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#3362 From: "Susan" <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:56 pm
Subject: America unearthed - the Desert Cross
beldingenglish
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As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving compansions) drove  over to  speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near  Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008. Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy style meals and kept things very low cost. 

For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here  is  America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross,   from an Arizona setting.  Some  here might enjoy the geology.  Since tjis link comes va the Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30  second ads i did not know how to bypass. 

 http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-the-desert-cross




#3363 From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: Save history, fresh water and air.
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Dear Susan,

Here is a site with two very short videos on an issue that endangers ancient sites, villages, burials.  The first video is from a site in Wisconsin on the Chippewa River.

A truck goes by about 1 a minute and the lady who is in front of her house gives a good account.  

In Minnesota yesterday, three state senators from the Southeast part of Minnesota entered a bill to establish a regulation board as they have none and have several sand mines and a terminal in Winona shipping out Wisconsin sands.  The idea that the sand dust affects everyone who breathes or drinks water made it worth being informed about.


On Feb 26, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Susan wrote:

 

As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving compansions) drove  over to  speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near  Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008. Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy style meals and kept things very low cost. 


For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here  is  America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross,   from an Arizona setting.  Some  here might enjoy the geology.  Since tjis link comes va the Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30  second ads i did not know how to bypass. 







#3364 From: Karla Akins <kkakins@...>
Date: Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: America unearthed - the Desert Cross
karlaakins
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That's my favorite show. I love Scott Wolter. Great guy.
Karla Akins


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Susan <beldingenglish@...> wrote:
 

As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving compansions) drove  over to  speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near  Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008. Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy style meals and kept things very low cost. 


For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here  is  America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross,   from an Arizona setting.  Some  here might enjoy the geology.  Since tjis link comes va the Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30  second ads i did not know how to bypass. 







--
Karla Akins


#3368 From: Susan English <beldingenglish@...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2013 12:25 am
Subject: Re: America unearthed - the Desert Cross
beldingenglish
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He spends a lot of time in the summer diving for agates at Copper Harbor.  The weekend of our informal symposium there he was,  walking to his vehicle carrying the largest (two-handed) agate I have seen. I believe he has a book out about Lake Superior agates.   Agate-picking is a past-time one can spend hours doing on the beach up there.  
If we ever do another 'cheap' AWS resort gathering up in the Copper Country off-season like we did when Lee Pennington was doing some early, pre-foliage filming for his Copper Culture video, I will let you and this group know well ahead.  I live five or six hours south in Wausau, Wisconsin, too, and have provided couch/bed/floor space for those driving to and from that area, if anyone needs it.  

Speaking of Dr. Pennington, he is in the following "Motive for Murder" episode of America Unearthed talking about the ancient Welsh in America.  I don't know if this episode furthers the death nail on the Brandenburg Stone in KY, which is stated to be an early 1800's hoax according to one of the H2 investigators....

Below is the free History Channel link as well as one other (which are never online long...says 'for educational purposes only' ), because I cannot seem to get this H2 episode. Motive for Murder gives a provocative account of freemason Merriweather Lewis' (Lewis & Clark) suicide (or possible murder).  Thanks for the reply, Karla.


or, 

Susan English -- sent from my iPad

On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Karla Akins <kkakins@... 
 

That's my favorite show. I love Scott Wolter. Great guy.
Karla Akins


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Susan <beldingenglish@...> wrote:
 

As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving compansions) drove  over to  speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near  Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008. Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy style meals and kept things very low cost. 


For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here  is  America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross,   from an Arizona setting.  Some  here might enjoy the geology.  Since tjis link comes va the Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30  second ads i did not know how to bypass. 







--
Karla Akins


#3370 From: "Rick O" <ozman@...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:34 pm
Subject: Re: America unearthed - the Desert Cross
ozmanusaa
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Scott's "expert" failed him on the research of Coelbren. There are at
least 2 "dark ages" engraved stones using that alphabet. Oddly, one of
them mentions Artorius Rex - a Latinized Brut name written in Colbren.
--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Susan English
<beldingenglish@...> wrote:
>
> He spends a lot of time in the summer diving for agates at Copper
Harbor. The weekend of our informal symposium there he was, walking to
his vehicle carrying the largest (two-handed) agate I have seen. I
believe he has a book out about Lake Superior agates. Agate-picking is
a past-time one can spend hours doing on the beach up there.
> If we ever do another 'cheap' AWS resort gathering up in the Copper
Country off-season like we did when Lee Pennington was doing some early,
pre-foliage filming for his Copper Culture video, I will let you and
this group know well ahead. I live five or six hours south in Wausau,
Wisconsin, too, and have provided couch/bed/floor space for those
driving to and from that area, if anyone needs it.
>
> Speaking of Dr. Pennington, he is in the following "Motive for Murder"
episode of America Unearthed talking about the ancient Welsh in America.
I don't know if this episode furthers the death nail on the Brandenburg
Stone in KY, which is stated to be an early 1800's hoax according to one
of the H2 investigators....
>
> Below is the free History Channel link as well as one other (which are
never online long...says 'for educational purposes only' ), because I
cannot seem to get this H2 episode. Motive for Murder gives a
provocative account of freemason Merriweather Lewis' (Lewis & Clark)
suicide (or possible murder). Thanks for the reply, Karla.
>
> http://vimeo.com/60091539
>
> or,
>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-motive-for-murder

>
> Susan English -- sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Karla Akins kkakins@...
> > That's my favorite show. I love Scott Wolter. Great guy.
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Susan beldingenglish@... wrote:
> >>
> >> As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving
compansions) drove over to speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient
Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive
resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008.
Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy
style meals and kept things very low cost.
> >>
> >>
> >> For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here
is America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross, from an Arizona setting.
Some here might enjoy the geology. Since tjis link comes va the
Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30 second ads i did not know
how to bypass.
> >>
> >>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-the-desert-cross

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
>





#3372 From: "David S Brody" <DavidSBrody@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:40 am
Subject: M Lewis episode
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I had hoped you would have some insights on this, Rick, thanks!

 

I will add my 2 cents also and say that, as a real estate lawyer, I found the argument that the act of the Welsh making a land claim would somehow invalidate U.S. legal title to the Louisiana Purchase lands to be totally unfounded. It is simply wrong—the treaty signed with the British after the Revolutionary War made clear that our claims vis a vis Britain (including Wales) were valid. Having said that, I do recognize that there may have been political/cultural/religious reasons, especially with the specter of renewed hostilities with the British (the War of 1812) looming, to call into question whether our pioneers were the first Europeans to explore these lands. This climate could have been tied to Lewis’s death. The episode raised some interesting questions, but I thought the answers it supplied to those questions were flawed.

 

Dave Brody

 

 


From: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick O
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:35 PM
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: America unearthed - the Desert Cross

 

 

Scott's "expert" failed him on the research of Coelbren. There are at
least 2 "dark ages" engraved stones using that alphabet. Oddly, one of
them mentions Artorius Rex - a Latinized Brut name written in Colbren.
--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Susan English
wrote:
>
> He spends a lot of time in the summer diving for agates at Copper
Harbor. The weekend of our informal symposium there he was, walking to
his vehicle carrying the largest (two-handed) agate I have seen. I
believe he has a book out about Lake Superior agates. Agate-picking is
a past-time one can spend hours doing on the beach up there.
> If we ever do another 'cheap' AWS resort gathering up in the Copper
Country off-season like we did when Lee Pennington was doing some early,
pre-foliage filming for his Copper Culture video, I will let you and
this group know well ahead. I live five or six hours south in Wausau,
Wisconsin, too, and have provided couch/bed/floor space for those
driving to and from that area, if anyone needs it.
>
> Speaking of Dr. Pennington, he is in the following "Motive for Murder"
episode of America Unearthed talking about the ancient Welsh in America.
I don't know if this episode furthers the death nail on the Brandenburg
Stone in KY, which is stated to be an early 1800's hoax according to one
of the H2 investigators....
>
> Below is the free History Channel link as well as one other (which are
never online long...says 'for educational purposes only' ), because I
cannot seem to get this H2 episode. Motive for Murder gives a
provocative account of freemason Merriweather Lewis' (Lewis & Clark)
suicide (or possible murder). Thanks for the reply, Karla.
>
> http://vimeo.com/60091539
>
> or,
>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-motive-for-murder

>
> Susan English -- sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Karla Akins kkakins@...
> > That's my favorite show. I love Scott Wolter. Great guy.
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Susan beldingenglish@... wrote:
> >>
> >> As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving
compansions) drove over to speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient
Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive
resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008.
Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy
style meals and kept things very low cost.
> >>
> >>
> >> For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here
is America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross, from an Arizona setting.
Some here might enjoy the geology. Since tjis link comes va the
Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30 second ads i did not know
how to bypass.
> >>
> >>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-the-desert-cross

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
>


#3373 From: Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: M Lewis episode
tedsojka
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Good points it is always good to have someone who knows the law.  Still, I had never heard that Merriweather Lewis had committed suicide by shooting himself "twice".  

The fellow who led the expedition up the Red River or Arkansas while Lewis and Clark were going up the Missouri had lots of shady characters working for him and was also accused of high treason.   Maybe Lewis had evidence that were in the missing pages of in his diary.  

Anybody know if Clark wrote anything about the death of Lewis on the Natchez Trace?

ted
On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:40 PM, David S Brody wrote:

 

I had hoped you would have some insights on this, Rick, thanks!

 

I will add my 2 cents also and say that, as a real estate lawyer, I found the argument that the act of the Welsh making a land claim would somehow invalidate U.S. legal title to the Louisiana Purchase lands to be totally unfounded. It is simply wrong—the treaty signed with the British after the Revolutionary War made clear that our claims vis a vis Britain (including Wales) were valid. Having said that, I do recognize that there may have been political/cultural/religious reasons, especially with the specter of renewed hostilities with the British (the War of 1812) looming, to call into question whether our pioneers were the first Europeans to explore these lands. This climate could have been tied to Lewis’s death. The episode raised some interesting questions, but I thought the answers it supplied to those questions were flawed.

 

Dave Brody

 

 


From: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick O
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:35 PM
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: America unearthed - the Desert Cross

 

 

Scott's "expert" failed him on the research of Coelbren. There are at
least 2 "dark ages" engraved stones using that alphabet. Oddly, one of
them mentions Artorius Rex - a Latinized Brut name written in Colbren.
--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Susan English
wrote:
>
> He spends a lot of time in the summer diving for agates at Copper
Harbor. The weekend of our informal symposium there he was, walking to
his vehicle carrying the largest (two-handed) agate I have seen. I
believe he has a book out about Lake Superior agates. Agate-picking is
a past-time one can spend hours doing on the beach up there.
> If we ever do another 'cheap' AWS resort gathering up in the Copper
Country off-season like we did when Lee Pennington was doing some early,
pre-foliage filming for his Copper Culture video, I will let you and
this group know well ahead. I live five or six hours south in Wausau,
Wisconsin, too, and have provided couch/bed/floor space for those
driving to and from that area, if anyone needs it.
>
> Speaking of Dr. Pennington, he is in the following "Motive for Murder"
episode of America Unearthed talking about the ancient Welsh in America.
I don't know if this episode furthers the death nail on the Brandenburg
Stone in KY, which is stated to be an early 1800's hoax according to one
of the H2 investigators....
>
> Below is the free History Channel link as well as one other (which are
never online long...says 'for educational purposes only' ), because I
cannot seem to get this H2 episode. Motive for Murder gives a
provocative account of freemason Merriweather Lewis' (Lewis & Clark)
suicide (or possible murder). Thanks for the reply, Karla.
>
> http://vimeo.com/60091539
>
> or,
>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-motive-for-murder

>
> Susan English -- sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Karla Akins kkakins@...
> > That's my favorite show. I love Scott Wolter. Great guy.
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Susan beldingenglish@... wrote:
> >>
> >> As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving
compansions) drove over to speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient
Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive
resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008.
Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy
style meals and kept things very low cost.
> >>
> >>
> >> For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here
is America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross, from an Arizona setting.
Some here might enjoy the geology. Since tjis link comes va the
Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30 second ads i did not know
how to bypass.
> >>
> >>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-the-desert-cross

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
>




#3374 From: Karla Akins <kkakins@...>
Date: Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: M Lewis episode
karlaakins
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Clark is reported to have written, " “I fear the weight of his mind has overcome him,”
In reading the journals of the expedition, it became clear to me that Lewis was indeed a moody fellow. Still, Natchez Trace at that time was extremely lawless and bandits were notorious, so a murder is certainly not out of the question.





On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Ted Sojka <tedsojka@...> wrote:
 

Good points it is always good to have someone who knows the law.  Still, I had never heard that Merriweather Lewis had committed suicide by shooting himself "twice".  


The fellow who led the expedition up the Red River or Arkansas while Lewis and Clark were going up the Missouri had lots of shady characters working for him and was also accused of high treason.   Maybe Lewis had evidence that were in the missing pages of in his diary.  

Anybody know if Clark wrote anything about the death of Lewis on the Natchez Trace?

ted

On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:40 PM, David S Brody wrote:

 

I had hoped you would have some insights on this, Rick, thanks!

 

I will add my 2 cents also and say that, as a real estate lawyer, I found the argument that the act of the Welsh making a land claim would somehow invalidate U.S. legal title to the Louisiana Purchase lands to be totally unfounded. It is simply wrong—the treaty signed with the British after the Revolutionary War made clear that our claims vis a vis Britain (including Wales) were valid. Having said that, I do recognize that there may have been political/cultural/religious reasons, especially with the specter of renewed hostilities with the British (the War of 1812) looming, to call into question whether our pioneers were the first Europeans to explore these lands. This climate could have been tied to Lewis’s death. The episode raised some interesting questions, but I thought the answers it supplied to those questions were flawed.

 

Dave Brody

 

 


From: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick O
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:35 PM
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] Re: America unearthed - the Desert Cross

 

 

Scott's "expert" failed him on the research of Coelbren. There are at
least 2 "dark ages" engraved stones using that alphabet. Oddly, one of
them mentions Artorius Rex - a Latinized Brut name written in Colbren.
--- In ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com, Susan English
wrote:
>
> He spends a lot of time in the summer diving for agates at Copper
Harbor. The weekend of our informal symposium there he was, walking to
his vehicle carrying the largest (two-handed) agate I have seen. I
believe he has a book out about Lake Superior agates. Agate-picking is
a past-time one can spend hours doing on the beach up there.
> If we ever do another 'cheap' AWS resort gathering up in the Copper
Country off-season like we did when Lee Pennington was doing some early,
pre-foliage filming for his Copper Culture video, I will let you and
this group know well ahead. I live five or six hours south in Wausau,
Wisconsin, too, and have provided couch/bed/floor space for those
driving to and from that area, if anyone needs it.
>
> Speaking of Dr. Pennington, he is in the following "Motive for Murder"
episode of America Unearthed talking about the ancient Welsh in America.
I don't know if this episode furthers the death nail on the Brandenburg
Stone in KY, which is stated to be an early 1800's hoax according to one
of the H2 investigators....
>
> Below is the free History Channel link as well as one other (which are
never online long...says 'for educational purposes only' ), because I
cannot seem to get this H2 episode. Motive for Murder gives a
provocative account of freemason Merriweather Lewis' (Lewis & Clark)
suicide (or possible murder). Thanks for the reply, Karla.
>
> http://vimeo.com/60091539
>
> or,
>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-motive-for-murder

>
> Susan English -- sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Karla Akins kkakins@...
> > That's my favorite show. I love Scott Wolter. Great guy.
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Susan beldingenglish@... wrote:
> >>
> >> As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving
compansions) drove over to speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient
Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive
resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008.
Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy
style meals and kept things very low cost.
> >>
> >>
> >> For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here
is America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross, from an Arizona setting.
Some here might enjoy the geology. Since tjis link comes va the
Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30 second ads i did not know
how to bypass.
> >>
> >>
http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-\
motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-the-desert-cross

> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karla Akins
> >
> >
>






--
Karla Akins


#3365 From: "Jither" <jither@...>
Date: Wed Feb 27, 2013 1:29 am
Subject: RE: America unearthed - the Desert Cross
jkehoe226
Send Email Send Email
 

Very thoughtful of you, thanks.   How nice that you put together that conference.  Didn’t I see Scott Wolter on some TV thing about the Kensington Stone?

 

 

From: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Susan
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 4:56 PM
To: ancient_waterways_society@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_waterways_society] America unearthed - the Desert Cross

 

 

As some of you who were there may recall, Scott Wolter (and diving compansions) drove  over to  speak two evemimgs in a row at an Ancient Waterways Society 3 or 4 night gathering I set up at an inexpensive resort (cabins) on Lake Superior near  Copper Harbor, Michigan in 2008. Seven or eight others from tis group also gave talks, we cooked famiy style meals and kept things very low cost. 

 

For those, as I, who do not subscribe to H2/ Histiry Channel2, here  is  America Unearthed,-The Desert Cross,   from an Arizona setting.  Some  here might enjoy the geology.  Since tjis link comes va the Histiry Channel, free, it contains a few 30  second ads i did not know how to bypass. 

 

 http://www.history.com/shows/america-unearthed/videos/america-unearthed-motive-for-murder#america-unearthed-the-desert-cross

 

 

 


 
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