC code. However the major milestone in this release will be the
complete retargeting of all operating system I/O away from Amiga specific
hardware/chipsets. This means that retargetable 'Classic' applications can
be run on the AmigaOne (or any Zico-compliant PPC board) without any
'classic' Amiga hardware present. At this stage the Amiga DE will also be
ported to the Amiga OS so that the AmigaOne can be used as a
development/porting platform for Amiga DE content (as a more familiar
alternative to the currently available Windows/Linux development
environments). Drivers will obviously be provided for those resources which
are retargeted to the AmigaOne motherboard (USB, sound, graphics, UDMA etc).

- OS4.5 will be an entirely PPC-native, entirely hardware independant
version of the operating system, with full driver support for all Zico
resources (FireWire, Matrox NG graphics cards, SCSI etc)

- OS5 is a full 64-bit fully distributed SMP operating system which will
implement virtual memory, memory protection and the Amiga DE in a
fully-spec'd, modular home-server/desktop OS.

OS4.x will only run on PPC boards conforming to the Zico specifications
which excludes BlizzardPPC & CyberStormPPC accelerators - even when coupled
with a Predator-SE PCI bus. We (and Amiga Inc) are pressing DCE, the current
manufacturers of these boards, to come up with a 'Zico compliance kit' to
preserve the investment of existing BPPC/CSPPC users and allow them to run
OS4.x.

Of course this means that - from OS 4.2 on - you will only need a existing
'Classic' Amiga for those few applications that are genuinely not
retargetable (ie those that still insist on 'hitting' the classic hardware).
All of the existing application software developers we have spoken to are
more than willing to port their applications to a fully hardware independent
PPC AmigaOne. This also means that by the time we would have scheduled the
design and production of the AmigaOne 3000 it would probably be an
irrelevant piece of hardware as far as most users are concerned. We're not
closing that door just yet, but, because of this hardware independance from
OS4.2 onwards we believe that existing Ax000 users will be able to run their
applications on stand-alone AmigaOne PPC hardware much sooner than we had
originally anticipated. And as far as that most famous of all big-box Amiga
accessories is concerned - the Video Toaster - we are going straight round
to NewTek ask them to port drivers for their existing PCI-based Toaster to
OS4.x as soon as production AmigaOnes are released!


Finally, one of the most significant parts of the announcement is that Amiga
Inc have decided - quite properly in my view - to take their ownership of
the Amiga OS seriously. They are taking development control, standards
definition and quality assurance for the Amiga OS back in house for the
first time since 1984. This is the first step in ensuring that we are no
longer blighted with compatibility issues between different software
modules, or 'kernel wars' between third party developers. Provided everyone
is sufficiently unbiassed to see the move in this light there is no reason
why Amiga shouldn't choose the best elements from Haage & Partner's WarpOS,
Ralph Schmidts's MorphOS, the work from the AROS project team and the
existing Classic OS in developing OS4 & 5. The important thing is that we
now have - in the shape of Fleecy Moss - a combined helmsman, navigator and
Captain for the Amiga OS. And I for one am fully committing our AmigaOne
hardware to Amiga's new OS strategy - for the sake of forward compatibility
and reliability - and without the diversion of seeing if we can get Linux,
MorphOS or anything else running on the AmigaOne board.

Hope this helps

Alan




Tue Apr 10, 2001 9:48 am

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Whilst Amiga Inc are getting all the details of OS4/5 up on their own website I thought it might be useful to give my own views as to where we are, where we...
Eyetech Group Ltd
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Apr 10, 2001
10:03 am

... Wait a moment... please clarify this point: do I need an a1200 board to run OS4.0? So far I believed I didn't, but now... Fabio Alemagna...
Fabio Alemagna
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Apr 10, 2001
10:14 am

... own ... where we ... pivotal to ... (HUGE Snip!!!) Good to hear Alan that you're trying to assist those with P5/DCE PPC boards. I've not got one myself...
johndavis@... Send Email Apr 10, 2001
10:22 am

... (Skip lots of good explanations) I think this is a great project, and is the right way forward. The comments I have made are to flag up some problems. ... ...
Don Cox
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Apr 10, 2001
11:02 am

<Big snip> ... Sure it did ! I'm reading this list since 4 or 5 weeks, and it's the first time I post something. I really think that with your explanations...
Herbert CAFFAREL
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Apr 10, 2001
11:02 am

Sensi Soccer! Sensi Soccer! ... [ Huge Snip ] ... [ And another huge snip ]...
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11:06 am

Come on, not only do I still need to finish Cannon Fodder, but I want Team Cannon Fodder - I don't even care if its in lookdown 2D. ... From:...
fleecy
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Apr 10, 2001
11:35 am

... Absolutley! This game is the reason I will always leave my original Commodore A1200 030, 2.1GB HD in it's case and hooked to a large TV :) The rest of my...
Wiseowl
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Apr 10, 2001
12:34 pm

... Good question ! I want to know, too ! ... http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Herbert....
Herbert CAFFAREL
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Apr 10, 2001
11:08 am

... etc are ... Yes - and they have 2 choices - keep the original Amiga connected to the AmigaOne, or remove it and us it on its own for those odd, (sad?)...
Eyetech Group Ltd
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Apr 10, 2001
12:09 pm

1. It will provide for both. 2. Either will run on OS5. Obviously you'll need a PPC based machine to run the PPC binaries though. ... From: Eyetech Group Ltd...
fleecy
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Apr 10, 2001
1:02 pm

Hello fleecy ... Unless someone writes emulators for PPC and 68k in VP. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@......
Don Cox
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Apr 10, 2001
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... Can I just ask you to clarify here, as I'm a bit confused. OS5 loses the ability to forward "hardware-hitting" calls onto an attached A1200 mb, and also...
Chris Young
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Apr 10, 2001
8:39 pm

OS5 will run OS4 in a sandbox (although it's not a box and there won't be any sand in it). I really hope though that by the time OS5 is upon us, there will be...
fleecy
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Apr 10, 2001
8:58 pm

Hello fleecy ... Isn't this what MorphOS currently does with AmigaOS? Both OS teams are really going in the same direction, just different routes. Maybe if...
Andy Hall
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Apr 10, 2001
10:42 pm

AmigaOS5 is much much more than just OS4 in a sandbox. In fact the sandbox is just there because it is easy to do, and to give compatability and a life for OS4...
fleecy
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Apr 11, 2001
6:41 am

... As I said "OS5 seems like it could be the biggest evolution of AmigaOS since 2.00.". This is perhaps one of the most exciting prospects, Compatibility...
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10:52 am

fleecy wrote in a Mail about "RE: [amigaone] Re: OS4 and beyond - my ... I feared this. There are a few incredibly good Amiga applications (one of the facts I...
Andreas Mixich
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Apr 11, 2001
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Hello Andreas ... I think it's very unlikely that there will be replacements for ImageMaster or True Brilliance. Regards -- Don Cox doncox@......
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Apr 11, 2001
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Don Cox wrote in a Mail about "[amigaone] Re: OS4 and beyond - my personal ... I thought more of UMS, Dopus5, the current state of ARexx with all its crazy and...
Andreas Mixich
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Apr 13, 2001
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Stranded in the middle of a field, fleecy <fleecy@...> lit a fire and sent ... So, OS5 will run retargetable OS4 apps - VP, PPC and 68K - in a ...
Chris Young
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Apr 11, 2001
8:32 pm

I can't go into that at this time. ... From: Chris Young [mailto:gerard.j@...] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:29 PM To: amigaone@yahoogroups.com ...
fleecy
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Apr 12, 2001
6:18 am

Hi Eyetech ... [snip great explanations] Thanks for making it all a lot clearer. PS. The two items I ordered from you yesterday arrived about an hour ago,...
Dave Norris
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Apr 10, 2001
1:54 pm

... Clearly we and Amiga Inc (and lots of others) have been doing a lot of behind the scenes work to make sure that OS4.0 and the AmigaOne are fully ...
Eyetech Group Ltd
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Apr 10, 2001
2:38 pm

Hail Eyetech ... The sun has been shining all ruddy day, its quite warm (when i put the heating on - well, it is Scotland..) and I'm sitting at this desk...
Steve Clark
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Apr 11, 2001
3:20 am

Hello Steve ... Me too me, too, LOL! Regards, GMaia...
Me
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Apr 11, 2001
4:41 am

Hello Eyetech, ... Finally ! :) ... I'll buy the SDK at this time :) ... Yeeeeaaaaahhh ! ... "seriously" in an important word here... ... Yessss ! ... Alan,...
Philippe 'Elwood' FER...
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Apr 10, 2001
8:50 pm

... If I read this right, this means that PCI cards will not be working in OS4.0, so you won't be able to retarget graphics and sound to the newer hardware? ...
Chris Young
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Apr 10, 2001
9:03 pm

Wrong 8-) Retargeting of graphics will be in OS4.0, as well as support for a few types of other card (SCSI etc). The point of OS4.2 is that all .devices will...
fleecy
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Apr 11, 2001
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