--- In ampelography@yahoogroups.com, markhart@... wrote:
Galet's books are very technical and some of the identification methods (ex.
angle of veins) is very hard for field identification. I can't reccomend any
books other than what are already discussed, but I do have my notes and
guidelines from VEN 101A when I took it a few years ago. I saved the entire
quarter to my laptop. Let me know if you would like them. I can send them in an
email.



Robert





>
> Ray,
>
> Sadly, that book has not been written yet.
>
> With a collection of books you can approach that, but it is hard if you stay
in English. Part of this is that there is a feeling by many that classical
ampelography is as much an art as it is science. This is not a universally held
belief, but I believe it is more common with English speakers, who generally
have a more empirical focus.
>
> If ampelography were pure science, reliable dicotamous keys could be developed
- they haven't. Galet tried this, and published some. There have been other
attempts to develop computer keys using multivariate analysis. These have been
a little successful, but are difficult to use, and their reliability breaks down
without an experienced user.
>
> Of course, the trend is to use genetic ampelography, which is more reliable,
but still not very accessable.
>
> Sorry I can not be more helpful.
>
> Mark Hart
>
> ----------------------------------------Rau--------
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 12:10:06 +0100 (BST), Ray Pryke <raypryke@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > What I really want is a text book similar, or at least
> > as technical as the Galet book Pactical Ampelography,
> > again, in English. This book is $185 used from
> > Amazon. There needs to be detailed pictures and
> > reasonably informative technical text on the
> > difference between the varieties and a little on clone
> > distinction. It does need to be worldwide too. I
> > have the grape Varieties book by Galet in English but
> > it's not technical enough. I do tutored wine tasting
> > and always write a booklet for each tasting.
> > Obviously this does require a certain amount of
> > technical research each time. I will get asked
> > questions like what is the difference between Cabernet
> > and Merlot, not just on taste, but physically.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ray Pryke
> >
> >
> > --- markhart@... wrote:
> > ---------------------------------
> > Ray,
> >
> > Can you be a little more specific about what you seek.
> >
> > Are you looking to learn about classical ampelographic
> > methods?
> > Are you looking for a book with information about
> > grape varieties?
> > Should it be for the entire globe, or just a specific
> > area?
> > Does it need to be in English?
> >
> > Mark Hart
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 22:13:35 -0000, "Ray Pryke"
> > <raypryke@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Please can anyone find me a decent book on the
> > subject without having
> > > to pay hundreds of dollars?
> > >
> > > Ray Pryke
> > >
> > >
> > >
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