Hi, All

Let me clarify 2 things first. First, there's a typing mistake on my
message. "I cannot read German." I would appreciate if Moishe can
help me to correct my original message because I can't modify it.
Second thing is I am not from Japan. Hong Kong is a part of China
now and it used to be a British colonies before 1997. And, I am a
Chinese.

John,
I am sure your idea will not work. You've presumed that people born
with the same Sun Sign are sharing specific features. The idea of
narrowing down the criteria of testing scheme is very good. However,
you've making it too simple. I don't know how your expertise in
astrology. But, I hope you can understand the following example.

People who are sharing the same Sun Sign, Moon Sign and Ascendant
may or may not look alike in facial appearance. For any same
combination of this, there is a time period of 2 hours differences
in the same Ascendant Sign. The Sign of Ascendant changes around
every 2 hours. In other words, there's 30 degrees of differences.
Although 2 persons are sharing the same combinations, the aspects to
their Ascendant can be various extremely. For example, if Ascendant
of person A received a square from Jupiter and Ascendant of person B
received an opposition from Saturn. The result will definitely make
the 2 person look really different in facial characteristics. In
this case the influences of Jupiter have overrides the
characteristics of Sun Sign, Moon Sign and Ascendant. Whereas in
person B's chart, the same happened to Saturn.

Do you understand what I said? This explained why I am looking for
Edith Wangemann's works those day. I cannot read German and I have
no way to access her old journal "Sein und Werden". As far as I
known, her work has never been published in books. I wonder if you
can contact any of her students in German. Her project has ended in
success as Dr. Geoffrery Dean mentioned in his book, 'Recent
Advances in Natal Astrology".

Cheers,
Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)



--- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, "John Gilbert(3)"
<johngilbertpttraverse@...> wrote:
>
> Sent to: Moishe and jason in Japan
> How about reverse engineering the question with two advantages a)
& b)
> Get the public to send in their photos ( snail mail plus email ) -
3 or more pictures of a person, by
> a) offering to have astroface try to find their double ( a letter
explaining the process could be copied from the astroface website.
When anyone sees a potential 'double' on the street, they can hand
the stranger the astroface letter and say "I think that a friend of
mine is your double, so give me your email and phone number and I'll
tell them to contact you." and/or "Go to abc where he/she works and
see for yourself" The prestigiously worded letter handed out at the
same time as you speak removes the fear of a stranger approaching,
and the human nature ego response of most recipients is teased by
> b) the intrigue of finding someone who looks exactly like them.)
>
> Moishe, since most people only know the Sun sign, this would focus
on the Sun sign ( only for this proposed project ). Once you have
posted the photo matches perhaps you can attempt to analize for
matches of their more error prone moon or ascendant. Without
presuming what forces contribute to the face, this approach might
show that the Sun sign controls more of specific features. Am I
nuts, or if it's not too labour intensive do you think you could
modify this idea into something useful ?
> Jason seems to be on track - Someone who speaks/writes in German
needs to do a lot of detective googling and probe for lost friends
of Edith Wangemann in Germany.
> Regards,
> John Gilbert - vintage Feb. 18, 1936 - godhas4legs@... - Toronto,
Canada - 416.481.5668 phone PM only (away in the country Friday to
Monday for much of the summer)
> Forward this message thread far and w-i-d-e
> because you do have a double out there ... somewhere.
> ====
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jasonfan2003
> To: astrofaces@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 AM
> Subject: [astrofaces] Re: further research
>
>
> Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you
about
> this whole project.
>
> Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
> myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal chart
can
> reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is
that
> the way to find this out would not be as simple as your
assumptions,
> i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.
>
> There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar
researchs
> like your in human history. One of the best books on this topic
> is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although
the
> book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic, none
of
> them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You
results
> will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are
strangely
> outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe the
> method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is
not
> correct or too simple.
>
> Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances
in
> Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the
method
> to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful works
of
> Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the information
is
> not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are some
co-
> relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and Human
> faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not be
able
> to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.
>
> Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will be
able
> to find the further information of her works.
>
> Regards,
> Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
>
> --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Moshe Berlin <mosheberlin@>
> wrote:
> >
> > good question,
> > we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
> > 1) we don't have their permission
> > 2) their birthdata is even less reliable than the information
> we have now
> > 3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
> > there might be a few in the database that people sent in the
> staff didn't recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > hpi_97 <caroline.rains@> wrote: What about posting
> photos of public personalities whose birth
> > charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
> > to base a research project on.
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