Hi Michel,

Thank you for replying to my email.

Could you please send me the name and author of the "Ampelography text" you
mention in your email.

Thanks again,
Jon


--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Michel White <grapeseek@...> wrote:

> From: Michel White <grapeseek@...>
> Subject: Re: [ampelography] Unusual request
> To: ampelography@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 7:09 AM
> Have you looked into borrowing the Ampelography text because
> that has many line drawings.  Or if you are rich you can
> probably purchase one...if you can locate one from an online
> book seller.  Best of luck
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> Mr. Michel White
> http://www.goodfolkshosting.com - Domain Names and
> Hosting     http://www.vitisearch.com - Grape Growing
> Directory
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Have you looked into borrowing the Ampelography text because that has many line
drawings.  Or if you are rich you can probably purchase one...if you can locate
one from an online book seller.  Best of luck

Mr. Michel White
http://www.goodfolkshosting.com - Domain Names and Hosting    
http://www.vitisearch.com - Grape Growing Directory

--- On Sat, 3/14/09, Silver Artisans <silverartisans@...> wrote:
From: Silver Artisans <silverartisans@...>
Subject: [ampelography] Unusual request
To: ampelography@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 12:19 PM














Like all of you I truly enjoy wine, maybe too much. My request has nothing to do
with wine making or drinking for that matter. I am a silver jewelry maker and I
cannot find art, preferably accurate line drawing art, that shows the various
wine LEAVES. I would then use the drawings to produce various bracelets, rings,
pendants, earrings, etc.



I have been all over Google without success and I would appreciate any direction
you wine lovers could give me.



Regards,

Jon Olson





























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Like all of you I truly enjoy wine, maybe too much. My request has nothing to do
with wine making or drinking for that matter. I am a silver jewelry maker and I
cannot find art, preferably accurate line drawing art, that shows the various
wine LEAVES. I would then use the drawings to produce various bracelets, rings,
pendants, earrings, etc.

I have been all over Google without success and I would appreciate any direction
you wine lovers could give me.

Regards,
Jon Olson

Once you can come up with an extensive list of the species names and
synonyms, you can find a lot right on the web that describes the
species.  Of course some are so similar that it is an endless dispute
as to which are true species and which are hybrids of two species and
anyhow, just what defines a 'species'?  Yes, they seem to breed 'true'
but isn't that true of an inbreed?
I think that we in America are lucky to have what appear to be the best
sort of vines for breeding.
Asiatic Vitis has some good fruiting types, but not the good root
parasite resistance.
I think we'll yet find a few more odd species? in Western China or
Northern India, Afghanistan.

Is anyone familiar with the Tetrastigma vitaceae, and has anyone heard
of how it is an invasive vine in Hawaii?  I understand it has good
fruit though.

Please contact me off list.  I am almost your neighbor.

Hi everyone,
   A lot of people have been emailing me this year about the pictures I used to
have at grapepictures.com which is no longer mine.

   Finally I've put up all of the pictures from the old site into a temporary but
functional photo gallery for anyone to view or use.  I still have many more
pictures to scan and put online as time permits and I plan to scan all of my
photos for the gallery eventually.
   The gallery is located at
   http://www.grapegrowersolutions.com/cgi-bin/photogallery/emAlbum.cgi

   I plan to put up an album in the gallery for other growers to submit their own
pictures to whenever I get a chance.

   Also we have free classifieds for grapes and wine stuff at
grapegrowersolutions.com and
   we'll soon be opening our storefront to sell cuttings, fertilizers and YOUR
products if you need a place to sell them.  I'm trying to keep everything free
for the growers and when we do sell something to sell it cheaper than you'll
find it anywhere else.
   The classifieds are at
   http://www.grapegrowersolutions.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi

   Best regards and happy growing this year!
   Michel


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You know Carl what I'd really like to learn is grape taxonomy, Unless I am
mistaken that would permit me to identify the differences as well as the
simularities between Vitis Riparia, Vitis "Beta" and say Vitis "Concord". A
real grape breeders working key to the various species.



Jean Houle
Charlemagne Quebec
Zone de rusticité 4b-5a du Canada
Canada plant hardiness zone 4b-5a
Sud-ouest du Québec / Southwest Québec

"Petit ou grand, un bon vin a la gueule de l'endroit où il est né, et les
tripes du bonhomme qui l'a fait." Jacques Puisais

"The best chance of success is crossing adaptive hybrids on other adaptive
hybrids."
Elmer Swenson










>From: "Carl Camper" <chateaustripmine@...>
>Reply-To: ampelography@yahoogroups.com
>To: ampelography@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [ampelography] Ampelography database
>Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 20:56:39 -0000
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>Each winter I choose something to study - inside where it is warm. This
>year the subject is ampelography. By spring I should be able to mis-
>identify nearly any vine with authority.
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>Does anyone know of any ampelography databases readily available on the
>internet?
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>Carl
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Alrighty then Carl!
   I hope you find what you are looking for and that you will let us know on this
list if you find anything interesting.

   Michel

Chateau Stripmine <chateaustripmine@...> wrote:
           Thanks Mike.

I have to admit my main reason for learning ampelography is to sharpen my
eye. When I took animal taxonomy classes many years ago I didn't learn all
that much taxonomy. However after hours of staring at fish and the like, I
was more able discern small differences and recognize oddities. I never
studied plants so I need to touch up those skills.

Besides I don't think any of my crosses are likely to be sequenced. :-)

Carl

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Thanks Mike.

I have to admit my main reason for learning ampelography is to sharpen my
eye. When I took animal taxonomy classes many years ago I didn't learn all
that much taxonomy. However after hours of staring at fish and the like, I
was more able discern small differences and recognize oddities. I never
studied plants so I need to touch up those skills.

Besides I don't think any of my crosses are likely to be sequenced. :-)

Carl


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The only one that I have really ever used is the Vitis Intl. Variety Database at
   http://www.genres.de/idb/vitis/

   I hope this helps...
   Michel in Atlanta

Carl Camper <chateaustripmine@...> wrote:
           Each winter I choose something to study - inside where it is warm.
This
year the subject is ampelography. By spring I should be able to mis-
identify nearly any vine with authority.

Does anyone know of any ampelography databases readily available on the
internet?

Carl






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Each winter I choose something to study - inside where it is warm. This
year the subject is ampelography. By spring I should be able to mis-
identify nearly any vine with authority.

Does anyone know of any ampelography databases readily available on the
internet?

Carl

Check with Corban's Viticulture in New Zealand for Green Veltliner
Susan

At 02:19 PM 9/6/2006, you wrote:

>But Tony is in NZ (at least that's where his email came outta). Wouldn't he
>need to get the materials from a NZ source?
>
>-Jim-

Susan Nelson-Kluk
Grape Program Manager
Foundation Plant Services
University of California
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616
Phone: 530-752-0538
FAX: 530-752-2132
World Wide Web:  http://fps.ucdavis.edu/

But Tony is in NZ (at least that's where his email came outta).  Wouldn't he
need to get the materials from a NZ source?

-Jim-

-----Original Message-----
From: ampelography@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ampelography@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Michel White
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:22 PM
To: ampelography@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ampelography]

That sure is a lot easier than trying to get it from Germany!
   Thanks Susan.
   Michel

Susan Nelson-Kluk <sanelsonkluk@...> wrote:
           We have a selection of Green Veltliner in the Foundation Plant
Services (formerly Foundation Plant Materials Service), UC Davis
collection if that would be helpful to you. Ordering information is
on the web at http://fps.ucdavis.edu/. I understand that Green
Veltliner is a synonym for Gruener Veltliner.
Susan Nelson-Kluk

At 06:57 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find some Gruener Veltliner for
ampelographical
>purposes?
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>Tony Baker
>

Susan Nelson-Kluk
Grape Program Manager
Foundation Plant Services
University of California
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616
Phone: 530-752-0538
FAX: 530-752-2132
World Wide Web: http://fps.ucdavis.edu/






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That sure is a lot easier than trying to get it from Germany!
   Thanks Susan.
   Michel

Susan Nelson-Kluk <sanelsonkluk@...> wrote:
           We have a selection of Green Veltliner in the Foundation Plant
Services (formerly Foundation Plant Materials Service), UC Davis
collection if that would be helpful to you. Ordering information is
on the web at http://fps.ucdavis.edu/. I understand that Green
Veltliner is a synonym for Gruener Veltliner.
Susan Nelson-Kluk

At 06:57 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find some Gruener Veltliner for ampelographical
>purposes?
>
>Tony Baker
>

Susan Nelson-Kluk
Grape Program Manager
Foundation Plant Services
University of California
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616
Phone: 530-752-0538
FAX: 530-752-2132
World Wide Web: http://fps.ucdavis.edu/






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We have a selection of Green Veltliner in the Foundation Plant
Services (formerly Foundation Plant Materials Service), UC Davis
collection if that would be helpful to you. Ordering information is
on the web at http://fps.ucdavis.edu/. I understand that Green
Veltliner is a synonym for Gruener Veltliner.
Susan Nelson-Kluk

At 06:57 PM 9/5/2006, you wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find some Gruener Veltliner for ampelographical
>purposes?
>
>Tony Baker
>

Susan Nelson-Kluk
Grape Program Manager
Foundation Plant Services
University of California
One Shields Avenue
Davis, CA 95616
Phone: 530-752-0538
FAX: 530-752-2132
World Wide Web:  http://fps.ucdavis.edu/

Tony
   I think this is Erika Dettweiller that I knew from Geilweilerhof in Germany.
   She may have gotten married...

   At any rate she will know who to contact there if there is any GV for you.
   Michel
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   Dr. Erika Maul
Institute for Grapevine Breeding Geilweilerhof
D-76833 Siebeldingen
Germany
TEL +(49)-6345-41 0
FAX: +(49)-6345-919050
EMAIL: E.Maul@...


Tony Baker <TONY.BAKER@...> wrote:
           Does anyone know where I can find some Gruener Veltliner for
ampelographical
purposes?

Tony Baker






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The actual reason why the list fizzled until now is because I wasn't doing a
berry good job of moderating the group and the spammers got in and drove
everyone away.
   I'm moderating again and hope to continue for the rest of my life, God
willing.

   With the many books I have from being involved with grapes so long I still
don't have a copy of the Ampelography yet but hope to get one someday.
   It will be good to have you aboard.

   I'm unfortunately in Georgia right now and am too new with growing in the deep
south to start another vineyard but that will change in a few years as soon as I
can move a bit further north.

   Welcome to the group!
   M

Carl Camper <chateaustripmine@...> wrote:
           Michel

I read the message archive and it does appear that interest has been
slow...

Unfortunately, I am not much of a leader. I am relatively new to
grapes. I retired a couple years ago and planted a vineyard in
southeastern Montana. Actually the wife suggested a few vines and I
just followed my usual pattern - 'Anything worth doing is worth over-
doing'. Now I have about 250 vines and room for that many more.

Now I have acquired a copy a copy of 'A Practical Ampelography' and I
thought I might spend the winter learning to identify some of
the 'unknowns' that I run into. Maybe I could be of some use?

Carl

--- In ampelography@yahoogroups.com, "Michel White" <michel@...> wrote:
>
> Since Lucie left this group a few years ago there has been very
little
> participation.
> Don't expect your mailbox to get full from this group but there is
> myself and a few others who are silently interested in ampelography
> yet.
>
> Welcome!
> Michel White
>






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you will probably find your best sources in Germany Tony...
   Siebeldingen sounds like a place I would start to ask.
   I will try to look up the info and forward it to you.
   Michel

Tony Baker <TONY.BAKER@...> wrote:
           Does anyone know where I can find some Gruener Veltliner for
ampelographical
purposes?

Tony Baker






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Does anyone know where I can find some Gruener Veltliner for ampelographical
purposes?

Tony Baker

Michel

I read the message archive and it does appear that interest has been
slow...

Unfortunately, I am not much of a leader. I am relatively new to
grapes. I retired a couple years ago and planted a vineyard in
southeastern Montana. Actually the wife suggested a few vines and I
just followed my usual pattern - 'Anything worth doing is worth over-
doing'. Now I have about 250 vines and room for that many more.

Now I have acquired a copy a copy of 'A Practical Ampelography' and I
thought I might spend the winter learning to identify some of
the 'unknowns' that I run into. Maybe I could be of some use?

Carl

--- In ampelography@yahoogroups.com, "Michel White" <michel@...> wrote:
>
> Since Lucie left this group a few years ago there has been very
little
> participation.
> Don't expect your mailbox to get full from this group but there is
> myself and a few others who are silently interested in ampelography
> yet.
>
> Welcome!
> Michel White
>

Since Lucie left this group a few years ago there has been very little
participation.
Don't expect your mailbox to get full from this group but there is
myself and a few others who are silently interested in ampelography
yet.

Welcome!
Michel White

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ampelography group:

Do you have a grape growing or winemaking product you would like to sell on the
internet but can't for one reason or another?

   o Yes
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   o What kind of ampelographic question is that?
   o No, but I know the square root of 625!


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Thanks!

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Does anyone know of a book that can help one identify the wild grape
vines?  would like to be able to do this and then when I get my small
vinyard in maybe try my hand at grape breeding.

I would like someone qualified to take over the ampelography
group please.
I have no time anymore to do it justice but do not want to delete
the group.
Please email me at guru@... and not on the list.
Thanks!
Michel White

Hi Tony

Many thanks for your input.  I will check these two
books out.  These are certainly half the price of
Practical Ampelography by Galet.

Regards,

Ray Pryke

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1.  GRAPE VARIETIES AND ROOTSTOCK VARIETIES
Price is $US 121.25.

2.  GENERAL VITICULTURE
Price is $US 125.00.

Plus postage.

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There are two titles available written by world famous ampelographer, Pierre
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1.  GRAPE VARIETIES AND ROOTSTOCK VARIETIES
Price is $US 121.25.

2.  GENERAL VITICULTURE
Price is $US 125.00.

Plus postage.

order from:

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UCD Bookstore
Special Orders Department
2828 Cowell Blvd.
530-752-9074
530-752-4791 (fax)
glopperman@...