Moishe,

Having clicking the photo on this web site, I have already inspired
with some ideas on my mind. I wonder whether you can help me.

Yet, I can't find the birth data of the photo you've posted. Can you
provide the birth data of the following person:
021211-3
030411-1 (I know she's Lois Rodden)
030411-3
040411-3
050311-1
071111-4
090811-1
121211-1
121211-3

I would really appreciate if you can do it.

Thanks,
Jason



--- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, "jasonfan2003" <jasonfan2003@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi, All
>
> Let me clarify 2 things first. First, there's a typing mistake on
my
> message. "I cannot read German." I would appreciate if Moishe can
> help me to correct my original message because I can't modify it.
> Second thing is I am not from Japan. Hong Kong is a part of China
> now and it used to be a British colonies before 1997. And, I am a
> Chinese.
>
> John,
> I am sure your idea will not work. You've presumed that people
born
> with the same Sun Sign are sharing specific features. The idea of
> narrowing down the criteria of testing scheme is very good.
However,
> you've making it too simple. I don't know how your expertise in
> astrology. But, I hope you can understand the following example.
>
> People who are sharing the same Sun Sign, Moon Sign and Ascendant
> may or may not look alike in facial appearance. For any same
> combination of this, there is a time period of 2 hours differences
> in the same Ascendant Sign. The Sign of Ascendant changes around
> every 2 hours. In other words, there's 30 degrees of differences.
> Although 2 persons are sharing the same combinations, the aspects
to
> their Ascendant can be various extremely. For example, if
Ascendant
> of person A received a square from Jupiter and Ascendant of person
B
> received an opposition from Saturn. The result will definitely
make
> the 2 person look really different in facial characteristics. In
> this case the influences of Jupiter have overrides the
> characteristics of Sun Sign, Moon Sign and Ascendant. Whereas in
> person B's chart, the same happened to Saturn.
>
> Do you understand what I said? This explained why I am looking for
> Edith Wangemann's works those day. I cannot read German and I have
> no way to access her old journal "Sein und Werden". As far as I
> known, her work has never been published in books. I wonder if you
> can contact any of her students in German. Her project has ended
in
> success as Dr. Geoffrery Dean mentioned in his book, 'Recent
> Advances in Natal Astrology".
>
> Cheers,
> Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
>
>
>
> --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, "John Gilbert(3)"
> <johngilbertpttraverse@> wrote:
> >
> > Sent to: Moishe and jason in Japan
> > How about reverse engineering the question with two advantages
a)
> & b)
> > Get the public to send in their photos ( snail mail plus
email ) -
> 3 or more pictures of a person, by
> > a) offering to have astroface try to find their double ( a
letter
> explaining the process could be copied from the astroface
website.
> When anyone sees a potential 'double' on the street, they can hand
> the stranger the astroface letter and say "I think that a friend
of
> mine is your double, so give me your email and phone number and
I'll
> tell them to contact you." and/or "Go to abc where he/she works
and
> see for yourself"  The prestigiously worded letter handed out at
the
> same time as you speak removes the fear of a stranger approaching,
> and the human nature ego response of most recipients is teased by
> > b) the intrigue of finding someone who looks exactly like them.)
> >
> > Moishe, since most people only know the Sun sign, this would
focus
> on the Sun sign ( only for this proposed project ).  Once you have
> posted the photo matches perhaps you can attempt to analize for
> matches of their more error prone moon or ascendant.  Without
> presuming what forces contribute to the face, this approach might
> show that the Sun sign controls more of specific features.  Am I
> nuts, or if it's not too labour intensive do you think you could
> modify this idea into something useful ?
> > Jason seems to be on track - Someone who speaks/writes in German
> needs to do a lot of detective googling and probe for lost friends
> of Edith Wangemann in Germany.
> > Regards,
> > John Gilbert - vintage Feb. 18, 1936 - godhas4legs@ - Toronto,
> Canada - 416.481.5668 phone PM only (away in the country Friday to
> Monday for much of the summer)
> > Forward this message thread far and w-i-d-e
> > because you do have a double out there ... somewhere.
> > ====
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: jasonfan2003
> >   To: astrofaces@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 AM
> >   Subject: [astrofaces] Re: further research
> >
> >
> >   Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you
> about
> >   this whole project.
> >
> >   Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
> >   myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal
chart
> can
> >   reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is
> that
> >   the way to find this out would not be as simple as your
> assumptions,
> >   i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.
> >
> >   There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar
> researchs
> >   like your in human history. One of the best books on this
topic
> >   is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although
> the
> >   book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic,
none
> of
> >   them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You
> results
> >   will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are
> strangely
> >   outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe
the
> >   method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is
> not
> >   correct or too simple.
> >
> >   Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances
> in
> >   Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the
> method
> >   to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful
works
> of
> >   Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the
information
> is
> >   not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are
some
> co-
> >   relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and
Human
> >   faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not
be
> able
> >   to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.
> >
> >   Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will
be
> able
> >   to find the further information of her works.
> >
> >   Regards,
> >   Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
> >
> >   --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Moshe Berlin <mosheberlin@>
> >   wrote:
> >   >
> >   > good question,
> >   > we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
> >   > 1) we don't have their permission
> >   > 2) their birthdata is even less reliable than the
information
> >   we have now
> >   > 3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
> >   > there might be a few in the database that people sent in the
> >   staff didn't recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
> >   > Thanks,
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > hpi_97 <caroline.rains@> wrote: What about posting
> >   photos of public personalities whose birth
> >   > charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
> >   > to base a research project on.
> >   >
> >   >
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Luis,

I think you have confused the cases yourself. First,
you mother's birthtime is uncertain or around an hour.
Thus, her chart should not be compared with Thatcher's
chart for finding out a valid scheme on astroface
project. Otherwise, you'll not be able to clarify what
factors causing what features. And, you will
complicate the cases yourself like what I've done 10
years ago.

Secondly, you should not start your research based on
inaccurate data. I suggest you to buy a CD from
astrodatabank instead. That's a good place to start
with. Professional astrologers usually do their
research on this system.

I guess you're not professional astrologer either. I
would suggest this web site to get more research
documents from official astrological institutes like
AFA, AA and Faculties of Astrological studies, etc.
Otherwise, it will finally end up like a discussion
around amateur's gossip. There's no harm of doing this
but the project will not be end in success.

Cheers,
Jason




--- luis_aldamiz <lialdamiz@...> »¡¡G

> I said in previous mail that they share Scorpio Asc.
> apparently - yet
> the birthtime of my mother is uncertain for an hour
> or so... I had it
> corrected to that position of Scorpio on my own
> amateur logic but it
> could be even Saggitarius actually. All I know is
> that, assuming that
> my homy correction is ok, they seem could be conj.
> by a reasonable
> orb, same as Moon-Sun which must be conj. by 6?
>
> Not a very close connection maybe but enough to make
> two people
> resemble at some age and in some specific portraits.
>
> My mother's Asc does not have the heavy presence of
> Saturn that
> definitively conditions a lot Mrs. Thatcher's aspect
> (Sat is conj. to
> her Asc. less than 2?. My Mother's Asc. (if
> correct) seems strangely
> unaspected instead.
>
> Note: let it be. The more I think about it, the more
> I'm prone to give
> my mother a Sagg. rising. Scorpio Ascs. are so
> marked!
>
> Another case of my own experience is a person, whose
> young pics
> resembled the Swedish series charachter Pippi
> Langstrum (an actress
> called Nilsson). Checking the BD of the actress and
> my acquintance's
> chart it happened that this latters' Asc is conj. by
> less than 1?to
> Nilsson's (Pippi's) Sun.
>
> There's a crossed connection: it's not just "Sun
> defines this, Moon
> defines that, etc." Moon and Sun or Sun and Asc,
> when in the same
> area, may give two people some simmilar appearence,
> at least in some
> period of life or specific expression.
>
> But people definitively resemble by those
> conjunctions. I have enough
> in-family connections of that type: Taurus father
> and son born just
> one day apart with Moons in trine in earth signs,
> for instance.
>
> Even Moon signs can be felt but I think the Moon is
> less obvious than
> Sun+Asc in the appearence.
>
> Luis.
>
> --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Jason Fan
> <jasonfan2003@...> wrote:
> >
> > Lius,
> >
> > Thank you for you message.
> >
> > Have you ever checked with the hard aspects of
> > Thatcher's Asc and your mom's Asc? How similar
> they
> > are?
> >
> > I believe...if you tell me there're no hard
> aspects on
> > Asc of your mom, that will make a great
> differences.
> > Now, I'd like to tell you that the bony face
> features
> > of Thatcher should be explained by the
> conjunctions of
> > her Asc with Saturn. I don't know whether the same
> > happened to your mom's natal chart.
> > This aspect can override the influences of the
> > combination of Sun sign + Moon Sign + Rising Sign.
> > Please refers to my latest message posted on
> > astroface.com for detail.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jason
>
>
>
>
>


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I said in previous mail that they share Scorpio Asc. apparently - yet
the birthtime of my mother is uncertain for an hour or so... I had it
corrected to that position of Scorpio on my own amateur logic but it
could be even Saggitarius actually. All I know is that, assuming that
my homy correction is ok, they seem could be conj. by a reasonable
orb, same as Moon-Sun which must be conj. by 6º.

Not a very close connection maybe but enough to make two people
resemble at some age and in some specific portraits.

My mother's Asc does not have the heavy presence of Saturn that
definitively conditions a lot Mrs. Thatcher's aspect (Sat is conj. to
her Asc. less than 2º). My Mother's Asc. (if correct) seems strangely
unaspected instead.

Note: let it be. The more I think about it, the more I'm prone to give
my mother a Sagg. rising. Scorpio Ascs. are so marked!

Another case of my own experience is a person, whose young pics
resembled the Swedish series charachter Pippi Langstrum (an actress
called Nilsson). Checking the BD of the actress and my acquintance's
chart it happened that this latters' Asc is conj. by less than 1º to
Nilsson's (Pippi's) Sun.

There's a crossed connection: it's not just "Sun defines this, Moon
defines that, etc." Moon and Sun or Sun and Asc, when in the same
area, may give two people some simmilar appearence, at least in some
period of life or specific expression.

But people definitively resemble by those conjunctions. I have enough
in-family connections of that type: Taurus father and son born just
one day apart with Moons in trine in earth signs, for instance.

Even Moon signs can be felt but I think the Moon is less obvious than
Sun+Asc in the appearence.

Luis.

--- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Jason Fan <jasonfan2003@...> wrote:
>
> Lius,
>
> Thank you for you message.
>
> Have you ever checked with the hard aspects of
> Thatcher's Asc and your mom's Asc? How similar they
> are?
>
> I believe...if you tell me there're no hard aspects on
> Asc of your mom, that will make a great differences.
> Now, I'd like to tell you that the bony face features
> of Thatcher should be explained by the conjunctions of
> her Asc with Saturn. I don't know whether the same
> happened to your mom's natal chart.
> This aspect can override the influences of the
> combination of Sun sign + Moon Sign + Rising Sign.
> Please refers to my latest message posted on
> astroface.com for detail.
>
> Cheers,
> Jason

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Lius,

Thank you for you message.

Have you ever checked with the hard aspects of
Thatcher's Asc and your mom's Asc? How similar they
are?

I believe...if you tell me there're no hard aspects on
Asc of your mom, that will make a great differences.
Now, I'd like to tell you that the bony face features
of Thatcher should be explained by the conjunctions of
her Asc with Saturn. I don't know whether the same
happened to your mom's natal chart.
This aspect can override the influences of the
combination of Sun sign + Moon Sign + Rising Sign.
Please refers to my latest message posted on
astroface.com for detail.

Cheers,
Jason


--- Luis <lialdamiz@...> »¡¡G

> Hi, Jasonfan.
>
> Sadly this list is virtually inactive so far, but I
> agree that it is a
> fascinating subject and that physical and expression
> simmilarities are
> found among people that share important positions in
> the natal chart. I
> was surprised when I realized in a portrait of M.
> Thatcher (an ugly
> woman) how much she resembles my mother (a rather
> beautiful woman): I
> checked their charts an voil? they share 2 major
> placements: Asc. and
> Sun/Moon (my Mom's Moon is right o Thatcher's Libra
> Sun).
>
> I could continue like that for centuries. In fact
> what most made me
> believe that Astrology is actually meaningful in my
> times of doubts was
> the shocking conncetion Solar sign - appearence that
> is not universal
> but sufficiently visible to persuade me. At least in
> my family Taureans
> are stocky, Gemini are small rather slim and
> Aquareans are elongated and
> bony... of course it's not so simple but the
> obvioustendencies helped me
> to develope interest in Astrology.
>
> I do think that the three traits mentioned are very
> relevant but that
> aspects to them, specially Asc. are also very
> relevant. For instance you
> gent quite Plutonian looks (inverted V eyebrows, for
> instance) among
> people whose Asc. is conj. or aspected by Pluto. A
> good excercise is
> maybe to compare one chart with a series of photos
> of which only one is
> right... playing this game, I've realized that
> aspects to the Asc are
> most important determining appearence, something
> that is not reflected
> in the Astrofaces series.
>
> Btw, I'm the (only) Leo-Can-Ari guy (though that pic
> is rather old).
>
> Enjoy,
> Luis.
>
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> >
> >     Very impressive web site! I really want to
> discuss with you about
> >     this whole project.
> >
> >     Throughout the years, I've been doing
> researches on astrology
> >     myself. One of the most interesting topic is
> how the natal chart can
> >     reflect our appearances. What I want to say
> for the moment is that
> >     the way to find this out would not be as
> simple as your assumptions,
> >     i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.
> >
> >     There're couple of astrologers putting efforts
> on similar researchs
> >     like your in human history. One of the best
> books on this topic
> >     is "Astrological body types" written by Judith
> Hill. Although the
> >     book has given a lot of valuable information
> on this topic, none of
> >     them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life
> cases. You results
> >     will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10
> cases are strangely
> >     outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not
> work. I believe the
> >     method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign +
> Ascendant Sign) is not
> >     correct or too simple.
> >
> >     Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book
> "Recent Advances in
> >     Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea
> how should the method
> >     to be applied. The book has mentioned about
> the successful works of
> >     Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed
> that the information is
> >     not detail enough. The only thing I know is
> that there are some co-
> >     relations found between the cusps of Koch
> House system and Human
> >     faces. The problem is that I can read German
> and I would not be able
> >     to reach further information about Edith
> Wangemann's work.
> >
> >     Althought she has just passed away, I was
> wonder if you will be able
> >     to find the further information of her works.
> >
> >     Regards,
> >     Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
> >
>
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Hi, All

Let me clarify 2 things first. First, there's a typing mistake on my
message. "I cannot read German." I would appreciate if Moishe can
help me to correct my original message because I can't modify it.
Second thing is I am not from Japan. Hong Kong is a part of China
now and it used to be a British colonies before 1997. And, I am a
Chinese.

John,
I am sure your idea will not work. You've presumed that people born
with the same Sun Sign are sharing specific features. The idea of
narrowing down the criteria of testing scheme is very good. However,
you've making it too simple. I don't know how your expertise in
astrology. But, I hope you can understand the following example.

People who are sharing the same Sun Sign, Moon Sign and Ascendant
may or may not look alike in facial appearance. For any same
combination of this, there is a time period of 2 hours differences
in the same Ascendant Sign. The Sign of Ascendant changes around
every 2 hours. In other words, there's 30 degrees of differences.
Although 2 persons are sharing the same combinations, the aspects to
their Ascendant can be various extremely. For example, if Ascendant
of person A received a square from Jupiter and Ascendant of person B
received an opposition from Saturn. The result will definitely make
the 2 person look really different in facial characteristics. In
this case the influences of Jupiter have overrides the
characteristics of Sun Sign, Moon Sign and Ascendant. Whereas in
person B's chart, the same happened to Saturn.

Do you understand what I said? This explained why I am looking for
Edith Wangemann's works those day. I cannot read German and I have
no way to access her old journal "Sein und Werden". As far as I
known, her work has never been published in books. I wonder if you
can contact any of her students in German. Her project has ended in
success as Dr. Geoffrery Dean mentioned in his book, 'Recent
Advances in Natal Astrology".

Cheers,
Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)



--- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, "John Gilbert(3)"
<johngilbertpttraverse@...> wrote:
>
> Sent to: Moishe and jason in Japan
> How about reverse engineering the question with two advantages a)
& b)
> Get the public to send in their photos ( snail mail plus email ) -
3 or more pictures of a person, by
> a) offering to have astroface try to find their double ( a letter
explaining the process could be copied from the astroface website.
When anyone sees a potential 'double' on the street, they can hand
the stranger the astroface letter and say "I think that a friend of
mine is your double, so give me your email and phone number and I'll
tell them to contact you." and/or "Go to abc where he/she works and
see for yourself"  The prestigiously worded letter handed out at the
same time as you speak removes the fear of a stranger approaching,
and the human nature ego response of most recipients is teased by
> b) the intrigue of finding someone who looks exactly like them.)
>
> Moishe, since most people only know the Sun sign, this would focus
on the Sun sign ( only for this proposed project ).  Once you have
posted the photo matches perhaps you can attempt to analize for
matches of their more error prone moon or ascendant.  Without
presuming what forces contribute to the face, this approach might
show that the Sun sign controls more of specific features.  Am I
nuts, or if it's not too labour intensive do you think you could
modify this idea into something useful ?
> Jason seems to be on track - Someone who speaks/writes in German
needs to do a lot of detective googling and probe for lost friends
of Edith Wangemann in Germany.
> Regards,
> John Gilbert - vintage Feb. 18, 1936 - godhas4legs@... - Toronto,
Canada - 416.481.5668 phone PM only (away in the country Friday to
Monday for much of the summer)
> Forward this message thread far and w-i-d-e
> because you do have a double out there ... somewhere.
> ====
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jasonfan2003
>   To: astrofaces@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 AM
>   Subject: [astrofaces] Re: further research
>
>
>   Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you
about
>   this whole project.
>
>   Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
>   myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal chart
can
>   reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is
that
>   the way to find this out would not be as simple as your
assumptions,
>   i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.
>
>   There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar
researchs
>   like your in human history. One of the best books on this topic
>   is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although
the
>   book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic, none
of
>   them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You
results
>   will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are
strangely
>   outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe the
>   method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is
not
>   correct or too simple.
>
>   Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances
in
>   Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the
method
>   to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful works
of
>   Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the information
is
>   not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are some
co-
>   relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and Human
>   faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not be
able
>   to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.
>
>   Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will be
able
>   to find the further information of her works.
>
>   Regards,
>   Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
>
>   --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Moshe Berlin <mosheberlin@>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > good question,
>   > we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
>   > 1) we don't have their permission
>   > 2) their birthdata is even less reliable than the information
>   we have now
>   > 3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
>   > there might be a few in the database that people sent in the
>   staff didn't recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
>   > Thanks,
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > hpi_97 <caroline.rains@> wrote: What about posting
>   photos of public personalities whose birth
>   > charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
>   > to base a research project on.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
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>   >
>   > Visit your group "astrofaces" on the web.
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Hi, Jasonfan.

Sadly this list is virtually inactive so far, but I agree that it is a
fascinating subject and that physical and expression simmilarities are
found among people that share important positions in the natal chart. I
was surprised when I realized in a portrait of M. Thatcher (an ugly
woman) how much she resembles my mother (a rather beautiful woman): I
checked their charts an voilá: they share 2 major placements: Asc. and
Sun/Moon (my Mom's Moon is right o Thatcher's Libra Sun).

I could continue like that for centuries. In fact what most made me
believe that Astrology is actually meaningful in my times of doubts was
the shocking conncetion Solar sign - appearence that is not universal
but sufficiently visible to persuade me. At least in my family Taureans
are stocky, Gemini are small rather slim and Aquareans are elongated and
bony... of course it's not so simple but the obvioustendencies helped me
to develope interest in Astrology.

I do think that the three traits mentioned are very relevant but that
aspects to them, specially Asc. are also very relevant. For instance you
gent quite Plutonian looks (inverted V eyebrows, for instance) among
people whose Asc. is conj. or aspected by Pluto. A good excercise is
maybe to compare one chart with a series of photos of which only one is
right... playing this game, I've realized that aspects to the Asc are
most important determining appearence, something that is not reflected
in the Astrofaces series.

Btw, I'm the (only) Leo-Can-Ari guy (though that pic is rather old).

Enjoy,
Luis.

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>             jasonfan2003 <http://profiles.yahoo.com/jasonfan2003>
>
>
>             Tue Jun 6, 2006 12:28 am (PST)
>
>     Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you about
>     this whole project.
>
>     Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
>     myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal chart can
>     reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is that
>     the way to find this out would not be as simple as your assumptions,
>     i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.
>
>     There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar researchs
>     like your in human history. One of the best books on this topic
>     is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although the
>     book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic, none of
>     them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You results
>     will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are strangely
>     outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe the
>     method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is not
>     correct or too simple.
>
>     Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances in
>     Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the method
>     to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful works of
>     Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the information is
>     not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are some co-
>     relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and Human
>     faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not be able
>     to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.
>
>     Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will be able
>     to find the further information of her works.
>
>     Regards,
>     Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
>


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Well, I think it's a great idea!
At the Astrofaces site, there is a business card that can be printed.
Go to the "Send Photos" page, and look for the link that says "if you
would like to help publicise the project..." - that opens the card
graphic.  These could be printed and given out if people feel inspired
to do that to intruduce people to the Astrofaces project.

As to actually meeting doubles, that might be difficult, because they
would probably be in another country! We have photos from people all
around the world. We will certainly forward all letters to
respondents, if we have their email address. It's up to them to
respond.  Unfortunately, there are many photos that arrived without
emails via the upload form, or from temporary email addresses.

Even though it can be fun trying to guess, we wouldn't want to arrange
the project photos only by sun sign, appearance and educated
guesswork. The goal of the Astrofaces project is to show modern
scientists that there are reproducible measurements to astrology - to
have computer analysis with facial recognition software that will show
a statistical correlation between the appearance and the birth chart.
All the best,
Moshe



--- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, "John Gilbert(3)"
<johngilbertpttraverse@...> wrote:
>
> Sent to: Moishe and jason in Japan
> How about reverse engineering the question with two advantages a) & b)
> Get the public to send in their photos ( snail mail plus email ) - 3
or more pictures of a person, by
> a) offering to have astroface try to find their double ( a letter
explaining the process could be copied from the astroface website.
When anyone sees a potential 'double' on the street, they can hand the
stranger the astroface letter and say "I think that a friend of mine
is your double, so give me your email and phone number and I'll tell
them to contact you." and/or "Go to abc where he/she works and see for
yourself"  The prestigiously worded letter handed out at the same time
as you speak removes the fear of a stranger approaching, and the human
nature ego response of most recipients is teased by
> b) the intrigue of finding someone who looks exactly like them.)
>
> Moishe, since most people only know the Sun sign, this would focus
on the Sun sign ( only for this proposed project ).  Once you have
posted the photo matches perhaps you can attempt to analize for
matches of their more error prone moon or ascendant.  Without
presuming what forces contribute to the face, this approach might show
that the Sun sign controls more of specific features.  Am I nuts, or
if it's not too labour intensive do you think you could modify this
idea into something useful ?
> Jason seems to be on track - Someone who speaks/writes in German
needs to do a lot of detective googling and probe for lost friends of
Edith Wangemann in Germany.
> Regards,
> John Gilbert - vintage Feb. 18, 1936 - godhas4legs@... - Toronto,
Canada - 416.481.5668 phone PM only (away in the country Friday to
Monday for much of the summer)
> Forward this message thread far and w-i-d-e
> because you do have a double out there ... somewhere.
> ====
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: jasonfan2003
>   To: astrofaces@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 AM
>   Subject: [astrofaces] Re: further research
>
>
>   Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you about
>   this whole project.
>
>   Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
>   myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal chart can
>   reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is that
>   the way to find this out would not be as simple as your assumptions,
>   i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.
>
>   There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar researchs
>   like your in human history. One of the best books on this topic
>   is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although the
>   book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic, none of
>   them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You results
>   will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are strangely
>   outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe the
>   method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is not
>   correct or too simple.
>
>   Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances in
>   Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the method
>   to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful works of
>   Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the information is
>   not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are some co-
>   relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and Human
>   faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not be able
>   to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.
>
>   Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will be able
>   to find the further information of her works.
>
>   Regards,
>   Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)
>
>   --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Moshe Berlin <mosheberlin@>
>   wrote:
>   >
>   > good question,
>   > we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
>   > 1) we don't have their permission
>   > 2) their birthdata is even less reliable than the information
>   we have now
>   > 3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
>   > there might be a few in the database that people sent in the
>   staff didn't recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
>   > Thanks,
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > hpi_97 <caroline.rains@> wrote: What about posting
>   photos of public personalities whose birth
>   > charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
>   > to base a research project on.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > ---------------------------------
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>   >
>   >
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>   >
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Sent to: Moishe and jason in Japan
How about reverse engineering the question with two advantages a) & b)
Get the public to send in their photos ( snail mail plus email ) - 3 or more
pictures of a person, by
a) offering to have astroface try to find their double ( a letter explaining the
process could be copied from the astroface website.  When anyone sees a
potential 'double' on the street, they can hand the stranger the astroface
letter and say "I think that a friend of mine is your double, so give me your
email and phone number and I'll tell them to contact you." and/or "Go to abc
where he/she works and see for yourself"  The prestigiously worded letter handed
out at the same time as you speak removes the fear of a stranger approaching,
and the human nature ego response of most recipients is teased by
b) the intrigue of finding someone who looks exactly like them.)

Moishe, since most people only know the Sun sign, this would focus on the Sun
sign ( only for this proposed project ).  Once you have posted the photo matches
perhaps you can attempt to analize for matches of their more error prone moon or
ascendant.  Without presuming what forces contribute to the face, this approach
might show that the Sun sign controls more of specific features.  Am I nuts, or
if it's not too labour intensive do you think you could modify this idea into
something useful ?
Jason seems to be on track - Someone who speaks/writes in German needs to do a
lot of detective googling and probe for lost friends of Edith Wangemann in
Germany.
Regards,
John Gilbert - vintage Feb. 18, 1936 - godhas4legs@... - Toronto,
Canada - 416.481.5668 phone PM only (away in the country Friday to Monday for
much of the summer)
Forward this message thread far and w-i-d-e
because you do have a double out there ... somewhere.
====

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jasonfan2003
   To: astrofaces@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 3:27 AM
   Subject: [astrofaces] Re: further research


   Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you about
   this whole project.

   Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
   myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal chart can
   reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is that
   the way to find this out would not be as simple as your assumptions,
   i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.

   There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar researchs
   like your in human history. One of the best books on this topic
   is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although the
   book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic, none of
   them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You results
   will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are strangely
   outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe the
   method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is not
   correct or too simple.

   Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances in
   Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the method
   to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful works of
   Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the information is
   not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are some co-
   relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and Human
   faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not be able
   to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.

   Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will be able
   to find the further information of her works.

   Regards,
   Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)

   --- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Moshe Berlin <mosheberlin@...>
   wrote:
   >
   > good question,
   > we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
   > 1) we don't have their permission
   > 2) their birthdata is even less reliable than the information
   we have now
   > 3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
   > there might be a few in the database that people sent in the
   staff didn't recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
   > Thanks,
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > hpi_97 <caroline.rains@...> wrote: What about posting
   photos of public personalities whose birth
   > charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
   > to base a research project on.
   >
   >
   >
   >
   >
   > ---------------------------------
   > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
   >
   >
   > Visit your group "astrofaces" on the web.
   >
   > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
   > astrofaces-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
   >
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   Service.
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   >
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Very impressive web site! I really want to discuss with you about
this whole project.

Throughout the years, I've been doing researches on astrology
myself. One of the most interesting topic is how the natal chart can
reflect our appearances. What I want to say for the moment is that
the way to find this out would not be as simple as your assumptions,
i.e. Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign.

There're couple of astrologers putting efforts on similar researchs
like your in human history. One of the best books on this topic
is "Astrological body types" written by Judith Hill. Although the
book has given a lot of valuable information on this topic, none of
them can be repeatedly duplicated in real life cases. You results
will probably come out like hers. 3 or 4 of 10 cases are strangely
outstanding. The rest 6 or 7 cases does not work. I believe the
method used (such as Sun Sign + Moon Sign + Ascendant Sign) is not
correct or too simple.

Until I was able to buy the out-of-print book "Recent Advances in
Astrology" by Geoffrey Dean, I have some idea how should the method
to be applied. The book has mentioned about the successful works of
Edith Wangemann. But, I'm very disappointed that the information is
not detail enough. The only thing I know is that there are some co-
relations found between the cusps of Koch House system and Human
faces. The problem is that I can read German and I would not be able
to reach further information about Edith Wangemann's work.

Althought she has just passed away, I was wonder if you will be able
to find the further information of her works.

Regards,
Jason Fan (From Hong Kong)




--- In astrofaces@yahoogroups.com, Moshe Berlin <mosheberlin@...>
wrote:
>
> good question,
>   we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
>   1) we don't have their permission
>   2)  their birthdata is even less reliable than the information
we have now
>    3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
>   there might be a few in the database that people sent in the
staff didn't recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
>   Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> hpi_97 <caroline.rains@...> wrote:        What about posting
photos of public personalities whose birth
>   charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
>   to base a research project on.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>     YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>     Visit your group "astrofaces" on the web.
>
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Service.
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Hi,


www.shopastrology.com has gifted and scientific astrologers. They have
an enormous wealth of experience, a true intuitive and psychic talent
and a wonderfully nonjudgmental, objective eye. They deliver their
readings with an air of common sense and yet with an underlying tone
of deep spiritual understanding of the chart. This type of approach
makes it completely comprehensible to the new-comer and at the same
time opens up entirely new possibilities to be explored. Whether
you're looking for a simple understanding of your own natal chart or
dabbling in progressed charts, compatibility charts, remedial
measures, recommendations for gemstones, rudraksh etc. couldn't
recommend anyone more highly. They are compassionate, patient, and
giving teachers. I have gained an infinite amount of wisdom and a
wealth of understanding about myself from them. I'd never seek a
reading from anyone else. alchemical_college

Regards

good question,
   we don't add celebrity photos for several reasons:
   1) we don't have their permission
   2)  their birthdata is even less reliable than the information we have now
    3) so many public personalities have cosmetic surgery.
   there might be a few in the database that people sent in the staff didn't
recognize, but please don't send celebrity photos.
   Thanks,




hpi_97 <caroline.rains@...> wrote:        What about posting photos of
public personalities whose birth
   charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
   to base a research project on.





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What about posting photos of public personalities whose birth
charts are known? That way, there would be many more pictures
to base a research project on.

Hello,

Please come and join us in discussions on Western as well as Vedic Astrology.
Create your free astrology blog and more...

Some of the recent interesting topics on the board:

http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=6394 << Morton explains karmic tasks in
one's lifetime for Abhishek by a Chalean technique.
http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=6295 << An animated discussion about
Tropical astrology Vs. Sidereal Astrology
http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=6270 << A discussion on
Nakshatras(Constellations) in Vedic Astrology
http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=2539 << Members talk about Horary Vs.
Traditional Astrology
http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=6455 << Vishwas and others talk about
the signs related to sun signs
http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=6568 << Virinchi explains the positive
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Hello Mark,

   Thanks for your kind words. It's always nice to get mail from people who enjoy
the project.

   The planets periods was phrased that way because, when asked, most  people say
that the outer planets spend more time in a sign. It's just  a simple
misconception, so we phrased the question in that way. When  people think about
it for a while, they understand that the planets  move just as you pointed out. 
That isn't a research effort, just  an observation that the planets periods seem
quite exactly equal . This  may have implications on finding the positions of
quantum  particles.  It may be that the equality only appears when measured  in
the astrological signs, these may be the seams of the shape of time.

   All the best,
   Moshe for the Astrofaces project





mshulgasser <mshulgas@...> wrote:          hi friends -
   Love the Faces project and hope to contribute.
   but I'm confused about the question of the planets timein a sign. You begin:
   *****
   *****
   ****Which planet spends the most time in any sign? If we look at any
   single period of time, it would seem to be the furthest planet from
   the sun.
   *****
   *****

Each planet necessarily spends one twelfth ( 1 / 12 ) or 8.25% of  its time in
each sign. Planets farther from the sun will move more  slowly and take many
human years to exhibit this regularity. Fast  moving Planets without
retrogradation show it directly (ie the sun and  moon). A lifetime is relatively
short. A generation even shorter.
   Maybe a kind of higher octave resonances of Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus   could
exhibit itself in relation to your question. Maybe something like  this
generates the transplutonian planets of Witte's Hamburg School. As  it stands I
find your research question meaningless, if not unclear.  (Assuming a universe
for practical purposes eternal.)

   But Ilove the Faces project because it is so totally right-brained,  which
astrology is basically -- a right brain activity with pseudoleft  brain aspects.

   The Time in Sign project is too left brained for you. Don't waste your  energy
on it (forgive me for unasked for advise from a pushy leo)You  seemto have the
talent and fortitude to use the internet to develop a  very vital project.

   Bravo, whoever you are. I look forward to reading your site more closely
soon.. and send you some pictures
   Mark Shulgasser





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hi friends -

Love the Faces project and hope to contribute.

but I'm confused about the question of the planets time
in a sign. You begin:

*****
*****
****Which planet spends the most time in any sign? If we look at any
single period of time, it would seem to be the furthest planet from
the sun.
*****
*****

Each planet necessarily spends one twelfth ( 1 / 12 ) or 8.25% of its
time in each sign. Planets farther from the sun will move more slowly
and take many human years to exhibit this regularity. Fast moving
Planets without retrogradation show it directly (ie the sun and
moon). A lifetime is relatively short. A generation even shorter.
Maybe a kind of higher octave resonances of Jupiter/Saturn/Uranus
could exhibit itself in relation to your question. Maybe something
like this generates the transplutonian planets of Witte's Hamburg
School. As it stands I find your research question meaningless, if
not unclear. (Assuming a universe for practical purposes eternal.)

But Ilove the Faces project because it is so totally right-brained,
which astrology is basically -- a right brain activity with
pseudoleft brain aspects.

The Time in Sign project is too left brained for you. Don't waste
your
energy on it (forgive me for unasked for advise from a pushy leo)
You seemto have the talent and fortitude to use the internet to
develop a very vital project.

Bravo, whoever you are. I look forward to reading your site more
closely soon.. and send you some pictures

Mark Shulgasser

Hello,

Please come and join us and share you views and ideas on some of the most
interesting topic posted by people...

Some of the recent interesting topics on the board:

http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=1232 << Here in this thread Mr. Tolson,
Ms. YaYa try to explain to Abhishek that there is more to life than just the rat
race that we are a part of.

http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=941 << Here Helloo (aka Donna) gets a
tarot reading by deborah (who says... "I felt soo positive reading for you").

http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=751 << Here Deborah gets her palm read
by BSSrinivasan and questions fly around.

http://www.sunsigns.org/viewtopic.php?t=1365 << Here Terrimaree gets her
handwriting analyzed by Abhishek and with every new post there is twist in the
tale

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Dear Members,

Greetings from http://www.cyberastro.com

Let us see how the vedic sky represents this June

  welcome you to June Vedic Sky. With each beginning, the reality mysteriously
creates the possibility of the unexpected. Sometimes these are simply routine
and other times a pain. We should always be prepared for any eventuality that
June come our way. This does not mean anything negative, rather a state of
alertness, which in a positive manner helps us to be an expert at adjusting to
any kind of situation in life.

We are past half way through 2005 already. I am sure many of you feared some
eventuality to happen but I am also sure that things are not as bad as you
expected. This is the best part of life, it has a positive motion and very
rarely does it surpass our expectation of negativity. The strong yellow gold
rays of the Sun disperse most negative energies provided we do not allow them a
safe haven in our souls. The creation moves in an upward motion and all that
which is dark and heavy naturally falls away. The power of creation drives this
manifestation called life and the driver is the powerful. To be positive is
always in step with positive karma. So be calm and collected and live with a
mind that also takes a positive swing at all times.

Let us see how the planets are going to fare in their journey through transit
positions. Let me try to give you a brief picture of the map of the planetary
energies. Each in their position is empowered to give certain result. It should
be our endeavor to enjoy their blessings and understand that each denial is
never to be accepted as a set back, rather we must realize the wisdom of the
unknown, as in it lounge our answers to many a question.

Sun is transiting in Taurus till the 15th of June 2005. Then it enters the airy
sign of Gemini. Those who are in the creative line and have healthy and happy
Mercury in their natal horoscope, located in Gemini will feel a surge of
creativity. Writing skills, oratory powers will improve. This combination
creates ‘Budhaditya’ Jog which is most prominent in Virgo but also effective in
Gemini.

Moon starts its journey from Pisces and will come back to Pisces on 30th May.
Moon will be in Aries on the 31st. Moon is our power to be happy and revive
after each set back. Its short stays in each sign helps to reduce stressful
matters recede to the back ground and we get on with life anew. This process is
positive for those with a clean, clear and bright Moon in natal horoscope. The
same process is less effective with people with afflicted and unhealthy Moon.
The person is emotionally unstable and always plagued by a depressive mind set.

Mars is in Aquarius and will enter Pisces on the 4th of June. Mars in Pisces is
in a friendly sign as Jupiter rules Pisces. Pisces sign element is water and the
energy of Mars is that of fire. In effect there is going to be a dampening
effect on our Martian energy which in many occasions can be good. Aggressive
Mars is never a boon; it can destroy. This energy needs harmonizing and
spiritual methods are always more effective than any other form. Hanumaan Kavach
is a potent device against all Mars inflicted dangers.

The wit and humor of Mercury continues to remain intact in the sign of Taurus
till the 8th of the month. Then it enters happy and comfortable in its own sign
Gemini on the 9th. It further shifts its position to Cancer by the month end.
>From the 25th of June 2005 Mercury will transit Cancer. Mercury’s association
with arch enemies Sun in Gemini and then Saturn in Cancer may indicate that you
may make commitments, which you are not absolutely sure of. So be on your guard
from the 15th to the 25th, which would be the time when you may say or do
something which may change when Mercury is associated with Saturn.

Beautiful Venus is in the sign Gemini and will rest there till the last week of
June and move to Cancer on the 24th of the month. Cancer will house Saturn,
Mercury and Venus all three are friends with each other. As natural benefics
Venus and Mercury will be good in someway or the other while Saturn’s
disposition is yet to be known.

Good news in the realm of divine guru Jupiter is on the way. Jupiter only
remains retrograde in Virgo till the 5th of this month. Then it will resume its
direct motion and let us hope our life will also proceed in a swift and
successful journey along with his guidance.

Saturn has entered Cancer and is direct. Much depends on Saturn and Jupiter in
their transit path and position in each horoscope. It is pointless generalizing
on their indications as looking at the horoscope can only give the true picture.

Rahu transits in Pisces and Ketu habitats in Virgo. These karmic planets also
hold great power over the manifestation of our present Karma. It is best to see
where they are and who they are with and what is their condition. They are also
best understood with keen analysis and not general prediction.

The planets in the sky decree many kinds of changes, some favorable some bring
in foreboding of doom but human’s are endowed with much blessings. So just open
the doors and windows of your soul and reach for the sky. This section of Vedas
used to be the guide to life for the Ancients, let it also do the same for us.

Read more on vedic sky and other astrology related articles in
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Let us see how the vedic sky represents this May

Welcome to May Vedic Sky once again. There is again the beginning
of another month and with each new beginning there comes fresh
responsibilities; sometimes they are simply routine and other times a
pain. The way to a happy life is a happy disposition, open mind and
good health. So smile and do the needful..
We are past fifteen days into the month of 'Baishak' and strong
yellow gold sun rays and flowers. There are fragrances in the breeze
and each subtle essence can give poignancy of completeness, but it
has to be sensed filled up in our heart and soul.

Let me try to give a brief picture of the map of the planetary
energies. Each in their position is empowered to give certain result.
It should be our endeavor to enjoy their blessings and by pass the
negative possibilities.

Sun is transiting in was exalted from the 14th of April 2005. It
remains so till the 15th of May. Then it enters the stable and earth
sign of Taurus. Taurus people may then feel some amount of
restlessness.

Moon Starts its journey from Capricorn and will come back to
Aquarius on 31st May. Moon is our power to be happy and revive
after each set back. Cancer ascendant people will continue to enjoy
the benefits of an exalted 2nd house lord Sun in their Career house
till the 15th. This may mean high activity in this area and it would be
good to put in that extra effort that could turn matters favorable for
you.

Mars is in Aquarius and will remain there all through the month.
Mercury continues to be debilitated in the sign of Pisces till the 9th of
May and then it will move to Aries. It will further shift its position by
the month end the 26th of May and go to Taurus.
Venus will move from Aries to its own sign Taurus on the 6th of May.
This wealth lord will further move to Gemini on the 30th of this
month.
Jupiter continues to remain retrograde in Virgo all through the
month.
Saturn enters Cancer once again on the 27th of May. It is at present
direct in Gemini and slowly proceeding to its transit destination
Cancer.
Rahu transits in Pisces and Ketu habitats in Virgo.
The planets in the sky decree many kinds of changes, some
favorable some bring in foreboding of doom, but human's are
endowed with such blessings from the powers above, and
astrological predictions about the planets mean something different
for each one of us. This section of Vedas used to be the guide to life
for the Ancients, let it also do the same for us.

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A spiritual celebration brings a fine spirit of devotion in the air.
There is a certain mood which becomes more and more intense as
the hour approaches. Temples throng with devotees and it is during
these times one feels that the definition given by the Puranic
dictionary about a place for pilgrimage is so apt. The definition
says" any place where footfalls are many and uncountable is a
place of pilgrimage.' A temple during any spiritual celebration
becomes a place of pilgrimage.

The Sikh community has the concept of humility as one of the
highest source of prayer. In their place of worship which is a
Gurudwara, we often find the rich and the poor alike, cleaning the
premises or shoes of other devotees. Ultimately the devotion is to
the Great one and it is only heartfelt when the mind is without ego.

There is great power in devotion and in every religion this is upheld.

RAHU - KETU TRANSIT
===================
I will continue with the 9th house matters in my next Mail,
presently let us consider Rahu and Ketu and their recent change of
transit. But before I do this, I feel, from the tenor of the mails we
recieve in cyberastro, that many of you have problems in comprehension of
houses and their lordships. I feel that a little time devoted to this
subject once again will aid our newer members to relate to the
discussions in a better manner.  For this, I will rely on some
explanations provided in an earlier article:

Basic Guidance
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
In Sanskrit, the term used for each house is "bhava"; meaning the
field of action. It is a division of the 360 degree zodiac cycle into 12
equal parts, each of 30 degrees. Moving in an anti-clockwise
manner, the houses are numbered from 1 to 12 (normally
represented in roman numerals).

House Numbers 1,4, 7 & 10 are called "Kendras" or Angular
houses. The planets situated at these angular points tend to be
strong & active. House numbers 1, 5 & 9 are terms as "trikona" or
Trine houses. Each house has a "ruler"; this depends on the zodiac
sign that is allocated to the house. Just as each house represents a
particular "field" of activity, the ruler of a particular house represents
the "lord" of that field. Given below is a list of the house
significations attached to each house:

House#    Signification
------        ------------------------------------------
1              Self, body, general prosperity, well bring
2              Livelihood, speech
3              Power, motivation, interests, friends, brother
4              Happiness, home, prosperity, mother
5              Creativity, intelligence, romance, children
6              Disease, enmity
7              Partnership, marriage
8              Death, destruction, longevity, research
9              Fortune, grace, father
10             Skill, achievement, success
11             Gains, aspirations, impulses
12             Losses & Expenses, sorrow, liberation/detachment

This system allows us to translate house nomenclature into
meaningful terms.


The Nodes of Moon
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let us now focus on the two nodes of the planet Moon, namely,
Rahu and Ketu.

The point where Moon crosses the elliptic while moving from
southern direction to the Northern direction is known as Rahu and
the point on the converse path on the North-South axis is called
Ketu. The nodes are thus two points 180 degree apart, and this is
the reason why they are always opposite each other.

However just because they are opposite each other does not mean
that they are opposite in nature also; they may give very similar
effects or even very diverse ones. In Vedic Astrology, they are
planets that chart our past karmic journey. While one maps the
past, the other takes the clue and initiates tendencies in to the
mortal as per karmic requirements.

Rahu and Ketu are difficult planets and they require a keen
observation and study in everyone's life. They are known as our
karmic planets and are best handled with adequate dollops of care.
The appearance of Rahu, according to myth, is one without a body.
So Rahu is only a head and whatever is fed to Rahu cannot be
assimilated in the body. Hence, Rahu creates insatiable desire for
more.. and more.

Ketu is the severed body of Rahu. So Ketu is one who has no
head. The significance with Ketu is one of delay and all matters
related to the unknown. A face provides an identity and Ketu is
faceless. It will not be difficult to relate to basic traits triggered by
Ketu in the light of this basic information.

The transit of these two karmic planets have changed in February
2005. I have  elaborated the broad effects of these transit changes,
in the Vedic Sky article of February and the current month. These
are broad outlines - so to provide our members with a fine tuned
analysis of the effects of these planets, with a custom view of each
horoscope, we will release a few interesting new reports in the next
few days. Watch out for our announcement.

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This time I would like to present vedic sky of March,

Welcome to March Vedic Sky.

This is the time of the year when winter finally calls back its cold winds
and the cool spring fills the earth with flowers. There is a happy spirit as
the Sun shines brighter.

The planets in the sky decree many kinds of changes, some favorable
some bring in foreboding of doom, but human's are endowed with such
blessings from the powers above that they march ahead in their karmic
journey, with their head held and a heart full of optimism. So what I will
now write should just be your information for caution or opportunity and
not a deterrent to your impetus. The present configuration in the sky
should be considered as a way of life as these elements are a part of
creation and not a destructive power.

Now let us see how the luminaries are faring.

Sun is transiting in Aquarius and will move from Aquarius to Pisces on
15th March 2005. Last two months Sun has been in his enemy's sign
Saturn. Once it comes to Pisces, the sign of Jupiter, generally people will
find inner peace and resolved with themselves, as Sun signifies our soul.

Moon Starts its journey from Libra and will come back to Libra on 28th
March. The New Moon will be on 10th when Sun and Moon will exactly
conjoin in Aquarius.

Mercury will move out of Aquarius and will enter Pisces on 2nd March.
Mercury will become retrograde in Pisces on 20th March. This is the
first time Mercury will be retrograde this year. This may cause all kinds
of communication disruptions and computer troubles.

Venus will move from Aquarius on 17th March 2005 and will enter
Pisces, its exaltation sign on 18th March. Pisces the sign of Jupiter is
considered the sign of exaltation for Venus because in this sign the
intense love and passion signified by Jupiter, gets matured with Jupiter's
wisdom. Venus becomes like matured wine. From passion in our
relationship we can now transcendent to find bliss in our relationship.

Mars moves from Sagittarius to Capricorn on 13th March. This is the
sign of exaltation for Mars. We will be able to focus our action towards
concrete results. We will become more pragmatic and result-oriented.

Jupiter remains retrograde in Virgo!

Saturn remains retrograde in Gemini and will become direct on 22nd
March 2005. Saturn has been delaying things and creating obstacles for
last two months. But Saturn never denies and Saturn will now open door
for all of us finally with Mars and Venus exalted. This is going to be a
great month and finally winters will be over and spring comes in with all
its color and splendor.

Rahu/Ketu have also changed their signs from Aries to Libra. They will
now enter Pisces and Virgo. Good news for people who had Aries/Libra
as their 1st/ 7th house axis or 4th/ 10th house axis; scope for peace and
harmony for them in their career and love front. However, the stock
market is likely to reverse its current trend.

Though it is hardly possible to state all that astrology depicts for this
month, I wish to point out one particular aspect of astrology. The
predictions about the planets mean something different for each one of
us; in favor they seem good, in doom let them not become redundant, the
purpose of astrology is to show the way but it is for us to open our eyes
wide and see the way.

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9TH HOUSE MATTERS
==================
We have been discussing the matters of the 9th house. To continue
on this subject, let's examine the various aspects of this house; a
house that primarily stands for 'dharma'. Let us consider some
examples of the possible spiritual inclinations as depicted by
positions and combinations of planets in this house.

- If Sun is in a friendly sign in the 9th house, one does many
   righteous deeds and one is inclined towards them as well.
- The 5th lord and Mercury in the 9th house make one devotee
    of God.
- When Venus is located in the 9th house, one gets a guru and
    is a devotee of God.
- Rahu in the 9th house generally gives a fanatical outlook and
    it is not       conducive for a righteous life.
- Afflicted Rahu in the 9th is unfavorable for spiritual progress
    as the person becomes a split personality; preaching
    something while practicing something quite different.

Let us now see the implications of the different Rashis (moon sign)
in the 9th house.

Effects of the 9th House in Various Rashis or Moon Signs
============================================

Aries - The person is free from enemies in life. He or she is
fortunate, religious and does many virtuous deeds.

Taurus - The person is very fond of luxury items such as good
food, high living style, ornaments. The person is also religious and
charitable.

Gemini - The person is respectful of elders and suave. He or she
enjoys religious inclinations and is good natured.

Cancer - The person may settle abroad. There may be many
pilgrimages and travels. Higher education is good.

Leo - The person may suffer from too much of ego. Religious
inclinations may see too many confusions and obstacles.

Virgo - The person may be of unstable nature. There may be too
many hurdles in life and fortunes. A wavering mind may cause
upheavals in life.

Libra - This is a good signature and the person earns name and
fame. He or she may be very religious and charitable and enjoy
great prosperity in life.


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We are an astrology site from india interested in sharing some articles
with you. As a first mail ,Let us start the article on the 9th house. It is a
very auspicious house and can match up to the ascendant in terms of
auspicious result. When the Ascendant is low or afflicted, it is the 9th
house that holds the pilot's power to reach great heights of success.

It is the house of Dharma,"the law of one's nature"; the ideal of one's
being. Astrologers judge the prime values of the person from this house,
how one fares at temptations of lower kind. It is the house of religion
that also displays our ideals and ethics. This house is also known as the
house of the father and father's fate can be known from this house.

It is held as a very important factor of a horoscope as the condition of
this house also depicts our destiny, luck and grace without which life can
be always a hard and uphill climb. This house can give sudden and
unexpected gains in life. people with certain astrological conditions of
the 9th house win lotteries or speculative deals.

Finally the most important factor of this house is, it gives power, honor
and prestige in life of conventional and beneficial kind. This house is the
subtle connection between the material and the metaphysical. A
successful person is not always a saint yet can be of a nature that abides
by the law of nature and society. It relates to the deeper and more
philosophical side of the mind and when clubbed with a graceful Moon
can bring a rare emotional balance in the person.

One should be well aware of all the matters related to the 9th house as
this knowledge can give the impetus to use the grace in a beneficial way.
It is very easy to waste it in useless indulgences.

When we judge a horoscope and find that there is difficulty in enhancing
planets relating to some other house, we address the 9th house lord and
enhance it with a Gem or Yantra.

The karaka or significator of this house is Jupiter and Sun. in mundane
terms this house is viewed to predict matters related to father and fortune
in general. This house also shows long distance travel, matters pertaining
to foreign land, sudden prosperity, faith and fore sight.

You can discern from the significators, Jupiter and Sun that there is
connection with the inner meaning of life. Sun is the life force the father
while Jupiter is the Guru (teacher) and relates to wisdom.A strong 9th
house and 9th lord can mean happy married life with harmonious spouse
children and wealth. The person can be generous and wise and may do
many good and charitable deeds. The gain is preordained as fortune is
always in favor. Benefic's aspect on the 9th house paves the way to easy
fame and fortune and similarly malefic's aspect makes life full of
struggle for success and recognition. Just as a healthy and strong Sun
gives one's potential the chance to evolve, 9th house lord gives blessings
that the person has earned through the karmic journey.  It is difficult for
a person to understand how one can do a good deed as the very thought
that ' I am doing' a great deed is egoistical in nature. So what a person
does naturally and without expectations directly or indirectly earns the
positive points. It is also the house of selflessness and yet the house that
also charts our prime responsibilities in life. A person who has
responsibilities to attend to cannot ignore them and pursue a path (even if
it leads to spirituality) finally brings doom to other lives and his karma is
not positive.  This is the reason why this house is connected to father.

YAJNA FOR WISH FULFILMENT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Belief in God, irrespective of astrology is common to almost all. What is
the nature of God, whether He/she signifies wealth/health/success etc is
never important at the final moment. When we act in a devotional
manner and perform worship, this act is good enough. As for asking God
for something, which many consider as 'not done', need not be so. If we
are in want and God is our protector our parent 'there are no dos and
don'ts associated. If there is a requirement in our life, and we do not
place it as an appeal before the supreme power only shows that we are
not receptive and open to Him. There is nothing that can be hidden from
him as He/she is 'Sat-cit-ananda', ie eternal Existence- Consciousness-
Bliss. Whether you choose to keep your soul open and inviting is your
prerogative but as such not asking for a favor does not mean that God is
not aware of your need or desire. Nothing can ever be hidden from God,
so let us all be open and inviting. Let there be joy in our heart and we lay
our heart as an open book at God's feet to receive Divine blessing.

The powerful ritual based on the principles of sonic energy generated by
constant chanting and repetition, Sri Rudram Yajna will be held on 27-
Feb-2005 by a group of 12 experienced priests belonging to the Tamil
school of the South Indian Vedic tradition.

The mantras and chants associated with this Yajna have been practiced
and perfected over the years in praise of Lord Shiva, the embodiment of
OM, the root of the existing and the non-existing.

He is the epitome of regeneration; the protector of Jeeva (living beings)
the deity for kali Yuga( current times). Parvati or Durga his consort is
known as the universal mother, Devi, the ruling deity of the planets
Moon, Venus, Saturn & Rahu.Please join in this traditional ceremony
and let your wishes and dreams transform into reality and make this
event a success as well.

Visit the Ceremony Page at to hear the mesmerizing chants of Sri
Rudram:
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To enlist for this unique ceremony to be conducted by an experienced
group of 12 priests, follow the links on this page or simply click on the
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(Copy this link to your browser in case of any problem)


With Regards,

CyberAstro Astrologer

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Thank you John,
I've corrected and added the references you sent.
Best wishes from the Astrofaces project


--- Anarchist University
<johngilbertpttraverse@...> wrote:
> Hi astrolfaces,
>
> Perhaps I wasn't clear when I wrote to you a few
> years ago.
> You website refers to me in your -
> "Historical Notes":
>
> "In the 1970's Astrologers Edith Wangemann & Hans
> Stein depicted an
> artist's interpretations of the "planetary effects
> on facial
> appearance" on page 405 of their book 'Recent
> Advances in Natal
> Astrology'.
> Thanks to astrology enthusiast John Gilbert for the
> notification."
>  --end of quote--
>
> I you wish to expand and correct a few things,
> please feel free to
> select all or parts of my blurb below. Readers
> should try to find a
> copy of the book and get a copy delivered to you, if
> you don't have
> a copy now.
> I'm now at johngilbertpttraverse@... - or
> anarchistuniversityOn_ca@...
>
> Corrections for your Historical Notes:
> Re: The German artist Hans Stein's sketches of
> "PLANETARY EFFECTS ON
> FACIAL APPEARANCES" on page 405 of 'Recent Advances
> in Natal
> Astrology'. This book is subtitled "A CRITICAL
> REVIEW 1900-1976";
> and this book was
> - compiled by Geoffrey Dean PhD DIC ARCS analitical
> chemist, science
> writer and astrogoger, Perth Western Australia.
> - assisted by Arthur Mather BSc MIInfSc geologist
> information
> scientist astrologer and Research Co-ordinator of
> the Astrological
> Association, Cowes England.
> - Twenty four collaborators on the entire text
> include Robert Hand
> John Addey and Baldur Ebertin.
>
> I had intended to tell you that the German
> astrologer Edith
> Wangemann was a separate topic when I first wrote to
> astrolfaces.
> Wangemann was in part, investigating (page 408)
> facial appearance
> and chart rectification.
>
> A quote from page 400 - "artist-astrologers, eg 7,
> 10, 34, 76, 82.
> Most of the latter have been collected by
> Matthews_87"
>
> A quote from page 446 - "...that appeared in
> Beruhmte Kopfe ('Famous
> Heads' a book published in 1959 by
> Bertelsmann-Verlag, which
> contains photographs and birth dates for 3200 famous
> men and women)
> and ..."
>
> Best wishes,
> John Gilbert
>




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Hi astrolfaces,

Perhaps I wasn't clear when I wrote to you a few years ago.
You website refers to me in your -
"Historical Notes":

"In the 1970's Astrologers Edith Wangemann & Hans Stein depicted an
artist's interpretations of the "planetary effects on facial
appearance" on page 405 of their book 'Recent Advances in Natal
Astrology'.
Thanks to astrology enthusiast John Gilbert for the notification."
  --end of quote--

I you wish to expand and correct a few things, please feel free to
select all or parts of my blurb below. Readers should try to find a
copy of the book and get a copy delivered to you, if you don't have
a copy now.
I'm now at johngilbertpttraverse@... - or
anarchistuniversityOn_ca@...

Corrections for your Historical Notes:
Re: The German artist Hans Stein's sketches of "PLANETARY EFFECTS ON
FACIAL APPEARANCES" on page 405 of 'Recent Advances in Natal
Astrology'. This book is subtitled "A CRITICAL REVIEW 1900-1976";
and this book was
- compiled by Geoffrey Dean PhD DIC ARCS analitical chemist, science
writer and astrogoger, Perth Western Australia.
- assisted by Arthur Mather BSc MIInfSc geologist information
scientist astrologer and Research Co-ordinator of the Astrological
Association, Cowes England.
- Twenty four collaborators on the entire text include Robert Hand
John Addey and Baldur Ebertin.

I had intended to tell you that the German astrologer Edith
Wangemann was a separate topic when I first wrote to astrolfaces.
Wangemann was in part, investigating (page 408) facial appearance
and chart rectification.

A quote from page 400 - "artist-astrologers, eg 7, 10, 34, 76, 82.
Most of the latter have been collected by Matthews_87"

A quote from page 446 - "...that appeared in Beruhmte Kopfe ('Famous
Heads' a book published in 1959 by Bertelsmann-Verlag, which
contains photographs and birth dates for 3200 famous men and women)
and ..."

Best wishes,
John Gilbert

Hi,

I was in a discussion with others about the astrofaces research
project. Some who had uploaded their pics, did not see a
resemblance with their S,M,R cohorts. I got to thinking that
maybe it would be interesting to break the Sun, Moon, and
Rising categories into decans and couple this with facial
recognition software to see if this accounts for variability among
faces.

A decan of the rising sign might be especially revealing since it
rules physical appearance and first impressions.

My rising sign ruler is Venus but my decan sub-ruler is Saturn.

As the site says, it's hard to make a judgement based on just
one picture. But I got to thinking about the picture I had
submitted. Although you only see my head, I'm actually wearing a
coat which I feel shows my reserved nature (Saturn). I may look
Venusian to some but I think I actually give off a very Saturnian
vibe.

What do folks think about decans?

Anyway, great to be here in this new group.

Catherine