Apologies for cross-posting

I have a sherd of 13th/14th century pottery from Oxfordshire with an incised
(post-firing) 'potters mark'. It takes the form of two right-angled
triangles joined at the right angles, one triangle inverted (will scan the
image later if anyone wants to see it).

I am aware of a few published examples of these (mainly from McCarthy and
Brooks 1988), but have any turned up more recently, ie since the mid 80's,
particularly on Brill/Boarstall ware?  Also, is there a published paper
pulling these things together, or did I imagine it?

all parallels, info, speculation etc appreciated

paul

Paul

I have a few examples of 'potters marks' from Scottish sites, Perth and
Dumbarton come to mind straight away.  The Perth example is in the local
redware fabric and of a similar date to yours, however its slightly more
complicated than joined triangles!   I have not been able to find anything
published on the subject.  I can let you have copies of the illustrations if
you are interested?

regards

Derek Hall

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Swastika Decoration on Romano-British Pottery

Some sherds from the Hadham Ware kiln site carry a decoration in the form of
a stamped swastika. A stamped ovolo above, and possibly below, the decoration
suggest an attempt to imitate a Dr. form 37. The fabric is typically Hadham,
dull red in colour, with inclusions of red iron stone. One of the sherds is a
waster and almost certainly made on the site. The only other similar vessel
carrying this decoration, together with a "devolved floral motif",  is from
Colchester (Roman Colchester,247,fig 111, 4). Two sherds are known from
elsewhere carrying only the ovolo design.

The use of the swastika on RB material has been noted on a copper alloy mount
from Brougham(inf. Quita Mould) and on a brooch found on the Continent (inf.
Donald Mackreth). Any information about the use of the swastika decoration on
any artefacts, but ceramics in particular, would be of considerable interest
to the writer.
Drawings of the Hadham Ware sherds may be viewed on the SGRP website in the
near future.

Bernard Barr
Redgates Nursery
Great Cambridge Road
Waltham Cross, Herts.
EN8 8EX
(tel. 01992 761515)
(e-mail b22443054@...)


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Hello all,
The only only use of the swastika on Romano-British pottery that I have come
across is from Holbrook, Derbyshire.  However, this example is painted and
not stamped.  Furthermore the dating is much earlier than the Hadham
example.  The Holbrook vessel is likely to be Antonine in date.  Brassington
(1980, 46) describes the vessel as a flanged bowl in a cream fabric with a
reddish-brown painted swastika on the underside of the flange.

Does any know of any other examples?

Scott Martin,
Essex County Council Field Archaeology Unit
Fairfield Court,
Briantree,
Essex

	 Reference
	 Brassington, M. 1980, 'Derby Racecourse Kiln Excavations 1972-3',
Antiquaries Journal 60, 8-47

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>                    Swastika Decoration on Romano-British Pottery
>
> Some sherds from the Hadham Ware kiln site carry a decoration in the form
> of
> a stamped swastika. A stamped ovolo above, and possibly below, the
> decoration
> suggest an attempt to imitate a Dr. form 37. The fabric is typically
> Hadham,
> dull red in colour, with inclusions of red iron stone. One of the sherds
> is a
> waster and almost certainly made on the site. The only other similar
> vessel
> carrying this decoration, together with a "devolved floral motif",  is
> from
> Colchester (Roman Colchester,247,fig 111, 4). Two sherds are known from
> elsewhere carrying only the ovolo design.
>
> The use of the swastika on RB material has been noted on a copper alloy
> mount
> from Brougham(inf. Quita Mould) and on a brooch found on the Continent
> (inf.
> Donald Mackreth). Any information about the use of the swastika decoration
> on
> any artefacts, but ceramics in particular, would be of considerable
> interest
> to the writer.
> Drawings of the Hadham Ware sherds may be viewed on the SGRP website in
> the
> near future.
>
> Bernard Barr
> Redgates Nursery
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My apologies to Scot Martin who drew my attention to the painted example many
months ago. I am interested in why the potter(s) decided on the use of what
is a very ancient symbol and where they drew their inspiration. Hilary Cool
has just e-mailed me with the information that swastikas were used as a
decoration on square glass vessels c. first-early third century. The Hadham
examples are probably fourth

Bernard Barr


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>
> Hello all,
> The only only use of the swastika on Romano-British pottery that I have
> come across is from Holbrook, Derbyshire.  However, this example is
> painted and not stamped.  Furthermore the dating is much earlier than the
> Hadham example.  The Holbrook vessel is likely to be Antonine in date.
> Brassington (1980, 46) describes the vessel as a flanged bowl in a cream
> fabric with a reddish-brown painted swastika on the underside of the
> flange.
>
> Does any know of any other examples?
>
> Scott Martin,
> Essex County Council Field Archaeology Unit
> Fairfield Court,
> Briantree,
> Essex
>
>  Reference
>  Brassington, M. 1980, 'Derby Racecourse Kiln Excavations 1972-3',
> Antiquaries Journal 60, 8-47
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>
>
> 	                   Swastika Decoration on Romano-British Pottery
>
>  Some sherds from the Hadham Ware kiln site carry a decoration in the
> form of
>  a stamped swastika. A stamped ovolo above, and possibly below, the
> decoration
>  suggest an attempt to imitate a Dr. form 37. The fabric is typically
> Hadham,
>  dull red in colour, with inclusions of red iron stone. One of the
> sherds is a
>  waster and almost certainly made on the site. The only other similar
> vessel
>  carrying this decoration, together with a "devolved floral motif",
> is from
>  Colchester (Roman Colchester,247,fig 111, 4). Two sherds are known
> from
>  elsewhere carrying only the ovolo design.
>
>  The use of the swastika on RB material has been noted on a copper
> alloy mount
>  from Brougham(inf. Quita Mould) and on a brooch found on the
> Continent (inf.
>  Donald Mackreth). Any information about the use of the swastika
> decoration on
>  any artefacts, but ceramics in particular, would be of considerable
> interest
>  to the writer.
>  Drawings of the Hadham Ware sherds may be viewed on the SGRP website
> in the
>  near future.
>
>  Bernard Barr
>  Redgates Nursery
>  Great Cambridge Road
>  Waltham Cross, Herts.
>  EN8 8EX
>  (tel. 01992 761515)
>  (e-mail b22443054@...)
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In the course of my research for my dissertation, I located four C4th
swastika stamps, which are as follows:

Stamp    County    Site                                  Description
J 1ai        Yorks    Malton, Roman vicus      Negative, left-facing
swastika

J 2aii       Herts      Bromley Hall Farm       Positive, right-facing
swastika in a negative ring

J 2aiv     Cambs   Cambridge, Castle Hill  Negative, right-facing swastika
in a negative ring

J 3ci        Essex      Billericay                           Negative,
left-facing swastika with multiple arms (hand-drawn)

(In this context, negative means the area below the level of the pot surface
-- the  area of clay depressed by the application of the stamp.)

The Cambridge stamp (shown here) is particularly interesting as it is
directly paralleled by a stamp from the AS cemetery at St John's, Cambridge.
It is the one stamp which appears to demonstrate continuity over the
Roman/Dark Age divide. It is published in:
_Roman Cambridge: excavations on Castle Hill 1956--1988_
by John Alexander & Joyce Pullinger.
Vol. LXXXVIII (1999) of the _Proceedings of Cambridge Antiquarian Society_.
ISSN 0309--3606

Yours ever
Diana



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Dear Diana

My most grateful thanks for your reply concerning the above subject. My
apologies for not replying sooner but, foolishly, I am still growing and
selling bedding plants.

I had, some difficulty in locating my copy of the Roman Cambridge volume
which I have just found but I cannot locate the illustration of the swastika
decoration you list. Could you provide a page and figure number for it,
together with any bibliographical references for the Malton and Billericay
sherds, if published? Chris Going lists one swastika sherd from Essex, which
might be the Billericay one, but all attempts to track down the people
concerned led only to a complete denial of any knowledge of the decorated
sherd

Details of the Cambridge AS cemetery (St Johns) sherd would be of
considerable interest, if it is published the reference would be a help for
comparison. The non text drawings you sent were deleted by the people who
monitor the list.

Finally, will you be publishing your dissertation and, if so, where and when?
If not, is there any chance of obtaining a copy? There are other motives as
well as the swastika one. There is also the much vexed question of the
so-called "romano-saxon" pottery which might be broadly contemporary with the
swastika sherds from Bromley Hall Farm. Do you ever find an ovolo design on
any of your early Anglo Saxon stamped pottery?

And are there any AS cemeteries south of Cambridge? We do have sunken floored
buildings at the Fox Holes site in Hertford and others in Essex but I am not
at all certain if they yield burials with decorated AS pottery.

with most grateful thanks for your help and interest



Bernard Barr
Redgates Nursery, Great Cambridge Road, Waltham Cross, Herts. EN8 8EX

('phone 01992 761515) E-mail b22443054@...


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Dear Diana

Not reaching you on your own e-mail address so this is just to let you know
that I have found the illustration of the Cambridge sherd (972). I shall try
to get up to Cambridge to see it next week. I would be glad to hear from you
with my other queries

Bernard


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Greetings, all! I am somewhat new to this group. I did some pottery in
my junior high school years (made a coil-built pot, won a purple
ribbon and went on to the Minnesota State Fair!), but haven't done
anything since.

I now belong to Regia Anglorum in California, and would like to make
pottery my craft or trade. I wonder if anyone has some good books to
start out with, re classification of Anglo-Saxon pottery, techniques
pertinent to this period, how to build a wheel, and how to fire pots
in the A-S manner.

Thanks a lot!

Douglas

Could anyone help me with a telephone number, email address, or a snail mail
address for John Hudson the potter who works in North Yorkshire. Replies
off-list,please,

Bernard Barr


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Yes I have a recent address and phone no for him but not sure how to reply
'off list' - ?  Jennie Stopford

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From: Nick Cooper, University of Leicester, School of Archaeology and
Ancient History,    njc9@...
June 28th 2001

Dear Colleague

The East Midlands Archaeological Research Framework Project
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The results of the first stage comprise a series of forty-five period
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and Rutland, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire and Nottinghamshire. The second
stage comprises nine synthetic period chapters forming An Archaeological
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A series of meetings has recently been completed to discuss the form of the
Regional Research Agenda which, by recognising gaps in our knowledge and
potential areas where the region can contribute to national research
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oops real url is as follows

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Many thanks but several people have forwarded his address.

To reply of list you would have to type in my email address, i.e.
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I have just spent 3 days with Timeteam at Cheshunt, Herts. It has been quite
an experience!

Bernard Barr


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At 03:21 PM 06/28/2001 +0100, you wrote:
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>sorry for any inconvenience!


Ummm, Sue?  I get a connection, but nothing on screen -- the page is blank
according to the Netscape connection.  Do you have any suggestions?

Sara E. Orel, Ph.D.
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Division of Fine Arts
Truman State University
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Hi Nick
Thanks for keeping me informed. Hope you're keeping well - sorry not to
see you in Liverpool at the SGRP.
Love
Jane

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	 From: Nick Cooper, University of Leicester, School of
Archaeology and
	 Ancient History,    njc9@...
	 June 28th 2001

	 Dear Colleague

	 The East Midlands Archaeological Research Framework Project

http://www.le.ac.uk/archaeology/east_midlands_research_framework.htm.
	 The results of this project (jointly funded by English Heritage
and the
	 Local Authorities and hosted by the University of Leicester) are
now posted
	 on the above website for consultation.

	 The results of the first stage comprise a series of forty-five
period
	 Resource Assessment documents for the counties of Derbyshire,
Leicestershire
	 and Rutland, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire and Nottinghamshire.
The second
	 stage comprises nine synthetic period chapters forming An
Archaeological
	 Resource Assessment and Research Agenda for the East Midlands.

	 A series of meetings has recently been completed to discuss the
form of the
	 Regional Research Agenda which, by recognising gaps in our
knowledge and
	 potential areas where the region can contribute to national
research
	 questions, will underpin the future research strategy. The
project would
	 like to take this opportunity to thank all those individuals and
	 organisations who have contributed to the framework so far and
to encourage
	 others to use the resource and comment on it.

	 It is intended that both stages will remain as a permanent web
resource and
	 be periodically updated with further information. However, the
second stage
	 forms the draft of a publication to appear during 2002, which
you are
	 invited to comment on before September 1st 2001.  Please
circulate this
	 information to your colleagues.

	 Please direct comments either to me (Nick Cooper, University of
Leicester
	 Archaeological Services, Leicester LE1 7RH,   tel. (0116)
2522847/8,  email
	 njc9@... .) or directly to the authors as follows

	 Palaeolithic:    John McNabb,.  scarab@...
	 Mesolithic:    Andy Myers  andy.myers@...
	 Neolithic and Earlier Bronze Age: Patrick Clay   pnc3@...
	 Later Bronze Age and Iron Age:   Steve Willis.
S.H.Willis@...
	 The Roman Period:   Jeremy Taylor    jt38@...
	 Anglo-Saxon (c.400 to 850):  Alan Vince  alan@...
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Carenza.lewis@...
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Problem is now fixed, you should be able to see the page.

http://www.medievalpottery.org.uk/occpap2.htm

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Hello,

I enjoy studying about paleontology, fossils, and so forth, and in fact, my
pursuit of the subject has inspired me to create a computer game!  I am
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Check it out and let me know what you think!

Sincerely,
Andrew

Hi all,

My name is Mike. I'm 50yo, currently living in Cambridge and about to
return to studies by way of a Masters at Institute of Archaeology, UCL.
This is after a 6 year gap since graduating from the same place during
which time I've mostly worked with homeless people. I've tried to keep
up to date with events in academe but, inevitably, am behind the times
and a little rusty viz terminology, analysis techniques etc...so bear
with me if my questions are a little naive. My focus is fairly
parochial: UK and Irish prehistory with Europe as the backdrop to this
and a special fondness for settlement studies, particularly within the
Iron Age time frame.

With that in mind you may be aware that Ireland appears not to have
*had* much of an Iron Age and one of the topics that we have been
mulling over on another list (Iron-Age-Ireland@yahoogroups.com) is that
of aceramic societies. This is because Ireland not only has a fairly
bare archaeological record from c700 BC to later La Tene, it also
appears to be aceramic during these times.

What I'm fishing for here is maybe some literature which deals with
aceramic societies generally: ethnographic stuff for analgous societies
could be useful here. Also, and much more interesting to myself is
anything that comments on the social meaning of ceramics and the social
contexts that ceramics are used in.

Any thoughts on this folks ?

Cheers,

Mike Collins

Dear Mike,
     I'm not sure that I can suggest much about aceramic societies
ethnographically, although the Iron Age in South and West Yorkshire / north
Derbyshire is virtually aceramic - see the article by Bill Bevan in his
edited volume 'Northern Exposure' (Leicester University Press 1999) and in
the recent B.A.R. volume 'Northern Pasts' (Harding, Johnson and Pollard),
also the article by Graham Robbins in 'Northern Exposure'.
     With regard to the social dimensons of pottery, have a look at (and
preferably buy) 'Not so much a pot, more a way of life', edited by myself
and Paul Blinkhorn (I'm not even going to apologise for plugging it) Oxbow
Monograph No. 83.  The majority of the papers deal with this subject
generally, focussing on specific places and times for case studies.  A
recent volume of Archaeometry (vol. 42, no. 1, 2000) looked at the variety
of constraints and determinants affecting 'technological choices'.  Comments
on the papers wer published in volume 43, part 2 (May 2001).  The
bibliographies should prove a useful starting point for further reading.
There is also Bill Sillar's recent BAR 'Shaping culture' (Int. series. 883,
2000) which focuses on South America, but also contains a substantial
bibliography.

Best of luck
Chris Cumberpatch


> Hi all,
>
> My name is Mike. I'm 50yo, currently living in Cambridge and about to
> return to studies by way of a Masters at Institute of Archaeology, UCL.
> This is after a 6 year gap since graduating from the same place during
> which time I've mostly worked with homeless people. I've tried to keep
> up to date with events in academe but, inevitably, am behind the times
> and a little rusty viz terminology, analysis techniques etc...so bear
> with me if my questions are a little naive. My focus is fairly
> parochial: UK and Irish prehistory with Europe as the backdrop to this
> and a special fondness for settlement studies, particularly within the
> Iron Age time frame.
>
> With that in mind you may be aware that Ireland appears not to have
> *had* much of an Iron Age and one of the topics that we have been
> mulling over on another list (Iron-Age-Ireland@yahoogroups.com) is that
> of aceramic societies. This is because Ireland not only has a fairly
> bare archaeological record from c700 BC to later La Tene, it also
> appears to be aceramic during these times.
>
> What I'm fishing for here is maybe some literature which deals with
> aceramic societies generally: ethnographic stuff for analgous societies
> could be useful here. Also, and much more interesting to myself is
> anything that comments on the social meaning of ceramics and the social
> contexts that ceramics are used in.
>
> Any thoughts on this folks ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mike Collins
>
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Hi Chris,

>     I'm not sure that I can suggest much about aceramic societies
> ethnographically, although the Iron Age in South and West Yorkshire /
> north
> Derbyshire is virtually aceramic - see the article by Bill Bevan in
> his
> edited volume 'Northern Exposure' (Leicester University Press 1999)
> and in
> the recent B.A.R. volume 'Northern Pasts' (Harding, Johnson and
> Pollard),
> also the article by Graham Robbins in 'Northern Exposure'.
>     With regard to the social dimensons of pottery, have a look at
> (and
> preferably buy) 'Not so much a pot, more a way of life', edited by
> myself
> and Paul Blinkhorn (I'm not even going to apologise for plugging it)
> Oxbow
> Monograph No. 83.  The majority of the papers deal with this subject
> generally, focussing on specific places and times for case studies.  A
> recent volume of Archaeometry (vol. 42, no. 1, 2000) looked at the
> variety
> of constraints and determinants affecting 'technological choices'.
> Comments
> on the papers wer published in volume 43, part 2 (May 2001).  The
> bibliographies should prove a useful starting point for further
> reading.
> There is also Bill Sillar's recent BAR 'Shaping culture' (Int. series.
> 883,
> 2000) which focuses on South America, but also contains a substantial
> bibliography.

Many thanks for all of the above info. This is just the sort of guidance
I need at this stage and I'll certainly get back to you when I've
digested the material you kindly cite. A phenomenological approach to
the study of medieval pottery certainly sounds intriguing as does
another text I noticed at Oxbow (Different Iron Ages) that you
co-edited.

Looking forward to some stimulating reading,

Mike Collins

I've got a Dr form 67 (small globular mould-decorated beaker — my
sherd has the plain upper part with two grooves before the dec. zone
which has figures and no ovolo border)which Webster dates to Flavian
and early 2nd century. The fabric does not resemble the typical south
Gaulish or Les Martres that I have seen. Its more grainy with mica
and looks Hadrianic-Antonine possibly but sort of atypical.  Anyway,
my question is does anyone know of this form being made later than
trajanic or has anyone seen it in classic Lezoux fabric?  This piece
is from Long Melford, I've had a quick look in Hull 1963 and can't
see that it was produced at Colchester.

I am in the process of writing a paper on the
influence of Roman ceramic in Europe.  Does anyone
have any resources or suggestions?  I would greatly
appreciate. Thanks.

Dana Best
University of Akron
Dept. of Classical Studies, Anthropology & Archaeology

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Issue 6 of "assemblage" the University of Sheffield graduate online
journal of archaeology is now online! Go to the issue directly with
http://www.shef.ac.uk/~assem/issue6/index.htm. Or follow the blue
hyperlink on the journals homepage at: http://www.shef.ac.uk/~assem/

We have got a great variety of research articles and reviews for the
new issue. Papers include:

Cessford on 'Clay pipes and the study of smoking', Cumberpatch on
'Power of Place' and 'Embedded/disembedded economies', Kelly-
Blazeby on Tavernas in ancient Greece, Hamilakis, Pluciennik and
Tarlow on 'Academic performances, artistic presentations, Webster on
Phenomenology and 'Natural Attitude' with a reply by Thomas,
Corcos on Churces in the pre-historic landscape.
Plus lots of book reviews.

Take a look and we hope you enjoy it!
Christiane Meckseper, Helen Evans and Tim Allen
(assemblage editors)


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Could anyone tell me where I might locate a copy of the following
publication/paper

Li Tre Libri dell'  Arte del Vasio by Cipriano Piccolpasso (translated by B.
Rackham

With many thanks to anyone who can help


Bernard Barr


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Hi Bernard,

I think that I have a copy of this publication, I will check and let you
know tomorrow.

Scott

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Dear Scott

I would be grateful to see the above publication if you have it.

Chris, his merry helpers and myself hope to get to see you soon. Chris is
away this week and will have a backlog of work when he returns to the museum.
He will raise the possibility of a meeting of your local pottery group this
autumn. Verulamium and/or Harlow are venue possibilities, is there any chance
of this happening?

If my failing memory serves me right you did an excellent note on "bowls with
an internal wavcy line decoration" in the Chesterford report. Have you
published an extended list since then of findspots in some more recent
publication?

Bernard


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