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786	That's not all - a two-bit degenerate consciousness is all that's needed to become President... ... Danny Ayers http://www.isacat.net...	Danny Ayers danny@...	Oct 1, 2001 1:58 pm
787	Hi Barry, Many thanks for posting this material. My personal comments - an expansion on your definition of 'general purpose knowledge processing' would (I...	Danny Ayers danny@...	Oct 2, 2001 8:11 am
788	Subset of Prevous Message and Something I had not noticed before when I read Barry's email's ... 2) They must be completely general. In other words the...	Gene Foxwell wizard_of_frozzbozz@...	Oct 2, 2001 1:14 pm
789	... processing' ... By "general purpose knowledge processing" I mean the ability to process knowledge in the same ways people do. It is difficult to enumerate...	neuromorph@...	Oct 2, 2001 1:15 pm
790	My reply: So what? These are requirements. They don't have to be provable. There are many things we can think that aren't logically provable. See Godel's...	neuromorph@...	Oct 2, 2001 1:59 pm
791	No, Danny, it takes more than that, but one certainly seems to be an asset. The word "War" should not be used by those who can't spell it. Darryl ... ...	Darryl Turner darryl_turner@...	Oct 2, 2001 2:51 pm
792	Re concept of general purpose knowledge processing, here is a draft of mine, to become a webpage, where since our neurology seems to have a bias to ...	Chris Lofting ddiamond@...	Oct 2, 2001 4:18 pm
793	->>provable. See Godel's incompleteness theorem. For future reference, what Godel proved is that thier are logical theorems which can not be proven by a formal...	Gene Foxwell wizard_of_frozzbozz@...	Oct 2, 2001 6:40 pm
794	->>provable. See Godel's incompleteness theorem. For future reference, what Godel proved is that thier are logical theorems which can not be proven by a formal...	Gene Foxwell wizard_of_frozzbozz@...	Oct 2, 2001 6:43 pm
795	Wait until you guys hit sixty! ;-) Darryl ... === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your Yahoo!...	Darryl Turner darryl_turner@...	Oct 2, 2001 10:08 pm
796	... Unreasonable Darryl, a person can be senile at any age....	Danny Ayers danny@...	Oct 3, 2001 12:20 am
797	Damn, that true, I guess I could be senile :) ... ===== share and enjoy wizard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Listen to your...	Gene Foxwell wizard_of_frozzbozz@...	Oct 3, 2001 1:11 am
798	Hi Gene, I don't have to prove everything logically. In any case, my knowledge representation can be proven to have an unlimited domain mathematically. To...	neuromorph@...	Oct 3, 2001 7:59 am
799	Hi Gene, I went back and reviewed formal systems and Godel's theorems in light of your post. I think we are both correct. We were discussing the problem from...	neuromorph@...	Oct 3, 2001 7:00 pm
800	GREAT SCOTT!!! GIVE THIS MAN A NOBEL! oops... there isn't a nobel in maf... oh well... Give him a prize!!! man, dood, most superbly excelent dude, is there...	Alan Grimes alangrimes@...	Oct 3, 2001 7:40 pm
801	Your reasoning is very impressive, but there are a couple of points I have ... On what do you base this? You talk about abstractions as very ethereal entities,...	Danny Ayers danny@...	Oct 3, 2001 9:33 pm
802	Consider this, something you may or may not have considered, but I don't think it is covered by this. Suppose one used Godel's trick on thought itself, godel...	Gene Foxwell wizard_of_frozzbozz@...	Oct 3, 2001 10:06 pm
803	Tooold ya! Darryl ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just...	Darryl Turner darryl_turner@...	Oct 3, 2001 10:27 pm
804	Demonstration Accepted. Darryl ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site...	Darryl Turner darryl_turner@...	Oct 3, 2001 10:28 pm
805	... Well, I wasn't following the earlier thread. I recognised the brilliance of the post because I was already thinking along the same lines. While I had only...	Alan Grimes alangrimes@...	Oct 3, 2001 11:57 pm
806	Hi Danny, Thanks for the compliment ;-). Sorry for the delay getting back to you guys. I pulled an all nighter to put that last post together and I had to get...	neuromorph@...	Oct 4, 2001 12:33 am
807	... GOOD. ... BAD. WTF is wrong here? For a guy who so clearly gets it at a very high level, you suddenly drop into sub-moron-zone when it comes to ...	Alan Grimes alangrimes@...	Oct 4, 2001 1:47 am
808	Hi Alan, You are welcome to grab abstraction and exploit it with all the vigor you can muster. I've been down that road. I tried the pure abstraction based...	neuromorph@...	Oct 4, 2001 11:03 am
809	Hi again, As for the pure abstraction based / symbolic approach, its not a total dead end. A lot of good can be done using it. For example it should be...	neuromorph@...	Oct 4, 2001 10:46 pm
810	Thanks Gene, That's a good suggestion. I thought about that at one point, but I never pursued it. I agree it would be a very interesting exercise. ...	neuromorph@...	Oct 4, 2001 11:58 pm
811	Hi Allen, ... functions of ... Actually, that's not true. When I said abstraction has an unlimited domain and can represent anything, I really meant anything. ...	neuromorph@...	Oct 5, 2001 2:39 am
812	... uh. Neurons are adiquate... But a much much better solution should be possible. (IE: elimination of the training costs/instant learning as possible.) ......	Alan Grimes alangrimes@...	Oct 5, 2001 4:49 am
813	Hi Allen, You must be on the East Coast of the US. I'm on the West Coast so its 3 hours earlier here. ... vigor ... approach ... below. ... elimination of ... ...	neuromorph@...	Oct 5, 2001 11:58 am
814	Those are included within the scope of the concepts discussed, if not the explicit discussion. It will take some time to cover the full spectrum. Darryl ... ...	Darryl Turner darryl_turner@...	Oct 5, 2001 1:46 pm
815	Ok, I'll deal with two posts at once here, first I will deal with allens symbolic logic approach, then I'll give a prelimnary idea of what Godel Numbering ...	Gene Foxwell wizard_of_frozzbozz@...	Oct 5, 2001 4:40 pm

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