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RE: [ampelography] Books on Ampleography

Ray,

Sadly, that book has not been written yet.

With a collection of books you can approach that, but it is hard if you stay in
English. Part of this is that there is a feeling by many that classical
ampelography is as much an art as it is science. This is not a universally held
belief, but I believe it is more common with English speakers, who generally
have a more empirical focus.

If ampelography were pure science, reliable dicotamous keys could be developed -
they haven't. Galet tried this, and published some. There have been other
attempts to develop computer keys using multivariate analysis. These have been
a little successful, but are difficult to use, and their reliability breaks down
without an experienced user.

Of course, the trend is to use genetic ampelography, which is more reliable, but
still not very accessable.

Sorry I can not be more helpful.

Mark Hart

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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:10:06 +0100 (BST), Ray Pryke <raypryke@...> wrote:

> Hi Mark
>
> What I really want is a text book similar, or at least
> as technical as the Galet book Pactical Ampelography,
> again, in English. This book is $185 used from
> Amazon. There needs to be detailed pictures and
> reasonably informative technical text on the
> difference between the varieties and a little on clone
> distinction. It does need to be worldwide too. I
> have the grape Varieties book by Galet in English but
> it's not technical enough. I do tutored wine tasting
> and always write a booklet for each tasting.
> Obviously this does require a certain amount of
> technical research each time. I will get asked
> questions like what is the difference between Cabernet
> and Merlot, not just on taste, but physically.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ray Pryke
>
>
> --- markhart@... wrote:
> ---------------------------------
> Ray,
>
> Can you be a little more specific about what you seek.
>
> Are you looking to learn about classical ampelographic
> methods?
> Are you looking for a book with information about
> grape varieties?
> Should it be for the entire globe, or just a specific
> area?
> Does it need to be in English?
>
> Mark Hart
> ------------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:13:35 -0000, "Ray Pryke"
> <raypryke@...> wrote:
>
> > Please can anyone find me a decent book on the
> subject without having
> > to pay hundreds of dollars?
> >
> > Ray Pryke
> >
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Please can anyone find me a decent book on the subject without having to pay hundreds of dollars? Ray Pryke...
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the Galet book isnt to bad though far from complete. Most of the Jancis Robinson books have some pictures although not highly detailed. there's a site; ...
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Hi Ron Yes, I know what you mean. The real proper technical books are very expensive. I want something in English, informative, gives reasonable answers to ...
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Ray, Can you be a little more specific about what you seek. Are you looking to learn about classical ampelographic methods? Are you looking for a book with...
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Hi Mark What I really want is a text book similar, or at least as technical as the Galet book Pactical Ampelography, again, in English. This book is $185 used...
Ray Pryke
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Ray, Sadly, that book has not been written yet. With a collection of books you can approach that, but it is hard if you stay in English. Part of this is that...
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Once you can come up with an extensive list of the species names and synonyms, you can find a lot right on the web that describes the species. Of course some...
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... Galet's books are very technical and some of the identification methods (ex. angle of veins) is very hard for field identification. I can't reccomend any...
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Are we thinking of the same book? Translated by Lucie Morton, ISBN 0-8014-1240-4? I cant believe it's that expensive. Ron...
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Hi Ron Yep! The very same book would be a start. Amazon - I can't believe this either - have about 3 sources. It is the Galet book translated by Lucie Morton....
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Got to be honest. It's not that good of a book. Telling merlot from cabernet savignon would be easy. others are not and it depends alot on which leaf you pick...
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There are two titles available written by world famous ampelographer, Pierre Galet. 1. GRAPE VARIETIES AND ROOTSTOCK VARIETIES Price is $US 121.25. 2....
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Hi Tony Many thanks for your input. I will check these two books out. These are certainly half the price of Practical Ampelography by Galet. Regards, Ray...
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