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RE: [applyingsociology] False Pretenses


Stacey,

Some of us are, and find that battles often extremely costly -- and sometimes you just
wear down over time.  Some sociologists aren't involved in making the world better,
and think that playing along avoids reactions from those in power - - I had some of
those undermine efforts we have tried for equity and fairness for employees.  I have
fought to make the world better most of my life, in the larger and smaller circles,
and find myself worn down from the struggles.

America remains a nation either conservative in values OR susceptible to the tricks
and games of those spin-doctors who are paid well to confuse and sell the ideology
of the wealthy (now through much more powerful corporations).  Karl Rove was a master
manipulator, and understood how the public can be played and misled - - change the issue
from "Estate Taxes" (which the public supports) to "Death Taxes" - - which the public
does not like.  As long as any group of people chooses the easy way, the one that does
not genuinely support education, they become easily confused by the very people
who benefit from such confusion.  The biggest false consciousness of all is that we
do not lose that much from our ignorance.

Dave


J. David Wemhaner, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Sociology
Liberal Arts Division, Metro Campus
Tulsa Community College
909 So. Boston, Tulsa, OK 74119-2095
phone: (918) 595-7196, fax = (918) 595-7145
email = dwemhane@...



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Hi group,

I’m relatively new here, and am only a lowly student.  :-)  

 

From some of the great professors I’ve had, this would seem to be something that a sociologist would passionately pursue.  My questions for the great minds here:  Why aren’t sociologists more involved in making a better world?  Or are they working vigilantly and the mainstream media (and others) just aren’t giving them attention/credit?

 

Thank you for your time.

Stacey

 


From: applyingsociology@yahoogroups.com [mailto:applyingsociology@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Glass
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seems like this is the kind of work (analysis) that sociologists should be doing...

 

"President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."

 

the remainder is here:

 

<http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=project_home&context=overview&id=945>

 

john

 

John E. Glass, Ph.D.




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seems like this is the kind of work (analysis) that sociologists should be doing... "President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials,...
John Glass
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Hi group, I'm relatively new here, and am only a lowly student. :-) From some of the great professors I've had, this would seem to be something that a...
Stacey and Lisa
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Stacey, Some of us are, and find that battles often extremely costly -- and sometimes you just wear down over time. Some sociologists aren't involved in...
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hi, Stacey first, there is no such thing as a lowly student -- despite what you may have been lead to believe by people calling themselves professors, so feel...
John Glass
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Thank you Dave and John for your insights, I agree with you both! John, you mentioned something that's a curiosity to me: that the "younger" folks haven't...
Stacey and Lisa
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hi, Stacey i am not convinced that my brain is worth picking, but nevertheless... not having the benefit of hearing the specifics of what was said publicly and...
John Glass
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Jan 24, 2008
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Stacey, One of the main reasons I eventually chose sociology (prior interest in psychology and economics) was I really enjoy sociologists - - and 35 years...
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Jan 24, 2008
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First we would likely not find much agreement as to what a better world is. There are also many like Ken Boulding who wore other labels who did work for the...
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Jan 24, 2008
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I really believe sociology should be the study of how to make a better world. I think the "Change the World" conversation is the proper domain of sociology. ...
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Jan 24, 2008
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speaking of positive social change, what about this year's presidential election? Corporate Hillary is a drag. Barrack Obama is in bed with the Big Coal...
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Jan 24, 2008
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I believe John and the others who've addressed the topic of what sociologists should be doing to change the world are well intentioned. But as I've said...
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hi, Ken i understand why you reference me in your statement about "changing the world," but neither of my most recent posts have much to do with that. both of...
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Is it really that difficult to determine things that can make a better world? I am not talking about knowing and constructing "Utopia" - - - but in a world...
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