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#2923 From: "jpscherz" <jpscherz@...>
Date: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:24 pm
Subject: A late comment re: the Great Serpent mound and Ross' earlier post
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All,


Picking up an old thread titled Metrology in Ancient America, weeks ago I I intended to, but did not get around to commenting on a very well written post sent to this group by member Ross Hamilton that only received one comment (see post and comments at the base of this message).

 The DVR on my television automatically records pre-selected programs on the History Channel, PBS, BBC, etc., and with several research friends who stopped by recently, we watched the Ancient Aliens (& the Old West) program on the History Channel, Episode #21, referred to in the comment.   Beginning 46 minutes into the program (including commercials) is footage of the Great Serpent Mound in Adams County, Ohio  and interviews of AWS member Ross Hamilton as well as a number of representatives of various tribes speaking about petroglyphs, legends about possibilities of ancient 'aliens'  or 'star peoples'.  Not long ago (after the weather turned unseasonably summer-like when it was still winter here), I re-started attending outdoor campfire meetings with recovering Native friends on various reservation  lands east of here, not far from Lake Michigan.  No one there scoffs at legends of star beings within their traditions.  I also see no contradictions about my own ancestry coming  here by way of the seas and the stars, either. I do not by any means believe my own lineage to be at the pinnacle of or exemplify socio-cultural 'advancement', either, nor technologically wise in how we have interacted with Nature and fellow human beings over the millinnea.  This belief has played a major role in my search and why I earnestly step out of my comfort zones to enjoy the privilege of being able to civilly engaging with people and groups such as I can here at Ancient global Waterways.  And in my helping with conferences around the world that are open to possibilities based strongly within the Sciences, yet given life--- enspirited from ancient teachings of wisdom keepers aound the world who maintain reverence with the Earth and it's inhabitants.


Anyway, toward the top of my bucket list is a longtime desire to spend a few days at the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio.  So this week searching the Internet this week for a primitive camp site in a natural setting very close to the Serpent Mound, I ran a cross information about a 2012 Summer Solstice event there, which I am considering attending if my old car can make it that far by then.

Below too is a link to the Friends of Serpent Mounds association and, to my surprise, information I discovered about the May 1st release of Ross Hamilton's new book.  Please, all of you members here, keep this group posted specifically and with subject headings on things you members do that relate to each other and/or this YahooGroup!  Especially your related events, publications, radio interviews, television programs, conferences, and specific details as to what part of the world/nearby waterway you are referring.  Keeping members informed of each other and interconnecting intra- and intercontinental waterway localities is one of the main intentions I carried at the top of my bucket list years ago in being one of the original founders of this society of international researchers and friends. I have had a wooden sign on the back window of my car for at least a decade or two "ancient Waterways Society".  And another wooden sign at my kitchen door,  "Ancient Waterways Cafe" that faces the mighty Wisconsin River across the street.  This sign too is the starting point in my relationship with all who stop here for a meal or an overnight.  And seems to be at the roots of who I have become since my children have all moved away. 

Below, too, I scanned and pasted reviews of Ross' book by Robert Bauval and others.  Another post is coming your way soon as i can get to it that I accidently discovered last night after Prof. jim Scherz left.  It is a blogtalkradio interview of member Martin Carriere by member Will Blue Otter.

I do hope you members are interested in each other regardless of what part of the world you reside.  Are we not all inter-related, after these many years together?  Or, as Cal so aptly put it a few weeks ago in a post, are we not all linked way, way back within our human origins?

Poor momma here.  Just think how much we are missing of other members' efforts and accomplishments within this Society, along ancient global waterways.... I think many of  our ancestors knew the old waterway highways over great distances and those they paddled upon more intimately than we busy contemporaries do.

If there is inexpensive camping in a pristine setting near the Ohio Serpent Mound, perhaps one or more of you might wish to meet me there for a few days for the Summer Solstice gathering, or in the fall...

Susan

Summer Solstice Celebration 2012 at the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio:
http://www.serpentmound.org/festival.html

Friends of Serpent Mounds 2012 Events Page:

http://www.serpentmound.org/events.html

Star Mounds: Legacy of a Native American Mystery [Paperback]
Ross Hamilton (Author)

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Star Mounds is a full-color illustrated study of the precolonial monuments of the greater Ohio Valley, woven together with over fifty "medicine stories" inspired by Native American mythology that demonstrate the depth of the knowledge held by indigenous peoples about the universe they lived in.
 
The earthworks of the region have long mystified and intrigued scholars, archeologists, and anthropologists with their impressive size and design. The landscape practices of pioneer families destroyed much of them in the 1700s, but, during the first half of the 1800s, some serious mapmaking expeditions were able to record their locations. Utilizing many nineteenth-century maps as a base—including those of the gentlemen explorers Ephraim Squier and Edwin Davis—author Ross Hamilton reveals the meaning and purpose of these antique monuments.
 
Together with these maps, Hamilton applies new theories and geometrical formulas to the earthworks to demonstrate that the Ohio Valley was the setting of a manitou system, an interactive organization of specially shaped villages that was home to a sophisticated society of architects and astronomers. The author retells over fifty ancient stories based on Native American myth such as "The One-Eyed Man" and "The Story of How Mischief Became Hare" that clearly indicate how knowledgeable the valley's inhabitants were about the constellations and the movement of the stars. Finally, Hamilton relates the spiritual culture of the valley's early inhabitants to a kind of golden age of humanity when people lived in harmony with the Earth and Sky, and looks forward to a time when our own culture can foster a similar "spiritual technology" and life-giving relationship with nature.

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"Ross Hamilton's Star Mounds: Legacy of a Native American Mystery is a must-read for all who are interested in ancient star lores."—Robert Bauval, author of Black Genesis: The Prehistoric Origins of Ancient Egypt 
 "Ross Hamilton's Star Mounds is a unique, rich study of America's mysterious earthworks and the brilliant insights built into them by the geniuses who lived here in ancient times. This book's very existence and the fact that someone had the tenacity, vision, and understanding—born of a lifetime of study—to produce such an unprecedented work, excites me to the core. The artistry of the presentation, the astronomical and geomantic diagrams, and the beautiful stories are a feast for those who truly want to understand the soul of ancient America. This book is the key! I look forward to years of reading and rereading this amazing book."—John Major Jenkins, author of The 2012 Story: The Myths, Fallacies, and Truth Behind the Most Intriguing Date in History
"There is an old Lakota story that says `always count the stars, for if we stop counting the stars we will cease to exist.' As beings of prescience, we must bring the inherent star knowledge above to Mother Earth below. Relationships come and go, but the knowledge, language, and imagination of Turtle Island's wisdom is never lost, however oblivious many are to its presence. Star Mounds: Legacy of a Native American Mystery has lit a fire for those who yearn for their originations."—Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Lakota leader and host of First Voices Indigenous Radio on WBAI New York/Pacifica Radio
"In the long-awaited sequel to The Mystery of the Serpent Mound, Ross Hamilton delves deeper into the spiritual science and sacred geometry of the Ohio Valley of millennia past. Focusing on the Great Serpent effigy as hub and power center, Hamilton extends his meticulous research to include the surrounding earthworks that together form a cosmological zodiac. In the spirit of `as above, so below,' this `holy machine' once facilitated interactions between energies of earth and sky to ultimately allow for communion with the star ancestors. In language lucid and poetic, … his book details solar, lunar, and stellar alignments and roots them in time through the precession of the equinoxes. Star Mounds is a huge leap forward for archaeoastronomy and a crucial key to understanding the complex beauty of these enigmatic earthworks.—Gary A. David, author of The Kivas of Heaven: Ancient Hopi Starlore
"Ross Hamilton's poetic analysis of the earthworks of the Ohio landscape is unique, inquisitive, and carried out in a gentle and respectful manner, with an emphasis on Native American mythology. Only the late John Michell could have created such a visionary report into the geometry, geomancy, astronomy, and mythology of this mysterious prehistoric landscape. Serpent Mound chose a wise representative to reveal her innermost secrets; many of her mysteries, long lost in the depths of time, have been bought back into the light. Star Mounds has also reopened the debate on ancient American history and reveals a lost enchanted landscape spread out over a wide area (even in present-day golf courses and residential areas). It gives the reader an insight into the prehistoric minds and hearts of a sophisticated team of intelligent, thoughtful and inspired architects, whose engineering and energetic fingerprints are still evident in the land thousands of years later."—Hugh Newman, organizer of the Megalithomania Conferences and author of Earth Grids: The Secret Patterns of Gaia's Sacred Sites
"Ross revives the wisdom of a forgotten tradition.… It is my hope that Ross's work and its success will reenergize these sites, so they can shine like the stars they were linked with."—Philip Coppens, author of The Ancient Alien Question: A New Inquiry Into the Existence, Evidence, and Influence of Ancient Visitors

About the Author

Born in 1948 on Long Island, New York, Ross Hamilton has lived in the greater Cincinnati, Ohio area since the age of seven. Fascinated by American Indian history from childhood, Hamilton has devoted his life to bringing to light the lost history of the North American continent. He has worked with activist Vine Deloria Jr., the former executive director of the National Congress of American Indians; Floyd "Red Crow" Westerman; and Iroquois chief Jake Swamp. He frequently gives interviews on the subject of the star mounds, most recently on the History Channel show Ancient Aliens (http://bit.ly/qNVsKE).

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Ross Hamilton <d.ross.hamilton@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I cited the Ancient Aliens show on that segment because the subject was not
> attributed to aliens, but to Native Americans. I think you might enjoy
> watching it. It's just the name of the show--not necessarily the content
> for all segments.
> Also, I've noticed that only Vince commented on subject. Thanks Vince.
> Ross
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Chris Patenaude
> yacrispyubetcha@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > What pees me off more'n a tad are these fad TV shows about any mystery
> > at all linked to Aliens Aliens! I'm angered and insulted as a human to
> > think somebody in a media castle has figured out how to dumb down the US
> > Public even further and make money doing it! Claiming every fantastic,
> > phenomenal wisdom our ancestors figured out *all on their li'l lonesomes*is completely due to reptilian or birdmen from outer space, is denegrating
> > to the spectacular potential our species posesses. WE did it. WE figured
> > out the geometry and the grids and the spatial abstractions to create
> > wonderful works of engineering. Not some martian.
> >
> > Just because we've denied the proper educational challenges to our
> > children, and we're reaping the results with a retarded generation of dull
> > minds who can't think up anything on their own... that's no reason to turn
> > to fantasy to explain why we can't imagine how these things were done in
> > the past. It's the new superstition.
> > Ach, I'll get off my soap box now. But reeeeeely! Aliens. pah! We did it
> > by ourselves and continue to create marvelous things. Thank heavens there's
> > a hundered other channels to watch on the boob toob. Better yet, turn it
> > off and go walk a mound.
> > -cp
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 2/14/12, Vincent Barrows v_barrows@...* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Vincent Barrows v_barrows@...
> > Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] Metrology in Ancient America, re:
> > James Sherz
> > To: "d.ross.hamilton@..." d.ross.hamilton@...
> > Cc: "ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com" <
> > ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 4:25 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross;
> > An artifact was found at Cahokia that closely matches the grid you have
> > shown (please see link below).
> >
> >
> > http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/Marburg72/TABLETS/Cahokia/11MS1330/?start=all
> >
> >
> > *From:* Ross Hamilton d.ross.hamilton@...
> > *To:* ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:18 AM
> > *Subject:* [ancient_waterways_society] Metrology in Ancient America, re:
> > James Sherz [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > The subject of ancient metrology in North America has met with the
> > paradigms peculiar to archaeological isolationism. Britain's John
> > Michell wrote extensively on the subject of world metrology in ancient
> > times, although he avoided a discussion including the North American
> > earthworks.I cannot help but wonder about the fact that trying to measure
> > out earthworks seems too risky a proposal when so many other places around
> > the world offer plenty of opportunities for more precise, quantitative
> > study by stone. Assuming Jim Sherz is familiar with Michell as well as
> > Thom, let's examine some other points of view.
> >
> > James A. Marshall, a surveyor from Chicago, performed probably the most
> > extensive revisiting of "Hopewell" sites after Squier & Davis and later
> > Cyrus Thomas. Marshall came up with several units of measure for the
> > earthworks of the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys, the most famous of which
> > was 1056 feet. Ray Hively and Robert Horn came up with approximately 1054
> > feet, and William F. Romain decided on 1053 (non decimalize). All these
> > measures were produced from approximations over sprawling earthwork
> > structures, and, as each study suggests, are not definitive. Greater
> > accuracies were admitted by these same authors when grids were placed,
> > distinguishing the earthworks in a way peculiar to our modern love of
> > precision. In 2001, I published The Mystery of the Serpent Mound (Random
> > House) wherein is demonstrated, also through the use of thoroughly
> > conceived grids, Alexander Thom's Megalithic Yard (MY. 2.72 feet) as well
> > as his Megalithic Rod (6.8 feet) in association with the Serpent Mound. In
> > that same publication, an in-depth discussion of the possible relationship
> > of the MY to the units proposed by Marshall, Hively and Horn, and Romain is
> > presented.
> >
> > In the attached figure, the Serpent Mound rests upon a hexagonal grid, the
> > perimeter of which is 720 of Thom's MY. Note the way the Serpent's
> > measurements can be defined by Thom's measure due to the alnost cunning
> > way the Serpent "fits" into the hexagonal matrix.
> >
> > As a volunteer and caretaker at the Serpent Mound site, on a clear autumn
> > afternoon about 4 years ago, and after we had just repaired a damaged path
> > along the western cliffs of the effigy, we made an unusual discovery of an
> > apparent megalithic-type standing stone. This discovery was published in
> > Ancient American Magazine, volume 14, issue 89 (2011). Because we can now
> > date the Serpent Mound by an astronomical method of association to the
> > Middle Archaic Period (about 6-5000 years ago), and because we believe that
> > standing stone (as illustrated in an animation video aired on the History
> > Channel's Ancient Aliens series season opener last year, 2011), was a key
> > to understanding the function of the Serpent Mound, we believe that Thom's
> > measure may apply to that site. In order to present this properly however,
> > the paradigm of abject isolationism must be removed, if only temporarily.
> > We have seen the possibility of trade moving from the Great lakes Copper
> > region tentatively to places far more distant than Hopewell or Adena trade
> > routes allow. During this period of mining (about 5,000 years ago by
> > approximation) it would seem that there may have been cultural influences
> > from beyond American borders at work in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys.
> > For all we know with absolute certainty however, these influences dictating
> > measure could just as well have moved from North America out. We just do
> > not know what was going on anywhere in the world past 5,000 years ago, and
> > I greatly suspect that our own ancient America may hold a grand key to
> > grasping the architectures of ancient Britain, Mesoamerica, Greece, and
> > Egypt as we progress with our researches.
> >
> > Coming this summer: Star Mounds; Legacy of a Native American Mystery
> > (North Atantic/Random House).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

#2924 From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:57 pm
Subject: 4/15/12 interview of Martin Carriere by Blue Otter Blogtalkradio
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I have to apologize that the Post I just sent to the group stated that it came from AWS member Prof. James Scherz rather than from myself, which absolutely baffled me.  Until I remembered that when Jim and I met here yesterday in Wausau (Wisconsin),  he didn't have his computer along and accessed his Yahoo mail account via my iPad, but forgot to sign out.  I quickly just did so and hopefully am posting under my own name.  Sorry, Jim. 

Below is the one + hour interview mentioned in the previous post from April 15, 2012 of Martin Carriere whom I have come to know and highly regard since I was out in Halifax, Nova Scotia helping with the Atlantic Conference back in 2008.  Host Will Blue Otter on his Prophecykeepers blogtalkradio program is interviewing. Both are Ancient Waterways members and could have very well posted us about the interesting conversation a few days ago.

SisterSuz

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/prophecykeepers/2012/04/16/prophecykeepers-radio--the-truth-about-2012-and-beyond

Prophecykeepers Radio - Martin Carriere, Metis Historian

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#2925 From: "joe white" <joe_white@...>
Date: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: Chat with Blueotter?
joe_white@...
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it depends on the subject.
 
mark of beast, and NYC  just us two, or I will lose
my train of thought.  I will need your help in staying
focused.
 
shalom,  happy Sabbath.
 
so
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:26 PM
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Chat with Blueotter?

 

Why don't we just do a multi-caller hook up, do a roundtable discussion, and I'll record it for two hours and make it an episode. We can do it over more than one sitting if necessary.

I just cant sit and type for long... I have problems with my rotator cuff (shoulders) nowadays.


#2926 From: Pamela Giese <pamela_giese2000@...>
Date: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:27 pm
Subject: Re: A late comment re: the Great Serpent mound and Ross' earlier post
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Hello Jim & Susan,
 
If you're going to the Great Serpent Mound for Summer Solstice, try to catch the Solstice Sun Rise at Fort Ancient, about 30 miles away.  The Serpent Mound has a sunset alignment, so you won't miss anything by catching the sunrise at Fort Ancient.
 
I've seen some of the major Mayan sunrise alignments, and only they compare with Fort Ancient (nothing like it here in the U.K.).  The way the sunrise skims across the alignment mounds and blazes is really spectacular.  Sorry my attached image isn't better.  There's always a small crowd at the Fort Ancient site to see the sunrise.  There's both  summer and winter alignments.   In recent years, a calendar woodhenge-type wheel and serpent mound effigies have been found at Fort Ancient ---so it's definitely a place with a lot more mystery left to unfold.
 
For me, I'll probably be seeing in the summer solstice in Northumbria, probably the Goat Stones stone circle.   If anyone will be up here Newcastle, UK ways, drop me a line.
 
Pam
--- On Fri, 20/4/12, jpscherz <jpscherz@...> wrote:

From: jpscherz <jpscherz@...>
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] A late comment re: the Great Serpent mound and Ross' earlier post
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 20 April, 2012, 21:24

 

All,


Picking up an old thread titled Metrology in Ancient America, weeks ago I I intended to, but did not get around to commenting on a very well written post sent to this group by member Ross Hamilton that only received one comment (see post and comments at the base of this message).

 The DVR on my television automatically records pre-selected programs on the History Channel, PBS, BBC, etc., and with several research friends who stopped by recently, we watched the Ancient Aliens (& the Old West) program on the History Channel, Episode #21, referred to in the comment.   Beginning 46 minutes into the program (including commercials) is footage of the Great Serpent Mound in Adams County, Ohio  and interviews of AWS member Ross Hamilton as well as a number of representatives of various tribes speaking about petroglyphs, legends about possibilities of ancient 'aliens'  or 'star peoples'.  Not long ago (after the weather turned unseasonably summer-like when it was still winter here), I re-started attending outdoor campfire meetings with recovering Native friends on various reservation  lands east of here, not far from Lake Michigan.  No one there scoffs at legends of star beings within their traditions.  I also see no contradictions about my own ancestry coming  here by way of the seas and the stars, either. I do not by any means believe my own lineage to be at the pinnacle of or exemplify socio-cultural 'advancement', either, nor technologically wise in how we have interacted with Nature and fellow human beings over the millinnea.  This belief has played a major role in my search and why I earnestly step out of my comfort zones to enjoy the privilege of being able to civilly engaging with people and groups such as I can here at Ancient global Waterways.  And in my helping with conferences around the world that are open to possibilities based strongly within the Sciences, yet given life--- enspirited from ancient teachings of wisdom keepers aound the world who maintain reverence with the Earth and it's inhabitants.


Anyway, toward the top of my bucket list is a longtime desire to spend a few days at the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio.  So this week searching the Internet this week for a primitive camp site in a natural setting very close to the Serpent Mound, I ran a cross information about a 2012 Summer Solstice event there, which I am considering attending if my old car can make it that far by then.

Below too is a link to the Friends of Serpent Mounds association and, to my surprise, information I discovered about the May 1st release of Ross Hamilton's new book.  Please, all of you members here, keep this group posted specifically and with subject headings on things you members do that relate to each other and/or this YahooGroup!  Especially your related events, publications, radio interviews, television programs, conferences, and specific details as to what part of the world/nearby waterway you are referring.  Keeping members informed of each other and interconnecting intra- and intercontinental waterway localities is one of the main intentions I carried at the top of my bucket list years ago in being one of the original founders of this society of international researchers and friends. I have had a wooden sign on the back window of my car for at least a decade or two "ancient Waterways Society".  And another wooden sign at my kitchen door,  "Ancient Waterways Cafe" that faces the mighty Wisconsin River across the street.  This sign too is the starting point in my relationship with all who stop here for a meal or an overnight.  And seems to be at the roots of who I have become since my children have all moved away. 

Below, too, I scanned and pasted reviews of Ross' book by Robert Bauval and others.  Another post is coming your way soon as i can get to it that I accidently discovered last night after Prof. jim Scherz left.  It is a blogtalkradio interview of member Martin Carriere by member Will Blue Otter.

I do hope you members are interested in each other regardless of what part of the world you reside.  Are we not all inter-related, after these many years together?  Or, as Cal so aptly put it a few weeks ago in a post, are we not all linked way, way back within our human origins?

Poor momma here.  Just think how much we are missing of other members' efforts and accomplishments within this Society, along ancient global waterways.... I think many of  our ancestors knew the old waterway highways over great distances and those they paddled upon more intimately than we busy contemporaries do.

If there is inexpensive camping in a pristine setting near the Ohio Serpent Mound, perhaps one or more of you might wish to meet me there for a few days for the Summer Solstice gathering, or in the fall...

Susan

Summer Solstice Celebration 2012 at the Great Serpent Mound in Ohio:
http://www.serpentmound.org/festival.html

Friends of Serpent Mounds 2012 Events Page:

http://www.serpentmound.org/events.html

Star Mounds: Legacy of a Native American Mystery [Paperback]
Ross Hamilton (Author)

List Price: $29.95
Price: $19.37 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shippingon orders over $25. Details
You Save: $10.58 (35%)
Pre-order Price Guarantee. Learn more.
This title will be released on May 1, 2012.
Pre-order now!
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.

Book Description

Publication Date: May 1, 2012
Star Mounds is a full-color illustrated study of the precolonial monuments of the greater Ohio Valley, woven together with over fifty "medicine stories" inspired by Native American mythology that demonstrate the depth of the knowledge held by indigenous peoples about the universe they lived in.
 
The earthworks of the region have long mystified and intrigued scholars, archeologists, and anthropologists with their impressive size and design. The landscape practices of pioneer families destroyed much of them in the 1700s, but, during the first half of the 1800s, some serious mapmaking expeditions were able to record their locations. Utilizing many nineteenth-century maps as a base—including those of the gentlemen explorers Ephraim Squier and Edwin Davis—author Ross Hamilton reveals the meaning and purpose of these antique monuments.
 
Together with these maps, Hamilton applies new theories and geometrical formulas to the earthworks to demonstrate that the Ohio Valley was the setting of a manitou system, an interactive organization of specially shaped villages that was home to a sophisticated society of architects and astronomers. The author retells over fifty ancient stories based on Native American myth such as "The One-Eyed Man" and "The Story of How Mischief Became Hare" that clearly indicate how knowledgeable the valley's inhabitants were about the constellations and the movement of the stars. Finally, Hamilton relates the spiritual culture of the valley's early inhabitants to a kind of golden age of humanity when people lived in harmony with the Earth and Sky, and looks forward to a time when our own culture can foster a similar "spiritual technology" and life-giving relationship with nature.

Special Offers and Product Promotions

  • Pre-order Price Guarantee! Order now and if the Amazon.com price decreases between your order time and the end of the day of the release date, you'll receive the lowest price. Here's how (restrictions apply)E O. 1850-1919 RandallPaperback. 

Editorial Reviews

Review

"Ross Hamilton's Star Mounds: Legacy of a Native American Mystery is a must-read for all who are interested in ancient star lores."—Robert Bauval, author of Black Genesis: The Prehistoric Origins of Ancient Egypt 
 "Ross Hamilton's Star Mounds is a unique, rich study of America's mysterious earthworks and the brilliant insights built into them by the geniuses who lived here in ancient times. This book's very existence and the fact that someone had the tenacity, vision, and understanding—born of a lifetime of study—to produce such an unprecedented work, excites me to the core. The artistry of the presentation, the astronomical and geomantic diagrams, and the beautiful stories are a feast for those who truly want to understand the soul of ancient America. This book is the key! I look forward to years of reading and rereading this amazing book."—John Major Jenkins, author of The 2012 Story: The Myths, Fallacies, and Truth Behind the Most Intriguing Date in History
"There is an old Lakota story that says `always count the stars, for if we stop counting the stars we will cease to exist.' As beings of prescience, we must bring the inherent star knowledge above to Mother Earth below. Relationships come and go, but the knowledge, language, and imagination of Turtle Island's wisdom is never lost, however oblivious many are to its presence. Star Mounds: Legacy of a Native American Mystery has lit a fire for those who yearn for their originations."—Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Lakota leader and host of First Voices Indigenous Radio on WBAI New York/Pacifica Radio
"In the long-awaited sequel to The Mystery of the Serpent Mound, Ross Hamilton delves deeper into the spiritual science and sacred geometry of the Ohio Valley of millennia past. Focusing on the Great Serpent effigy as hub and power center, Hamilton extends his meticulous research to include the surrounding earthworks that together form a cosmological zodiac. In the spirit of `as above, so below,' this `holy machine' once facilitated interactions between energies of earth and sky to ultimately allow for communion with the star ancestors. In language lucid and poetic, … his book details solar, lunar, and stellar alignments and roots them in time through the precession of the equinoxes. Star Mounds is a huge leap forward for archaeoastronomy and a crucial key to understanding the complex beauty of these enigmatic earthworks.—Gary A. David, author of The Kivas of Heaven: Ancient Hopi Starlore
"Ross Hamilton's poetic analysis of the earthworks of the Ohio landscape is unique, inquisitive, and carried out in a gentle and respectful manner, with an emphasis on Native American mythology. Only the late John Michell could have created such a visionary report into the geometry, geomancy, astronomy, and mythology of this mysterious prehistoric landscape. Serpent Mound chose a wise representative to reveal her innermost secrets; many of her mysteries, long lost in the depths of time, have been bought back into the light. Star Mounds has also reopened the debate on ancient American history and reveals a lost enchanted landscape spread out over a wide area (even in present-day golf courses and residential areas). It gives the reader an insight into the prehistoric minds and hearts of a sophisticated team of intelligent, thoughtful and inspired architects, whose engineering and energetic fingerprints are still evident in the land thousands of years later."—Hugh Newman, organizer of the Megalithomania Conferences and author of Earth Grids: The Secret Patterns of Gaia's Sacred Sites
"Ross revives the wisdom of a forgotten tradition.… It is my hope that Ross's work and its success will reenergize these sites, so they can shine like the stars they were linked with."—Philip Coppens, author of The Ancient Alien Question: A New Inquiry Into the Existence, Evidence, and Influence of Ancient Visitors

About the Author

Born in 1948 on Long Island, New York, Ross Hamilton has lived in the greater Cincinnati, Ohio area since the age of seven. Fascinated by American Indian history from childhood, Hamilton has devoted his life to bringing to light the lost history of the North American continent. He has worked with activist Vine Deloria Jr., the former executive director of the National Congress of American Indians; Floyd "Red Crow" Westerman; and Iroquois chief Jake Swamp. He frequently gives interviews on the subject of the star mounds, most recently on the History Channel show Ancient Aliens (http://bit.ly/qNVsKE).

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Ross Hamilton <d.ross.hamilton@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I cited the Ancient Aliens show on that segment because the subject was not
> attributed to aliens, but to Native Americans. I think you might enjoy
> watching it. It's just the name of the show--not necessarily the content
> for all segments.
> Also, I've noticed that only Vince commented on subject. Thanks Vince.
> Ross
>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Chris Patenaude
> yacrispyubetcha@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > What pees me off more'n a tad are these fad TV shows about any mystery
> > at all linked to Aliens Aliens! I'm angered and insulted as a human to
> > think somebody in a media castle has figured out how to dumb down the US
> > Public even further and make money doing it! Claiming every fantastic,
> > phenomenal wisdom our ancestors figured out *all on their li'l lonesomes*is completely due to reptilian or birdmen from outer space, is denegrating
> > to the spectacular potential our species posesses. WE did it. WE figured
> > out the geometry and the grids and the spatial abstractions to create
> > wonderful works of engineering. Not some martian.
> >
> > Just because we've denied the proper educational challenges to our
> > children, and we're reaping the results with a retarded generation of dull
> > minds who can't think up anything on their own... that's no reason to turn
> > to fantasy to explain why we can't imagine how these things were done in
> > the past. It's the new superstition.
> > Ach, I'll get off my soap box now. But reeeeeely! Aliens. pah! We did it
> > by ourselves and continue to create marvelous things. Thank heavens there's
> > a hundered other channels to watch on the boob toob. Better yet, turn it
> > off and go walk a mound.
> > -cp
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 2/14/12, Vincent Barrows v_barrows@...* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Vincent Barrows v_barrows@...
> > Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] Metrology in Ancient America, re:
> > James Sherz
> > To: "d.ross.hamilton@..." d.ross.hamilton@...
> > Cc: "ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com" <
> > ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tuesday, February 14, 2012, 4:25 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross;
> > An artifact was found at Cahokia that closely matches the grid you have
> > shown (please see link below).
> >
> >
> > http://s243.photobucket.com/albums/ff280/Marburg72/TABLETS/Cahokia/11MS1330/?start=all
> >
> >
> > *From:* Ross Hamilton d.ross.hamilton@...
> > *To:* ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:18 AM
> > *Subject:* [ancient_waterways_society] Metrology in Ancient America, re:
> > James Sherz [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > The subject of ancient metrology in North America has met with the
> > paradigms peculiar to archaeological isolationism. Britain's John
> > Michell wrote extensively on the subject of world metrology in ancient
> > times, although he avoided a discussion including the North American
> > earthworks.I cannot help but wonder about the fact that trying to measure
> > out earthworks seems too risky a proposal when so many other places around
> > the world offer plenty of opportunities for more precise, quantitative
> > study by stone. Assuming Jim Sherz is familiar with Michell as well as
> > Thom, let's examine some other points of view.
> >
> > James A. Marshall, a surveyor from Chicago, performed probably the most
> > extensive revisiting of "Hopewell" sites after Squier & Davis and later
> > Cyrus Thomas. Marshall came up with several units of measure for the
> > earthworks of the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys, the most famous of which
> > was 1056 feet. Ray Hively and Robert Horn came up with approximately 1054
> > feet, and William F. Romain decided on 1053 (non decimalize). All these
> > measures were produced from approximations over sprawling earthwork
> > structures, and, as each study suggests, are not definitive. Greater
> > accuracies were admitted by these same authors when grids were placed,
> > distinguishing the earthworks in a way peculiar to our modern love of
> > precision. In 2001, I published The Mystery of the Serpent Mound (Random
> > House) wherein is demonstrated, also through the use of thoroughly
> > conceived grids, Alexander Thom's Megalithic Yard (MY. 2.72 feet) as well
> > as his Megalithic Rod (6.8 feet) in association with the Serpent Mound. In
> > that same publication, an in-depth discussion of the possible relationship
> > of the MY to the units proposed by Marshall, Hively and Horn, and Romain is
> > presented.
> >
> > In the attached figure, the Serpent Mound rests upon a hexagonal grid, the
> > perimeter of which is 720 of Thom's MY. Note the way the Serpent's
> > measurements can be defined by Thom's measure due to the alnost cunning
> > way the Serpent "fits" into the hexagonal matrix.
> >
> > As a volunteer and caretaker at the Serpent Mound site, on a clear autumn
> > afternoon about 4 years ago, and after we had just repaired a damaged path
> > along the western cliffs of the effigy, we made an unusual discovery of an
> > apparent megalithic-type standing stone. This discovery was published in
> > Ancient American Magazine, volume 14, issue 89 (2011). Because we can now
> > date the Serpent Mound by an astronomical method of association to the
> > Middle Archaic Period (about 6-5000 years ago), and because we believe that
> > standing stone (as illustrated in an animation video aired on the History
> > Channel's Ancient Aliens series season opener last year, 2011), was a key
> > to understanding the function of the Serpent Mound, we believe that Thom's
> > measure may apply to that site. In order to present this properly however,
> > the paradigm of abject isolationism must be removed, if only temporarily.
> > We have seen the possibility of trade moving from the Great lakes Copper
> > region tentatively to places far more distant than Hopewell or Adena trade
> > routes allow. During this period of mining (about 5,000 years ago by
> > approximation) it would seem that there may have been cultural influences
> > from beyond American borders at work in the Ohio and Mississippi Valleys.
> > For all we know with absolute certainty however, these influences dictating
> > measure could just as well have moved from North America out. We just do
> > not know what was going on anywhere in the world past 5,000 years ago, and
> > I greatly suspect that our own ancient America may hold a grand key to
> > grasping the architectures of ancient Britain, Mesoamerica, Greece, and
> > Egypt as we progress with our researches.
> >
> > Coming this summer: Star Mounds; Legacy of a Native American Mystery
> > (North Atantic/Random House).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

1 of 1 Photo(s)


#2927 From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:10 am
Subject: Southeastern Archaeology News: Miami Circle opens to the public
jameyboyusa
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http://www.southeasternarchaeology.com/

After 12 years, Miami Circle opens to the public
Miami's newest park has opened on the archaeological site 12 years after the
public shelled out
$27 million to save it.
Read the February 23, 2011, story from the Miami Herald at
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/23/2082167/after-12-years-miami-circle-opens.\
html

Stop by Macon if you just happen use the 475 by pass. Or cheek Southwest
Airlines from ATL to Miami. deparure:5/5/12 return:5/8/12

#2928 From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: Chat with Blueotter?
jameyboyusa
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I feel ya Brother... have a few friends with torn rottery cups.  As far as typing I'll see if I can find a voice relay for you so you wont have to type or a mod version of one or the other with a intergraded user friendly interface. As far as texting for on the go. I'm sure there are a few apps for that too or see of i can find a programer that has made one underground if need be.

I wrote most of this yesterday in which the content is in regards to international friends/phone plans vs Yahoo Messenger slightly put in more ways than one.... and the App wagon I've been on. What I'm not sure of yet is if any charge is pending by listerning aka some of us dont have a web cam or speakers...not even sure where my headset is. At any rate, it may be possible to even get rates dropped by a fraction or two. This phone plan is good idea for now but some of us are pinching pennies at the gas pump still...

"if you're not making international calls over your phone's cellular network, you'll still need to have an international plan in place to avoid exorbitant data charges."

It also makes sense also in mass numbers as well...people as far as in groups, not phones. Sending posts in groups is a start, but sending events in groups will have much more of an impact in half the time and perhaps rekendle some digital flames. In an organized group or groups such an effort could eventurally become spontaneous. There's no reason why groups should be or become less active... not in the 43 groups I'm in or the groups your in. Most Yahoo groups are about 15 yrs behind. I wasn't asking anyone to join the groups I listed that I'm in... but rather the groups that I will ask of to make this change and apply these options, those  in the list I sent (and the 2 I didn't send publicly) is roughly a total of about 4,200 email accounts active & bouncing in these few groups. Although I only recieve about 100 emails out of all groups which is about another 15 to 20,000. 

This is somewhat my point in dash dash dash compaired to a long run. Yahoo Messenger and Groups Labs Chat voice option with Yahoo Messenger... International to United States $ 0.019

US Moble Connect if I understand this correctly is stating cheeper by far than any other but that's from the U.S. to a few other countries with only up to a 2008 copyright. This is like the gas prices at an abanded gas station missing a number

http://allworldcellphones.com/

At any rate, be sure to check your current phone rates vs. Yahoo Messenger International rates.

Perhap some global relays that is compatable with Yahoo Messenger could be cheeper... Inasmuch as in cases of regarding international cell phone plans & friends regarding events once the norm in groups becomes a regulated option in groups this could actually become cheeper for non Amercians in groups. There may also be a moded versions that intergrade Yahoo Messenger with say Skype or others that have a better interface and more user friendly also.

Regarding a relay for Yahoo! Messenger there may be a cell phone App other than Androids for example, and Skype these seems to also be for PC's and more likey an App for older or newer gagets... it is Apps that is taking the digital world by storm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rLeG-blnc0

... as far as relay options for an international conference.

If AWS used the profile App in Group Labs that would be disclosed to members only my cell phone would have been included here and much more information that wouldn't need to be add to address books of any kind. Any email or webmail or cell phone book not if it's in groups. This email outlet idea is out of date for any active group. Public access and Security issues can both be delt with better with Apps. To many don't realize it now but Groups could be even more advanced than any over rated mutimedia outlet. That is excactly why I am so persistant & insisting regarding Group Managment in any group to assistant in any informed group that promotes stablity.

It wont be any time soon but these much needed updates will provide and produce and deliver more activity. The digital world has been taken over by Apps we just have to find the right ones. Basic Apps have been in Yahoo! Group Laps the whole time... many are not aware of how much this could have changed years ago. These's no reason groups should ever become disatisfied. Groups have alot to offer we just need the right Apps... right own down to my Grandma's recipe for Lobblolly Soup.

I would have included my additional information needed... I'm not going to pass out my personal information unless it is in Group Labs... otherwise I dread typing so much and the copy and paste thing gets just as old as Pete & Repeat.

jmcjr


--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Prophecykeepers Foundation <prophecykeepersdotcom@...> wrote:
>
> Why don't we just do a multi-caller hook up, do a roundtable discussion, and I'll record it for two hours and make it an episode. We can do it over more than one sitting if necessary.
>
> I just cant sit and type for long... I have problems with my rotator cuff (shoulders) nowadays.
>


#2929 From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:54 pm
Subject: 2012: The Mayan Word documentary
beldingenglish
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Excellent documentary probably far more reflective of current realities of 2012, by contemporary Mayan people's telling their stories and sharing ancient wisdoms.  
I have traveled to Mexico and particularly the Yucatan Peninsulanover the past couple of decades.  There is a glimpse of me at the beginning of this film, and I was helping at one of the 3012 conferences that had Spanish speaking speakers or Mayan representatives close to the lands and common peoples, traditions. 
I was likely the only staff member who did not stay at the resorts, but rode city buses and cooked, ate, bunked with Mexican and international travelers in simple hostels..  I hope many of you can appreciate this film which, to me, seems more representative of a current 2012 momentum, and historic and ancient legacies than much of what I have been seeing via Diffusionist, Archaelogical, and certainly metaphysical circles .   Susan

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/2012-mayan-word/


#2930 From: Larry Hancock <hancocklarry40@...>
Date: Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: 2012: The Mayan Word documentary
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Thank you.

--- On Sun, 4/22/12, Susan <beldingenglish@...> wrote:

From: Susan <beldingenglish@...>
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] 2012: The Mayan Word documentary
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 22, 2012, 9:54 AM

 

Excellent documentary probably far more reflective of current realities of 2012, by contemporary Mayan people's telling their stories and sharing ancient wisdoms.  
I have traveled to Mexico and particularly the Yucatan Peninsulanover the past couple of decades.  There is a glimpse of me at the beginning of this film, and I was helping at one of the 3012 conferences that had Spanish speaking speakers or Mayan representatives close to the lands and common peoples, traditions. 
I was likely the only staff member who did not stay at the resorts, but rode city buses and cooked, ate, bunked with Mexican and international travelers in simple hostels..  I hope many of you can appreciate this film which, to me, seems more representative of a current 2012 momentum, and historic and ancient legacies than much of what I have been seeing via Diffusionist, Archaelogical, and certainly metaphysical circles .   Susan

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/2012-mayan-word/


#2936 From: charles bruns <charbruns@...>
Date: Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:26 pm
Subject: once more from the top
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OC2 was a total surprise to me.  I told the young guy to just head out and see what he found, and he never called me over to this one.  Truly a team effort if a little scatterred.  The telephoto of distant boulder leaves me even more convinced it is a dolmen.  Must get back there with lines and Kasey, he can do ten times what I get done in a day.
 
Cache2 is in the ppt. but this shot clearly shows where the rock was removed from and then moved horizontaly.  also gives a better idea of the cliff than foto with my ex-wife in it.
 
Kasey's cube.  WYSWYG   Sharp young eyes, eh?   chb

#2937 From: minnesotastan@...
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:43 am
Subject: Re: "Learning Native Wisdom"
minnesotastan
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" If Im not mistaken Larry mon, it seems it may have been our Sting
Stone Stan (Min.Stan) who may have brought this up last year regarding
these marbles that somewhat favor turtle eggs but smaller or around the
subject of Klerksdorp spheres also."

"I once read how real marbles were made anciently by placing a small
rounded stone in a hole or depressioin in the rock and letting running
water fall on it and turn it until it was perfectly rounded."

I don't remember having commenting on that topic in the past.
Near-perfect spheres can certainly be created by water tumbling a rock
in a depression (just find a river with some holes in the underlying
bedrock or holes at the base of cascades and look in the bottom).  But
that kind of process takes forever.  I'm sure ancient people would have
"harvested" such spheres for various purposes, but can't conceive of
them placing stones there in an effort to create spheres.

Just my opinion.

#2938 From: minnesotastan@...
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:55 am
Subject: Re future supervision of this board
minnesotastan
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"I haven't been much good at co-hosting the past year or so.  I seem to
be recovered from what once looked to be a later stage  progressive
cancer. But my end of  co-hosting has been lagging in that i do not have
a computer, but  an  iPad and a low grade, slow DSL service.  I cannot
open most of the  YouTube links, attachments and sites members here
send."

"Should Stan and I pass on management in the near future, I personally
hope there would be a third person perhaps from outside the United
States to keep this group a global one, follwing the wisdom within the
letter and spirit of "international waters" .
-- Susan

I'd like to echo what Susan mentioned in her second paragraph above.  I
plan to leave the AWS  before mid-summer this year.  When Susan and I
set up the board in 2004, the activity here was infrequent and easy to
monitor with monthly checks (note the "message history" table at the
bottom of the home page).  In recent years the activity has ramped up
significantly, to the extent that it would be worthwhile for some
administrator to be here daily.  I can't do that; I'm having a hard time
reading the posts just once a week.

I've also lost some of my enthusiasm for the subject matter, having
become progressively more distracted by personal and family matters.
I'm sure Susan and Vince can manage without me, but it would be nice to
have some other member step up to accept "moderator" status.    When I
go, Susan will move up from Moderator to Owner of the board; the one
(significant) power this will consign to her will be that she will have
the power to click the "delete" button  - which instantly vaporizes the
board and all its content into nonexistence.  So you'll have to be nice
to her...

#2939 From: TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:43 am
Subject: Re: Re future supervision of this board
trayloroo
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Your talking "old age" talk ... it reminds me of an email that came this morning. The author made the analogy that .... Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end ... the faster it goes .... .
FIRST: You fearless leaders have done a great job.
SECOND: You need to create a job-description.
THIRD: Find the person/s that can handle that job ... per the description. That person may be a senior senior-citizen with years of reading in the area of interest to readers of this blog.
Which by the way, I think there are new eagle chicks. But the web sight has been commandeered by advertisers.
  CAL 
 
==========================
From: "minnesotastan@..." <minnesotastan@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re future supervision of this board

 
"I haven't been much good at co-hosting the past year or so. I seem to
be recovered from what once looked to be a later stage progressive
cancer. But my end of co-hosting has been lagging in that i do not have
a computer, but an iPad and a low grade, slow DSL service. I cannot
open most of the YouTube links, attachments and sites members here
send."

"Should Stan and I pass on management in the near future, I personally
hope there would be a third person perhaps from outside the United
States to keep this group a global one, follwing the wisdom within the
letter and spirit of "international waters" .
-- Susan

I'd like to echo what Susan mentioned in her second paragraph above. I
plan to leave the AWS before mid-summer this year. When Susan and I
set up the board in 2004, the activity here was infrequent and easy to
monitor with monthly checks (note the "message history" table at the
bottom of the home page). In recent years the activity has ramped up
significantly, to the extent that it would be worthwhile for some
administrator to be here daily. I can't do that; I'm having a hard time
reading the posts just once a week.

I've also lost some of my enthusiasm for the subject matter, having
become progressively more distracted by personal and family matters.
I'm sure Susan and Vince can manage without me, but it would be nice to
have some other member step up to accept "moderator" status. When I
go, Susan will move up from Moderator to Owner of the board; the one
(significant) power this will consign to her will be that she will have
the power to click the "delete" button - which instantly vaporizes the
board and all its content into nonexistence. So you'll have to be nice
to her...




#2940 From: TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:10 am
Subject: Re: Re future supervision of this board
trayloroo
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This morning in junk mail was one stray bullet ... not junk. Why was it sent to me?  Try this in your search window =   Incontri per lo Studio delle Tradizioni Alpin
   
There are several organizations of-shore that are interested in what we would call "pre Columbian era." There are Vikings, and in Viking country they have Viking artifacts like we have Amerindian artifacts .... and Roman artifacts. I was there and saw, and: In Malta, I was present when such a group was convening to exchange B.C. (BPE) information. Their ruins pre-date the pyramids. Hopefully some of those groups have readers of this blog.
.
Susan et al .... your idea of a European contact is VERY IMPORTANT, I suggest they have answers to many of our questions ...
 .
CAL   
 
================= 
 
From: TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
To: "ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com" <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] Re future supervision of this board

 
 
Your talking "old age" talk ... it reminds me of an email that came this morning. The author made the analogy that .... Life is like a roll of toilet paper. The closer to the end ... the faster it goes .... .
.
FIRST: You fearless leaders have done a great job.
.
SECOND: You need to create a job-description.
.
THIRD: Find the person/s that can handle that job ... per the description. That person may be a senior senior-citizen with years of reading in the area of interest to readers of this blog.
.
Which by the way, I think there are new eagle chicks. But the web sight has been commandeered by advertisers.
  CAL 
 
==========================
From: "minnesotastan@..." <minnesotastan@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 6:55 PM
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re future supervision of this board

 
"I haven't been much good at co-hosting the past year or so. I seem to
be recovered from what once looked to be a later stage progressive
cancer. But my end of co-hosting has been lagging in that i do not have
a computer, but an iPad and a low grade, slow DSL service. I cannot
open most of the YouTube links, attachments and sites members here
send."

"Should Stan and I pass on management in the near future, I personally
hope there would be a third person perhaps from outside the United
States to keep this group a global one, follwing the wisdom within the
letter and spirit of "international waters" .
-- Susan

I'd like to echo what Susan mentioned in her second paragraph above. I
plan to leave the AWS before mid-summer this year. When Susan and I
set up the board in 2004, the activity here was infrequent and easy to
monitor with monthly checks (note the "message history" table at the
bottom of the home page). In recent years the activity has ramped up
significantly, to the extent that it would be worthwhile for some
administrator to be here daily. I can't do that; I'm having a hard time
reading the posts just once a week.

I've also lost some of my enthusiasm for the subject matter, having
become progressively more distracted by personal and family matters.
I'm sure Susan and Vince can manage without me, but it would be nice to
have some other member step up to accept "moderator" status. When I
go, Susan will move up from Moderator to Owner of the board; the one
(significant) power this will consign to her will be that she will have
the power to click the "delete" button - which instantly vaporizes the
board and all its content into nonexistence. So you'll have to be nice
to her...






#2941 From: "bigalemc2" <puppet@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:53 pm
Subject: Re: Re future supervision of this board
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I've always wondered why this isn't set up as a blog or a forum.

Is there any particular reason?  It seems like either would be easier
and more powerful.  A blog would be better than a forum, IMHO.

A blog can be set up so that all current members can post, and so that
all comments are unmoderated.  If the occasional comments needs
deleting, that can be taken care of by one or two people on the rare
occasion it might be necessary.

I'd like to say that this board has been one of the best I've ever seen
for staying on topic, so going forward with a blog would be pretty
problem-free, I think.

But the bulletin board format like this seems to not be the best way
forward.  It might be an apporopriate time to change it.


Steve Garcia


--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, minnesotastan@...
wrote:
>
> "I haven't been much good at co-hosting the past year or so.  I seem
to
> be recovered from what once looked to be a later stage  progressive
> cancer. But my end of  co-hosting has been lagging in that i do not
have
> a computer, but  an  iPad and a low grade, slow DSL service.  I cannot
> open most of the  YouTube links, attachments and sites members here
> send."
>
> "Should Stan and I pass on management in the near future, I personally
> hope there would be a third person perhaps from outside the United
> States to keep this group a global one, follwing the wisdom within the
> letter and spirit of "international waters" .
> -- Susan
>
> I'd like to echo what Susan mentioned in her second paragraph above.
I
> plan to leave the AWS  before mid-summer this year.  When Susan and I
> set up the board in 2004, the activity here was infrequent and easy to
> monitor with monthly checks (note the "message history" table at the
> bottom of the home page).  In recent years the activity has ramped up
> significantly, to the extent that it would be worthwhile for some
> administrator to be here daily.  I can't do that; I'm having a hard
time
> reading the posts just once a week.
>
> I've also lost some of my enthusiasm for the subject matter, having
> become progressively more distracted by personal and family matters.
> I'm sure Susan and Vince can manage without me, but it would be nice
to
> have some other member step up to accept "moderator" status.    When I
> go, Susan will move up from Moderator to Owner of the board; the one
> (significant) power this will consign to her will be that she will
have
> the power to click the "delete" button  - which instantly vaporizes
the
> board and all its content into nonexistence.  So you'll have to be
nice
> to her...
>

#2942 From: "kbs2244" <kbs2244@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:56 pm
Subject: marbles
kbs2244
Send Email Send Email
 
That  method of making marbles was described in one of the early Foxfire books.
It didn't take all that long since it was a 24/7 hour process.
As I remember, you drilled a hole in a hard stream side rock.
That was the hard part.
Then you put your already almost round rock in the hole.
Then you used a hollowed to stick as a straw to pipe the water so it fell down
the edge of the hole and spun the rock.
Placement of the falling water stream was critical.
You had to maintain a current that would keep the rock spinning and randomly
changing direction so it became a sphere and not a cylinder.

#2943 From: quarefremeruntgentes7@...
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re future supervision of this board
quarefremeru...
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I would miss having a record of messages through my e-mail. This setup is also
the easiest for those of us with limited internet access.

Another pitfall--I remember the ezboard site claiming "intellectual property
rights" over any messages posted to their boards.

Just my two cents.

Jeff


Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "bigalemc2" <puppet@...>
Sender: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 18:53:12
To: <ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: Re future supervision of this board

I've always wondered why this isn't set up as a blog or a forum.

Is there any particular reason?  It seems like either would be easier
and more powerful.  A blog would be better than a forum, IMHO.

A blog can be set up so that all current members can post, and so that
all comments are unmoderated.  If the occasional comments needs
deleting, that can be taken care of by one or two people on the rare
occasion it might be necessary.

I'd like to say that this board has been one of the best I've ever seen
for staying on topic, so going forward with a blog would be pretty
problem-free, I think.

But the bulletin board format like this seems to not be the best way
forward.  It might be an apporopriate time to change it.


Steve Garcia


--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, minnesotastan@...
wrote:
>
> "I haven't been much good at co-hosting the past year or so.  I seem
to
> be recovered from what once looked to be a later stage  progressive
> cancer. But my end of  co-hosting has been lagging in that i do not
have
> a computer, but  an  iPad and a low grade, slow DSL service.  I cannot
> open most of the  YouTube links, attachments and sites members here
> send."
>
> "Should Stan and I pass on management in the near future, I personally
> hope there would be a third person perhaps from outside the United
> States to keep this group a global one, follwing the wisdom within the
> letter and spirit of "international waters" .
> -- Susan
>
> I'd like to echo what Susan mentioned in her second paragraph above.
I
> plan to leave the AWS  before mid-summer this year.  When Susan and I
> set up the board in 2004, the activity here was infrequent and easy to
> monitor with monthly checks (note the "message history" table at the
> bottom of the home page).  In recent years the activity has ramped up
> significantly, to the extent that it would be worthwhile for some
> administrator to be here daily.  I can't do that; I'm having a hard
time
> reading the posts just once a week.
>
> I've also lost some of my enthusiasm for the subject matter, having
> become progressively more distracted by personal and family matters.
> I'm sure Susan and Vince can manage without me, but it would be nice
to
> have some other member step up to accept "moderator" status.    When I
> go, Susan will move up from Moderator to Owner of the board; the one
> (significant) power this will consign to her will be that she will
have
> the power to click the "delete" button  - which instantly vaporizes
the
> board and all its content into nonexistence.  So you'll have to be
nice
> to her...
>




------------------------------------

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#2944 From: Larry Hancock <hancocklarry40@...>
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: marbles
hancocklarry40
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Thanks. That is what I remember reading, but it was so long ago I could not remember where.

--- On Sun, 4/29/12, kbs2244 <kbs2244@...> wrote:

From: kbs2244 <kbs2244@...>
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] marbles
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 29, 2012, 2:56 PM

 

That method of making marbles was described in one of the early Foxfire books.
It didn't take all that long since it was a 24/7 hour process.
As I remember, you drilled a hole in a hard stream side rock.
That was the hard part.
Then you put your already almost round rock in the hole.
Then you used a hollowed to stick as a straw to pipe the water so it fell down the edge of the hole and spun the rock.
Placement of the falling water stream was critical.
You had to maintain a current that would keep the rock spinning and randomly changing direction so it became a sphere and not a cylinder.


#2945 From: minnesotastan@...
Date: Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: Re future supervision of this board
minnesotastan
Send Email Send Email
 
"I've always wondered why this isn't set up as a blog or a forum.

Is there any particular reason?  It seems like either would be easier
and more powerful.  A blog would be better than a forum, IMHO.

A blog can be set up so that all current members can post, and so that
all comments are unmoderated.  If the occasional comments needs
deleting, that can be taken care of by one or two people on the rare
occasion it might be necessary.

I'd like to say that this board has been one of the best I've ever seen
for staying on topic, so going forward with a blog would be pretty
problem-free, I think.

But the bulletin board format like this seems to not be the best way
forward.  It might be an apporopriate time to change it.


Steve Garcia



Steve, I actually agree with you totally.  The reason AWS is set up the
way it is is that this was the only thing I knew how to do when Susan
and I talked at an Ancient Earthworks Society meeting 8 years ago.  That
was several years before I started my own blog, but I was familiar with
the Yahoo Groups from various investment discussion groups.

I don't particularly like the format here because the posts so often
incorporate past material and get endlessly complex.  A blog would
probably be more manageable - and it would be way better for posting
photos and links.

If you'd like to set one up under the title "Ancient Waterways Society
blog," please feel free to do so.  I don't think anyone here would
object to your using the AWS name (or another one if you prefer).
Personally I would recommend Google's Blogger as a host.  It's free and
easy.   Then just post a message here and let people migrate to the new
platform.

Stan

#2946 From: charles bruns <charbruns@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:30 am
Subject: did you see this?
charbruns
Send Email Send Email
 
?  under amythest.  chb

#2947 From: Susan English <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:35 am
Subject: Re: Re future supervision of this board
beldingenglish
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Stan, Steve Garcia and many here who have expressed interest in making a major change in format in behalf of this group. I am glad this discussion has come up. As a co-founder and co-host, here is my input: 

I believe we should keep open the idea of who will become 'host', if that role would entail the ability to delete all of the posts, files, photos, and the group.  I'd hope the new host will continue with Stan's humility, lack of ego-centrism, candor in dealing with things of significance within this association.  As a retired educator, I have no doubt Stan inspired thousands of fine doctors as he has this group and thousands of members of his award-winning TYWKIYDBI blog.

No one, of course, owns the title.  During the 1980's I am likely the first person who used the term Ancient Waterways Society and a wooden sign on the back window of my vehicles to inspire conversation.  i infrequently also used the term Diffusionists Without Borders after my signature, both to make points with correspondents or  groups:  that waterways worldwide were (and in some ways still are) the roadways that interconnected peoples within and between continents .... long before we were divided, often isolated by tribe, nation, borders. 

My 'politics' within all of this is, contrary to common belief is the belief that at the roots of all of us, that we were (and are) peaceful, loving, intelligent peoples...stronger and more creative when in respect of each other and reverent of Nature, than when greedy and destructive toward each other and our world.  The latter of which History provides plenty of evidence for.  I look for and am finding alternative evidence for  the opposite, often from some of you here.  Most important, is   the where, when and what that took place in all of these circumstances that reversed those once more intelligent and wise ways of living.  
 
In whatever folks have for a group such as this, I believe people of diverse interests and backgrounds today -- via the global waterways of our ancient ancestors -- may find common ground and freedom of access  through "international waters", which we try to allow here.  During the 1980's as a graduate student in ancient world Socio-cultural studies (w/Peace Studies minor) and,  as a U. S. resident, I was determined  to go beyond the confines of nation implied by terms as "Ancient American" or "PreColumbian", both of which made up the focus of most of my affiliations and educational background.  The Ancient Waterways Society that has become this group includes folks whose interests span cultural, international,  educational backgrounds, diverse beliefs, and ways of living.

I too have encouraged members' own personal use of the term Ancient Waterways Society with hope that a mutually-enhancing focus on waterways and peoples be kept inclusively international, inter-tribal, respectful, and inclusive of teachings of wisdomkeepers as well as the Sciences,  which have withstood the tests of time or scrutiny of measure.

This group and your mutual contributions at a group such as this seems to be an experiment as well a dream come true for me.  Changing the format may encourage the free exchange of even more people, and I do hope this group continues to expand beyond the boundaries that stifle the freedoms in format and thoughtful expression of many other associations.

My gratitude to Pam Giese, now living in the United Kingdom, for her input starting an internet Ancient Waterways Society years ago when I was even less computer adept.  And always toward Stan --- a stranger when I met him --- for setting up and continuing to host this fine Ancient Waterways Society via YahooGroups.  I respect his input into this group's guidelines and our resulting inclusive and diversely global scope.  And that  there has been no single moderator or dominating force here; instead,  many dozens of folks moderating and helping to maintain the integrity of this association, as a whole.  There are sound ideas presented here that I have not run across anywhere, hence the reason for many scientists, authors, professionals and others who do not join internet groups yet check Posts at this site from time to time. I appreciate that many of you have been so inspired, yourselves, that you have become members. 

In closing, again, though a co-founder here, I only have an IPad, it is difficult to do anything other than look up links, follow posts and do some unformatted correspondence.  I too hope this group remains mutually moderating, and that if there are to be hosts and co-hosts, that they be representative of the geographical, cultural, and other diversities within the group.  I too have long encouraged members' personal use of the term Ancient Waterways Society with hopes that focus on waterways and peoples be kept inclusively global, mutually enhancing, respectful, and leaning heavily toward a scientific base.

Susan English

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:35 PM, minnesotastan@... wrote:

 

"I've always wondered why this isn't set up as a blog or a forum.

Is there any particular reason? It seems like either would be easier
and more powerful. A blog would be better than a forum, IMHO.

A blog can be set up so that all current members can post, and so that
all comments are unmoderated. If the occasional comments needs
deleting, that can be taken care of by one or two people on the rare
occasion it might be necessary.

I'd like to say that this board has been one of the best I've ever seen
for staying on topic, so going forward with a blog would be pretty
problem-free, I think.

But the bulletin board format like this seems to not be the best way
forward. It might be an apporopriate time to change it.

Steve Garcia

Steve, I actually agree with you totally. The reason AWS is set up the
way it is is that this was the only thing I knew how to do when Susan
and I talked at an Ancient Earthworks Society meeting 8 years ago. That
was several years before I started my own blog, but I was familiar with
the Yahoo Groups from various investment discussion groups.

I don't particularly like the format here because the posts so often
incorporate past material and get endlessly complex. A blog would
probably be more manageable - and it would be way better for posting
photos and links.

If you'd like to set one up under the title "Ancient Waterways Society
blog," please feel free to do so. I don't think anyone here would
object to your using the AWS name (or another one if you prefer).
Personally I would recommend Google's Blogger as a host. It's free and
easy. Then just post a message here and let people migrate to the new
platform.

Stan

=

#2948 From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:16 pm
Subject: Re: Re future supervision of this board
jameyboyusa
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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ancient_waterways_society/grouplets/subscript\
ions

Nothing major is really needed. Jeff is right email is one user friendly option.
AWS wants to remain public and at the same time
flexibility is a good thing. Stability has recently become an issue at
MixedBloodNatives at Yahoo! Hopefully there are at least 5% of grouplets willing
to help out of 822 members.

All groups at Yahoo! needs most of the Apps options available to be updated.
This of course would be limited to Yahoo! AWS group infrastructure. Some folks
would naturally be more comfortable with & within these additional settings to
utilize all group connections.
Apps improve our virtual option field. Who know perhaps an AWS Poll would be
helpful to determine group interests as well. This is the first thing I did at
Texas Tech in 2002 or 2003. I didn't slay any giants there perhaps because I
didn't stay within the box. What enjoyment could anyone get out of that? It
would be misleading as some profile options are.

jmcjr



--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Susan English
<beldingenglish@...> wrote:
>
> Stan, Steve Garcia and many here who have expressed interest in making a major
change in format in behalf of this group. I am glad this discussion has come up.
As a co-founder and co-host, here is my input:
>
> I believe we should keep open the idea of who will become 'host', if that role
would entail the ability to delete all of the posts, files, photos, and the
group.  I'd hope the new host will continue with Stan's humility, lack of
ego-centrism, candor in dealing with things of significance within this
association.  As a retired educator, I have no doubt Stan inspired thousands of
fine doctors as he has this group and thousands of members of his award-winning
TYWKIYDBI blog.
>
> No one, of course, owns the title.  During the 1980's I am likely the first
person who used the term Ancient Waterways Society and a wooden sign on the back
window of my vehicles to inspire conversation.  i infrequently also used the
term Diffusionists Without Borders after my signature, both to make points with
correspondents or  groups:  that waterways worldwide were (and in some ways
still are) the roadways that interconnected peoples within and between
continents .... long before we were divided, often isolated by tribe, nation,
borders.
>
> My 'politics' within all of this is, contrary to common belief is the belief
that at the roots of all of us, that we were (and are) peaceful, loving,
intelligent peoples...stronger and more creative when in respect of each other
and reverent of Nature, than when greedy and destructive toward each other and
our world.  The latter of which History provides plenty of evidence for.  I look
for and am finding alternative evidence for  the opposite, often from some of
you here.  Most important, is   the where, when and what that took place in all
of these circumstances that reversed those once more intelligent and wise ways
of living.
>
> In whatever folks have for a group such as this, I believe people of diverse
interests and backgrounds today -- via the global waterways of our ancient
ancestors -- may find common ground and freedom of access  through
"international waters", which we try to allow here.  During the 1980's as a
graduate student in ancient world Socio-cultural studies (w/Peace Studies minor)
and,  as a U. S. resident, I was determined  to go beyond the confines of nation
implied by terms as "Ancient American" or "PreColumbian", both of which made up
the focus of most of my affiliations and educational background.  The Ancient
Waterways Society that has become this group includes folks whose interests span
cultural, international,  educational backgrounds, diverse beliefs, and ways of
living.
>
> I too have encouraged members' own personal use of the term Ancient Waterways
Society with hope that a mutually-enhancing focus on waterways and peoples be
kept inclusively international, inter-tribal, respectful, and inclusive of
teachings of wisdomkeepers as well as the Sciences,  which have withstood the
tests of time or scrutiny of measure.
>
> This group and your mutual contributions at a group such as this seems to be
an experiment as well a dream come true for me.  Changing the format may
encourage the free exchange of even more people, and I do hope this group
continues to expand beyond the boundaries that stifle the freedoms in format and
thoughtful expression of many other associations.
>
> My gratitude to Pam Giese, now living in the United Kingdom, for her input
starting an internet Ancient Waterways Society years ago when I was even less
computer adept.  And always toward Stan --- a stranger when I met him --- for
setting up and continuing to host this fine Ancient Waterways Society via
YahooGroups.  I respect his input into this group's guidelines and our resulting
inclusive and diversely global scope.  And that  there has been no single
moderator or dominating force here; instead,  many dozens of folks moderating
and helping to maintain the integrity of this association, as a whole.  There
are sound ideas presented here that I have not run across anywhere, hence the
reason for many scientists, authors, professionals and others who do not join
internet groups yet check Posts at this site from time to time. I appreciate
that many of you have been so inspired, yourselves, that you have become
members.
>
> In closing, again, though a co-founder here, I only have an IPad, it is
difficult to do anything other than look up links, follow posts and do some
unformatted correspondence.  I too hope this group remains mutually moderating,
and that if there are to be hosts and co-hosts, that they be representative of
the geographical, cultural, and other diversities within the group.  I too have
long encouraged members' personal use of the term Ancient Waterways Society with
hopes that focus on waterways and peoples be kept inclusively global, mutually
enhancing, respectful, and leaning heavily toward a scientific base.
>
> Susan English
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 2:35 PM, minnesotastan@... wrote:
>
> > "I've always wondered why this isn't set up as a blog or a forum.
> >
> > Is there any particular reason? It seems like either would be easier
> > and more powerful. A blog would be better than a forum, IMHO.
> >
> > A blog can be set up so that all current members can post, and so that
> > all comments are unmoderated. If the occasional comments needs
> > deleting, that can be taken care of by one or two people on the rare
> > occasion it might be necessary.
> >
> > I'd like to say that this board has been one of the best I've ever seen
> > for staying on topic, so going forward with a blog would be pretty
> > problem-free, I think.
> >
> > But the bulletin board format like this seems to not be the best way
> > forward. It might be an apporopriate time to change it.
> >
> > Steve Garcia
> >
> > Steve, I actually agree with you totally. The reason AWS is set up the
> > way it is is that this was the only thing I knew how to do when Susan
> > and I talked at an Ancient Earthworks Society meeting 8 years ago. That
> > was several years before I started my own blog, but I was familiar with
> > the Yahoo Groups from various investment discussion groups.
> >
> > I don't particularly like the format here because the posts so often
> > incorporate past material and get endlessly complex. A blog would
> > probably be more manageable - and it would be way better for posting
> > photos and links.
> >
> > If you'd like to set one up under the title "Ancient Waterways Society
> > blog," please feel free to do so. I don't think anyone here would
> > object to your using the AWS name (or another one if you prefer).
> > Personally I would recommend Google's Blogger as a host. It's free and
> > easy. Then just post a message here and let people migrate to the new
> > platform.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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#2949 From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:36 pm
Subject: Re: did you see this?
jameyboyusa
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Nice!!

You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing Charlie.
Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post to find out a
little more.

Very interesting indeed.

jmcjr


--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns <charbruns@...>
wrote:
>
> ?  under amythest.  chb
>

#2950 From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 12:17 am
Subject: Re: Re: did you see this?
tedsojka
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Check with a geologist also, as it may be a fossil.  

t


On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:

 

Nice!!

You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post to find out a little more.

Very interesting indeed.

jmcjr

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns <charbruns@...> wrote:
>
> ?  under amythest.  chb
>



#2951 From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 12:20 am
Subject: Re: A thought
tedsojka
Send Email Send Email
 
If ten members put in 40 bucks, or  40 members ten bucks, we could get a nice I pad for Suzan English so she could continue the wonderful job she has been doing of getting us all connected.  She is a connection maker for sure.    

Let's hear some feedback, especially from Stan and Vince, the other moderators before we leave this format and become bloggers.
On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:

 

Nice!!

You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post to find out a little more.

Very interesting indeed.

jmcjr

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns <charbruns@...> wrote:
>
> ?  under amythest.  chb
>



#2952 From: charles bruns <charbruns@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 1:11 am
Subject: Re: Re: did you see this?
charbruns
Send Email Send Email
 
believe the rock is igneous (sp) not sedimentary - but then I am no geologist.  thanks for the tip.
photos by Kerri Jones of TJB Archeological Associates.  photos in close proximity.  Kasey J. is finger & red hat.  chb

From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: did you see this?

 
Check with a geologist also, as it may be a fossil.  

t


On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:

 
Nice!!

You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post to find out a little more.

Very interesting indeed.

jmcjr

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns <charbruns@...> wrote:
>
> ?  under amythest.  chb
>





#2953 From: TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 2:04 am
Subject: Re: A thought
trayloroo
Send Email Send Email
 
Great idea, why didn't I think of that ..... 
 
I will do half, $200.  When the other half shows, I suggest Susan go to her store of choice.  Store phone each of us to make charges to each of our credit cards.  Or ... what ever way you sugest .   CAL            
 
  =======================
 
 
 
From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] A thought

 
If ten members put in 40 bucks, or  40 members ten bucks, we could get a nice I pad for Suzan English so she could continue the wonderful job she has been doing of getting us all connected.  She is a connection maker for sure.    

Let's hear some feedback, especially from Stan and Vince, the other moderators before we leave this format and become bloggers.
On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:

 
Nice!!

You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post to find out a little more.

Very interesting indeed.

jmcjr

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns <charbruns@...> wrote:
>
> ?  under amythest.  chb
>





#2954 From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 2:15 am
Subject: Re: A thought
beldingenglish
Send Email Send Email
 
Thank you for the kind thought once again, Ted, but absolutely not. 
I have an iPhone and an iPad from birthday presents from my children the past couple of years. My mention of only having an iPad is that  just I could not be host.  I am unable to format or make up the hopefully helpful  AWS welcoming letters with paragraphs and links from approximately twenty- five of you volunteers, as I used to.  As a co- host my main role has been with membership and making interconnections, hence why most of my posts are more relationship- oriented than research-based. And I appreciate members being tolerant of such posts, and my biases and push toward global waterways and international membership rather than strictly US or 'American'.  

I do like the idea of a blog, too, if it didn't become a superficially chatty avenue filled with slang, acronyms and computer jivebthst most of us would not understand. I'd hope most members would follow reasonably  topics related to the main purposes suggested for this group. 

Assuming this will be under discussion for awhile,I would like to know more about the feasibilities of photos and files in relationship to  a blog or forum, compared to what we have now. I liked Steve Garcia's suggestions, and always have enjoyed his input....-as a very early member here.  I am hoping he, maybe with input from Pam Giese (since she at one time was working on setting up an AWS site years, at my request, some time before Stan created the excellent group we have now.  

 But with Vince, Charles, and perhaps Ted or Martin co-hosting this AWS Yahoogroup and a new AWS blog added as an alternative via Steve Garcia (et al) overseeing, Iyhis would give our fairly large membership choices to choose either, both, or neither. 

Maybe what i suggest here is too complicated.   I am in the middle if an evening work shift pecking in the semi- darkness on an iPhone. But wanted to Post immediately BEFORE ANYONE HERE PULLS OUT YOUR CHECKBOOKS!  
Pardon if typographical errors here.  Continuing suggestions welcome, but on other thread.
Thank you,  
Susan

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...> wrote:
>
> If ten members put in 40 bucks, or 40 members ten bucks, we could get
> a nice I pad for Suzan English so she could continue the wonderful job
> she has been doing of getting us all connected. She is a connection
> maker for sure.
>
> Let's hear some feedback, especially from Stan and Vince, the other
> moderators before we leave this format and become bloggers.
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:
>
> > Nice!!
> >
> > You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing
> > Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group
> > post to find out a little more.
> >
> > Very interesting indeed.
> >
> > jmcjr
> >
> > --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns
> > charbruns@ wrote:
> > >
> > > ? under amythest. chb
> > >
> >
> >
>

#2955 From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 2:25 am
Subject: Re: A thought
beldingenglish
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Thank you also for your generosity, too, dear longtime member and friend, Cal.  But once again, never!  You always provide wisdom and fine input to the group.  I value your comments on this matter, too. Do you think it advantageous for this group to have a Yahoogroup and blog simultaneously?  I've not discussed ur with the host-co-hosts, but I'd think that eventually the groups would go viably in their own directions...
Susan

--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, TRAYLOROO <trayloroo@...> wrote:
>
> Great idea, why didn't I think of that ..... 
>  
> I will do half, $200.  When the other half shows, I suggest Susan go to her store of choice.  Store phone each of us to make charges to each of our credit cards.  Or ... what ever way you sugest .   CAL            
>
>   =======================
>  
>   
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ted Sojka tedsojka@...
> To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society] A thought
>
>
>
>  
>
> If ten members put in 40 bucks, or  40 members ten bucks, we could get a nice I pad for Suzan English so she could continue the wonderful job she has been doing of getting us all connected.  She is a connection maker for sure.    
>
> Let's hear some feedback, especially from Stan and Vince, the other moderators before we leave this format and become bloggers.
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:
>
>  
> >Nice!!
> >
> >You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post to find out a little more.
> >
> >Very interesting indeed.
> >
> >jmcjr
> >
> >--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns charbruns@ wrote:
> >>
> >> ?  under amythest.  chb
> >>
> >
> >
>

#2956 From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 3:10 am
Subject: James Anaya April 23- May 4 in U.S. & bio page
jameyboyusa
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The United Nations Special Rapporteur on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples,
Professor James Anaya, will carry out an official visit to the United States of
America from 23 April to 4 May 2012.

The aim of the Special Rapporteur's visit to the United States is to examine the
human rights situation of the indigenous peoples of the country, that is,
American Indians/Native Americans, Alaska Natives and Native Hawaiians. During
the visit, the Special Rapporteur will hold meetings and consultations with
federal and state government officials, as well as with indigenous nations and
their representatives, in various locations.

rest at:

http://unsr.jamesanaya.org/visit-to-usa/official-visit-to-the-united-states-from\
-23-april-to-4-may-2012


James Anaya is a Regents Professor and the  James J. Lenoir Professor of Human
Rights Law and Policy at the University of Arizona James E. Rogers College of
Law (USA), where he teaches and writes in the areas of international human
rights, constitutional law, and issues concerning indigenous peoples.


http://unsr.jamesanaya.org/sja/biographical-information

#2957 From: "james m clark jr" <jameyboy@...>
Date: Tue May 1, 2012 3:51 am
Subject: Re: A thought
jameyboyusa
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Recall the old days when Aol, Juno and MSN use to give the disc away  like
internet golden candy suckers a dazzling illuminating spectrum of colored
light.... that trend seems to be starting again with Juno and Net Zero but this
time attracting the web 2.0 users. Forbes said of Yahoo! that it is still in
it's 2000 shell....that may be true if Yahoo! Apps isn't updated.

At any rate phone companies are still trying to hang in there also. Not sure of
the latest buzz but AT&T has a fair deal for high speed cordless internet
service that is less than 15 buck a month in the south. Phone companies also had
an advantage 2 3 4 people could be online at the same time on the same
account... then don't know about now.

be well,
jamey






--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
wrote:
>
> Thank you also for your generosity, too, dear longtime member and
> friend, Cal.  But once again, never!  You always provide wisdom and fine
> input to the group.  I value your comments on this matter, too. Do you
> think it advantageous for this group to have a Yahoogroup and blog
> simultaneously?  I've not discussed ur with the host-co-hosts, but I'd
> think that eventually the groups would go viably in their own
> directions...Susan
> --- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, TRAYLOROO
> <trayloroo@> wrote:
> >
> > Great idea, why didn't I think of that .....Â
> > Â
> > I will do half, $200.  When the other half shows, I
> suggest Susan go to her store of choice.  Store phone each of us to
> make charges to each of our credit cards.  Or ... what ever way
> you sugest .   CAL        Â
> Â Â Â
> >
> > Â  =======================
> > Â
> > Â Â
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: Ted Sojka tedsojka@
> > To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ancient_waterways_society]   A thought
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > If ten members put in 40 bucks, or  40 members ten bucks, we could
> get a nice I pad for Suzan English so she could continue the wonderful
> job she has been doing of getting us all connected. Â She is a
> connection maker for sure. Â  Â
> >
> > Let's hear some feedback, especially from Stan and Vince, the other
> moderators before we leave this format and become bloggers.
> >
> > On Apr 30, 2012, at 6:36 PM, james m clark jr wrote:
> >
> > Â
> > >Nice!!
> > >
> > >You said perhaps on a dolmen? What direction is this sun sign facing
> Charlie. Come across this in S. Am or Cen. Am? I can search group post
> to find out a little more.
> > >
> > >Very interesting indeed.
> > >
> > >jmcjr
> > >
> > >--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, charles bruns
> charbruns@ wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?  under amythest.  chb
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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