ancient_waterways_society : Messages : 2830-2864 of 3450

Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't it be both?

--- On Mon, 3/19/12, Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...> wrote:

From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 19, 2012, 11:19 AM

Martin,
I believe some of the links that were if recent messages talked about back and forth traffic on the East coast. There is some good reading in the messages and on the links in them.
Ted
On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:36 AM, martincarriere@... wrote:

These one way passage theories are nice yet by excluding the indigenous understanding of the history of the world, which goes a lot further back than 20,000 years, the theories are euro-biased. The indigenous understanding for many is that our families left from the Americas over the ice bridge following their food supplies that were migrating close to 40,000 years ago to merge with the neanderthal peoples creating the cro-magnan evolution. This little discussed understanding is more supportable than any of these later theories of the european families coming here to invent their ancestors.

Love and blessings to all,
Martin Carriere

#2831

From: "bigalemc2" <puppet@...>
Date: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago

bigalemc2

It always amazes me how rarely we all view new developments and new discoveries in terms of the continuum of our collective understanding. These Delmarva findings are not the final word, just as the previous state of affairs was not. At all times 'modern' man for some idiotic seems to think, "Now we know it all," while in reality we are only just a bit further along the continuum. We can pick up our marker and move it another millimeter along the way, the way which stretches so far out into the future. Our knowledge of the past is a work in progress. We didn't know all the day before these discoveries were made, we don't know it all now, and we won't know it all twenty years from now.

At the same time, it is thoroughly enjoyable to see, when evidence supporting our own piecing together of the past - especially when it shows the establishment mumbo jumbo pap-for-the-masses crap for the b.s. that it is.

The arkies will be dragged, kicking and screaming, one freaking piece of evidence at a time, into our perspective. We do not think we know it all. We only accept more evidence than the arkies do, and that has given us a bigger - and more complete - picture of the past, even if it is not the whole picture. It is good when "I told you so" moments come along, mostly because it affirms our superior intelligence (I do mean that literally!). Superior intelligence means better discernment and better assembling of the facts at hand, so we should not run around with false modesty - particularly when an event makes the less intelligent arkies have to further update their gestalt.

It is very significant that new discoveries move the gestalt closer to our POV, while year after year their POV is shown to be more and more inadequate - even as they adapt their POV and pretend that they knew it all along. Even their new POVs are inadequate! At every stage of the game, their POV has to keep changing, while ours stands in one spot while the evidence moves ever nearer.

Superior intelligence does mean better discernment and better assembling, and we should all be proud and happy that we were able to see the bigger picture long ago. Yes, watching their slow agonizing progress and their so-often wrong turns is a pain - because if we were in their collective shoes we would all have moved the understanding forward so much faster.

So, pat yourselves on the back every time one of these moments comes along that moves the overall understanding another inch toward our POV.

Steve Garcia

#2832

From: William Conner <conner6343@...>
Date: Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago

conner6343...

Steve:

Archaeology as it is done by American professionals is a joke. While in some fields of study the professionals work at the highest level of inquiry, our pros are stuck in the muck of the old "none before Columbus" bull.... No one knows this better than I do, because I became the beneficiary of their fear of crossing the "none before" line. And I was invited and encouraged by some of them to lead the investigation of Ohio's prehistoric iron furnaces. So I

can't be too upset about their behavior. However, I do wish someone would cross this line and work with me at the site where I found the world's only cast iron hand axe. This site is a low first terrace above the North Fork of Paint Creek just outside of Chillicothe, Ohio, and could be swept away by a flood.

William Conner

Author of "Iron Age America: Before Columbus"

From: bigalemc2 <puppet@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 3:19:54 PM
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago

It always amazes me how rarely we all view new developments and new discoveries in terms of the continuum of our collective understanding. These Delmarva findings are not the final word, just as the previous state of affairs was not. At all times 'modern' man for some idiotic seems to think, "Now we know it all," while in reality we are only just a bit further along the continuum. We can pick up our marker and move it another millimeter along the way, the way which stretches so far out into the future. Our knowledge of the past is a work in progress. We didn't know all the day before these discoveries were made, we don't know it all now, and we won't know it all twenty years from now.

At the same time, it is thoroughly enjoyable to see, when evidence supporting our own piecing together of the past - especially when it shows the establishment mumbo jumbo pap-for-the-masses crap for the b.s. that it is.

The arkies will be dragged, kicking and screaming, one freaking piece of evidence at a time, into our perspective. We do not think we know it all. We only accept more evidence than the arkies do, and that has given us a bigger - and more complete - picture of the past, even if it is not the whole picture. It is good when "I told you so" moments come along, mostly because it affirms our superior intelligence (I do mean that literally!). Superior intelligence means better discernment and better assembling of the facts at hand, so we should not run around with false modesty - particularly when an event makes the less intelligent arkies have to further update their gestalt.

It is very significant that new discoveries move the gestalt closer to our POV, while year after year their POV is shown to be more and more inadequate - even as they adapt their POV and pretend that they knew it all along. Even their new POVs are inadequate! At every stage of the game, their POV has to keep changi! ng, while ours stands in one spot while the evidence moves ever nearer.

Superior intelligence does mean better discernment and better assembling, and we should all be proud and happy that we were able to see the bigger picture long ago. Yes, watching their slow agonizing progress and their so-often wrong turns is a pain - because if we were in their collective shoes we would all have moved the understanding forward so much faster.

So, pat yourselves on the back every time one of these moments comes along that moves the overall understanding another inch toward our POV.

Steve Garcia

#2833

From: "Rick O" <ozman@...>
Date: Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago

ozmanusaa

Yes, William, finding an artifact that is of an undeniable nature is not something the Columbus First crowd wants to do themselves. The irony (pun fully intended) is that a dozen or so artifacts or other types of evidence (DNA, skeletal, linguistic, scripts, technologies, burial practices, collateral species, etc.) all coincide fairly well for at least a half dozen waves of migration. And, as Martin pointed out, the waves washed both ways.

Perhaps one day the public outcry will be too loud for the naysayers to override it.

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, William Conner <conner6343@...> wrote:
>
> Steve:
>
> Archaeology as it is done by American professionals is a joke.� While in some
> fields of study the professionals work at the highest level of inquiry, our pros
> are stuck in the muck of the old "none before Columbus" bull....� No one knows
> this better than I do, because I became the beneficiary of their fear of
> crossing the "none before" line.� And I was invited and encouraged by some of
> them to lead the investigation of Ohio's prehistoric iron furnaces.� So� I
>
> can't be too upset about their behavior.� However, I do wish someone would cross
> this line and work with me at the site where I found the world's only cast iron
> hand axe.� This site is a low first terrace above the North Fork of Paint Creek
> just outside� of Chillicothe, Ohio, and could be swept away by a flood.�
>
>
> William Conner�
> Author of "Iron Age America: Before Columbus"�
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bigalemc2 puppet@...
> To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 3:19:54 PM
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: Radical theory of first Americans
> places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago
>
> �
> It always amazes me how rarely we all view new developments and new discoveries
> in terms of the continuum of our collective understanding.� These Delmarva
> findings are not the final word, just as the previous state of affairs was not.�
> At all times 'modern' man for some idiotic seems to think, "Now we know it all,"
> while in reality we are only just a bit further along the continuum.� We can
> pick up our marker and move it another millimeter along the way, the way which
> stretches so far out into the future.� Our knowledge of the past is a work in
> progress.� We didn't know all the day before these discoveries were made, we
> don't know it all now, and we won't know it all twenty years from now.
>
> At the same time, it is thoroughly enjoyable to see, when evidence supporting
> our own piecing together of the past - especially when it shows the
> establishment mumbo jumbo pap-for-the-masses crap for the b.s. that it is.
>
> The arkies will be dragged, kicking and screaming, one freaking piece of
> evidence at a time, into our perspective.� We do not think we know it all.� We
> only accept more evidence than the arkies do, and that has given us a bigger -
> and more complete - picture of the past, even if it is not the whole picture.�
> It is good when "I told you so" moments come along, mostly because it affirms
> our superior intelligence (I do mean that literally!).� Superior intelligence
> means better discernment and better assembling of the facts at hand, so we
> should not run around with false modesty - particularly when an event makes the
> less intelligent arkies have to further update their gestalt.
>
> It is very significant that new discoveries move the gestalt closer to our POV,
> while year after year their POV is shown to be more and more inadequate - even
> as they adapt their POV and pretend that they knew it all along.� Even their new
> POVs are inadequate!� At every stage of the game, their POV has to keep changi!
> ng, while ours stands in one spot while the evidence moves ever nearer.
>
> Superior intelligence does mean better discernment and better assembling, and we
> should all be proud and happy that we were able to see the bigger picture long
> ago.� Yes, watching their slow agonizing progress and their so-often wrong turns
> is a pain - because if we were in their collective shoes we would all have moved
> the understanding forward so much faster.
>
> So, pat yourselves on the back every time one of these moments comes along that
> moves the overall understanding another inch toward our POV.
>
> Steve Garcia
>

#2834

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:59 pm
Subject: My ATM sent messsage regarding Brad Lepper [not yet approved]

jameyboyusa

#4413 Not So Lost Ancient Civilizations

Another review with Brad Lepper again?

I reviewed very little of this part two segment for now. I'm not a deffusionist,
if so considered I guess I owe it to religious influence as of what little I
know is still in question. It didn't take a curator
or archaeological scientist to determine the authinticity of the Bat Creek Stone
in my case, but the historical research of an 8th grade history teacher who had
moved to Bat Creek to teach, that alone is good enough for a historical
society... I didn't need a book nor an approval. I simply felt I had read enough
about it. Which brings me to Brad Lepper and the former curator of Ohio
Archaeological Historical Society to which this article as well as his were
written about the same time. Perhaps some defussionist or archaeologist would
aquire permission to be digitally transferred to ATM before jumping to
conclusions. Some may considrer deffussionist to be some sort of religious
movment as adhearing to some philosophy. But to be honest, perhaps someone here
could convince Dr. Lepper that there are some new scientific terms at Wikipedia
that would be more helpful if he was just a little more considerate sticking to
science instead of conducting distateful drama such as this. Facts are facts but
there is just a little more to consider. A diffussion of sorts if you will.

be well,
jamey

--- In ArchaeologyTheoryMethod@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <email...> wrote:
>
>
> A review of THE LOST CIVILIZATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA
>
>
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_-\
_part_two_false_messages
>

#2835

From: William Conner <conner6343@...>
Date: Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:27 pm
Subject: Re: My ATM sent messsage regarding Brad Lepper [not yet approved]

conner6343...

Jamey:

Don't waste your time debating archeology with Brad Lepper. He is strictly a party line pro archie and confusing him with solid evidence to the contrary is useless. Consider this: as I explain in detail in my book "Iron Age America: Before Columbus," iron furnaces of a type last used in Europe before 1492 were constructed and used by someone in prehistoric Ohio. The diagnostic artifact, the glass covered hearth stone, was found at 35 sites in south central Ohio in boggy terrain where bog ore is found. The most important artifact I found back in the 1990s when I was working in the field was a cast iron hand axe. To date, this is the world's only cast iron hand axe.

The glazed stones were used to form the hearth of these furnaces and the glass that covers the stones melts away from the ore as it forms a "bloom" of cast iron. Lepper knows me and knows about my archaeology. I have even appeared as a speaker at meeting where Lepper also gave a talk. Lepper also knows about my background as a science colunist for newspapers, a fomer member of the Bell Labs public relations staff and former editor of a Washington, DC telecommunications newsletter.

It is Lepper who is close to practicing a "religion" when he is working with scant evidence based upon very few known facts about Ohio's so-called prehistoric "Mound Builders." This isn't Lepper's fault, because not much is known about them. But it seems to me Lepper is having too much fun bugging folks who are interested in unorthodox archaeolgy...

William Conner, author

"Iron Age America: Before Columbus"

From: james m clark jr <jameyboy@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, March 23, 2012 12:59:47 PM
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] My ATM sent messsage regarding Brad Lepper [not yet approved]

#4413 Not So Lost Ancient Civilizations

Another review with Brad Lepper again?

I reviewed very little of this part two segment for now. I'm not a deffusionist, if so considered I guess I owe it to religious influence as of what little I know is still in question. It didn't take a curator
or archaeological scientist to determine the authinticity of the Bat Creek Stone in my case, but the historical research of an 8th grade history teacher who had moved to Bat Creek to teach, that alone is good enough for a historical society... I didn't need a book nor an approval. I simply felt I had read enough about it. Which brings me to Brad Lepper and the former curator of Ohio Archaeological Historical Society to which this article as well as his were written about the same time. Perhaps some defussionist or archaeologist would aquire permission to be digitally transferred to ATM before jumping to conclusions. Some may considrer deffussionist to be some sort of religious movment as adhearing to some philosophy. But to be honest, perhaps someone here could convince Dr. Lepper that there are some new scientific terms at Wikipedia that would be more helpful if he was just a little more considerate sticking to science instead of conducting distateful drama such as this. Facts are facts but there is just a little more to consider. A diffussion of sorts if you will.

be well,
jamey

--- In ArchaeologyTheoryMethod@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <email...> wrote:
>
>
> A review of THE LOST CIVILIZATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA
>
> http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_-_part_two_false_messages
>

#2839

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:20 am
Subject: Has any facebookers picked the new timeline option yet?

jameyboyusa

I use dipity.coms timeline and since then I have been working on it creating a
bi-monthly setting for a Yahoo! group that includes biblical archaeology,
academic paper submittions as well as much of the digitized world of both Hebrew
and Christian Philosophies which is a group currently called Between
Philosophies. The dipity timeline is simply called Hebrew & Christian
Philosophies on the Web

http://www.dipity.com/mirageinspectorJay/Free-Christian-Philosophy-On-the-Web/

today I am adding the St. Laurentius Digital Manuscript Library provided by Lund
University.

http://laurentius.ub.lu.se/

be well,
jamey

#2840

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:09 am
Subject: Re: My ATM sent messsage regarding Brad Lepper [not yet approved]

jameyboyusa

Hey Will,

I have no intention to debate archaeology it's the philosophy that doesn't
promote good science or archaeology that I would be concerned about. That is my
passion. I'm not concerned about his issues or the mysterious hole in his
pocket. Even more concerned about those listed amongst him. You just can't rub
him off and leave him in the Yoder's
clogged washway just below the feeding canopy. I guess you could say I need
pastserizing myself and this seems to be the right line to address if one is
willing and able. I am of course remind of Ancient American Magizine... well
done, well written regarding the Lepper vs a Lepper scholar.

be well,
jamey

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, William Conner
<conner6343@...> wrote:
>
> Jamey:
>
> Don't waste your time debating archeology with Brad Lepper.�  He is strictly a
> party line pro archie and confusing him with solid evidence to the contrary is
> useless.�  Consider this:�  as I explain in detail in my book "Iron Age
America:
> Before Columbus," iron furnaces of a type last used in Europe before 1492 were
> constructed and used by someone in prehistoric Ohio.�  The diagnostic
artifact,
> the glass covered hearth stone, was found at 35 sites in south central Ohio in
> boggy terrain where bog ore is found.� �  The most important artifact I found
back
> in the 1990s when I was working in the field was a cast iron hand axe.�  To
date,
> this is the world'sonly cast iron hand axe.
>
> The glazed stones were used to form the hearth of these furnaces and the glass
> that covers the stones melts away from the ore as it� forms a "bloom" of cast
> iron.�  Lepper knows me and knows about my archaeology.�  I have even appeared
as
> a speaker at� meeting where Lepper also gave a talk.�  Lepper also knows about
my
> background as a science colunist for newspapers, a fomer member of the Bell
Labs
> public relations staff and former editor of a Washington, DC
telecommunications
> newsletter.�
>
>
> It is Lepper who is close to practicing a "religion" when he is working with
> scant evidence based upon very few known facts about Ohio's so-called
> prehistoric "Mound Builders."� �  This isn't Lepper's fault, because not much
is
> known about them.�  But it seems to me Lepper is having too much fun bugging
> folks who are interested in unorthodox archaeolgy...�
>
>
> William Conner, author
> "Iron Age America: Before Columbus"
>
>
> �
>
> ________________________________
> From: james m clark jr <jameyboy@...>
> To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, March 23, 2012 12:59:47 PM
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] My ATM sent messsage regarding Brad
Lepper
> [not yet approved]
>
> �
> #4413 Not So Lost Ancient Civilizations
>
> Another review with Brad Lepper again?
>
> I reviewed very little of this part two segment for now. I'm not a
deffusionist,
> if so considered I guess I owe it to religious influence as of what little I
> know is still in question. It didn't take a curator
> or archaeological scientist to determine the authinticity of the Bat Creek
Stone
> in my case, but the historical research of an 8th grade history teacher who
had
> moved to Bat Creek to teach, that alone is good enough for a historical
> society... I didn't need a book nor an approval. I simply felt I had read
enough
> about it. Which brings me to Brad Lepper and the former curator of Ohio
> Archaeological Historical Society to which this article as well as his were
> written about the same time. Perhaps some defussionist or archaeologist would
> aquire permission to be digitally transferred to ATM before jumping to
> conclusions. Some may considrer deffussionist to be some sort of religious
> movment as adhearing to some philosophy. But to be honest, perhaps someone
here
> could convince Dr. Lepper that there are some new scientific terms at
Wikipedia
> that would be more helpful if he was just a little more considerate sticking
to
> science instead of conducting distateful drama such as this. Facts are facts
but
> there is just a little more to consider. A diffussion of sorts if you will.
>
> be well,
> jamey
>
> --- In ArchaeologyTheoryMethod@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <email...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A review of THE LOST CIVILIZATIONS OF NORTH AMERICA
> >
>
>http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizations_lost_and_found_fabricating_history_\
-_part_two_false_messages

#2841

From: TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:26 am
Subject: Re: Has any facebookers picked the new timeline option yet?

trayloroo

Very interesting. The Bible has proved to be a valuable history reference, a reliable source. What do you find in your timeline that supports the European visitations to the Americas, pre Columbian?

Cal

==========================

From: james m clark jr <jameyboy@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Has any facebookers picked the new timeline option yet?

I use dipity.coms timeline and since then I have been working on it creating a bi-monthly setting for a Yahoo! group that includes biblical archaeology, academic paper submittions as well as much of the digitized world of both Hebrew and Christian Philosophies which is a group currently called Between Philosophies. The dipity timeline is simply called Hebrew & Christian Philosophies on the Web

http://www.dipity.com/mirageinspectorJay/Free-Christian-Philosophy-On-the-Web/

today I am adding the St. Laurentius Digital Manuscript Library provided by Lund University.

http://laurentius.ub.lu.se/

be well,
jamey

#2842

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:44 am
Subject: Re: Has any facebookers picked the new timeline option yet?

jameyboyusa

Nothing from mainland Europe... dinos perhaps.
However like Martin's unique geneological record
Huari Titu Capac may have relations to percolumbian
Ibrian Lords in Spain {AWS #2635). Then there is
Solomon's land of Ophar as well a Ericsons com-
mission and the Jewishness of Columbus himself.
None of which can be truely be considered European
as sons of Simon the eldest sons of Jacob.

be well,
jamey



--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
wrote:
>
> Very interesting. The Bible has proved to be a valuable history reference, a
reliable source. What do you find in your timeline that supports the European
visitations to the Americas, pre Columbian?  
>  
>  Cal                
>
>  ==========================
>
>  
> ________________________________
>  From: james m clark jr <jameyboy@...>
> To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:20 PM
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Has any facebookers picked the new
timeline option yet?
>
>
>
>  
>
> I use dipity.coms timeline and since then I have been working on it creating a
bi-monthly setting for a Yahoo! group that includes biblical archaeology,
academic paper submittions as well as much of the digitized world of both Hebrew
and Christian Philosophies which is a group currently called Between
Philosophies. The dipity timeline is simply called Hebrew & Christian
Philosophies on the Web
>
> http://www.dipity.com/mirageinspectorJay/Free-Christian-Philosophy-On-the-Web/
>
> today I am adding the St. Laurentius Digital Manuscript Library provided by
Lund University.
>
> http://laurentius.ub.lu.se/
>
> be well,
> jamey
>

#2843

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: White Race Origins

The UK Dominion of Canada was established by genociding about 95-98% of the
indigenous native population.

Before we European-American need to make amends for our bloody abuse and
oppression of native peoples--not blaming the victims of our own atrocities and
depravities.

Jeff Lewin


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-----Original Message-----
From: "kbs2244" <kbs2244@...>
Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:13:41
To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] White Race Origins

This is just plain raciest.





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#2844

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: White Race Origins

Pressed the 'send' button too soon on that post--presumably, my point came
through clearly enough.

Jeff

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-----Original Message-----
From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:45:59
To: Ancient Waterways Society<ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] White Race Origins

The UK Dominion of Canada was established by genociding about 95-98% of the
indigenous native population.

Before we European-American need to make amends for our bloody abuse and
oppression of native peoples--not blaming the victims of our own atrocities and
depravities.

Jeff Lewin

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "kbs2244" <kbs2244@...>
Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:13:41
To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] White Race Origins

This is just plain raciest.

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#2845

From: TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: White Race Origins

trayloroo

Suggested Reminders:

Wars between peoples happened ... forever... including all colors, sizes, and shapes, religions.

DO NOT judge the actions of other peoples ... in other times ... or current times .... using your current ethics, laws, and moralities.

That all people, forever, have had religion .... Believers have even killed non believers, it is happening today. In dictionaries read about "superstition."

Cal

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From: "quarefremeruntgentes7@..." <quarefremeruntgentes7@...>
To: Ancient Waterways Society <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] White Race Origins

Pressed the 'send' button too soon on that post--presumably, my point came through clearly enough.

Jeff

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:45:59
To: Ancient Waterways Society<ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] White Race Origins

The UK Dominion of Canada was established by genociding about 95-98% of the indigenous native population.

Before we European-American need to make amends for our bloody abuse and oppression of native peoples--not blaming the victims of our own atrocities and depravities.

Jeff Lewin

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#2846

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:45 pm
Subject: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories

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Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the pyramids...

Archaeological theories

Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadi on the south of the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery slurry. Lime (found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron (also used by the Egyptians in mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.

Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and were cut with much lower tolerances). Proof-of-concept experiments using similar compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymer institute in northern France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days. According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas: one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He argues earlier pyramids, brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.

Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December 2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.^[1] Dipayan Jana, a petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy Association) in 2007^[2] and gave a paper^[3] in which he concludes "we are far from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid stones."

#2847

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:05 pm
Subject: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

jameyboyusa

I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding the
"iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans and
others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16 1/8
1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.

Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based on
these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.

be well,
jamey

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@...
wrote:
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@...>
> Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> To:
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> Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> Archaeological theories
> Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools or
technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that made
up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in place
by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft limestone
with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of the Giza
plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery
slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also used by
the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and no
huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side of
the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required to
dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and
pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of
the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and
were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments using similar
compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in northern
France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could
build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days.
According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas:
one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He
argues earlier pyramids,
>  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December
2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed
paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the
pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan Jana, a
petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy
Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we are far
from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid
stones."
>

#2848

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

I am more inclined to accept the theory Egyptian authorities drafted farmers to
work on pyramids during the off-seasons for agriculture, rather than the
alternative assertion, e.g., that these structures were built by slave labor. I
cannot, otherwise, claim to have any interest in the speculations of Kabbalists.

Jeff


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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...

I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding the
"iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans and
others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16 1/8
1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.

Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based on
these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.

be well,
jamey

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wrote:
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@...>
> Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> Archaeological theories
> Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools or
technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that made
up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in place
by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft limestone
with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of the Giza
plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery
slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also used by
the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and no
huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side of
the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required to
dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and
pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of
the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and
were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments using similar
compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in northern
France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could
build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days.
According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas:
one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He
argues earlier pyramids,
>  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December
2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed
paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the
pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan Jana, a
petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy
Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we are far
from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid
stones."
>




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#2849

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:17 pm
Subject: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

jameyboyusa

Okay

But consider this.

Jewish Kaballist banned the use and pratice of word priminition about a century
prior to the astounding feat of the Cheorkee Nation who had learned to read and
write within 3 months. No other culture to my knowledge has done this using
their own created alphabet. Their signed constition still resides in the
Smithsonian roled up and preserved and needs to be aknowledged as writen by a
sovereign nartion not only to the geneal public but to all sovereign nations in
existance who set the guildlines and laws of currently opposing establishments
and shools of law within those establishments.

jmcjr





--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@...
wrote:
>
> I am more inclined to accept the theory Egyptian authorities drafted farmers
to work on pyramids during the off-seasons for agriculture, rather than the
alternative assertion, e.g., that these structures were built by slave labor. I
cannot, otherwise, claim to have any interest in the speculations of Kabbalists.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
> Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
> To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding
the "iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
> According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans and
others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16 1/8
1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.
>
> Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based on
these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.
>
> be well,
> jamey
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@>
> > Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> > To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...
> >
> > No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> > Archaeological theories
> > Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools
or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that
made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in
place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft
limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of
the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became
a watery slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also
used by the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> > Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and
no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side
of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required
to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and
pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of
the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and
were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments using similar
compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in northern
France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could
build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days.
According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas:
one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He
argues earlier pyramids,
> >  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> > Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December
2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed
paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the
pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan Jana, a
petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy
Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we are far
from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid
stones."
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#2850

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:59 pm
Subject: Re: Has any facebookers picked the new timeline option yet?

jameyboyusa

Sorry about that Cal, AWS.

the AWS search number is incorrect and it may not be that important anyway.

While I'm at it since only Cal & Charles is the only ones listed currently
online -- at any rate I have now 8 clay & marble marbles returned to me...
however none of the quartz marbles were in the lot.
If desired when I can find a decent camea perhaps I'll evenually add to AWS
Photos.

There was something else...

Yes, AWS, Mr. Sammuelson's extrodinany finds and other were not listed in the
post and by no means are discredited by me.

be well,
jamey




--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "james m clark jr"
<jameyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Nothing from mainland Europe... dinos perhaps.
> However like Martin's unique geneological record
> Huari Titu Capac may have relations to percolumbian
> Ibrian Lords in Spain {AWS #2635). Then there is
> Solomon's land of Ophar as well a Ericsons com-
> mission and the Jewishness of Columbus himself.
> None of which can be truely be considered European
> as sons of Simon the eldest sons of Jacob.
>
> be well,
> jamey
>
>
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@>
wrote:
> >
> > Very interesting. The Bible has proved to be a valuable history reference,
a reliable source. What do you find in your timeline that supports
the European visitations to the Americas, pre Columbian?  
> >  
> >  Cal                
> >
> >  ==========================
> >
> >  
> > ________________________________
> >  From: james m clark jr <jameyboy@>
> > To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 9:20 PM
> > Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Has any facebookers picked the new
timeline option yet?
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> > I use dipity.coms timeline and since then I have been working on it creating
a bi-monthly setting for a Yahoo! group that includes biblical archaeology,
academic paper submittions as well as much of the digitized world of both Hebrew
and Christian Philosophies which is a group currently called Between
Philosophies. The dipity timeline is simply called Hebrew & Christian
Philosophies on the Web
> >
> >
http://www.dipity.com/mirageinspectorJay/Free-Christian-Philosophy-On-the-Web/
> >
> > today I am adding the St. Laurentius Digital Manuscript Library provided by
Lund University.
> >
> > http://laurentius.ub.lu.se/
> >
> > be well,
> > jamey
> >
>

#2851

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:59 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

Are you sure you meant to write 'priminition'?

Not to say I am getting all the spelling and syntax right in my posts-- just
wondered whether you had some other term in mind.

Warm Regards,

Jeff


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-----Original Message-----
From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:17:15
To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...

Okay

But consider this.

Jewish Kaballist banned the use and pratice of word priminition about a century
prior to the astounding feat of the Cheorkee Nation who had learned to read and
write within 3 months. No other culture to my knowledge has done this using
their own created alphabet. Their signed constition still resides in the
Smithsonian roled up and preserved and needs to be aknowledged as writen by a
sovereign nartion not only to the geneal public but to all sovereign nations in
existance who set the guildlines and laws of currently opposing establishments
and shools of law within those establishments.

jmcjr





--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@...
wrote:
>
> I am more inclined to accept the theory Egyptian authorities drafted farmers
to work on pyramids during the off-seasons for agriculture, rather than the
alternative assertion, e.g., that these structures were built by slave labor. I
cannot, otherwise, claim to have any interest in the speculations of Kabbalists.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
> Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
> To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding
the "iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
> According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans and
others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16 1/8
1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.
>
> Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based on
these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.
>
> be well,
> jamey
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@>
> > Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> > To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...
> >
> > No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> > Archaeological theories
> > Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools
or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that
made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in
place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft
limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of
the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became
a watery slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also
used by the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> > Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and
no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side
of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required
to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and
pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of
the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and
were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments using similar
compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in northern
France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could
build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days.
According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas:
one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He
argues earlier pyramids,
> >  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> > Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December
2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed
paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the
pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan Jana, a
petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy
Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we are far
from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid
stones."
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>




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#2852

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:03 pm
Subject: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

jameyboyusa

And another thing AWS, Jeff.

Although Barley determines the yearly cycle in the Negav and or the state of
Israel and is the first crop planted and rippened by the 12 or 13th month
(Hebrew Calendar has leep months) by March or April... at any rate, half year
interval I suppose would somewhat make even opperssive sense... it would coiside
with the Festivity year from Spring to Fall.

Note the Korite Korner Newsletter at Yahoo! and the Korite notation at wikipedia

be well,
yaakov

mouse issues... sorry about the duplicate thread had to sign in again.



--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "james m clark jr"
<jameyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Okay
>
> But consider this.
>
> Jewish Kaballist banned the use and pratice of word priminition about a
century prior to the astounding feat of the Cheorkee Nation who had learned to
read and write within 3 months. No other culture to my knowledge has done this
using their own created alphabet. Their signed constition still resides in the
Smithsonian roled up and preserved and needs to be aknowledged as writen by a
sovereign nartion not only to the geneal public but to all sovereign nations in
existance who set the guildlines and laws of currently opposing establishments
and shools of law within those establishments.
>
> jmcjr
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> >
> > I am more inclined to accept the theory Egyptian authorities drafted farmers
to work on pyramids during the off-seasons for agriculture, rather than the
alternative assertion, e.g., that these structures were built by slave labor. I
cannot, otherwise, claim to have any interest in the speculations of Kabbalists.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@>
> > Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
> > To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
> >
> > I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding
the "iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
> > According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans
and others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16
1/8 1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.
> >
> > Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based
on these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.
> >
> > be well,
> > jamey
> >
> > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@>
> > > Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> > > To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror
link...
> > >
> > > No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> > > Archaeological theories
> > > Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the
tools or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks
that made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded
in place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft
limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of
the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became
a watery slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also
used by the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> > > Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks
and no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the
side of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be
required to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top
of and pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring
precision of the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools
marks and were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments
using similar compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in
northern France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand
tools, could build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of
days. According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete
formulas: one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing
stones. He argues earlier pyramids,
> > >  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> > > Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in
December 2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a
peer-reviewed paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that
parts of the pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan
Jana, a petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement
Microscopy Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we
are far from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of
pyramid stones."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>


--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "james m clark jr"
<jameyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Okay
>
> But consider this.
>
> Jewish Kaballist banned the use and pratice of word priminition about a
century prior to the astounding feat of the Cheorkee Nation who had learned to
read and write within 3 months. No other culture to my knowledge has done this
using their own created alphabet. Their signed constition still resides in the
Smithsonian roled up and preserved and needs to be aknowledged as writen by a
sovereign nartion not only to the geneal public but to all sovereign nations in
existance who set the guildlines and laws of currently opposing establishments
and shools of law within those establishments.
>
> jmcjr
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> >
> > I am more inclined to accept the theory Egyptian authorities drafted farmers
to work on pyramids during the off-seasons for agriculture, rather than the
alternative assertion, e.g., that these structures were built by slave labor. I
cannot, otherwise, claim to have any interest in the speculations of Kabbalists.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@>
> > Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
> > To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
> >
> > I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding
the "iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
> > According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans
and others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16
1/8 1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.
> >
> > Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based
on these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.
> >
> > be well,
> > jamey
> >
> > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@>
> > > Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> > > To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror
link...
> > >
> > > No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> > > Archaeological theories
> > > Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the
tools or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks
that made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded
in place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft
limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of
the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became
a watery slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also
used by the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> > > Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks
and no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the
side of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be
required to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top
of and pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring
precision of the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools
marks and were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments
using similar compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in
northern France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand
tools, could build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of
days. According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete
formulas: one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing
stones. He argues earlier pyramids,
> > >  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> > > Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in
December 2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a
peer-reviewed paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that
parts of the pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan
Jana, a petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement
Microscopy Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we
are far from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of
pyramid stones."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>

#2853

From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:19 pm
Subject: Re: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

Pardon me if I am stating the obvious, but these are the Wiki entries explaining
the theory I reiterated earlier:

Corv�e

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corv%C3%A9e
Corv�e is unfree labour , often unpaid, that is required of people of lower
social ... pyramids , temples, quarries, canals, roads, and other works. ...
17 KB (2,575 words) - 20:10, 7 March 2012
------------------------------------------------

History of ancient Egypt

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Egypt
... commissioned at least three pyramids; while his son and successor ... has
shown they were built by a corv�e of peasant s drawn from across Egypt. ...
50 KB (7,294 words) - 21:54, 15 March 2012
------------------------------------------------

Fourth Dynasty of Egypt

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Dynasty_of_Egypt
... the Old Kingdom, which often is described as the age of the pyramids. ...
that they were built by a corv�e of peasant s drawn from across Egypt. ...
12 KB (1,582 words) - 03:29, 22 March 2012
------------------------------------------------

Jeff


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...

I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding the
"iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans and
others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16 1/8
1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.

Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based on
these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.

be well,
jamey

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@...
wrote:
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@...>
> Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> Archaeological theories
> Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools or
technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that made
up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in place
by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft limestone
with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of the Giza
plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became a watery
slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also used by
the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and no
huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side of
the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required to
dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and
pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of
the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and
were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments using similar
compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in northern
France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could
build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days.
According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas:
one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He
argues earlier pyramids,
>  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December
2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed
paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the
pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan Jana, a
petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy
Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we are far
from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid
stones."
>




------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

#2854

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:43 pm
Subject: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

jameyboyusa

Sic... yes it is incorrect... slowly becoming blind as a bat it's digital
oralism that came with heritage. Chuck for example I've always called it chunk.
Southern lingo is somewhat difficult to master. It may be premonition or word
premonition which was basically a meditative state seen as risky and dangerous
by kabbalist. I'm not saying that the Cherokee praticed it but it is somewhat
akin to the idea of perseption. The differnce is the Kabbalist pratice was
imagintive secusive and tramatic whereas the Cherokee are a free people and not
use to bondage.

be well,
jamey








--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@...
wrote:
>
> Are you sure you meant to write 'priminition'?
>
> Not to say I am getting all the spelling and syntax right in my posts-- just
wondered whether you had some other term in mind.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
> Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 19:17:15
> To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> Okay
>
> But consider this.
>
> Jewish Kaballist banned the use and pratice of word priminition about a
century prior to the astounding feat of the Cheorkee Nation who had learned to
read and write within 3 months. No other culture to my knowledge has done this
using their own created alphabet. Their signed constition still resides in the
Smithsonian roled up and preserved and needs to be aknowledged as writen by a
sovereign nartion not only to the geneal public but to all sovereign nations in
existance who set the guildlines and laws of currently opposing establishments
and shools of law within those establishments.
>
> jmcjr
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> >
> > I am more inclined to accept the theory Egyptian authorities drafted farmers
to work on pyramids during the off-seasons for agriculture, rather than the
alternative assertion, e.g., that these structures were built by slave labor. I
cannot, otherwise, claim to have any interest in the speculations of Kabbalists.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@>
> > Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
> > To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
> >
> > I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding
the "iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
> > According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans
and others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16
1/8 1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.
> >
> > Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based
on these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.
> >
> > be well,
> > jamey
> >
> > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@>
> > > Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> > > To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror
link...
> > >
> > > No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> > > Archaeological theories
> > > Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the
tools or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks
that made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded
in place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft
limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of
the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became
a watery slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also
used by the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> > > Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks
and no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the
side of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be
required to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top
of and pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring
precision of the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools
marks and were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments
using similar compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in
northern France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand
tools, could build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of
days. According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete
formulas: one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing
stones. He argues earlier pyramids,
> > >  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> > > Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in
December 2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a
peer-reviewed paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that
parts of the pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan
Jana, a petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement
Microscopy Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we
are far from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of
pyramid stones."
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#2855

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:53 pm
Subject: Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...

jameyboyusa

No pardon needed... thanks.
jmcjr

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@...
wrote:
>
> Pardon me if I am stating the obvious, but these are the Wiki entries
explaining the theory I reiterated earlier:
>
> Corv�e
>
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corv%C3%A9e
> Corv�e is unfree labour , often unpaid, that is required of people of lower
social ... pyramids , temples, quarries, canals, roads, and other works. ...
> 17 KB (2,575 words) - 20:10, 7 March 2012
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> History of ancient Egypt
>
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Egypt
> ... commissioned at least three pyramids; while his son and successor ... has
shown they were built by a corv�e of peasant s drawn from across Egypt. ...
> 50 KB (7,294 words) - 21:54, 15 March 2012
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Fourth Dynasty of Egypt
>
> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Dynasty_of_Egypt
> ... the Old Kingdom, which often is described as the age of the pyramids. ...
that they were built by a corv�e of peasant s drawn from across Egypt. ...
> 12 KB (1,582 words) - 03:29, 22 March 2012
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
> Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 18:05:04
> To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Fw: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No
evidence' of Merah terror link...
>
> I can't help but wonder if it is the vision or astroprjection idea regarding
the "iron mixed with clay" concept or another in the Sefer Ha Yasher (Book of
Jasher). Although in it the stones were much smaller for a live child to to take
up fill space when the daily stone quota wasn't met. As far as pyrimids
structures that seems out of context although there is at least one detail
discription of pyrimid steps nubering 70 and customary engagement in this era.
> According to BI theory they may have been white Syrians, Partians, Normans and
others. Not sure how they reckon that perhaps it it was also a 1/64 ...1/16 1/8
1/4 1/2 at that time as well according to the brass hats.
>
> Steps would seem to be the more logical place to look from the start based on
these accounts and this theory regarding pyrimids.
>
> be well,
> jamey
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, quarefremeruntgentes7@
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Fabrice Bect <fabrice_bect@>
> > Sender: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:39:42
> > To:
Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com<Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: Bible_Codes_Networking@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Bible_Codes_Networking] Re: 'No evidence' of Merah terror link...
> >
> > No need to resort to "alien technology" to explain the building of the
pyramids...
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Davidovits#Archaeological_theories
> > Archaeological theories
> > Davidovits was not convinced that the ancient Egyptians possessed the tools
or technology to carve and haul the huge (2.5 to 15 ton) limestone blocks that
made up the Great Pyramid. Davidovits suggested that the blocks were molded in
place by using a form of limestone concrete. According to his theory, a soft
limestone with a high kaolinite content was quarried in the wadion the south of
the Giza plateau. It was then dissolved in large, Nile-fed pools until it became
a watery slurry. Lime(found in the ash of ancient cooking fires) and natron(also
used by the Egyptiansin mummification) was mixed in. The pools were then left to
evaporate, leaving behind a moist, clay-like mixture. This wet "concrete" would
be carried to the construction site where it would be packed into reusable
wooden molds. In the next few days the mixture would undergo a chemical
hydration reaction similar to the setting of cement.
> > Using Davidovits' theory, no large gangs would be needed to haul blocks and
no huge and unwieldy ramps would be needed to transport the blocks up the side
of the pyramid. No chiseling or carving with soft bronze tools would be required
to dress their surfaces and new blocks could be cast in place, on top of and
pressed against the old blocks. This would account for the unerring precision of
the joints of the casing stones (the blocks of the core show tools marks and
were cut with much lower tolerances).Proof-of-concept experiments using similar
compounds were carried out at Davidovit's geopolymerinstitute in northern
France. It was found that a crew of ten, working with simple hand tools, could
build a structure of fourteen, 1.3 to 4.5 ton blocks in a couple of days.
According to Davidovits the architects possessed at least two concrete formulas:
one for the large structural blocks and another for the white casing stones. He
argues earlier pyramids,
> >  brick structures, and stone vases were built using similar techniques.
> > Although his ideas are not accepted by mainstream Egyptologists, in December
2006 Michel Barsoum, Adrish Ganguly, and Gilles Hug published a peer-reviewed
paper in the Journal of the American Ceramic Society stating that parts of the
pyramid were cast with a type of limestone concrete.[1] Dipayan Jana, a
petrographer, made a presentation to the ICMA (International Cement Microscopy
Association) in 2007[2] and gave a paper[3] in which he concludes "we are far
from accepting even as a remote possibility of a 'manmade' origin of pyramid
stones."
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

#2858

From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2012 3:25 am
Subject: Hidden Stonehenge (2012) by Canadian professor, Gordon Freeman

December 24, 2011 at 5:06 am

Folks,

I received in the mail today a note and complimentary signed copy of Dr. Gordon Freeman's new book, Hidden Stonehenge--Ancient Temple in North America Reveals the Key to Ancient Wonders. As many of you know, within our AWS loaner library here at my house, we have a copy of his first book, Canada's Stonehenge. Bottom of my note are ten summary items about Canada's Stonehenge from another web site which may intrigue some of you to step into the Oxford-edicatd chemical physicist's extensive and careful rrsearch. His first book is available now; this newly released one will be after I get a chance to read and re-read it.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Stonehenge-Ancient-America-Reveals/dp/1780280955

-----------------------

'The discovery of the Canadian Stonehenge an ancient structure � How will that change society?
In a remote location west of Brooks, Alberta, scientist Gordon Freeman discovered a Sun Temple that pre-dates Stonehenge. According to Freeman, it was constructed some 5000 years ago by the Oxbow People, and contains a solar calendar like ours, but slightly more accurate. He states that the site also contains a detailed lunar calendar. During field work in England from 1986 to 2006, Freeman found striking similarities between the surface geometries of Stonehenge and this site, findings which have far-reaching historical implications...

1. Genius existed on the North American Great Plains 5000 years ago. Genius existed around the world, independent of longitude, as it does now.
2. In southern Alberta a 5000-year-old Temple to the Sun, Moon and Morning Star has been discovered. It is a complex, lace-like pattern of stones extending over an area of about thirty square kilometres (equivalent to about 35 x 35 city blocks).
3. The Temple contains a calendar, a solar calendar like ours. The calendar is so accurate that it exposed a deception in the revision of our (European) calendar by Pope Gregory XIII in AD 1582.
4. The Temple also contains a lunar calendar that marks the monthly cycle of visible Moon shapes, and the nineteen-year cycle of Full Moon rise and set positions on the horizon near the Solstice times.
5. Stonehenge in England contains the same solar and lunar calendars as the Temple in Alberta. The Stonehenge calendars are about seven centuries younger than the ones in Canada.
6. The solar and lunar calendars in Stonehenge are entwined with exquisite artistry. They are displayed here for the first time in history.
7. A Sun Temple with a solar calendar has been discovered on Preseli Mountain in Wales. Preseli Mountain is the source of the "Bluestones" in Stonehenge. The Temple on Preseli Mountain might be contemporary with the Temple in Alberta. It is intriguing that the Temples are at nearly the same latitude and separated by a continent and an ocean.
8. New light has been shone on the King Arthur legends. They might be rooted in myths 3000 years older than previously thought.
9. Colour photographs and maps clearly illustrate Freeman's findings throughout Canada's Stonehenge.
10. The same accurate solar calendar exists on Fajada Butte in Chaco Canyon, New Mexico.'

(from: http://solarlightspros.com/299/color-changing-solar-lights-canada/ )

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#2859

From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:25 am
Subject: Re: Hidden Stonehenge (2012) by Canadian professor, Gordon Freeman

Forgot to mention to this group that at my Facebook correspondence several weeks ago, I'd asked Milwaukee archaeologist, Dr. Alice Kehoe if she had read Canada's Stonehenge. To Larry Hancock and Terry Deveau (who Freeman told me he also sent a copy of his new book), in response to your notes to my Facebook page this evening -- and you others interested in the 5000 year old Alberta site --- here is Alice's response to my inquiry:

"Yes, Susan - I read Dr. Freeman's book in manuscript at his request after several years of talking with him on revising it for publication. He is a fine scientist, and the English archaeologists working at Stonehenge should not have dismissed his discovery of an equinox sightline without seriously discussing his work with him. (I've said this to Mike Parker-Pearson, head of the current project there, but to no avail.). As for the kilometers-long sightlines from the Majorville cairn, unfortunately there is no way to validate Freeman's hypothesis that they were used". (1/22/12 Facebook note from Dr, Alice Kehoe)

Sent from my iPad

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <beldingenglish@...> wrote:
>
> Folks,I received in the mail today a note and complimentary signed copy
> of Dr. Gordon Freeman's new book, Hidden Stonehenge--Ancient Temple in
> North America Reveals the Key to Ancient Wonders. As many of you know,
> within our AWS loaner library here at my house, we have a copy of his
> first book, Canada's Stonehenge. Bottom of my note are ten summary
> items about Canada's Stonehenge from another web site which may intrigue
> some of you to step into the Oxford-edicatd chemical physicist's
> extensive and careful rrsearch. His first book is available now; this
> newly released one will be after I get a chance to read and re-read it.
> http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Stonehenge-Ancient-America-Reveals/dp/17802\
> 80955-----------------------
> [http://0.gravatar.com/avatar/ad516503a11cd5ca435acc9bb6523536?s=48]
> December 24, 2011 at 5:06 am
> <http://solarlightspros.com/299/color-changing-solar-lights-canada/#comm\
> ent-1134>
> 'The discovery of the Canadian Stonehenge an ancient structure � How
> will that change society?
> In a remote location west of Brooks, Alberta, scientist Gordon Freeman
> discovered a Sun Temple that pre-dates Stonehenge. According to Freeman,
> it was constructed some 5000 years ago by the Oxbow People, and contains
> a solar calendar like ours, but slightly more accurate. He states that
> the site also contains a detailed lunar calendar. During field work in
> England from 1986 to 2006, Freeman found striking similarities between
> the surface geometries of Stonehenge and this site, findings which have
> far-reaching historical implications...
>
>
> 1. Genius existed on the North American Great Plains 5000 years ago.
> Genius existed around the world, independent of longitude, as it does
> now.
> 2. In southern Alberta a 5000-year-old Temple to the Sun, Moon and
> Morning Star has been discovered. It is a complex, lace-like pattern of
> stones extending over an area of about thirty square kilometres
> (equivalent to about 35 x 35 city blocks).
> 3. The Temple contains a calendar, a solar calendar like ours. The
> calendar is so accurate that it exposed a deception in the revision of
> our (European) calendar by Pope Gregory XIII in AD 1582.
> 4. The Temple also contains a lunar calendar that marks the monthly
> cycle of visible Moon shapes, and the nineteen-year cycle of Full Moon
> rise and set positions on the horizon near the Solstice times.
> 5. Stonehenge in England contains the same solar and lunar calendars as
> the Temple in Alberta. The Stonehenge calendars are about seven
> centuries younger than the ones in Canada.
> 6. The solar and lunar calendars in Stonehenge are entwined with
> exquisite artistry. They are displayed here for the first time in
> history.
> 7. A Sun Temple with a solar calendar has been discovered on Preseli
> Mountain in Wales. Preseli Mountain is the source of the
> "Bluestones" in Stonehenge. The Temple on Preseli Mountain might
> be contemporary with the Temple in Alberta. It is intriguing that the
> Temples are at nearly the same latitude and separated by a continent and
> an ocean.
> 8. New light has been shone on the King Arthur legends. They might be
> rooted in myths 3000 years older than previously thought.
> 9. Colour photographs and maps clearly illustrate Freeman's findings
> throughout Canada's Stonehenge.
> 10. The same accurate solar calendar exists on Fajada Butte in Chaco
> Canyon, New Mexico.'
> (from:
> http://solarlightspros.com/299/color-changing-solar-lights-canada/
> <http://solarlightspros.com/299/color-changing-solar-lights-canada/> )
>

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#2860

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:00 am
Subject: Combo Promo: Ancient Amerian Magizine & Awaking day of Slumber Event

jameyboyusa

Need Assistance

From what I gather I am grant 3000 words?
I wouldn't need that much from Mr. May's AAM

The Ancient American Magizine reguarding Bad Brad Lepper for approved message at
Archaeologytheorymethod group in part and second
instalment at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/native2native2/

The public Awaking Day of Slumber Event will be April 22.
All new and I mean ALL or any Members, Moderators, Editors and Guest Speakers if
willing will have:
9 hrs from 2pm to 11pm

Anthropology and Conservation issues.
Everyone is invited or to be invited

Ancientwaterways
Fla. Gov. Scot
Joe Watkins
Tennessee Ancient Sites and Conservancy
Cherokee History
Americian Indian Injustice
AIM & AIM Suport
ArchologyTheoryMethod
archaeo-politics

Google:
alt.Native & alt.law

to name names among the few

Following this event it will become privite once again
Invites will have 2 weeks to address in privite. After
that and with the Security Guildlines I want to impose
for the benifit of the whole at Yahoo groups to ensure
no rights or infrengments are violated. A cadagorical
timeline will then for group multimedia of
own choice.

Secure email and multimedia outlets only with the exception of
Ipads notebooks and cell phones.
All other are asked to use Yahoo! Chat which is secured.
These will be included and edited accordingly in the timeline.

be well,
jamey

#2861

From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:11 am
Subject: AWS member articles, latest issue Ancient American Magazine #94

Once again, a number of members from Ancient Waterways Society have authored articles or columns in the most recent issue of Ancient American Magazine, Vol. 16--Issue 94. Publisher Wayne May sent an extra copy and I would be glad to send it to the first member here who asks directly at AWS, and that it be someone who has not seen an issue of the magazine.

ANCIENT AMERICAN -Archaelogy of the Americas Before Columbus

FEATURES

"Waters of the Midwest Reveal Ancient Copper Sites" (Ancient American staff, which likely includes assistant editor, Larry Gallant, AWS member from Pennsylvania)

"On the Trail of the Northmen" (Thomas E. Lee)

"The Norse Discovery of American and Its Impact" (Frode Th. Omdahl, AWS member from Norway)

"New England's Naragansett Rune Stone" (Valdimar Samuelsson, AWS member from Iceland)

"World Trade Between Civilizations Pre-1492: Archaeology for Plants" " (Carl L. Johannessen, Professor Emeritus, Department of Geography, University of Oregon, Eugene)

"Hopewell Effigy Pipes from Squire and Davis in the British Museum" (Michael Rusnak)

NEWS

"Scientists Confirm Tobacco Use by Mayans" (Dmitri Zagorevski, Jennifer A. lough miller-Newman, Rapid Communications in Mass Spectrometry, January, 2012, DOI: 10.1002/rcm.5339)

AAPS 8th International Conference: http://www.aaapf.org/scripts/openExtra.asp?extra=1

"Jordan's Earliest Buildings, 20,000 Years Ago" (University of Cambridge Press Release)

"Ancient Bronze Artifacts from East Asia Unearthed at Alaska Archaeology Site" (Reprinted w/permission, University of Colorado at Boulder)

"In Response to Brad Lepper's Disavowment of the Film Documentary, 'The Lost Civilizations of North America'" (Rick Osmon, AWS member from S. Indiana)

COLUMNS

"The Lost Giant Race of the American Southwest" (Patrick C. Chouinard)

Friends of Ancient American

"Indian Stone Altars / Cairns of New York" (Jay Winters)

"Two Old Spooks Exorcised by Archaeologist" (AWS member William Connor from Ohio)

"Tour with Voyager Travel and Wayne May"

Ancient American Magazine Back Issues

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#2862

From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:44 am
Subject: Re: Combo Promo: Ancient Amerian Magizine & Awaking day of Slumber Event

Judi Rudebusch wrote asking to borrow the extra current copy of Ancient American, a which I will mail to her in South Dakota soon as I get back from Madison, Wisconsin. Then, if anyone wants it, Judi can mail it to them. . If not, Judi-- you make keep the current issue. How about submitting an article on your latest research?

For any of you here, to get a sneak peak of any issue, I suggest thumbing through any current issue over a cup of coffee in any Borders or Barnes & Noble Bookstore. I am not knowledgeable about bookstores beyond the continental US that carries Ancient American. AA

Jamey, I am not sure specifically what you were asking saying in your last Post but I believe you were talking about article submission guidelines at Ancient American. I see in the following link mention of 3000 words maximum. Payment is five copies of the issue in which your work is published. Being a subscriber since the magazine's early beginnings, Ancient American staff members seem to take great efforts to put out a high quality, informative and accurate publication. .

http://www.ancientamerican.com/contact.html

Jamey, I also could not find anything on a Search about your reference to a public Awaking Day of Slumber April 22nd. I did not see it either in the Native2 web site you listed in the Post. The speaker topics sound intriguing, and if you attend the event, please let us know some of the highlights.

Thank you for your efforts and the assistance you provide other members here, Jamey.

Susan

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...> wrote:
>
> Need Assistance
>
> From what I gather I am grant 3000 words?
> I wouldn't need that much from Mr. May's AAM
>
> The Ancient American Magizine reguarding Bad Brad Lepper for approved message at Archaeologytheorymethod group in part and second
> instalment at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/native2native2/
>
> The public Awaking Day of Slumber Event will be April 22.
> All new and I mean ALL or any Members, Moderators, Editors and Guest Speakers if willing will have:
> 9 hrs from 2pm to 11pm
>
> Anthropology and Conservation issues.
> Everyone is invited or to be invited
>
> Ancientwaterways
> Fla. Gov. Scot
> Joe Watkins
> Tennessee Ancient Sites and Conservancy
> Cherokee History
> Americian Indian Injustice
> AIM & AIM Suport
> ArchologyTheoryMethod
> archaeo-politics
>
> Google:
> alt.Native & alt.law
>
> to name names among the few
>
> Following this event it will become privite once again
> Invites will have 2 weeks to address in privite. After
> that and with the Security Guildlines I want to impose
> for the benifit of the whole at Yahoo groups to ensure
> no rights or infrengments are violated. A cadagorical
> timeline will then for group multimedia of
> own choice.
>
> Secure email and multimedia outlets only with the exception of
> Ipads notebooks and cell phones.
> All other are asked to use Yahoo! Chat which is secured.
> These will be included and edited accordingly in the timeline.
>
> be well,
> jamey
>

#2863

From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:30 am
Subject: Re: Combo Promo: Ancient Amerian Magizine & Awaking day of Slumber Event

jameyboyusa

Sorry about that Susan, AWS

Thats a really good idea Susan. I wish I would have done that
many years ago. It's kinda non creepy like that.

So is this like you have to earn copyright privilages?
I barely can see the print. I'm not sure what your saying.
so he only gives max word option to subscribers. Is there
a max for nonsubscribers.... can really email him at the AAM site at the moment
and it's been a little hecktic lately and I wanted to ask Mr. May personally
anyway.

Beleive it or not I just read the Owl Stone sermonnet inclussion by Mr. Miles I
think was his name in issue 91 in the rear. Not sure what he meant by that this
is alien in Southern Archaeology. A Mason lodge is alien even across from court
houses but there still here also and more than likely at that Owl stone church
or whatever.

So far the AWS post was the first mention of the event.

If you recall when Vince created an event last year it took 24 hrs.
for the group to be notified in the time space continuium of Yahoo Groups.
Otherwise this wouldn't be a bad Idea to Some of the other groups that has
changed their group options in the last few years; yet Group Calendar options
are usually there but the setting unknown. Was going to try this first in a
fewer groups. To make know what should be known.

Had a real long day outside and haven't even got started yet. I was tring to
smoke the hood before sunset for a little girls B-day party outside as we have
ditches behind our lots and the city hasn't sprayed yet this yesr for the
georgia state aqua bird.

Trade in current TV has limited options and it does fine in News groups but
visition of web pages are not currently stable for this supposedly of equal
spects brand of a newer model I currently use for a monitor. Hopefully
everything will be fine by the 2nd. But I am really getting concerned about this
constant ringing in my ears for about a week now and I don't want to postpone
this either.

It just so happen that a new neighbor from Mami was a programer there and a a
teach  and also use to work for WMAZ 13... all about 8 years ago the latter is
in Macon. I've only known the guy for 3 days and has inovation ideas himself and
may be able to assist in someways as a personal advisor.

At any rate, I created Calendar Event at Native2 Native 2 saved it but it wasn't
there for a test run as an event in Calendar I though I had set as daily which
maybe why it wasn't listed as saved.

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
wrote:
>
> Judi Rudebusch wrote  asking to borrow the extra current copy of Ancient
> American, a which I will mail to her in  South Dakota soon as I get back
> from Madison, Wisconsin.  Then, if anyone wants it, Judi can mail it to
> them.  . If not, Judi-- you make keep the current issue.  How about
> submitting an  article on your  latest research?
> For any of you here, to get a sneak peak of any issue, I suggest
> thumbing through any current issue over a cup of coffee in any Borders
> or Barnes & Noble Bookstore.  I am not knowledgeable about bookstores
> beyond the continental US that carries Ancient American.  AA
> Jamey, I am not sure specifically what you were asking saying in your
> last Post but I believe you were talking about article submission
> guidelines at Ancient American.  I see in the following link mention of
> 3000 words maximum.  Payment is five copies of the issue in which your
> work is published.  Being a subscriber since the magazine's early
> beginnings, Ancient American staff members seem to take great efforts to
> put out a high quality, informative and accurate publication.  .
> http://www.ancientamerican.com/contact.html
> Jamey,  I also could not find anything on a Search about your reference
> to a public Awaking Day of  Slumber April 22nd.  I did not see it either
> in  the Native2 web site you listed in the Post.    The speaker topics
> sound  intriguing,  and if you attend the event, please let us know some
> of the highlights.
> Thank you for your  efforts and the assistance you provide other members
> here, Jamey.
> Susan
>
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "james m clark jr"
> <jameyboy@> wrote:
> >
> > Need Assistance
> >
> > From what I gather I am grant 3000 words?
> > I wouldn't need that much from Mr. May's AAM
> >
> > The Ancient American Magizine reguarding Bad Brad Lepper for approved
> message at Archaeologytheorymethod group in part and second
> > instalment at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/native2native2/
> >
> > The public Awaking Day of Slumber Event will be April 22.
> > All new and I mean ALL or any Members, Moderators, Editors and Guest
> Speakers if willing will have:
> > 9 hrs from 2pm to 11pm
> >
> > Anthropology and Conservation issues.
> > Everyone is invited or to be invited
> >
> > Ancientwaterways
> > Fla. Gov. Scot
> > Joe Watkins
> > Tennessee Ancient Sites and Conservancy
> > Cherokee History
> > Americian Indian Injustice
> > AIM & AIM Suport
> > ArchologyTheoryMethod
> > archaeo-politics
> >
> > Google:
> > alt.Native & alt.law
> >
> > to name names among the few
> >
> > Following this event it will become privite once again
> > Invites will have 2 weeks to address in privite. After
> > that and with the Security Guildlines I want to impose
> > for the benifit of the whole at Yahoo groups to ensure
> > no rights or infrengments are violated. A cadagorical
> > timeline will then for group multimedia of
> > own choice.
> >
> > Secure email and multimedia outlets only with the exception of
> > Ipads notebooks and cell phones.
> > All other are asked to use Yahoo! Chat which is secured.
> > These will be included and edited accordingly in the timeline.
> >
> > be well,
> > jamey
> >
>

  After
> > that and with the Security Guildlines I want to impose
> > for the benifit of the whole at Yahoo groups to ensure
> > no rights or infrengments are violated. A cadagorical
> > timeline will then for group multimedia of
> > own choice.
> >
> > Secure email and multimedia outlets only with the exception of
> > Ipads notebooks and cell phones.
> > All other are asked to use Yahoo! Chat which is secured.
> > These will be included and edited accordingly in the timeline.
> >
> > be well,
> > jamey
> >
>

#2864

From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
Date: Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:03 pm
Subject: Fwd: [IOWAARCHAEOLOGYLISTSERVE] Ho-Chunk History and Culture Talk on March 29, at 7 p.m.

tedsojka