Carol Ann,
Yes they should be certified if for no other reason then credibility with the
students.  If I were teaching I'd want the cert just to be able to say I'd
done it.  Plus it's what? $215? I don't think they are required to have it,
not like anyone is regulating such things but I think they should have it.
Jackie

Melanie,

I used Exam Prep and Mark Minasi's Upgrading and Fixing Computers.

Read the Minasi book first then the Exam Prep book.

Hi!

Does anyone here have any books they'd like to reccommend to study at home for
A+ certification? Unfortunately the books I have are all geared towards the
old test, will these suffice or is it important to get new material? Any other
advice anyone has to offer would be very much appreciated. :)

Thanks!
Melanie

Melanie Klegerman's Art & Design
http://members.aol.com/melaniek73
Fantasy Art & More!

Hello,
I need to get a clear answer:
FOr an instructor to TEACH an A+ class, what are the requirements? Should
not the teacher be certified by A+ ?? I want answers please

Carol Ann Carey
http://members.tripod.com/~CanadianDogsRescue/home.html
ICQ: 21095544
------------------------------------------------------------
Fear knocked at the door. Faith answered and no one was there.
------------------------------------------------------------

Contact www.amazon.com or Barnes and Noble. These two have the largest
resources for Mac architecture and repair. Who knows, they may have a
special on exactly what you are looking for.





-----Original Message-----
From: Xuwhhs@... <Xuwhhs@...>
To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 7:12 PM
Subject: [aplus] Macintosh Hardware


>From: Xuwhhs@...
>
>I realize that CompTIA no longer certifies technicians for the Macintosh,
but
>I would still like to learn more about the inner workings of the Mac.  What
>book(s) or online resource(s) are good for studying Mac architecture and
>repair?
>
>Thank you for your input,
>
>B.Mueller
>
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>

---wolverine <hewlett@...> wrote:
>
> From: "wolverine" <hewlett@...>
>
> you dont even need certified instructors, just take the 2 tests and
you're
> in

Just take them?
Not pass them?


Burt

Did anyone else receive a file to download from Mark Johnson?

I don't like to download files unless I know what is in it and the person who
sent it.

Hi Carol Ann,

I'm currently enrolled at a technical school in a course called "Computer
Operations Technology".  We will be prepared after 18 months of 4 hours a
day 5 days a week for our A+ certification tests.  The instructor is not
certified but has years of practical experience.  His aid is certified and
doesn't have even a small percentage of the instructors knowledge.  So I
guess the long and the short of it is, it all depends.  I would be happy to
share my class work and learning and I'm sure we could both benefit.

John

you dont even need certified instructors, just take the 2 tests and you're
in

-----Original Message-----
From: CAC <luvdals@...>
To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 10:46 AM
Subject: [aplus] Re: (no subject)


>From: "CAC" <luvdals@...>
>
>Hi, To teach an A+ certification class, one must have an A+ instructor
>certificate. Is that correct?
>Please clarify
>Thanks,
>Carol Ann
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
>To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
>Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 6:59 PM
>Subject: [aplus] Re: (no subject)
>
>
>>From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
>>
>>---CAC <luvdals@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> and I will be taking an A+ class soon but I have concerns about the
>>instructor. DOes the instructor have to have any certification to
>>teach A plus? Is there a way I could verify the instructor's
>>qualifications?
>>
>>He most be certified. Contact www.comptia.org.
>>Ask to see his certificate.
>>
>>Burt, I am A+ certified.
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>
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---wolverine <hewlett@...> wrote:
>
> No, an instructor does not need to be certified.

Who would be so stupid to take a course from someone who is
not certified?

Burt

I realize that CompTIA no longer certifies technicians for the Macintosh, but
I would still like to learn more about the inner workings of the Mac.  What
book(s) or online resource(s) are good for studying Mac architecture and
repair?

Thank you for your input,

B.Mueller

Dear Carol: I don't believe CompTIA sanctions educational institutions (?), but
I would have to wonder about the institution that hires a Non-Certified
instructor to teach any Certification class.

----------
From:  CAC[SMTP:luvdals@...]
Sent:  Monday, November 09, 1998 7:30 PM
To:  aplus@onelist.com
Subject:  [aplus] Re: (no subject)

From: "CAC" <luvdals@...>

Hi, To teach an A+ certification class, one must have an A+ instructor
certificate. Is that correct?
Please clarify
Thanks,
Carol Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 6:59 PM
Subject: [aplus] Re: (no subject)


>From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
>
>---CAC <luvdals@...> wrote:
>>
>> and I will be taking an A+ class soon but I have concerns about the
>instructor. DOes the instructor have to have any certification to
>teach A plus? Is there a way I could verify the instructor's
>qualifications?
>
>He most be certified. Contact www.comptia.org.
>Ask to see his certificate.
>
>Burt, I am A+ certified.
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
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No, an instructor does not need to be certified. In fact, you don't need an
instructor at all (unless you feel you need one). All you have to do is pass two
tests and you are certified. There are plenty of fine books and instructional
kits available. Check out your local computer super store to find all that you
need. But if you feel you need an instructor a course may get you across the
hump. Presently I am attending Infotec and they offer pretests for the course. I
also have Forefront's A+ course and a big thick book on the subject. I intend to
use them all. But that's my preference. Later
     -----Original Message-----
     From: CAC <luvdals@...>
     To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
     Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 1:44 PM
     Subject: [aplus] (no subject)


     Hello!! My name is
     Carol Ann Carey
     http://members.tripod.com/~CanadianDogsRescue/home.html
     ------------------------------------------------------------
     Fate shuffles the cards and we play with them.
     ------------------------------------------------------------

     and I will be taking an A+ class soon but I have concerns about the
instructor. DOes the instructor have to have any certification to teach A plus?
Is there a way I could verify the instructor's qualifications?
     Thanks,
     Carol Ann
     I look forward to learning from this site.

Hi, To teach an A+ certification class, one must have an A+ instructor
certificate. Is that correct?
Please clarify
Thanks,
Carol Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 6:59 PM
Subject: [aplus] Re: (no subject)


>From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
>
>---CAC <luvdals@...> wrote:
>>
>> and I will be taking an A+ class soon but I have concerns about the
>instructor. DOes the instructor have to have any certification to
>teach A plus? Is there a way I could verify the instructor's
>qualifications?
>
>He most be certified. Contact www.comptia.org.
>Ask to see his certificate.
>
>Burt, I am A+ certified.
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---CAC <luvdals@...> wrote:
>
> and I will be taking an A+ class soon but I have concerns about the
instructor. DOes the instructor have to have any certification to
teach A plus? Is there a way I could verify the instructor's
qualifications?

He most be certified. Contact www.comptia.org.
Ask to see his certificate.

Burt, I am A+ certified.

Hello!! My name is
Carol Ann Carey
http://members.tripod.com/~CanadianDogsRescue/home.html
------------------------------------------------------------
Fate shuffles the cards and we play with them.
------------------------------------------------------------

and I will be taking an A+ class soon but I have concerns about the instructor.
DOes the instructor have to have any certification to teach A plus? Is there a
way I could verify the instructor's qualifications?
Thanks,
Carol Ann
I look forward to learning from this site.

I just wanted to take the time to introduce myself to the others users
of this list.  I am a first semester CTS student in a nine month program
that culminates with A+ and Novell Certifications.  I am far from a
computer genius but am starting to learn more each day.  I am wondering
what I can expect as far as a job market, examination and their
difficulty levels, what to ignore, what to absorb more than others.....
Thanks for reading this and i hope this list provides me with info that
helps me get through this program successfully.
thanks for your time, m

---Rick Tyrell <baggio@...> wrote:
>
> From: "Rick Tyrell" <baggio@...>
>
> I know that it was not present on the old A+ exam
(I passed both sections
> about a year ago)

I took the test on Tuesday and passed and there was
nothing on the OSI model. It takes too much effort to
learn it anyway and no one uses it as far as I know.
I made extensive notes on the exam.


Burt Fisher
A+ Certified     Teacher of video, broadcasting and
electronics
Amateur call     How do you spell "gun owner?" (ICE
HOLE)
K1OIK            How do you spell "smoker?" (PIG)
Cape Cod         Bacteria-the only culture hams have.

                            burt@...
                http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/5169

Sorry about my last message regarding the OSI model.  I sent it in HTML
format.  Please let me know if anyone needs it without any formatting.

Thanks

Rick Tyrell
Bunting Magnetics
www2.southwind.net/~baggio
baggio@...

I know that it was not present on the old A+ exam (I passed both sections
about a year ago), my brother recently took the Core section and I don't
believe he ran across any questions regarding the OSI model.  It might
appear on the DOS/ Windows elective though.  I had to study it for the
Networking Essentials exam for the MCSE and here is how I remebered it, just
in case it does pop up :


Protocols                            Devices                        Purpose

All                  Application                            SMB, NCP
Gateway            Allows apps to use the network
People          Presentation                          NCP
Gateway            The redirector opperates here : protocol conversion
Seem            Session                                 -------------
Gateway            Establishes a session btwn apps
To                  Transport                               TCP,SPX,NWlink,
NetBeui  Gateway           Packet handling
Need             Network                                 IP,IPX,NetBeui,DLC
Router,Brouter   Translates names into addresses, routing
Data              Data - Link                            -------------
Brouter,Bridge   Sends data from net layer to phys. layer
Processing   Physical                                -------------
Repeater, MUX  Transmits data over phyisical medium


Hope this helps, good luck!


-----Original Message-----
From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
To: aplus@onelist.com <aplus@onelist.com>
Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 10:42 PM
Subject: [aplus] OSI Model?


>From: Burt Fisher <burt@...>
>
>Is there anything on the OSI model on the A+ test?
>
>
>Burt Fisher      Teacher of video, broadcasting and
>electronics
>Amateur call     How do you spell "gun owner?" (ICE
>HOLE)
>K1OIK            How do you spell "smoker?" (PIG)
>Cape Cod         Bacteria-the only culture hams have.
>
>                           burt@...
>               http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/5169
>
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Is there anything on the OSI model on the A+ test?


Burt Fisher      Teacher of video, broadcasting and
electronics
Amateur call     How do you spell "gun owner?" (ICE
HOLE)
K1OIK            How do you spell "smoker?" (PIG)
Cape Cod         Bacteria-the only culture hams have.

                            burt@...
                http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/5169

First, here is the answer to Thursday's question.

APLUS Mailing List  Question 2
--------------------------------------------------

What four voltages does a power supply produce?

(Choose the best answer)

A) +3V, -3V, +12V, and -12V DC
B) +5V, -5V, +12V, and -12V DC
C) +5V, -5V, +12V, and -12V AC
D) +3V, +5V, +12V, and -12V DC

Answer:  B) +5V, -5V, +12V, -12V DC


Sources:
-----------
Books:
A+ Certification Concepts & Practice pg. 1-12
Upgrading and Repairing PCs 5th ed. Que c.1995 by Scott Mueller.


Congratulations to Alan B., Jason  Palmer, Rick Bowles, and Peter
Craven-Griffiths
  who all replied with the correct answer.

Thank you to mswirid for the second book reference.
I'm sure the answer can also be found on the web. I just didn't have
time to search for it.
Maybe for the archive I will have time to find it.


      And now for today's question...


APLUS Mailing List    Question 3
--------------------------------------------------

What is the main IC of the system board ?

A) CPU
B)  MPU
C) VLSI
D) PGA

---------------------------------------------------------
Other stuff
---------------------------------------------------------
Some things to come in the future.
An APLUS page with an archive and pages with the questions and answers.
An book list of A+ releated books with links to Amazon.com to purchase
them.
(Or another book seller if Amazon can't get the book. )

Please feel free to reply with suggestions.

Sincerly,

List Moderator
Dale Sutherland  MCP, CNA
<dsutherland@...>

First, here is the answer to Monday's question.

APLUS Mailing List    Question 1
--------------------------------------------------

The BIOS software (programming) and hardware (ROM Chip) together are
referred to as..

A) Basic Input/Output System
B) Operating System
C) Firmware
D) Operating System Software

Answer:  C) Firmware

Sources:
-----------
Book: A+ Certification Concepts & Practice pg. 1-16   (by Charles Books)
http://www.zdwebopedia.com/firmware.htm
http://www.pcwebopaedia.com/firmware.htm

Congratulations to both Martin D and mswirid who replied with the
correct answer.

And now for today's question...

APLUS Mailing List    Question 2
--------------------------------------------------

What four voltages does a power supply produce ?

(Choose the best answer)

A) +3V, -3V, +12V, and -12V DC
B) +5V, -5V, +12V, and -12V DC
C) +5V, -5V, +12V, and -12V AC
D) +3V, +5V, +12V, and -12V DC


Good luck,

Dale Sutherland <dsutherland@...>
List Moderator

APLUS Mailing List    Question 1
--------------------------------------------------

The BIOS software (programming) and hardware (ROM Chip) together are
referred to as..

(Choose the BEST answer)

A) Basic Input/Output System
B) Operating System
C) Firmware
D) Operating System Software

--------------------------------------------------

Good Luck, if you think you know the correct answer please send an
e-mail to dsutherland@.... Please include a reference to where
you found the answer. Everyone who gets the correct answer will receive
credit for it in the answer I send on Thursday.

Also, feel free to make comments and ask questions at any time.

Dale Sutherland
List Moderator
APLUS Mailing List (aplus@onelist.com)

Hi everyone, I was going to start sending out questions today, but I
found new information about the new test.

Here is an outline of what the new test covers. More detailed
information can be looked up at www.comptia.org. The are also sample
questions on the comptia site.

I will start sending questions on Monday. Some people mentioned they
would like to see questions everyday. I would like to do this but I
don't have the time. I currently work 50 to 60 hours a week and have a
family (wife and two daughters). I also would like to research the
answers back to multiple references to be accurate.

If anyone who doesn't have access to a browser would like more detailed
information just send me an email at:
dsutherland@...

The complete information is too large to send the list. So here is the
outline...


--------------------------
Core Test Information
--------------------------

% of Examination (approximately)
30% 1.0 Installation, Configuration, and Upgrading
20% 2.0 Diagnosing and Troubleshooting
10% 3.0 Safety and Preventive Maintenance
10% 4.0 Motherboard/Processors/Memory
10% 5.0 Printers
  5% 6.0 Portable Systems
  5% 7.0 Basic Networking
10%*8.0 Customer Satisfaction *

* Note: The Customer Satisfaction domain will be scored but will not
impact final pass/fail score on the A+ Core examination.
--------------------------
Domain 1.0 Installation, Configuration, and Upgrading
--------------------------
1.1 Identify basic terms, concepts, and functions of system modules,
including how each module should work during normal operation.
1.2 Identify basic procedures for adding and removing field replaceable
modules.
1.3 Identify available IRQs, DMAs, and I/O addresses and procedures for
configuring them for device installation.
1.4 Identify common peripheral ports, associated cabling, and their
connectors.
1.5 Identify proper procedures for installing and configuring IDE/EIDE
devices.
1.6 Identify proper procedures for installing and configuring SCSI
devices.
1.7 Identify proper procedures for installing and configuring peripheral
devices.
1.8 Identify concepts and procedures relating to BIOS.
1.9 Identify hardware methods of system optimization and when to use
them.
--------------------------
Domain 2.0 Diagnosing and Troubleshooting
--------------------------
2.1 Identify common symptoms and problems associated with each module
and how to troubleshoot and isolate the problems.
2.2 Identify basic troubleshooting procedures and good practices for
eliciting problem symptoms from customers.
--------------------------
Domain 3.0 Safety and Preventive Maintenance
--------------------------
3.1 Identify the purpose of various types of preventive maintenance
products and procedures and when to use/perform them.
3.2 Identify procedures and devices for protecting against environmental
hazards.
3.3 Identify the potential hazards and proper safety procedures relating
to lasers and high-voltage equipment.
3.4 Identify items that require special disposal procedures that comply
with environmental guidelines.
3.5 Identify ESD (Electrostatic Discharge) precautions and procedures,
including the use of ESD protection devices.
--------------------------
Domain 4.0 Motherboard/Processors/Memory
--------------------------
4.1 Distinguish between the popular CPU chips in terms of their basic
characteristics.
4.2 Identify the categories of RAM (Random Access Memory) terminology,
their locations, and physical characteristics.
4.3 Identify the most popular type of motherboards, their components,
and their architecture (for example, bus structures and power supplies).
4.4 Identify the purpose of CMOS (Complementary Metal-Oxide
Semiconductor), what it contains and how to change its basic parameters.
--------------------------
Domain 5.0 Printers
--------------------------
5.1 Identify basic concepts, printer operations and printer components.
5.2 Identify care and service techniques and common problems with
primary printer types.
5.3 Identify the types of printer connections and configurations.
--------------------------
Domain 6.0 Portable Systems
--------------------------
6.1 Identify the unique components of portable systems and their unique
problems.
--------------------------
Domain 7.0 Basic Networking
--------------------------
7.1 Identify basic networking concepts, including how a network works.
7.2 Identify procedures for swapping and configuring network interface
cards.
7.3 Identify the ramifications of repairs on the network.
--------------------------
Domain 8.0 Customer Satisfaction
--------------------------
8.1 Differentiate effective from ineffective behaviors as these
contribute to the maintenance or achievement of customer satisfaction.
--------------------------

--------------------------
DOS/WIN test
--------------------------
% of Examination (approximately)

30%   1.0 Function, Structure, Operation, and File Management
10%   2.0 Memory Management
30%   3.0 Installation, Configuration and Upgrading
20%   4.0 Diagnosing and Troubleshooting
10%   5.0  Networks
--------------------------
--------------------------
Domain 1.0 Function, Structure Operation and File Management
--------------------------
1.1 Identify the operating system functions, structure, and major system
files.
1.2 Identify ways to navigate the operating system and how to get to
needed technical information.
1.3  Identify basic concepts and procedures for creating, viewing and
managing files and directories
1.4  Identify the procedures for basic disk management.
--------------------------
  Domain 2.0 Memory Management
--------------------------
2.1  Differentiate between types of memory.
2.2  Identify typical memory conflict problems and how to optimize
memory use.
--------------------------
  Domain 3.0 Installation, Configuration and Upgrading
--------------------------
3.1  Identify the procedures for installing DOS, Windows 3.x, and
Windows 95, and for bringing the software to a basic operational level.
3.2 Identify steps to perform an operating system upgrade.
3.3 Identify the basic system boot sequences, and alternative ways to
boot the system software
3.4 Identify procedures for loading/adding device drivers and the
necessary software for certain devices.
3.5   Identify the procedures for changing options, configuring, and
using the Windows printing subsystem.
3.6  Identify the procedures for installing and launching typical
Windows and non-Windows applications.
--------------------------
  Domain 4.0 Diagnosing and Troubleshooting
--------------------------
4.1  Recognize and interpret the meaning of common error codes and
startup messages from the boot sequence, and identify steps to correct
the problems.
4.2  Recognize Windows-specific printing problems and identify the
procedures for correcting them. 
4.3  Recognize common problems and determine how to resolve them.
4.4 Identify concepts relating to viruses and virus types  their danger,
their symptoms, sources of viruses, how they infect, how to protect
against them, and how to identify and remove them.
--------------------------
  Domain 5.0 Networks
--------------------------
5.1 Identify the networking capabilities of DOS and Windows including
procedures for connecting to the network.
5.2  Identify concepts and capabilities relating to the Internet and
basic procedures for setting up a system for Internet access.
--------------------------

Again for more info. goto http://www.comptia.org/ct_aplus/

Have a great day!

Dale Sutherland  (dsutherland@...)
List Moderator

I am thinking of adding sample test questions to the list. I would try
to make them like actual test question for the new test. Only covering
the DOS and Hardware topics, as I'm not familiar with MAC. If anyone
with a good grasp of Macintosh knowledge would like to send me

KEN --

I am using the wave technologies study material and prior to that had no
experience whatsoever that might lend to the assumption that i knew what i was
doing on a computer.  I have been studying for 6 months and have taken each of
the A+ tests twice, only passing the DOS/Windows module thus far...I found
that the wave books were incomplete and that about 7 questions in the hardware
section were not covered in the material.  that is what i found.  i am not
bagging on the material because if i knew it ALL, those 7 questions wouldn't
have made that big of a difference. = )  a little tip about the practice
exams...they are nice to you...the real test uses difficult wording.

Curtis

Three questions.

!) I am interested in buying one of the A+ software packages to start
studying to take the test. I am currently looking at Forefront and Wave
Technologies. Which is better? Any other suggestions?

2) How long does it take to go through these courses?

3) I am pretty familiar with PCs but by no means know enough to take the A+
test. Are these courses for beginners?

Thats all for now. Will probably have more later.

THANKS!!
Ken Wales
kwales@...

well, today i took both the DOS/Windows and the Hardware portions of the
test...as most of you probably know, you need 69% on the DOS/Windows part and
72% on the Hardware...well, i got 69% on the DOS/Windows part and 70% on the
Hardware.  i missed it by 2 measly points, but i'm retaking it on saturday
morning...i am using the study materials distributed by Wave Inc.; that's what
they use at New Horizons Computer Learning Center in Wichita, KS...I am also
studying Novell, so if anyone has any recommendations on that, feel free to
enlighten me.  = )  i have already flunked the CNA test once, so i am familiar
with that too. (today was the 2nd time i had taken the two for A+. = )
anyway, i had better go now...take care. = )

curtis.

Hi Curtis,

I just finished a college course covering the A + certification. The
book we used was "A+ Certification Concepts & Practice" by Charles
Brooks. I haven't heard back from anyone in the class who has taken the
test yet.

Remember, if you pass one of the tests you need to take the other one by
July 30 as the test is changing on July 31. Otherwise you must retake it
and pass both of the new test.

I'm waiting to take the new test as I'm studing for Novell exams right
now.

Please let us know how you do and what you material you used to study
for the test.

Good Luck,

:-) Dale


>i am new to the list...my name is curtis baxter, and i am taking my >test on
>thursday, at 2:45 central time...if anyone has any tips or things to
>emphasize, please drop me a line. = )  thank you.
>
>curtis