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Re: [archivists] Is there gain in knowledge or loss of knowledge?


On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 01:45:38PM -0800, Brewster Kahle wrote:
>
> [on a recent trip to India, Dr Om Vikas from the Ministry of
> Information gave a presentation and one of the slides really hit me
> hard. I have reproduced it here, with permission. This is the first
> time I have ever heard someone question the accepted meme of our
> knowledge explosion. Even if I disagree with the fringes, it is a
> bold and interesting point. Maybe an analogy with the loss of
> biological diversity stands: there are more biomass on earth, but of
> fewer types. -brewster ]
>
> Is there gain in knowledge or loss of knowledge?
>
> * From an estimated 10,000 world languages in 1900, about 6,700
> languages survived in 2000. Two percent of the world's languages are
> becoming extinct every year. ...

At the risk of sassing my betters, I'd say that you need to get out
more, Brewster. :-) This is an old idea and a common critique of
globalism and cultural "monoculture". I think most any freshman
anthropology text would introduce the concept of net loss of knowledge
as traditional cultures join the mainstream.

Dr. Vikas' statistics about publication and translation are apt, but I
suspect that the numbers and proportions would be even more staggering
if similar statistics could be compiled about the oral traditions of
primarily unwritten languages.

Then there is a more philosophical and psychological question about the
relative information density of direct versus mediated experience.
Bill McKibben's widely noted 1993 book "The Age of Missing Information"
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0452269806/) concerns a
Walden-like experiment in which he collected and watched all 1700 hours
of television provided by his cable TV system in one day, then compared
that with the experience of camping for 24 hours on a mountain.

For more on just the topic of language extinction, see:

"Vanishing Voices: The Extinction of the World's Languages" by
Daniel Nettle and Suzanne Romain (2000,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195136241/)

"Most of the World's Languages Went Extinct", ch. 7 of "The
Power of Babel: A Natural History of Language" by John
McWhorter (2001,
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006052085X/)

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[on a recent trip to India, Dr Om Vikas from the Ministry of Information gave a presentation and one of the slides really hit me hard. I have reproduced it...
Brewster Kahle
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... At the risk of sassing my betters, I'd say that you need to get out more, Brewster. :-) This is an old idea and a common critique of globalism and...
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Hi Brewster -- Thanks for bringing this to the list's attention. I've been worried for quite some time about the erosion of both language diversity and of...
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Feb 20, 2003
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All the memories of the lives of my ancestors are recorded in the archetypes of the dreams in my mind. I write down as many of these patterns of human action...
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... So? Perhaps we're more aware of the loss now, but this has always happened. If there's no-one around to speak a language, and there are no written records...
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Hi All. First reply to this group. Coming from an IT background, rather than a "curator". Without being a an academic type since leaving University, I had...
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Well, this is very intersting - although I wonder if there is really proof of all the statements, for instance, items number 2, 4, and 5, and I also wonder if...
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I don't necessarily agree with Vikas when he says we lose art and ideas along with the loss of language. I agree that art and ideas are not static. They change...
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... I think of knowledge more as a vehicle than a destination, more as CPU cycles than as bits stored on a disk. Today, very few drivers know how an engine...
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... I have long been concerned with this topic, my own visual aid is a triangle or pyramid structure as it is often used to portray the structure of Fortune...
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