Jens Wilkinson wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...>
wrote:
>>> I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
>>> to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
>>> between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
>>>
>> This one though is very distinction having little to do with passive or
>> active. "See" and "hear" are sensory but "look" and "listen" are mental
>> processes. In fact they could all be combined into a word for "mind" or
>> "pay attention to".
>>
>
> Even in English, though, there are cases where it becomes ambiguous,
> or rather where you can use either. You can say both "I'm going to go
> see that painting" and "I'm going to go look at that painting." With
> "see" we are really meaning "look at," aren't we? Or maybe we are both
> seeing and looking at it?
There is overlap. You can't look without seeing, but you can see
without looking. If I say "look" or "listen" though, what I'm really
doing is trying to call your attention to something, using different
words to further direct you to which sense you'll need.
Kjell Rehnström wrote:
> <deinx nxtxr> skrev:
>> From CONLANG
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> From: Roger Mills <...>
>>
>> Here's something that might be of interest, posted today on Cybalist.
>>
>> Looking at Indonesian, I'm a little bit skeptical; they claim loan
>> status for several words that can be regularly derived from Proto
>> Malayo-Polynesian.... And several (like 'kartu pos' = postcard) are
>> called "probably not borrowed"-- but both terms are given elsewhere as
>> "clearly borrowed"-- possibly they mean that it's a natively formed
>> compound/calque, hence not directly borrowed?? I don't know :-((((
>>
> Höhö! Perhaps it is a loan from Esperanto "poŝtokarto"! Er, on a more
> serious note. Doesn't Dutch have something like German Post and Karte?
> Given, of course, postcard is the intended word.
Most European language have variants of "post" (poste, posta, poshta,
pochta, ...) and "card" (carte, carta, karte, karta, ...) ISTR Dutch
being soemthing like "postkaartje"
lingwadeplaneta wrote:
> --- In auxlang@yahoogroups.com, Zeinelabidin Elhassi <zar_di_albadino@...>
wrote:
>> bagsis tip Tibetan,Arabic,Malay
>
> Also Turkish bahshish. Is it wrong to use it also for "bribe"?
I heard "bakshish" used throughout S. Asia, the Middle East and parts of
the Mediterranean so yes, it's fairly well known but it's considered
customary in those cultures, so it's not really pejorative like
"bribery" is.
FWIW: Deini uses "bakssiss" [bakSiS] but it's also extended to mean
"tip", which is really type of bribery.
--- In auxlang@yahoogroups.com, steve rice <ansric@...> wrote:
>
> --- On Mon, 2/8/10, lingwadeplaneta <lingwadeplaneta@...> wrote:
>
> > Yes there is. Often I am looking wihout seeing, although
> > sometimes I see even without looking. How will you translate
> > this sentence if you have only one verb?
>
> Ofen mi trayen ta si witaut sien
I got it as "Often I try to see without looking", i.e. try to see without using
eyes (there are some exercises like that for actors).
Sure one can use "can see" for "see" and "try to see" for "look", it just means
that one will often use two verbs instead of one.
--- On Mon, 2/8/10, lingwadeplaneta <lingwadeplaneta@...> wrote:
> Yes there is. Often I am looking wihout seeing, although
> sometimes I see even without looking. How will you translate
> this sentence if you have only one verb?
Ofen mi trayen ta si witaut sien, bat ada taim mi si witaut trayen [sien].
So there!
Steve
And I hope you like my
>addition.
>
>
Of course, we like it !
>
>had borderline,boundary Arabic,Oriya,Malay,Gujarati
>bagsis tip Tibetan,Arabic,Malay
Indeed, an international word; French has "bakchich". I think it became
international thanks to the practice of the Ottoman officials to be paid
a "gracious" bribe everytime one wanted to obtain something from them.
At the beginning, I suppose this word was not linked to corruption. Another
widespread word pertaining to corruption is "rushwat".
>cabza hilt of a sword Tibetan,Arabic
>caber grave Tibetan,Arabic,Malay
>dauat inkstand Pahari,Arabic,Malay
>galti to make a mistake Pahari,Arabic,Malay
>varis heir Hindi,Arabic
>zabah to slaughter Hindi,Arabic
>zalam to tyrannize Arabic,Hindi,Harari
>saraf to change money Amharic,Arabic
I have "saraf" as "money-changer"
>daim always Harari,Arabic,Malay
In sambahsa, "dayim" means "constantly".
>wasia last will Harari,Arabic,Malay
>camus dictionary Somali,Arabic
"kamus" = "rpertoire" in Sambahsa. This word comes from Old
Greek "okeanos".
>midad ink Somali,Arabic
>adat habit Bengali,Arabic,Malay
"Adet" in Sambahsa
>seter white veil of muslim women Gurage,Arabic
>murjan red coral Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>lacab nickname Hausa,Arabic,Malay
"Lakab" in Sambahsa
>hisab account, calculations Turkish , Urdu , Arabic
"Hissab" in Sambahsa
Olivier
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/
Sellamat Zein !
That's a great job ! Shukran !
>hadar townsman Berber,Arabic
>jamaha a group of notables Berber,Arabic
>rahil nomadic migration Berber,Arabic
>tagbilt tribe Berber,Arabic
>urf customary tribal law Berber,Arabic
>wazir minister Hausa,Arabic,Malay
Of course, this is the origin of "vizir" in French (I don't remember if this
word
comes from Persian)
>sahel shore Hausa,Arabic
>tamir date Somali,Arabic
>ruh soul Swahili,Arabic
>cafan shourd Hausa,Arabic,Malay
Sambahsa has "kafan" too.
>majlis council chamber Hausa,Arabic,Malay
And it is "salle des assembles" in Sambahsa !
>mizan scale Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>azin to permit Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>nia to intend Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>asas basis Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>bab chapter of a book Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>fard obligatory duty Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>hadir to be present Arabic,Malay
>haiba dignified appearance Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>hila craftiness Hausa,Arabic,Malay
Sambahsa has it too.
>harf letter of the alphabet Hausa,Arabic,Malay
Sambahsa has "harif" for "caractre, lettre"
>cafas cage Spanish,Arabic
Remember German "Kfig". I suspect this word is older than Arabic.
>anoria irrigation wheels Spanish,Arabic
In French, it is "noria".
>arasif wharf Spanish,Arabic
>soteha flat roof Spanish,Arabic
>wacida match "fire" Spanish,Arabic
>mud a measure for grain Spanish,Arabic
French has "muid" from Latin "modius" = "measure". Is this a new case
of "mirror" word ?
Olivier
http://sambahsa.pbworks.com/
I posted (although it seems not to have taken!) the following to the Novial discussion group. It may be of interest to this group as well. Please note that since then I have added the rest of the A-P part and begun on the Q-Y part; up to R has been posted as of this moment.
Some time ago I noted that Don Blaheta's online version of the NL had some problems: with some web browsers, the accented letters turned into Chinese characters, and there are a few typos which, since Don is no longer actively involved, won't get fixed. At the time I proposed to mae a leaned up copy, and I did so as a set of Google documents, made public so anyone could access it. At the time someonr told me they had already done the latter part of the alphabet, and suggested I just do A-to-P.
I don't know what happened to the Q-to-Y part, but I think it would be better to have the wholedictionary in one place, so I intend to complete it now. I also intend to do some further transformations to remedy two problems with the NL as originally designed:
The very abbreviated format makes automated searching difficult. This may have been necessary in 1930 to keep the publishing coat down (and with no computers and search engines in the world!) but it needs to be remedied now.
The dictionary only works in one direction: Novial to English/French/German. This means that to go the other way one needs to do a search to find the English (say) and find the page that has it. And coupled with the previous point, this can be an impossible task.
At first I will have only the NL in the original form, but the other files to remedy these problems will follow. I have started with Don's pages, and A to P (as I said) were put up as Google docs that were publicly accessible. (The rest are already in Google doc form, but not accessible.) I spent a lot of time on a-to-P getting the format right, but in the process I introduced some typographical errors, and I'm now fixing these, as far as I can spot them.
I have now relocated the site, taking it out of Google document form so I have a bit more control of the HTML. The online NL is now available on my ViewsOfLanguage site -- so far only partially, but with the rest to come:
--- In auxlang@yahoogroups.com, Zeinelabidin Elhassi <zar_di_albadino@...>
wrote:
>
> bagsis tip Tibetan,Arabic,Malay
Also Turkish bahshish. Is it wrong to use it also for "bribe"?
I suppose it's good publicity for auxlangs, but this article is linguistically
dubious. For example:
Kairdiff -- is this how you say "Cardiff" in Esperanto??
Placegas al mi -- missing hat
Kaaardifa Blaaazona Paaarko -- why all the triple a's??
Cu ni -- missing hat
Apud kie trovigas -- missing hat
mi faros gin nun -- missing hat
This really doesn't show Esp in its best light. What a shame all those
charmingly quirky daft hats could not be displayed.
And another thing: the testimony from the band The Automatic sounds like a
scripted propaganda piece written by Espists. Lead singers in bands don't talk
like that. Or if they do, then I certainly don't want to hear any of their
music..
Recente, enretigesis plusa numeri anciena dil revuo "Cosmoglotta, tote skribita
en Occidental/Interlingue: 4 "Supplement" di 1927, ed omna numeri di 1928.
http://www.interlingue.org/cmg/index.html
(Partaka)
<deinx nxtxr> skrev:
> From CONLANG
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Roger Mills <...>
>
> Here's something that might be of interest, posted today on Cybalist.
>
> Looking at Indonesian, I'm a little bit skeptical; they claim loan
> status for several words that can be regularly derived from Proto
> Malayo-Polynesian.... And several (like 'kartu pos' = postcard) are
> called "probably not borrowed"-- but both terms are given elsewhere as
> "clearly borrowed"-- possibly they mean that it's a natively formed
> compound/calque, hence not directly borrowed?? I don't know :-((((
>
Höhö! Perhaps it is a loan from Esperanto "poŝtokarto"! Er, on a more
serious note. Doesn't Dutch have something like German Post and Karte?
Given, of course, postcard is the intended word.
Kjell R
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
>> to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
>> between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
>>
>
> This one though is very distinction having little to do with passive or
> active. "See" and "hear" are sensory but "look" and "listen" are mental
> processes. In fact they could all be combined into a word for "mind" or
> "pay attention to".
>
Even in English, though, there are cases where it becomes ambiguous,
or rather where you can use either. You can say both "I'm going to go
see that painting" and "I'm going to go look at that painting." With
"see" we are really meaning "look at," aren't we? Or maybe we are both
seeing and looking at it?
--
Jens Wilkinson
Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:31 PM, MacLeod Dave <mithradates@...> wrote:
>>
>> Yes there is. Often I am looking wihout seeing, although sometimes I see even
without looking. How will you translate this sentence if you have only one verb?
>
> Let's expand on this: how does one translate Korean hyeong (older
> brother for a man)? In Korean it's very important to know whether
> someone is your hyeong or dongsaeng (younger) or donggap (same age).
> Does a Korean have to say "older brother of a man" each and every
> time?
>
Presumably, yes, although I think it could easily be left out once the
fact is clear. One thing that is important to remember, though, is
that Koreans will not the IAL to communicate with other Koreans, they
will use Koreans. So it's only in the context of international
communications that the distinction will become a bit more
"mendokusai" than normal. There are lots of cultures (maybe Korean is
among them) where there are different words for maternal and paternal
grandparents, for example. Chinese is definitely a case like that. But
when Chinese are communicating with other Chinese, they will use
Chinese language so it won't be much of a burden that when they are
communicating in an IAL, they will have to specify. Even today, when
speaking in English they have to do it because we don't have the
distinction. Japanese have to say "my older brother" or "younger
brother" in English.
Now, if the IAL becomes a universal L1, then the situation is
completely different. Then I think you would need all these different
terms.
--
Jens Wilkinson
Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:46 AM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
Jens Wilkinson wrote:
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
There is still a big difference because "look" and "listen" specifically
involve a focus of attention on a sight or sound. Maybe there could be a
word simply for the act of mental focus that covers all of these without
linking it to particular sense.
I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
This one though is very distinction having little to do with passive or active. "See" and "hear" are sensory but "look" and "listen" are mental processes. In fact they could all be combined into a word for "mind" or "pay attention to".
But note how people interpret these words differently, even in this thread:
casual: "I saw a dog." with intent: "I saw a dog but I didn't look at it." with understanding: "I saw a dog, and I looked at it, but I didn't SEE it."
I'm not sure we're all agreed on which semantics these various forms are carrying.
--- On Sun, 2/7/10, Larry Sulky <larrysulky@...> wrote:
> Hmmm.... I think you're right,
> Steve. It's a matter of degree, not of kind, and can be
> readily expressed with additional verbiage or rephrasing if
> necessary, as we do in English. I think Qakwan's
> distinction is going to pass into history.
>
I thought of a related item: when speaking of a poem, for example, you can use
koni (etc.) to say you're acquainted with it or scii (etc.) to say you know it
by heart. (In any case this works in the Romance languages and thus probably in
the main auxlangs.)
In Inlis I think I'd use
Mi du noen da poem = general knowledge/familiarity
Mi du lital noen da poem = acquaintance/heard of it
Mi du total noen da poem = complete knowledge, memorization
or simply
Mi du lanin da poem = learning = memorization (or you could add memari to be
annoyingly specific)
So why not
Mi du lanin hi
not in the colloquial sense of teaching him a lesson (I l'arned him!) but
meaning "I've learned/memorized him [and know what he's like]"? It would mean
about the same thing as the "total noen" option.
Steve
Jens Wilkinson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:40 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...>
wrote:
>
>> World Loanword Database (WOLD)
>>
>> The World Loanword Database (WOLD), edited by Martin Haspelmath and Uri
>> Tadmor, is a scientific publication by the Max Planck Digital Library,
>> Munich (2009).
>>
>
> Thanks, that's a great resource. It's cool to look around to see what
> words are frequently borrowed and which are not.
There are some on Conlang attacking some of its credibility but I though
it would be a help to worllangers.
Jens Wilkinson wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...>
wrote:
>
>
>> There is still a big difference because "look" and "listen" specifically
>> involve a focus of attention on a sight or sound. Maybe there could be a
>> word simply for the act of mental focus that covers all of these without
>> linking it to particular sense.
>>
>
> I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
> to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
> between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
>
This one though is very distinction having little to do with passive or
active. "See" and "hear" are sensory but "look" and "listen" are mental
processes. In fact they could all be combined into a word for "mind" or
"pay attention to".
Zeinelabidin Elhassi wrote:
> But if you want to say "I know his intentions ,and I won't buy his lies" ,then
> you say "I am acquainted with this type" (I know this type. "of people")
and steve rice wrote:
> Wau! Mi *fil* noen da dea-an!
> where the second implies something more visceral or intuitive.
Thank you! This is the kind of solutions I was looking for. A
different way could be to use a common verb in a figurative sense, for
instance "I see that guy" (meaning I see through him), which should be
clear enough in the context.
2010/2/8 lingwadeplaneta <lingwadeplaneta@...>:
> --- In auxlang@yahoogroups.com, Jens Wilkinson <jenswilkinson@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > There is still a big difference because "look" and "listen" specifically
>> > involve a focus of attention on a sight or sound. Maybe there could be a
>> > word simply for the act of mental focus that covers all of these without
>> > linking it to particular sense.
>> >
>>
>> I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
>> to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
>> between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
>>
>
> Yes there is. Often I am looking wihout seeing, although sometimes I see even
without looking. How will you translate this sentence if you have only one verb?
Let's expand on this: how does one translate Korean hyeong (older
brother for a man)? In Korean it's very important to know whether
someone is your hyeong or dongsaeng (younger) or donggap (same age).
Does a Korean have to say "older brother of a man" each and every
time?
--
http://www.pagef30.com
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, lingwadeplaneta
<lingwadeplaneta@...> wrote:
>>
>
> Yes there is. Often I am looking wihout seeing, although sometimes I see even
without looking. How will you translate this sentence if you have only one verb?
>
> For a long time we in LdP had only "audi", both for hear and listen. It's
still there, but also a more specific verb "slu" has appeared, for cases when
attentive listening is involved, for example medical auscultation or when a
beast listens to noises of the forest, trying to hear something.
>
I admit it's a bit tricky. Since Japanese doesn't have two words, the
sentence would also require some circumlocution. So I would suggest
something like this in Neo Patwa:
Tokitoki, mi nuli gani, lekin no sabe gani. Tokitoki, mi no nuli gani,
lekin sabe gani.
Literally, it means:
Sometimes, I try see, but no can see. Sometimes, I no try see, but can see.
I admit it's a bit clumsy, but I think it can work. Incidentally, it
appears even clumsier in Japanese, a living language, though of course
to Japanese speakers it isn't clumsy at all.
--
Jens Wilkinson
Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
--- In auxlang@yahoogroups.com, Jens Wilkinson <jenswilkinson@...> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
>
>
> > There is still a big difference because "look" and "listen" specifically
> > involve a focus of attention on a sight or sound. Maybe there could be a
> > word simply for the act of mental focus that covers all of these without
> > linking it to particular sense.
> >
>
> I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
> to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
> between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
>
Yes there is. Often I am looking wihout seeing, although sometimes I see even
without looking. How will you translate this sentence if you have only one verb?
For a long time we in LdP had only "audi", both for hear and listen. It's still
there, but also a more specific verb "slu" has appeared, for cases when
attentive listening is involved, for example medical auscultation or when a
beast listens to noises of the forest, trying to hear something.
Dmitry
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:40 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
> World Loanword Database (WOLD)
>
> The World Loanword Database (WOLD), edited by Martin Haspelmath and Uri
> Tadmor, is a scientific publication by the Max Planck Digital Library,
> Munich (2009).
>
Thanks, that's a great resource. It's cool to look around to see what
words are frequently borrowed and which are not.
--
Jens Wilkinson
Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:34 PM, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
> There is still a big difference because "look" and "listen" specifically
> involve a focus of attention on a sight or sound. Maybe there could be a
> word simply for the act of mental focus that covers all of these without
> linking it to particular sense.
>
I know there's a difference, but don't understand why it's important
to express that difference. Is there ever really a need to distinguish
between concentrated looking versus passive seeing?
--
Jens Wilkinson
Neo Patwa (patwa.pbwiki.com)
<deinx nxtxr> wrote:
> Larry Sulky wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, M.S. Soderquist
>> <gloriouswaffle@...>wrote:
>>
>>> Larry Sulky wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, M.S. Soderquist
>>> <gloriouswaffle@...<mailto:
>>>> gloriouswaffle@...>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey King wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "nabo" means "hub", or "nub"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would have guess "turnip"... Darn you, interference from
>>>> Spanish! Darn you to heck!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Watch your language, young lady! This is a family listserver! >-(
>>>>
>>> You're right. I meant, "I would have guessed." I didn't mean to expose
>>> anyone's family to my bad grammar. Darn you, typos! Darn you to heck!
>>>
>>> Mia The Foul-mouthed Cretin
>>>
>>
>> That's a heck of a lot better. Hmmph!
>> --- Lawrence the Mollified
>
> Sheesh, and golly gosh darn it!
> --- Dana the Unashamed.
>
I remember an episode of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" in which
Captain Picard actually swore. He said "merde"!
I suppose that it was deemed acceptable by the US television network
because most Americans don't know French.
I wonder how that was handled in France...
Larry Sulky wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:53 AM, M.S. Soderquist
> <gloriouswaffle@...>wrote:
>
>> Larry Sulky wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 9:25 AM, M.S. Soderquist
<gloriouswaffle@...<mailto:
>>> gloriouswaffle@...>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Geoffrey King wrote:
>>>
>>> "nabo" means "hub", or "nub"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would have guess "turnip"... Darn you, interference from
>>> Spanish! Darn you to heck!
>>>
>>>
>>> Watch your language, young lady! This is a family listserver! >-(
>>>
>> You're right. I meant, "I would have guessed." I didn't mean to expose
>> anyone's family to my bad grammar. Darn you, typos! Darn you to heck!
>>
>> Mia The Foul-mouthed Cretin
>>
>
> That's a heck of a lot better. Hmmph!
> --- Lawrence the Mollified
Sheesh, and golly gosh darn it!
--- Dana the Unashamed.
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, <deinx nxtxr> <deinx.nxtxr@...> wrote:
> steve rice wrote:
> > Still close enough. Looking is intentional; seeing may
> be
> > unintentional. Otherwise they're the same thing. And
> to bring this
> > back around, a mir-ror is a "looking glass." Mnemonics
> are often
> > nonsense if you take them too seriously.
>
> There is still a big difference because "look" and "listen"
> specifically involve a focus of attention on a sight or
> sound. Maybe there could be a word simply for the act
> of mental focus that covers all of these without linking it
> to particular sense.
In Inlis you would probably just say, "Mi trayen ta si/hir..." I may make a
separate form ?inten for intention, including intentionally seeing or hearing,
and I may eventually introduce ?lukin and ?lis[e]nin, but they shouldn't be
necessary for beginners.
Steve
As a courtesy I am forwarding this post and have explained by private
email what the problem is. (The server is very literal-minded and
expects posts to come from exactly what email address was used to
subscribe.)
Paul Bartlett
AUXLANG Listowner/Moderator
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:24:34 +0000
Subject: Rejected posting
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:From: "Pat & Bill Chapman" <patbillchapman@...>
To: International Auxiliary Languages <AUXLANG@...>
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 14:20:46 +0000
Subject: Re: BBC radio program on constructed languages
In fact various local and regional sections of the BBC have been fairly
generous to Esperanto in recent months. Take a look, for example, at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8501196.stm
The gathering of twenty young Esperanto speakers in Cardiff this weekend has
clearly caught the eye of the BBC. No other contructed auxiliary language
gets a look in here.
In fact, Wales seems to be a growth area for Esperanto at the moment. The
first ever introduction to Esperanto Welsh (36 pages) is due to be published
on St David's Day.
--
Pat and Bill Chapman,
8 Vardre View, Deganwy, Conwy, LL31 9TE
patbillchapman@...
On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 19:52:59 -0000, lingwadeplaneta
<lingwadeplaneta@...> wrote:
>--- In auxlang@yahoogroups.com, Zeinelabidin Elhassi <zar_di_albadino@...>
wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 08:35:29 -0500, Zeinelabidin Elhassi
>> <zar_di_albadino@...> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 5 Feb 2010 14:35:54 +0900, Jens Wilkinson
>> ><jenswilkinson@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > This is actually something I tried to use in Neo Patwa,
>> >>for example Arabic loanwords in Spanish, or Spanish loanwords in
>> >>Tagalog. If I can find Arabic loanwords in Spanish and then in
>> >>Tagalog, then this is a great bonus.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >I had researched the national library in Benghazi (Alsadeq Alnayhoom
Library)
>> >And I have collected the most important Arabic loan words that are
spread in
>> >many languages like Hausa, Spanish, Malay, Swahili Bengali, Pahari and
many
>> >others .
>>
>>
>> The website given by Dana is good and reliable. In some languages it gives
>> extensive informations. The website doesn't contain all languages that
borrow
>> from Arabic. So I can add the following to the website , And I hope you like
my
>> addition.
>>
>> had borderline,boundary Arabic,Oriya,Malay,Gujarati
>> bagsis tip Tibetan,Arabic,Malay
>> cabza hilt of a sword Tibetan,Arabic
>> caber grave Tibetan,Arabic,Malay
>> dauat inkstand Pahari,Arabic,Malay
>> galti to make a mistake Pahari,Arabic,Malay
>> varis heir Hindi,Arabic
>> zabah to slaughter Hindi,Arabic
>> zalam to tyrannize Arabic,Hindi,Harari
>> saraf to change money Amharic,Arabic
>> daim always Harari,Arabic,Malay
>> wasia last will Harari,Arabic,Malay
>> camus dictionary Somali,Arabic
>> midad ink Somali,Arabic
>> adat habit Bengali,Arabic,Malay
>> seter white veil of muslim women Gurage,Arabic
>> murjan red coral Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>> lacab nickname Hausa,Arabic,Malay
>> hisab account, calculations Turkish , Urdu , Arabic
>>
>>
>> Zein.
>>
>
>Shukran, very interesting. Give more if there is more to add.
>
>Dmitry
Yes. I have more to add ,but what is left is the loanwords that are present in
Swahili , Spanish, Berber and Hausa. And loanwords from these languages you
can find them easily on the website given by Dana. So in my previous message
I mentioned only the loanwords that are not available on the website. Now I
will give you the rest of what I have extracted from the books.
hadar townsman Berber,Arabic
jamaha a group of notables Berber,Arabic
rahil nomadic migration Berber,Arabic
tagbilt tribe Berber,Arabic
urf customary tribal law Berber,Arabic
wazir minister Hausa,Arabic,Malay
sahel shore Hausa,Arabic
tamir date Somali,Arabic
ruh soul Swahili,Arabic
cafan shourd Hausa,Arabic,Malay
majlis council chamber Hausa,Arabic,Malay
mizan scale Hausa,Arabic,Malay
azin to permit Hausa,Arabic,Malay
nia to intend Hausa,Arabic,Malay
asas basis Hausa,Arabic,Malay
bab chapter of a book Hausa,Arabic,Malay
fard obligatory duty Hausa,Arabic,Malay
hadir to be present Arabic,Malay
haiba dignified appearance Hausa,Arabic,Malay
hila craftiness Hausa,Arabic,Malay
harf letter of the alphabet Hausa,Arabic,Malay
cafas cage Spanish,Arabic
anoria irrigation wheels Spanish,Arabic
arasif wharf Spanish,Arabic
soteha flat roof Spanish,Arabic
wacida match "fire" Spanish,Arabic
mud a measure for grain Spanish,Arabic
Arabic loan words in extinct languages
dor pearl Geez,Arabic
harir silk Geez,Arabic
minxar saw Geez,Arabic
tailasan priest's garment Geez,Arabic
emamah head-cover Tigrinya,Arabic
hetub tile Tigrinya,Arabic
cafilat caravan Tigrinya,Arabic
secan rudder of a boat Tigrinya,Arabic
Zein.
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