Search the web
Sign In
New User? Sign Up
ap-ug · Astro-Physics User's Group
? Already a member? Sign in to Yahoo!

Yahoo! Groups Tips

Did you know...
Show off your group to the world. Share a photo of your group with us.

Best of Y! Groups

   Check them out and nominate your group.
Having problems with message search? Fill out this form to ensure your group is one of the first to be migrated to the new message search system.

Messages

  Messages Help
Advanced
New toy from Roland   Message List  
Reply | Forward Message #39658 of 48267 |
quote from another group this morning>

There are actually other ways to make a high quality zero color
optical
system, one of which I will present at NEAF next week in a talk. It is
based on the Schupmann design. This system was first proposed in 1898
by Ludwig Schupmann as the answer to the problem of chromatic
aberration in refractive optical systems. Variations of the Schupman
by
Klaas Honders include Newtonians and Cassegrains which have unique
properties such as zero color, and corrected for all 5 Sidel
aberrations. This means they are able to cover huge fields without
field curvature, coma, astigmatism, spherical aberration, distortion,
or longitudinal and lateral chromatic aberrations. In effect, they are
totally diffraction limited over large fields. They can be made with
focal ratios from F2 to F20 in short tubes, and utilize only common
BK7
glass in their corrector and primary mirror.

New designs by Riccardi and Honders are so unique that I believe they
will revolutionize the world of imaging and perhaps also visual
astronomy. Are they refractors? Well yes, they do have a main
refractive element up front. Are they mirror scopes? Well yes, since
they also have a mirror similar to a Cassegrain some distance down the
tube, however, this mirror is actually a refractive element where the
light is bent by refraction as well as reflection. A Honders variation
of the Schupmann can be thought of as a Taylor Triplet lens, but the
center negative flint element is replaced by a negative meniscus with
back surface mirrored. As such it has all the properties of a Taylor
Triplet (wide flat coma-free field) but none of the chromatic
aberration.

If this all sounds too complicated, come to NEAF and see what is in
store for the future.

Rolando





Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:37 pm

eddwen2001
Offline Offline
Send Email Send Email

Forward
Message #39658 of 48267 |
Expand Messages Author Sort by Date

quote from another group this morning> There are actually other ways to make a high quality zero color optical system, one of which I will present at NEAF next...
eddwen2001
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
2:37 pm

WOW! This is sure interesting. But are they easier to produce than a Mak? an AP160? Kurt ... ...
Kurt Friedrich
kurt_friedrich
Online Now Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
3:50 pm

Can something like this be easily made in large apertures and be a stablemate for the AP3600? Greg ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Patrice Nottingham
gregnott2000
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
4:19 pm

In a message dated 4/16/2008 10:50:53 AM Central Daylight Time, ... I won't know until I try. :^)) Rolando ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and...
chris1011@...
uncarollo2
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
5:04 pm

... Given that people will pay lots for your scopes, it always seemed to me that the limiting factor was your personal time hand figuring. So if the new design...
Kurt Friedrich
kurt_friedrich
Online Now Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
5:27 pm

In a message dated 4/16/2008 12:27:33 PM Central Daylight Time, ... These Honders designs use simple crown glass (BK7) which is very good material and very...
chris1011@...
uncarollo2
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
5:58 pm

I'm willing to wager Roland has already made a prototype version. Remember this from back in November? Quote> ......By the way, Tony told me yesterday that...
eddwen2001
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
7:49 pm

Absolutely, hence my comment about a 3600 stablemate! It will be interesting to see a new product and a new design. Greg ... [Non-text portions of this...
Patrice Nottingham
gregnott2000
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
8:18 pm

... that ... Well, when I was a kid if we wanted to look at the moon we looked through a stack of expensive, finicky pieces of special glass.. and we loved it!...
Mike C
tmb_mike
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
7:58 pm

... are spherical, so ... form they can be ... commercialize them. ... possibilities that ... optical ... Massimo Riccardi to ... About 15 yesrs ago we, at the...
Valery Deryuzhin
ntvru
Offline Send Email
Apr 19, 2008
12:12 pm

In a message dated 4/16/2008 2:58:37 PM Central Daylight Time, ... I'm talking about manufacturing! Making stuff again here in the US!! By young people. ...
chris1011@...
uncarollo2
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
8:09 pm

Ok, I have no idea what exactly it will be, but can I get on the list now so I might possibly get one before I get too old to use it?? :) ... From:...
Dean S
searay90350
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
8:33 pm

I've been poking around finding info on the Schupmann. For those of us who enjoyed "The Amateur Scientist" in Scientific American might enjoy this column from...
eddwen2001
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
10:11 pm

Edd, By a strange coincidence this particular design came up for discussion on a local board here in Greece. Some of the links posted include the following: ...
ayiomamitis
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
10:26 pm

Jay Pasachoff included a few high resolution photos of spicules taken through the Swedish Solar Telescope at a talk here last night. Amazing resolution. Clear...
Alan French
alandfrench
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
10:50 pm

What was the capacity of the AP3600? LOL! Anthony. ... board...
ayiomamitis
Offline Send Email
Apr 16, 2008
10:58 pm

Maybe AP should set up a "lottery" subscription service, automatic sign-up on any major AP product! ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
Patrice Nottingham
gregnott2000
Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
4:32 am

In any case, for the record, please add me to the list! Kurt F ... (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) ... ...
Kurt Friedrich
kurt_friedrich
Online Now Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
5:34 am

... Roland, For those of us unable to attend, will you have a slideset you can share? I'm sure I speak for the entire civilized world when I say it would be...
elraeburn
Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
7:20 am

A search for "Klaas Honders" will turn up a number of articles on the design. One is http://starizona.com/acb/articles/article_opt_designs.pdf It looks like...
Alan French
alandfrench
Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
1:06 pm

Yes, there is also a follow up paper by Blakely in May 2007 which better describes the Honders-Riccardi version. Apparently Honders was applying for a patent...
eddwen2001
Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
2:37 pm

Anthony, if you can pull some strings at A-P and arrange for me to get one of these 24" Schupmanns, I'll sell your friend my 155 w. 4" flattener ;-)...
eddwen2001
Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
2:41 pm

... But then what will you use for a finderscope? :-) Anthony....
ayiomamitis
Offline Send Email
Apr 17, 2008
2:44 pm

In a message dated 4/17/2008 2:20:10 AM Central Daylight Time, ... I can post some of this in the files section. Rolando ************** Need a new ride? Check...
chris1011@...
uncarollo2
Offline Send Email
Apr 18, 2008
5:34 pm

... Rolando, ... Please do so! If there is a problem with space, please send the material to me and I will be happy to make it available for download from my...
ayiomamitis
Offline Send Email
Apr 18, 2008
5:40 pm

... Rolando, ... You can post *** SOME *** of this in the files section? Is there a reason that you would not post the whole thing? ;-) ;-) ;-) Perhaps the AP...
ayiomamitis
Offline Send Email
Apr 18, 2008
6:39 pm

... Great. Thank you. -Eric...
elraeburn
Offline Send Email
Apr 22, 2008
9:19 am

In a message dated 4/18/2008 1:40:07 PM Central Daylight Time, ... The talk will be mainly focused on how a high performance optical system is designed. It...
chris1011@...
uncarollo2
Offline Send Email
Apr 18, 2008
6:55 pm

Roland: Perhaps a reading list ? Larry...
Lawrence D. Lopez
lawrence_d_l...
Offline Send Email
Apr 19, 2008
12:30 pm
Advanced

Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Guidelines - Help