Hi Randolf,

If you are going to claim you have done hours and hours of research, you might
want to get your facts straight. Did you know that the SSTV came from three
independant tracking stations? Did you also discover in your research that TV
audiences in Australia received a direct feed from Honeysuckle (via Sydney
video)? Did you uncover the fact that the scan converter settings were properly
set for Australian audiences, meaning they saw Armstrong on the ladder from the
second the TV was turned on?

Did you know that the scan converted signal was not as simple as pointing a
camera at a screen? Did you happen to read up on the video disk technology which
was used in conjunction with the camera output? Were you also aware that the
hybrid optical/disk system was the only feasible system which could be used to
convert the signal. Did you know that until the early 1980's NTSC -> PAL
conversions also used this conversion technique?

It would appear that you have been consumed by the emotional attachment to want
this to be faked. So much so that you have neglected to check up on the cold
hard unemotive facts.

--- In apollo-hoax@yahoogroups.com, randolph miller <randolph_miller@...> wrote:
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> I haven't sought not one penny in profit from investigating a possible fake. 
My belief in a hoax stems from doing countless hours of research to PROVE the
landing, without submitting to the status quo of history books and grainy, 2nd
generation TV coverage as my flimsy "proof" (You do know that the all the
footage shown on TV was actually a camera shooting off of a monitor, NASA didn't
allow straight, live feeds of the landings for good reason)  Simply put, the
evidence for a fake is too strong to ignore.  Every single fact PAN's and NASA
put forth as concrete evidence of a lunar landing can be debunked.  From laser
reflectors to moon rocks, these items along with a host of others are
debunk-able.  A simple fact remains, some 40 years after the landings we are
still only capable of low earth orbit.  If you want to cry that someone is
trying to take away your "Santa Claus", go ahead.  Emotion will ruin any
investigation and if you're emotionally
> involved, you are in no position to debate this subject.  And I assure you,
there is not one ounce of malicious intent on this end.
>  
> Thanks.
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> --- On Mon, 1/12/09, Martin Sladdin <msladdin@...> wrote:
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> From: Martin Sladdin <msladdin@...>
> Subject: [apollo-hoax] Re: Moon Rising - the Movie
> To: apollo-hoax@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 4:52 PM
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> I am old enough to remember the lunar landings and they were awesome
> events we could all witness by the live tv broadcasts. Many of the
> hoax believers are out to make money so their motives are clear;
> others, the consumers, are mis-informed.
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> A common tactic in their arguments is "if is a then it must be b".
> Thus, no one has attempted to send someone to the moon since Apollo,
> thus they must have been fake. The obvious flaw, ironically, involves
> the very thing the hoax industry runs off - money. After all there has
> only one commercially operational supersonic aircraft - does that mean
> Concorde was a fake? No it is just too damned expensive to build and
> run another one so we will just have to make do with subsonic 'planes.
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> It is a shame that people try to destroy what is undoubtedly one of
> human kind's finest achievements. Since it was America's achievement
> then the USA should definitely hold its head up high even after nearly
> 40 years. I say this purely objectively, since I have no connection
> with the USA or its Government (another favourite among the hoax
> believers - we are all stooges!).
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> I also think Apollo was the high water mark for public opinion in
> science and technology. Since then we have had a trickle, followed by
> a flood of anti-science where all sorts of irrational theories:
> alternate this, voodoo that and feng shui the other have become the
> vogue.
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> Martin.
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> --- In apollo-hoax@ yahoogroups. com, Ron pack <Ronpack@ > wrote:
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> > You know, it's amazing. I was born in 72 and when I read about
> people shedding tears all over Earth when we finally went to the moon,
> I can only put myself in their shoes. And to think that there are
> people on this planet that are trying to take that away from all of
> us. I truly hope these people doing this believe that humans never
> went to the moon because if they are just lying out of hatred for
> whatever reasons they have, then I don't know what to say. But I will
> say this. I will keep an open mind. If we do happen to find any kind
> of alien technology on the moon or any object in this solar system, it
> won't surprise me. But in the past 36 years of my life, I have not
> seen ONE bit of proof. I've seen strange things in the sky that could
> easily be meteors and weather phenomena. And if there is anything I
> truly despise, it's seeing someone who claims to have video or
> photographs of alien phenomena and trying to sell DVD's or books! They
> are nothing but SCAM ARTISTS!!!!
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> > To: apollo-hoax@ ...: phantomsteve2001@ ...: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 10:43:21
> +0000Subject: [apollo-hoax] Re: Moon Rising - the Movie
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> > The video played with no problem for me too.It is amazing to think
> that people will be paying money to see a piece of fiction that some
> of them will believe to be fact!It amazes me that people make the daft
> claims that "prove" that the landings didn't exist.As Larry Turoski
> wrote in the ProjectApollo Yahoo group:> Well, when somebody asks me
> to prove we went to the moon, I say "I have> proof. I have 840 pounds
> of physical evidence, tens of thousands of> photographs, and
> eyewitness testimony. I also have tons of indirect proof> (tracking,
> visual observation of a Saturn launch, etc.) and almost an> infinite
> amount of circumstantial evidence. Let's see your proof that we>
> didn't."A few other thoughts I've had (and apologies if I've said them
> before, or others have)...- if the US managed to fake it in the 60s
> and 70s, why haven't they faked further journeys to the moon...
> especially as technology has improved, surely it should be even
> easier?- if it was faked so convincingly, why has no other country
> faked it since... some of the other countries must have been "in on
> it", as they would have tracked the sound signals, and realised they
> weren't from the moon!- on a similar track, why didn't any of the
> other countries point out the hoax, as they would have known the
> signals weren't coming from the moon?- with modern technology (and so
> many millions who believe it was a hoax, according to the people
> trying to flog their books, DVDs, movies etc), then surely they could
> afford and be capable of faking the landings themselves.. . they can
> then produce a DVD with the footage aired from the moon, then their
> behind-the-scenes extras showing how they faked it. Hell, if the
> Americans could do it 40 years ago, it should be easy for modern
> people to replicate it!- as I have just said to my partner (she
> doesn't need convincing, as she knows the moon landings happened!), in
> the movie, has the "insider(s)" who have admitted it being a hoax been
> identified? Have they stood up for press and academic scrutiny? Or are
> they anonymous? if that's the case, I should point out that I have an
> anonymous person who knows where Jimmy Hoffa has been living since
> 1975, he's almost 95 now. Oh, I can't tell you where he is, who my
> source is... but you've got to believe me!Oh, and by the way, Happy
> New Year everyone!Steve- -- In apollo-hoax@ yahoogroups. com, "Martin
> Sladdin" <msladdin@> wrote:>> Yeah, I tried again and the Youtube
> video played without a problem -> what a laugh. It'll be interesting
> to see who's occupying the VIP seats.> > Martin.> > --- In
> apollo-hoax@ yahoogroups. com, "ronvatar" <Ronpack@> wrote:> >> > lol. I
> didn't have a problem seeing the youtube video and I got a > > good
> laugh watching it. I find it amazing that people are gonna pay > > to
> see this film and make this hoaxer get rich. If there are bases on > >
> the moon, all these probes being sent by other countries would've > >
> found out something. So that would mean the whole world is covering >
> > it up? What a joke!> > > > --- In apollo-hoax@ yahoogroups. com,
> "Martin Sladdin" <msladdin@> > > wrote:> > >> > > For me the You Tube
> clip didn't play properly - possibly a result of> > > unprecedented
> interest in the film, or government sabotage? The> > > official site
> said very little save for some last minute editing> > > because a
> contributor had "received a phone call". Also it is > > amazing> > >
> how editing images can reveal so much the official photographs could>
> > > not. Hmmm, I don't think I will bother to attend the premier -
> even > > if> > > there is one in London.> > > > > > Martin.> > > > > >
> --- In apollo-hoax@ yahoogroups. com, Craig T <studio054jock@ > wrote:> >
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> RISING" being released theatrically in 2009> > > > . > > > > The
> Official web site is: > > > > http://MoonRising- TheMovie. com> > > > Â
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