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#42007 From: Richard Follett <richfoll@...>
Date: Fri Jul 8, 2011 6:33 pm
Subject: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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LinkedIn

African Violet,

I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.

- Richard

Richard Follett
Educator at Warren County Public Schools
Washington D.C. Metro Area

Confirm that you know Richard

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#42008 From: "Lynda Welchel" <txsunavc@...>
Date: Sat Jul 9, 2011 1:04 pm
Subject: Re: Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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Richard,

Please state your reason for adding your professional network on LinkedIN.

Thank you.

Lynda Welchel
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#42009 From: "Aneita" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 4:26 pm
Subject: List is slow...
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Hi List;
I see no new activity since May.  I've always liked this list...so I decided to
start something.  We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1.  What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
2.  How long do you cut the leaf petiole
3.  Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject.  I'm working on
getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions.  Something is bound to work for
people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first.  I
receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on
this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
Aneita in SO CAL

#42010 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 4:34 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
aneita_s
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Sorry, I made one mistake.  I see some posts from July...but I still want to hear from you all, and your propagating methods.  This is pretty basic to the "addiction" that we all "suffer from" or "rejoice in"
ANeita
----- Original Message -----
From: Aneita
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:26 AM
Subject: AVC List is slow...

 

Hi List;
I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
Aneita in SO CAL


#42011 From: SAFarnum@...
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
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Hello, Anieta and List, 
 
I am always happy to comment on our violets!
 
In a message dated 8/2/2011 11:26:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aneitanfred@... writes:
Hi List;
I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
I pot leaves in solo plastic cups or Styrofoam cups cut down to half size with holes drilled in the bottom and wicks of acrylic yarn.  I pot in my usual potting mix, suitable for wicking, which is 1/2 Miracle Gro African Violet potting mix and 1/2 Miracle Gro Perlite by volume.  This mix works for my large collection and is easy for beginners to use because there is little mixing required.

2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
I usually cut petioles to about 1 1/2 to 2 inches.  I make a slanting cut with the broad side of the cut up, so the baby plants can grow upwards.  I only bury the end of the leaf about a half inch, although deeper is ok, you just might have to wait a little longer to see the offspring.  I prop the leaf on the side of the cup.

3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
 
I use both methods.  I often just put a thin Baggie over the pot and set it back on the light rack.  If the leaf is one that I have received from outside my collection (rare, but occasionally happens), I place the pots into regular size garden trays on grids for wicking, and cover them with plastic domes.  Now that the higher plastic domes are available in garden stores, or in Spring in box stores, I prefer those.  But, a used plastic box from the grocery store can work.  The lasagna pans with an aluminum bottom and plastic top are also perfect.  You can get those at Walmart.  If the leaves are not from my collection, I place the starter tray in a remote area of my home, on the third floor, away from my violet room on the ground floor.  I isolate for at least six months.
 
Remember that the African violet soil has slow release fertilizer in it, so don't fertilize for at least 3 months.  If tiny plantlets are showing then, it is safest not to fertilize until later, because they are easily damaged.
 
I leave the baby plants on the leaf until they are large, at least 2 1/2 inches from leaf tip to leaf tip.  I know others transplant earlier, but I like to see them large and sturdy before planting.
 
If all of the plantlets resemble each other, I select the two or three largest and throw the rest away. 
 
After potting the plantlets, I place them in a covered tray on the rack under the lights for a few weeks until they are established.

I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
 
I agree that this list has a very helpful and pleasant group on it.  I am sure others will post to keep it going.
 
Sylvia in Minnesota

 

#42012 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
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It is amazing to me how similar some of us grow our Violets and leaves.  I stopped using a separate mix for propagating a few years back when I ran out...I thought "what the hey"  I'll try my regular mix.  It worked so much better and the plantlets were more robust, and didn't yellow out like they did in Perlite/Vermiculite.  I used our regular club mix which is 4 parts milled Canadian Peat, 4 parts perlite, 3 parts coarse vermiculite with some charcoal.
How big do you let the plantlets get before separating them?
ANeita
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...

 

Hello, Anieta and List, 
 
I am always happy to comment on our violets!
 
In a message dated 8/2/2011 11:26:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aneitanfred@... writes:
Hi List;
I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
I pot leaves in solo plastic cups or Styrofoam cups cut down to half size with holes drilled in the bottom and wicks of acrylic yarn.  I pot in my usual potting mix, suitable for wicking, which is 1/2 Miracle Gro African Violet potting mix and 1/2 Miracle Gro Perlite by volume.  This mix works for my large collection and is easy for beginners to use because there is little mixing required.

2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
I usually cut petioles to about 1 1/2 to 2 inches.  I make a slanting cut with the broad side of the cut up, so the baby plants can grow upwards.  I only bury the end of the leaf about a half inch, although deeper is ok, you just might have to wait a little longer to see the offspring.  I prop the leaf on the side of the cup.

3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
 
I use both methods.  I often just put a thin Baggie over the pot and set it back on the light rack.  If the leaf is one that I have received from outside my collection (rare, but occasionally happens), I place the pots into regular size garden trays on grids for wicking, and cover them with plastic domes.  Now that the higher plastic domes are available in garden stores, or in Spring in box stores, I prefer those.  But, a used plastic box from the grocery store can work.  The lasagna pans with an aluminum bottom and plastic top are also perfect.  You can get those at Walmart.  If the leaves are not from my collection, I place the starter tray in a remote area of my home, on the third floor, away from my violet room on the ground floor.  I isolate for at least six months.
 
Remember that the African violet soil has slow release fertilizer in it, so don't fertilize for at least 3 months.  If tiny plantlets are showing then, it is safest not to fertilize until later, because they are easily damaged.
 
I leave the baby plants on the leaf until they are large, at least 2 1/2 inches from leaf tip to leaf tip.  I know others transplant earlier, but I like to see them large and sturdy before planting.
 
If all of the plantlets resemble each other, I select the two or three largest and throw the rest away. 
 
After potting the plantlets, I place them in a covered tray on the rack under the lights for a few weeks until they are established.

I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
 
I agree that this list has a very helpful and pleasant group on it.  I am sure others will post to keep it going.
 
Sylvia in Minnesota

 


#42013 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
aneita_s
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It is amazing to me how similar some of us grow our Violets and leaves.  I stopped using a separate mix for propagating a few years back when I ran out...I thought "what the hey"  I'll try my regular mix.  It worked so much better and the plantlets were more robust, and didn't yellow out like they did in Perlite/Vermiculite.  I used our regular club mix which is 4 parts milled Canadian Peat, 4 parts perlite, 3 parts coarse vermiculite with some charcoal.
How big do you let the plantlets get before separating them?
ANeita
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...

 

Hello, Anieta and List, 
 
I am always happy to comment on our violets!
 
In a message dated 8/2/2011 11:26:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aneitanfred@... writes:
Hi List;
I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
I pot leaves in solo plastic cups or Styrofoam cups cut down to half size with holes drilled in the bottom and wicks of acrylic yarn.  I pot in my usual potting mix, suitable for wicking, which is 1/2 Miracle Gro African Violet potting mix and 1/2 Miracle Gro Perlite by volume.  This mix works for my large collection and is easy for beginners to use because there is little mixing required.

2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
I usually cut petioles to about 1 1/2 to 2 inches.  I make a slanting cut with the broad side of the cut up, so the baby plants can grow upwards.  I only bury the end of the leaf about a half inch, although deeper is ok, you just might have to wait a little longer to see the offspring.  I prop the leaf on the side of the cup.

3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
 
I use both methods.  I often just put a thin Baggie over the pot and set it back on the light rack.  If the leaf is one that I have received from outside my collection (rare, but occasionally happens), I place the pots into regular size garden trays on grids for wicking, and cover them with plastic domes.  Now that the higher plastic domes are available in garden stores, or in Spring in box stores, I prefer those.  But, a used plastic box from the grocery store can work.  The lasagna pans with an aluminum bottom and plastic top are also perfect.  You can get those at Walmart.  If the leaves are not from my collection, I place the starter tray in a remote area of my home, on the third floor, away from my violet room on the ground floor.  I isolate for at least six months.
 
Remember that the African violet soil has slow release fertilizer in it, so don't fertilize for at least 3 months.  If tiny plantlets are showing then, it is safest not to fertilize until later, because they are easily damaged.
 
I leave the baby plants on the leaf until they are large, at least 2 1/2 inches from leaf tip to leaf tip.  I know others transplant earlier, but I like to see them large and sturdy before planting.
 
If all of the plantlets resemble each other, I select the two or three largest and throw the rest away. 
 
After potting the plantlets, I place them in a covered tray on the rack under the lights for a few weeks until they are established.

I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
 
I agree that this list has a very helpful and pleasant group on it.  I am sure others will post to keep it going.
 
Sylvia in Minnesota

 


#42014 From: SAFarnum@...
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
safarnum
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In a message dated 8/2/2011 1:07:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aneitanfred@... writes:
It is amazing to me how similar some of us grow our Violets and leaves.  I stopped using a separate mix for propagating a few years back when I ran out...I thought "what the hey"  I'll try my regular mix.  It worked so much better and the plantlets were more robust, and didn't yellow out like they did in Perlite/Vermiculite.  I used our regular club mix which is 4 parts milled Canadian Peat, 4 parts perlite, 3 parts coarse vermiculite with some charcoal.
How big do you let the plantlets get before separating them?
ANeita
I recently did an experiment where I started two trays of 17 leaves.  I had a leaf of each variety in each tray.  I planted one set of leaves in 1/2 Sphagnum moss 1/2 Perlite and one in my regular mix (1/2 Miracle Gro African violet soil 1/2 Perlite).  I had always used my regular mix in the past, but many people said that Sphagnum moss was better.  I had the two trays side-by-side on my counter near the lights.  There was no question.  The same leaves planted in the regular mix started first and are still ahead as they grow plantlets.
 
I let the plantlets get large enough so they fill the cup.  They will each be about 3 inches in diameter when I pot them.
 
Sylvia in Minnesota

#42015 From: aneitanfred@...
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:14 pm
Subject: A tiny one
aneita_s
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I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you.  This is Teeny Bopper.  I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves.  Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer. 
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears".  When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves.  The plant does better this way.
Aneita
 

#42016 From: Cheryl Johnston <ritabelew@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one
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This is funny to me now, but that was the first trailer I ever tried to grow.  I am not sure I could grow it now.  I am not sure I understand do you give it more of an even numbered fertilizer.  I never could get the leaves to be as big as  yours. I think I have a picture of mine somewhere.  Bless its heart it is no longer with me.  It was just too tiny.
 
Cheryl in TX

From: "aneitanfred@..." <aneitanfred@...>
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: AVC A tiny one

I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you.  This is Teeny Bopper.  I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves.  Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer. 
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears".  When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves.  The plant does better this way.
Aneita
 



#42017 From: aneitanfred@...
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one
aneita_s
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I didn't give it more of the fertilizer, just the usual 1/4 tsp. per gallon...I used various even formulas like 20-20-20, 16-16-16, or similar.
A friend of mine grew this one and Spunky Trail (which I've still not been successful with) and she kept giving it stuff like 10-50-10 to try to keep it small.  Her little leaves would be almost grass like, and the plant always died.  I felt she was starving the little thing and treated mine normally.  It took off.  Now if I can just translate this to growing Spunky Trail.
Aneita
 
In a message dated 8/2/2011 12:22:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ritabelew@... writes:


This is funny to me now, but that was the first trailer I ever tried to grow.  I am not sure I could grow it now.  I am not sure I understand do you give it more of an even numbered fertilizer.  I never could get the leaves to be as big as  yours. I think I have a picture of mine somewhere.  Bless its heart it is no longer with me.  It was just too tiny.
 
Cheryl in TX

From: "aneitanfred@..." <aneitanfred@...>
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2011 2:14 PM
Subject: AVC A tiny one

I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you.  This is Teeny Bopper.  I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves.  Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer. 
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears".  When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves.  The plant does better this way.
Aneita
 



#42018 From: "crazycavy1" <CRAZYCAVY@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
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I grow mine basically the same, in soil & domed but I let the babies get big
enough to lift the dome up off the perma-nest tray before separating.  I call
that my automatic acclimation to room air.  Also, for me bigger babies always do
better than ones separated when small.
Happy AVing!

. . . . . . -::-
.. ))
. . . .))
. .((. ..
. . . . . ((.* Jana in Indiana -::-
http://community.webshots.com/user/janainindiana


--- In avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com, SAFarnum@... wrote:
>
> Hello, Anieta and List,
>
> I am always happy to comment on our violets!
>
> In a message dated 8/2/2011 11:26:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> aneitanfred@... writes:
>
> Hi  List;
> I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I
> decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another 
list.
> I'd like to hear from you guys...
> 1. What do you use for your  planting medium, how damp etc.
> I pot leaves in solo plastic cups or Styrofoam cups cut down to half size
> with holes drilled in the bottom and wicks of acrylic yarn.  I pot in my
> usual potting mix, suitable for wicking, which is 1/2 Miracle Gro African
> Violet potting mix and 1/2 Miracle Gro Perlite by volume.  This mix works  for
> my large collection and is easy for beginners to use because there is little
>  mixing required.
>
>
> 2.  How long do you cut the leaf petiole
> I usually cut petioles to about 1 1/2 to 2 inches.  I make a slanting  cut
> with the broad side of the cut up, so the baby plants can grow  upwards.  I
> only bury the end of the leaf about a half inch, although  deeper is ok, you
> just might have to wait a little longer to see the  offspring.  I prop the
> leaf on the side of the cup.
>
> 3. Do you  bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
>
> I use both methods.  I often just put a thin  Baggie over the pot and set
> it back on the light rack.  If the leaf is one  that I have received from
> outside my collection (rare, but occasionally  happens), I place the pots into
> regular size garden trays on grids for wicking,  and cover them with plastic
> domes.  Now that the higher plastic domes are  available in garden stores,
> or in Spring in box stores, I prefer those.   But, a used plastic box from
> the grocery store can work.  The lasagna pans  with an aluminum bottom and
> plastic top are also perfect.  You can get  those at Walmart.  If the leaves
> are not from my collection, I place the  starter tray in a remote area of my
> home, on the third floor, away from my  violet room on the ground floor.  I
> isolate for at least six  months.
>
> Remember that the African violet soil has slow  release fertilizer in it,
> so don't fertilize for at least 3 months.  If  tiny plantlets are showing
> then, it is safest not to fertilize until later,  because they are easily
> damaged.
>
> I leave the baby plants on the leaf until they are  large, at least 2 1/2
> inches from leaf tip to leaf tip.  I know  others transplant earlier, but I
> like to see them large and sturdy  before planting.
>
> If all of the plantlets resemble each other, I  select the two or three
> largest and throw the rest away.
>
> After potting the plantlets, I place them in a  covered tray on the rack
> under the lights for a few weeks until they are  established.
>
> I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic  subject. I'm working
> on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my  local AV club.
> It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound  to work for
> people...
> I remember when this list was formed and have been here  from the first. I
> receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to  notice no
> activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet  groups.
>
> I agree that this list has a very helpful and  pleasant group on it.  I am
> sure others will post to keep it  going.
>
> Sylvia in Minnesota
>

#42019 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
aneita_s
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I find that bigger babies grow better too.  I like to get them out and acclimated to the room air, and I like to begin to fertilize them with a 1/8th tsp. to 1 gallon of water solution of level formula fertilizer.  They don't seem to miss a beat when I separate them.
There are of course some exceptions, but usually not.
I'm watching the Buckeye Lace Petticoats babies right now (Only got three)  I plan to put down leaves from these babies as soon as I can.
Aneita
----- Original Message -----
From: crazycavy1
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...

 

I grow mine basically the same, in soil & domed but I let the babies get big enough to lift the dome up off the perma-nest tray before separating. I call that my automatic acclimation to room air. Also, for me bigger babies always do better than ones separated when small.
Happy AVing!

. . . . . . -::-
.. ))
. . . .))
. .((. ..
. . . . . ((.* Jana in Indiana -::- http://community.webshots.com/user/janainindiana

--- In avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com, SAFarnum@... wrote:
>
> Hello, Anieta and List,
>
> I am always happy to comment on our violets!
>
> In a message dated 8/2/2011 11:26:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> aneitanfred@... writes:
>
> Hi List;
> I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I
> decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
> I'd like to hear from you guys...
> 1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
> I pot leaves in solo plastic cups or Styrofoam cups cut down to half size
> with holes drilled in the bottom and wicks of acrylic yarn. I pot in my
> usual potting mix, suitable for wicking, which is 1/2 Miracle Gro African
> Violet potting mix and 1/2 Miracle Gro Perlite by volume. This mix works for
> my large collection and is easy for beginners to use because there is little
> mixing required.
>
>
> 2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
> I usually cut petioles to about 1 1/2 to 2 inches. I make a slanting cut
> with the broad side of the cut up, so the baby plants can grow upwards. I
> only bury the end of the leaf about a half inch, although deeper is ok, you
> just might have to wait a little longer to see the offspring. I prop the
> leaf on the side of the cup.
>
> 3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
>
> I use both methods. I often just put a thin Baggie over the pot and set
> it back on the light rack. If the leaf is one that I have received from
> outside my collection (rare, but occasionally happens), I place the pots into
> regular size garden trays on grids for wicking, and cover them with plastic
> domes. Now that the higher plastic domes are available in garden stores,
> or in Spring in box stores, I prefer those. But, a used plastic box from
> the grocery store can work. The lasagna pans with an aluminum bottom and
> plastic top are also perfect. You can get those at Walmart. If the leaves
> are not from my collection, I place the starter tray in a remote area of my
> home, on the third floor, away from my violet room on the ground floor. I
> isolate for at least six months.
>
> Remember that the African violet soil has slow release fertilizer in it,
> so don't fertilize for at least 3 months. If tiny plantlets are showing
> then, it is safest not to fertilize until later, because they are easily
> damaged.
>
> I leave the baby plants on the leaf until they are large, at least 2 1/2
> inches from leaf tip to leaf tip. I know others transplant earlier, but I
> like to see them large and sturdy before planting.
>
> If all of the plantlets resemble each other, I select the two or three
> largest and throw the rest away.
>
> After potting the plantlets, I place them in a covered tray on the rack
> under the lights for a few weeks until they are established.
>
> I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working
> on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
> It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for
> people...
> I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I
> receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no
> activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
>
> I agree that this list has a very helpful and pleasant group on it. I am
> sure others will post to keep it going.
>
> Sylvia in Minnesota
>


#42020 From: "Marie" <blackoakstudio@...>
Date: Fri Aug 5, 2011 3:23 am
Subject: Please help with your best advice
maglass47
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I don't post on this site very often, but I read every posted word and I have
learned so much from all of you.  I need your help with a big problem.  We
arrived home from a week at the shore to find that the compressor had gone bad
on our air conditioner -- it was running, but not cooling.  The temperature
inside our home was 95 degrees and the humidity registered 70%.  Our daughter
had come to water the violets and since she thought it was a little "warm" in
there, she gave them a good soak.  I am now watching my treasured collection of
minis and semis slowly turning to brown jelly.  I am continuing to run fans and
by opening windows have gotten the temperature down; but the new unit can't be
installed until next week.  I put trays of babies on the floor where it seems to
be coolest.  I am asking for your best suggestions as to how I can salvage these
baked babies!

Marie in Paradise, PA

#42021 From: Cliff Addison <addisons@...>
Date: Wed Aug 3, 2011 12:04 am
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one
plantsonpurpose
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I grew Teeny Bopper years ago and now I can't imagine why I stopped. It is a cutie!

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM, <aneitanfred@...> wrote:
I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you. This is Teeny Bopper. I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves. Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer.
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears". When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves. The plant does better this way.
Aneita


#42022 From: Donita <donitamaynard@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 6:01 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
deewater2009
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Sorry I too have missed the group and always read the comments but very shy
about getting involved I guess its time so that I can learn more about
violets---- Donita

#42023 From: Evelyn <evbriggs@...>
Date: Tue Aug 2, 2011 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
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I belong to the Centrral Florida A.V. Society. Here in Florida it seems to be easier to start plants from leaves. I cut the stems to about one inch. Add a little more perlite to my regular soil mix. Put the leaves in the mix in a Dixie cup with a wick. Put them under my regular lights on my Violet stands and within 6 to 8 weeks usally have little ones arriving!! Hope this is a help some people. 

 

 


.-----Original Message-----
From: AneitanFred
Sent: Aug 2, 2011 12:34 PM
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...

 

Sorry, I made one mistake.  I see some posts from July...but I still want to hear from you all, and your propagating methods.  This is pretty basic to the "addiction" that we all "suffer from" or "rejoice in"
ANeita
----- Original Message -----
From: Aneita
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:26 AM
Subject: AVC List is slow...

 

Hi List;
I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
Aneita in SO CAL


#42024 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Fri Aug 5, 2011 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...
aneita_s
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I envy those of you that don't have to cover up your leaves when you plant.  I plant mine in my regular potting mix, in 2 1/2 oz. solo cups, but I do have to either put them in a prop box or bag them.
Aneita in SO CAL
----- Original Message -----
From: Evelyn
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...

 

I belong to the Centrral Florida A.V. Society. Here in Florida it seems to be easier to start plants from leaves. I cut the stems to about one inch. Add a little more perlite to my regular soil mix. Put the leaves in the mix in a Dixie cup with a wick. Put them under my regular lights on my Violet stands and within 6 to 8 weeks usally have little ones arriving!! Hope this is a help some people. 

 

 


.-----Original Message-----
From: AneitanFred
Sent: Aug 2, 2011 12:34 PM
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AVC List is slow...

 

Sorry, I made one mistake.  I see some posts from July...but I still want to hear from you all, and your propagating methods.  This is pretty basic to the "addiction" that we all "suffer from" or "rejoice in"
ANeita
----- Original Message -----
From: Aneita
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:26 AM
Subject: AVC List is slow...

 

Hi List;
I see no new activity since May. I've always liked this list...so I decided to start something. We've been discussing planting leaves on another list.
I'd like to hear from you guys...
1. What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.
2. How long do you cut the leaf petiole
3. Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...
I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject. I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.
It's good to have many views and opinions. Something is bound to work for people...
I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first. I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.
Aneita in SO CAL


#42025 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Fri Aug 5, 2011 11:09 pm
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one
aneita_s
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I think it's probably the easiest of the tiny ones.  I still have yet to be successful with Spunky Trail.  I need to try Little Periscope.  Rob's Twinkle Blue and Twinkle Pink do well for me.  I have R. Twinkle Blue and am looking for Rob's Twinkle Pink.  I think Rob's has it but they were sold out.
These little ones are cute and they sure don't take up much room.
Aneita
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one

 

I grew Teeny Bopper years ago and now I can't imagine why I stopped.  It is a cutie!

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM, <aneitanfred@...> wrote:
I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you.  This is Teeny Bopper.  I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves.  Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer. 
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears".  When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves.  The plant does better this way.
Aneita
 


#42026 From: "Monica" <TUGGERSMOM@...>
Date: Fri Aug 5, 2011 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: Please help with your best advice
magicsmom2002
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Are the plants really soggy?  If so you'll need to dry them out with towels. 
You know the violets should like the humidity and heat but they don't like wet
roots.

Monica in NC

--- In avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com, "Marie" <blackoakstudio@...> wrote:
>
> I don't post on this site very often, but I read every posted word and I have
learned so much from all of you.  I need your help with a big problem.  We
arrived home from a week at the shore to find that the compressor had gone bad
on our air conditioner -- it was running, but not cooling.  The temperature
inside our home was 95 degrees and the humidity registered 70%.  Our daughter
had come to water the violets and since she thought it was a little "warm" in
there, she gave them a good soak.  I am now watching my treasured collection of
minis and semis slowly turning to brown jelly.  I am continuing to run fans and
by opening windows have gotten the temperature down; but the new unit can't be
installed until next week.  I put trays of babies on the floor where it seems to
be coolest.  I am asking for your best suggestions as to how I can salvage these
baked babies!
>
> Marie in Paradise, PA
>

#42027 From: "The Spyridon's" <spyfam@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 12:40 am
Subject: RE: AVC Re: Please help with your best advice
yassoo33483
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Hi Marie,
I agree with Monica. If the plants are too soggy, they will develop root rot
so I would place many layers of newspapers down on the floor and set the
babies on it. Most of the water would be drawn down to the newspaper. Keep
the fans going but not directly blowing on the plants. Do NOT place the
plants near open windows that will only bring in bugs(ugh)and you'll wind up
with more problems. If at all possible take a couple of healthy leaves(from
middle rows)& put them down in fresh soil just in case the soggy ones don't
make it.
GOOD LUCK...and let us know how you make out.
Martha (S. FL)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Monica
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 7:33 PM
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AVC Re: Please help with your best advice

Are the plants really soggy?  If so you'll need to dry them out with towels.
You know the violets should like the humidity and heat but they don't like
wet roots.

Monica in NC
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

--- In avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com, "Marie" <blackoakstudio@...> wrote:
>
> I don't post on this site very often, but I read every posted word and I
have learned so much from all of you.  I need your help with a big problem.
We arrived home from a week at the shore to find that the compressor had
gone bad on our air conditioner -- it was running, but not cooling.  The
temperature inside our home was 95 degrees and the humidity registered 70%.
Our daughter had come to water the violets and since she thought it was a
little "warm" in there, she gave them a good soak.  I am now watching my
treasured collection of minis and semis slowly turning to brown jelly.  I am
continuing to run fans and by opening windows have gotten the temperature
down; but the new unit can't be installed until next week.  I put trays of
babies on the floor where it seems to be coolest.  I am asking for your best
suggestions as to how I can salvage these baked babies!
>
> Marie in Paradise, PA
>




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#42028 From: SAFarnum@...
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 12:56 am
Subject: Re: AVC Please help with your best advice
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Marie, I am so sorry to hear about your plants.  I think you will have to use common sense to bring back as many as you can. 
 
You don't say how many plants you have.  If they are really soggy and starting to rot, you can try re-rooting the crowns in damp AV mix.  I am sure you know that when you cut out a crown, all of the brown material in the stem must be discarded and only the green kept.  If the crown has enough healthy tissue, you may save the plant. 
 
For the babies, Martha's newspaper idea is a good one. 
 
You can also try starting leaves as a backup.  It will be work to try all these things, hard to do when you are hot, too, but it may be worth it. 
 
If the plants are not too soggy and not beginning to rot and wilt, they may recover.  They won't be happy, but they may make it.  Remove any wilted leaves from around the outside of the plant and try to keep the air moving. 
 
Look at them carefully, and do what is needed right away.  Sometimes that is the key to saving a plant.
 
Wishing you good luck. 
 
Sylvia (in Minnesota)
 
In a message dated 8/5/2011 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, blackoakstudio@... writes:
 

I don't post on this site very often, but I read every posted word and I have learned so much from all of you. I need your help with a big problem. We arrived home from a week at the shore to find that the compressor had gone bad on our air conditioner -- it was running, but not cooling. The temperature inside our home was 95 degrees and the humidity registered 70%. Our daughter had come to water the violets and since she thought it was a little "warm" in there, she gave them a good soak. I am now watching my treasured collection of minis and semis slowly turning to brown jelly. I am continuing to run fans and by opening windows have gotten the temperature down; but the new unit can't be installed until next week. I put trays of babies on the floor where it seems to be coolest. I am asking for your best suggestions as to how I can salvage these baked babies!

Marie in Paradise, PA


#42029 From: "Barbara Cole" <bcole@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 1:04 am
Subject: RE: AVC Please help with your best advice
barbcoleus
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I don’t post often but I feel the need to share my experience.  During hurricane Charlie we lost electricity for 8 days so there was no A/C  or fans or anything to cool us off.  I’m in SW Florida and this happened in August.  The plants were OK but they were not damaged before.  I did lose my streps but the African Violets lived.  Yes keep only the green.

 

Barb in SW Fl

 

 

 

From: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SAFarnum@...
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:57 PM
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: AVC Please help with your best advice

 




Marie, I am so sorry to hear about your plants.  I think you will have to use common sense to bring back as many as you can. 

 

You don't say how many plants you have.  If they are really soggy and starting to rot, you can try re-rooting the crowns in damp AV mix.  I am sure you know that when you cut out a crown, all of the brown material in the stem must be discarded and only the green kept.  If the crown has enough healthy tissue, you may save the plant. 

 

For the babies, Martha's newspaper idea is a good one. 

 

You can also try starting leaves as a backup.  It will be work to try all these things, hard to do when you are hot, too, but it may be worth it. 

 

If the plants are not too soggy and not beginning to rot and wilt, they may recover.  They won't be happy, but they may make it.  Remove any wilted leaves from around the outside of the plant and try to keep the air moving. 

 

Look at them carefully, and do what is needed right away.  Sometimes that is the key to saving a plant.

 

Wishing you good luck. 

 

Sylvia (in Minnesota)

 

In a message dated 8/5/2011 5:21:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, blackoakstudio@... writes:

 

I don't post on this site very often, but I read every posted word and I have learned so much from all of you. I need your help with a big problem. We arrived home from a week at the shore to find that the compressor had gone bad on our air conditioner -- it was running, but not cooling. The temperature inside our home was 95 degrees and the humidity registered 70%. Our daughter had come to water the violets and since she thought it was a little "warm" in there, she gave them a good soak. I am now watching my treasured collection of minis and semis slowly turning to brown jelly. I am continuing to run fans and by opening windows have gotten the temperature down; but the new unit can't be installed until next week. I put trays of babies on the floor where it seems to be coolest. I am asking for your best suggestions as to how I can salvage these baked babies!

Marie in Paradise, PA





#42030 From: "Bettye V. Johnson" <betvjoh@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 1:40 am
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one
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Pleasae take me off this list.I no longer grow AV.  Thank you, Bettye Johnson
 


From: AneitanFred <aneitanfred@...>
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one

 

I think it's probably the easiest of the tiny ones.  I still have yet to be successful with Spunky Trail.  I need to try Little Periscope.  Rob's Twinkle Blue and Twinkle Pink do well for me.  I have R. Twinkle Blue and am looking for Rob's Twinkle Pink.  I think Rob's has it but they were sold out.
These little ones are cute and they sure don't take up much room.
Aneita
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one

 

I grew Teeny Bopper years ago and now I can't imagine why I stopped.  It is a cutie!

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM, <aneitanfred@...> wrote:
I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you.  This is Teeny Bopper.  I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves.  Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer. 
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears".  When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves.  The plant does better this way.
Aneita
 




#42031 From: "Bettye V. Johnson" <betvjoh@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 1:41 am
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one
betvjoh
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From: AneitanFred <aneitanfred@...>
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one

 
I think it's probably the easiest of the tiny ones.  I still have yet to be successful with Spunky Trail.  I need to try Little Periscope.  Rob's Twinkle Blue and Twinkle Pink do well for me.  I have R. Twinkle Blue and am looking for Rob's Twinkle Pink.  I think Rob's has it but they were sold out.
These little ones are cute and they sure don't take up much room.
Aneita
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: AVC A tiny one

 
I grew Teeny Bopper years ago and now I can't imagine why I stopped.  It is a cutie!

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 11:14 AM, <aneitanfred@...> wrote:
I just couldn't resist sharing a pic of these little ones with all of you.  This is Teeny Bopper.  I usually plant at least a half dozen leaves to a pot, when I use leaves.  Mostly I do cuttings with this tiny trailer. 
These were started in my regular mix, just took a few weeks to show the "mouse ears".  When I grow Teeny Bopper, I give it a nice even numbered fertilizer with sufficient nitrogen to get some size on the leaves.  The plant does better this way.
Aneita
 




#42032 From: "AneitanFred" <aneitanfred@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 3:23 pm
Subject: Question for all my Violet/Gessie lists...
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My question this morning...
Is the Violet 'Heartland's Heirloom Lace a Semi-mini or a small Standard?   I'm entering it in FC2 user database and wanted to be accurate.  I just found a pic of it and I'm really excited about it. Any further info would be appreciated.
 
Aneita in SO CAL enjoying the rewards of a Round Robin Box a while back.
 

#42033 From: "Bettye V. Johnson" <betvjoh@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 8:20 pm
Subject: (No subject)
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#42034 From: "Joan" <joanmarie@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 8:55 pm
Subject: RE: AVC Question for all my Violet/Gessie lists...
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I used to grow it & it was a standard for me. It had very distinctive netting on the blooms, as shown in the photo.

 

Heartland's Heirloom Lace (D. Martens) Dusty rose star/darker lines and markings, green cast on upper petals. Dark green/red back. Standard

 

 


From: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of AneitanFred
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 10:24 AM
To: Funwithgessies
Cc: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com; bloominjunglegrowingfun@yahoogroups.com
Subject: AVC Question for all my Violet/Gessie lists...

 




My question this morning...

Is the Violet 'Heartland's Heirloom Lace a Semi-mini or a small Standard?   I'm entering it in FC2 user database and wanted to be accurate.  I just found a pic of it and I'm really excited about it. Any further info would be appreciated.

 

Aneita in SO CAL enjoying the rewards of a Round Robin Box a while back.

 



#42035 From: "Joan" <joanmarie@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 9:23 pm
Subject: RE: AVC List is slow...
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Joan in MN

http://www.picturetrail.com/joanmarie649

 

http://shop.ebay.com/joanmarie649/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25

 

 

I'd like to hear from you guys...

1.  What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.

I use Berger's Potting mix from Canada for plants & setting leaves

2.  How long do you cut the leaf petiole

I leave the petiole about 1", and barely stick it in the potting mix

3.  Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...

I use domed pans (disposable lasagna pans work well with high dome) or plastic sheet cake containers

I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject.  I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.

It's good to have many views and opinions.  Something is bound to work for people...

I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first.  I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.

Aneita in SO CAL

 

 

 

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#42036 From: "The Spyridon's" <spyfam@...>
Date: Sat Aug 6, 2011 11:59 pm
Subject: RE: putting down leaves
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Here is a recent hands-on program we did at one of our club meetings....we distributed Jiffy Pellets to each  member and followed the directions for their use.  Leaves were distributed and everyone got to choose which variety they'd like to try. The pellets were then enclosed in clear baggies and sealed.  Members took them home to grow and were asked to bring them back to the meeting in 3 months "dead or alive". What followed proved to be a really fun & lively discussion.  Perhaps you might try it with your club.
Martha (S.FL)


From: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com [mailto:avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joan
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 5:23 PM
To: avconnectionn@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: AVC List is slow...

 

Joan in MN

http://www.picturetrail.com/joanmarie649

http://shop.ebay.com/joanmarie649/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25 

I'd like to hear from you guys...

1.  What do you use for your planting medium, how damp etc.

I use Berger's Potting mix from Canada for plants & setting leaves

2.  How long do you cut the leaf petiole

I leave the petiole about 1", and barely stick it in the potting mix

3.  Do you bag the leaf, put it in a prop box or other...

I use domed pans (disposable lasagna pans work well with high dome) or plastic sheet cake containers

I'd like to read any discussion about this very basic subject.  I'm working on getting some folks up to speed with propagating in my local AV club.

It's good to have many views and opinions.  Something is bound to work for people...

I remember when this list was formed and have been here from the first.  I receive all my lists on my email program and have begun to notice no activity on this, one of the most friendly and balanced of the violet groups.

Aneita in SO CAL

 

 

 


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