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Landing sites are common but long-term bases are often located near
the centres of tectonic plates.
After the catastrophic earth crisis that precipitated the end of the
last ice age, the areas that were visited and helped by various beings
included the Himalaya, Andes and other high points that had escaped
the devastation.

Interior shells of plasma-charged atmospheres are quite common; water
less so. Assuming we are not discussing aquatic entities it is more
likely the water doughnut appeared as liquid, but was in fact another
state of matter entirely.
A torus of energy amortises all inertia effects in many
near-terrestrial designs, helping to integrate everything inside the
shell of the craft within a single field.
The grid system of navigation is equally applicable to all spheres -
indeed, the terrestrial 360 degree grid of nautical miles is a
derivation of such a system. The electromagnetic fields on Earth have
been altered to more closely follow this system for both navigational
and propulsive purposes below the ionosphere.
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my memory which was a work area filled with computer screens, no
keyboards.  The guide operated it with his thoughts and told me
everything was based on a grid system, then a grid appeared on the
screen.  My question is what or where were these beings probably from
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During the era when Ares was seeded with humans from this globe and
elsewhere, breeding was strictly controlled. Many were rendered
infertile by prevailing conditions in the relatively inhospitable
Arean environment. Many were rendered infertile by their leaders in
what would today be referred to as a campaign of selective eugenics
to alter the species. The population was heavily skewed with
functional males outnumbering females, whose fertility was also more
easily compromised.
	 The population was continuously replenished from Earth and
the overlords considered most humans to be a replaceable pool of
workers. Non-reproductive sex was very actively discouraged. It was
anathema to the overlords, whose original form used a very different
type of reproduction. They didn't comprehend or approve of what they
saw as emotionally controlled and directed societies of humans and
saw humanity as blind slaves to `animal' hormones and pheromones.
Their limited form of affection was reserved for and limited to
themselves and their peers and their systems of domination were
threatened by the ways of the wild.
	 Tantric societies and techniques of spiritual and mental
expansion were obliterated in favour of more ascetic regimes,
characterized by strict schools of yoga and similar techniques or
self-development that appealed to the drier mentality of the
venerable rulers. Areans were encouraged to seek enlightenment only
through certain prescribed methods and `authorised' schools, to focus
upon the tasks necessary to build a pyramid-structured civilization
on an unforgiving planet – primarily beneath the surface. Their
society was as structured as that on a spaceship or sealed terrarium;
nothing was spared, wasted or superfluous. Everything not permitted
was forbidden.
	 The majority were effectively neutered in the interests of
the hive.
	 Humans were taught that their sexual organs were to be used
for physical regeneration and longevity, using rigidly defined
methods. Simple and effective techniques of contraception were used
by both sexes, relying only on forms of yoga that are still used in
some places on Earth today. The human body is capable of
extraordinary things, feats that are treated as myths and fantasies
by most hypnotised (functional but asleep) humans. Most of these
psychic and physical abilities are actively suppressed (and suffer
atrophy) by the insectoid worker/slave cultures humans have so easily
succumbed to since the coming of the overlords. Simple techniques can
allow women and men to control their own fertility consciously, but
very few human cultures are prepared to allow these practices to be
taught to pubescent adolescents; the age at which they are most
easily learned. Sex has been taught to be associated only with
reproduction under circumstances sanctioned by societies.
As on Sirian-dominated Ares, humans are taught to trust authority and
to submit to methods sanctioned by rigid mindsets. They are taught to
distrust themselves, their minds, their memories and their bodies and
anyone who tells them that they are capable of far more than they
realise – unless it has to do with acquisition of wealth or societal
power. Alternative schools and techniques of thought and self-
illumination are disparaged, destroyed, ignored and forgotten.
Religions have been the major tools of oppression, encouraging and
forcing individuals to submit to fabricated nonsense, to suppress
their own creativity and insights and to mutilate their own (and
their children's) bodies, senses, supersenses and minds in the name
of blind conformity to false dogma. To survive in these mad,
maddening civilizations you must blind your `third eye' if what it
reveals disagrees with accepted lore and laws. Even in today's
extraordinarily progressive modern societies, citizens are largely
unaware of the myriad contortions of spirit, mind and body they must
learn to accept as `normal' from birth. They imagine they are free
while succumbing to and agreeing with the dominant paradigm –
whatever it may be.
Great adaptions were necessary if humans were to survive on Ares, as
removed from nature and their own natures as were their mentors (who
had survived the death of their home world), living underground in
the fashion of the overlords.
When Areans visited Earth, their shock and revulsion at seeing humans
in their natural wild state was almost as profound as it had been for
the overlords. Human societies were seen as completely dominated by
women, with males entirely subordinate to the wills and pheromones of
the mothers of the tribes. Areans had figuratively cut off their
noses to spite their race but were still subject to the hormonal
surges produced by native humans, that they usually suppressed
ruthlessly – but the Arean `sons of god' saw that the daughters of
men were fair and interbred with them to produce modern homo sapiens
sapiens.
The `divine right of kings' and the `right of the signeur' to
impregnate the women of the tribe arose in those times, when
patriarchy forcibly overwhelmed matriarchy. Most human sexuality has
been  stunted and disfigured since that era.

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Hi Mary - long see no time!
As our illustrious Uncle seems to be on holidays for a while (or
something) the synchronicity of your question and my own recent
writing sees me providing you with an answer that's not his. I hope
it's not presumptuous, U.M....

This is a short description of the main issues of life, the core of
the hologram - intent, will and its ramifications.

As we weave our way through the World we leave a trail, a wake in the
macrocosm that remains forever in Timespace. This wake remains
connected to us here, now, and always and is intimately connected to
our present thoughts and decisions. More activity causes a more
convoluted trail that inevitable crosses and recrosses itself, as the
infinite holographic fractal universe is an exercise in incrementally
altering repetition.

Morphogenesis – the Theory of Formative Causation enunciated by
Rupert Sheldrake - illustrates how a field that's been laid down is a
field that is followed in subsequent generations/repetitions.

Events arising from willed actions that effect many points of moving
perspective - individual consciousnesses - form turbulence that
ensures the instigator will find themselves in the place of the
beings whose courses they've disrupted. The more consciousnesses
whose courses are disrupted by any act, the more turbulence arises.
This, friends, is 'karma'. To the uninitiated it translates as the
golden rule of `do unto others' in one of its many permutations -
reasonable metaphors for a deeper concept.

An individual response to this knotting of the wormpaths of
individual destinies can cause more turbulence or lead to nirvana or
any point in between. It's a matter of will and awareness applied to
the geometry of Timespaces.

Dharma is a way of recognising the paths we have created and dancing
with them in a creative way that frees one (and all) from the
convolutions of the decisions we've already made. The world becomes
an instrument for the artist to play, at which point harmony and
discord become acts of direct will and their ramifications are
instantly recognised and further altered. The Art.

Dharma is thus often thought of as 'good works' by the uninitiated.

Keep up the Great Work!

            Thou art God!



--- In askmartian@yahoogroups.com, "marysaseer" <marysaseer@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Uncle Martin (if you're still out there somewhere seeing as you
> haven't replied to the other questions yet)
> What about Karma? Do you really pay for everything you do and what
> about the good things you do? How do you pay and who enforces it?
>