azaleas : Messages : 10861-10890 of 18909

Hi Jim:

As per collections Don Craig who was the Director of Agriculture Canada Research Program for ornamental plants at Kentville, NS 25 years ago has a large number. He also did a lot of hybridizing with these azaleas. Besides Knaphill and Exbury azaleas he grew a number of Solent azaleas like Princess Margaret of Windsor. Solent is a river in England that winds past the de Rothschild estate, the hybridizer of this group.

The nurseries that ship dec. azaleas of any kind in Canada are very limited. In the 1980's-1990's I used to order from Clay's Nursery in British Columbia. They did tissue culture and I used to pay something like $0.60 a plant. You had to order a minimum of 5 plants at a time.

Here's hoping your post identifies some nurseries I'm not currently aware of.

Bruce Clyburn,

New Waterford, NS

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Willhite

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:07 PM

Subject: [AZ] Knap Hill history

Thanks to Bruce Clyburn, who made the Knap Hill history article available,
and to Tom Scheutz, who shared a paper copy with me yesterday at our Valley
Forge Chapter annual picnic.

I read the article on the train on the way to work this morning. This was a
great article, lots of history, and a comprehensive list of Knap Hills at
the end. I knew the history of the group went way back, but I don't think I
appreciated just how far back it goes (1820s). The long history of the
strain adds one more compelling reason to grow more Knap Hills.

Is there any comprehensive collection of KH's in the US or Canada? And,
sorry to be commercial, but are there any nurseries on this side of the pond
distributing a good number of them?

Jim Willhite
West Chester, PA

#10862

From: "Joe Schild" <azaleajoe@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 12:41 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] arborescens Gann#2

joeschild

Jim,

Clifton knew a lot of people in the green trade and at various arboretia, including Arnold Arboretum and perhaps Tyler too. He also knew nurserymen in Japan, the UK, and other nations. The large R. sanctum in my garden is a clone of one Clifton rooted that K. Wada sent him in about 1936 and that he rooted from the Royal gardens.

It is possible he sent plants to Tyler or someone from ther evisited him and left with the plants, most likely as gifts since he was known for that.

Joe Schild

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Willhite

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 10:47 PM

Subject: [AZ] arborescens Gann#2

Joe Schild has written from time to time about his friend and azalea mentor,
Clifton Gann. At Tyler Arboretum, there are two forms of arborescens
growing that bear his name.

Gann #1 has white flowers and the shiny-est, longest leaves I've ever seen
on a native azalea. I posted a photo of #1 earlier this month. Gann #2
blooms later, and has yellow-pink blend flowers, good fragrance and again
good foliage. #2 has been in bloom for nearly 3 weeks now. Images below were
shot this morning.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/james793/ARBGANN21450.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/james793/ARBGANN21454.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/james793/ARBGANN21451.jpg

I have asked how these plants came to Tyler, but no one on the staff
presently knows; and the records are silent, but for an accession date in
the 50s.

Jim Willhite
West Chester, PA

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#10863

From: "Rich Simmons" <stewbug909@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 1:27 pm
Subject: This is from "ask us" page...

stewbug909@...

Hello - I have 3 azaleas whose leaves are turning brown & dropping off. They are in a well -drained bed, but I have been hand watering this bed daily due to some newer plants within the same bed. Do you think I am over-watering the azaleas? Also -- they do not get very heavy blooms in the spring-- just a few flowers. I have fertiziled them with a specific azalea fertilizer according to package directions. I also place peat moss around the plant every spring. The bed is mulched with a hardwood mulch. The azalea plants have been in the bed about 3 years -- and never have truly been showy. Ideas from you would be appreciated.

Thank You -

p.s. - Our soil is heavy "clay".

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#10864

From: "William C. Miller III" <bill@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] This is from "ask us" page...

azaleabill

Hi Rich,

Watering daily sounds like too much water to me. Water thoroughly but not frequently. I'd also stop with the peat moss dressing. Peat moss makes a pretty good amendment when mixed with the clay, but it's a lousy top dressing or mulch.

Azaleas require a certain amount of exposure to develop flowers, so make sure the locale isn't too shady. Fertilizer is not a requirement and many people don't apply fertilizer. By the way, under some circumstances too much fertilizer can inhibit flower development.

Any pruning that you do should be done shortly after they bloom. Flowers for the following season begin to develop in the summer, so if you come along in the fall and prune --- you have trimmed away next spring's flowers.
--
William C. Miller III
Bethesda, Maryland
www.theazaleaworks.com

Rich Simmons wrote:

Hello - I have 3 azaleas whose leaves are turning brown & dropping off. They are in a well -drained bed, but I have been hand watering this bed daily due to some newer plants within the same bed. Do you think I am over-watering the azaleas? Also -- they do not get very heavy blooms in the spring-- just a few flowers. I have fertiziled them with a specific azalea fertilizer according to package directions. I also place peat moss around the plant every spring. The bed is mulched with a hardwood mulch. The azalea plants have been in the bed about 3 years -- and never have truly been showy. Ideas from you would be appreciated.

Thank You -

p.s. - Our soil is heavy "clay".

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#10865

From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
Date: Tue Jul 1, 2008 11:44 pm
Subject: Blooming Today

denudata2001

The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed as a Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don Hyatt a member of this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10866

From: michael.campbell3@...
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:20 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

mike_threeshot

I have parade and arborescens blooming in the SW burbs of chicago.
  -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
> The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed as a
> Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don Hyatt a member of
> this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10867

From: Bob Stelloh <bstelloh@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:26 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

oakhillbob

Bruce,

While your 'Sun Chariot' is very nice, it might not be 'Sun Chariot'
- see http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/sunchariot for a bunch of
pictures of what I and several others are growing as 'Sun Chariot',
and which is described as "vivid yellow, with an orange-tellow
blotch; margins frilled". I think our pictures match that description
better than your picture.

I became aware of being the victim of "label creep" (my term for
getting a mislabeled plant, or picking up a label off the ground and
putting it back on the wrong plant, or any of the other dozen ways a
plant ends up with the wrong label) as I began publishing pictures of
my plants. You might be such a victim also.

Regards,
Bob Stelloh  Hendersonville NC  USDA Zone 7



At 8:44 PM -0300 on 7/1/08, Bruce Clyburn wrote
The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed
as a Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don
Hyatt a member of this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10868

From: Jim Willhite <jwillhite@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:04 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

jwillhite23

Both very, very nice Bruce.  Where are you in you bloom sequence?  Mid?
Late?

Jim Willhite
West Chester, PA





> The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed as a
> Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don Hyatt a member of
> this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10869

From: Tadeusz Dauksza <iltkyao@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:27 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today/Yellow Cloud

iltkyao

Bruce; attached is Yellow Cloud from a bloom on May 29th in my garden in Illinois.

Tadeusz.

--- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...> wrote:

From: Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...>
Subject: [AZ] Blooming Today
To: "azaleas@..." <azaleas@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:44 PM

The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed as a Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don Hyatt a member of this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10870

From: "Harold Greer" <hgreer@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:32 am
Subject: RE: [AZ] Knap Hill history--Whitethroat

greergardens

I have grown White Throat for years. It does not have bronze foliage. I doubt Cecile descended from Whitethroat.

Harold Greer

From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:azaleas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Willhite
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:46 PM
To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZ] Knap Hill history--Whitethroat

More about the KH article by G. Donald Waterer. I was interested to see
that he may have provided an answer to a Q I posed a few days ago to this
group; ie, what is the source of the lovely bronze foliage we see on
Cannon's Double, which is Corneille x Cecile? Waterer describes the Knap
Hill plant "Whitethroat" which dates from the 1920s and was used after WWII
as seed parent to produce a group of fragrant, double flowered plants
distinguished by "copper tinted foliage which was at its best in full light"
and which turns bright red in autumn, as does that of Cannon's Double. I
wonder if Cecile, the Exbury, is descended from Whitethroat? Anybody
growing Whitethroat?

> Thanks to Bruce Clyburn, who made the Knap Hill history article available,
> and to Tom Scheutz, who shared a paper copy with me yesterday at our Valley
> Forge Chapter annual picnic.
>
> I read the article on the train on the way to work this morning. This was a
> great article, lots of history, and a comprehensive list of Knap Hills at
> the end. I knew the history of the group went way back, but I don't think I
> appreciated just how far back it goes (1820s). The long history of the
> strain adds one more compelling reason to grow more Knap Hills.
>
> Is there any comprehensive collection of KH's in the US or Canada? And,
> sorry to be commercial, but are there any nurseries on this side of the pond
> distributing a good number of them?
>
>
> Jim Willhite
> West Chester, PA
>
>
>

#10871

From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 9:34 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

denudata2001

Jim:

We're just leaving mid and moving into late quickly with a bit of heat that we're having. In North American species: R. arborescens buds are expanding and a few florets are in the 'baloon' stage but no full flower trusses.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: Jim Willhite

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:04 AM

Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

Both very, very nice Bruce. Where are you in you bloom sequence? Mid?
Late?

Jim Willhite
West Chester, PA

> The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed as a
> Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don Hyatt a member of
> this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10872

From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 9:47 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

denudata2001

Hi Bob:

I will be the first to admit that 'label creep' is possible. This bed of 20+ azaleas came from an operation that was run by a girl who attended a local agriculture college and had some specialized credits in tissue culture. She got her material from a reliable source but I don't think she had much passion for the genus and got the impression she thought an azalea was an azalea. Now most of my plants, I have checked against Galle and other authoritative sources so I'm sure most are what they were labelled as but you are likely correct. I appreciate this feed-back. If not Sun Chariot ... Is there an azalea that better matches the photo?

Bruce Clyburn

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Stelloh

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

Bruce,

While your 'Sun Chariot' is very nice, it might not be 'Sun Chariot'
- see http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/sunchariot for a bunch of
pictures of what I and several others are growing as 'Sun Chariot',
and which is described as "vivid yellow, with an orange-tellow
blotch; margins frilled". I think our pictures match that description
better than your picture.

I became aware of being the victim of "label creep" (my term for
getting a mislabeled plant, or picking up a label off the ground and
putting it back on the wrong plant, or any of the other dozen ways a
plant ends up with the wrong label) as I began publishing pictures of
my plants. You might be such a victim also.

Regards,
Bob Stelloh Hendersonville NC USDA Zone 7

At 8:44 PM -0300 on 7/1/08, Bruce Clyburn wrote
The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed
as a Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don
Hyatt a member of this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10873

From: "William C. Miller III" <bill@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

azaleabill

Bruce, Bob, et al,

Before Bruce falls on his sword, it might be useful to remind the assembled multitude that there is usually acceptable variability in cultivars based on environmental factors. Years ago, Don Voss demonstrated spectrophotometrically that hue changes significantly in some of the Robin Hills from year to year in Vienna, Virginia. Others have reported that double forms are more semidouble some years and petaloidy pops up occasionally in flowers officially described as singles. No one has been able to postulate the limits on this acceptable variation. It sure complicates identification.

Examining the several images that Bob offered for comparison, the environments were Hendersonville, NC; Kew Gardens, England; and British Columbia. Bruce is growing in Nova Scotia so the potential for variation due to environmental differences should not be discounted. Further, the size of the plant, age of the flower, and the use or non-use of fertilizer can have significant effects that are not accounted for.
--
William C. Miller III
Bethesda, Maryland
www.theazaleaworks.com

.
Bruce Clyburn wrote:

Hi Bob:

I will be the first to admit that 'label creep' is possible. This bed of 20+ azaleas came from an operation that was run by a girl who attended a local agriculture college and had some specialized credits in tissue culture. She got her material from a reliable source but I don't think she had much passion for the genus and got the impression she thought an azalea was an azalea. Now most of my plants, I have checked against Galle and other authoritative sources so I'm sure most are what they were labelled as but you are likely correct. I appreciate this feed-back. If not Sun Chariot ... Is there an azalea that better matches the photo?

Bruce Clyburn

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Stelloh

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:26 PM

Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

Bruce,

While your 'Sun Chariot' is very nice, it might not be 'Sun Chariot'
- see http://www.pbase.com/azaleasociety/sunchariot for a bunch of
pictures of what I and several others are growing as 'Sun Chariot',
and which is described as "vivid yellow, with an orange-tellow
blotch; margins frilled". I think our pictures match that description
better than your picture.

I became aware of being the victim of "label creep" (my term for
getting a mislabeled plant, or picking up a label off the ground and
putting it back on the wrong plant, or any of the other dozen ways a
plant ends up with the wrong label) as I began publishing pictures of
my plants. You might be such a victim also.

Regards,
Bob Stelloh Hendersonville NC USDA Zone 7

At 8:44 PM -0300 on 7/1/08, Bruce Clyburn wrote
The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed
as a Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don
Hyatt a member of this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .

#10874

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 11:48 am
Subject: T and Ds: My Position

sjperk5

Bruce

Some History

1) Sally and I have for several years been attempting to cross good
deciduous azaleas onto each other with the goal of producing late
season bloomers. We consider My Mary and Marydel to both be very good
azaleas and have tried to cross many things onto them.
We have always had problems crossing later deciduous azaleas onto
these 2 and have always thought we might be damaging the pestil when
we strip the flowers. Crosses of late things onto Snowbird have also
failed.

2) Ian Donovan gave us a seedling of atlanticum X calendulaceum which
produced clear yellow flowers. We were able to cross this onto
calendulaceum Cherokee.

3) We have crossed luteum Golden Comet X calendulaceum Cherokee and
calendulaceum Cherokee X luteum Golden Comet. My Mary, Marydel,
Snowbird also cross onto Cherokee. Cherokee seems often to not set
seed when crossed with pollen from late bloomers.

4) We have crossed My Mary X Marydel and Marydel X My Mary.

5) We have a cumberlandense that seems to accept pollen from Cherokee
as well as many late bloomers.

My New Position

My new conjecture based on next to nothing is that in crosses
involving fertile native deciduous azalea species, Ts generally cross
with Ts, Ts generally reject Ds pollen, Ds generally cross with Ds,
and Ds are often willing to accept Ts pollen.

My new theory based on next to nothing is that Ts have to have a
mechanism to prevent crossing with Ds to survive as a species. Ds
being more common and having evolved earlier have developed no
special mechanism to reject Ts pollen.

Note: This year we crossed "our white calenducaleum" onto Marydel and
got seed. This makes me believe there is a good likihood that this
white calenducaleum is indeed a tetraploid.

Most of my conjectures concerning native azalea species have been
wrong and most likely this one will be also but this conjecture
currently "explains" much of what we have observed.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

#10875

From: Jim Willhite <jwillhite@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today/Yellow Cloud

jwillhite23

Wow, that is a fine yellow.

Jim Willhite
West Chester, PA





> а
> аBruce;а attached is Yellow Cloud from a bloom on May 29th in my garden in
> Illinois.
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> Tadeusz.
>
> --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...> wrote:
>
> From: Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...>
> Subject: [AZ] Blooming Today
> To: "azaleas@..." <azaleas@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 6:44 PM
>
>
>
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>
>
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> The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is listed as a
> Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don Hyatt a member of
> this Group and who lives nearаWashington D.C .
>
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>
>
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#10876

From: Jim Willhite <jwillhite@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] Knap Hill history--Whitethroat

jwillhite23

Thanks for the image, Harold
jim willhite


> I have grown White Throat for years.  It does not have bronze foliage.
> I doubt Cecile descended from Whitethroat.
>
>
>
> Harold Greer
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:azaleas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Jim Willhite
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 6:46 PM
> To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZ] Knap Hill history--Whitethroat
>
>
>
> More about the KH article by G. Donald Waterer. I was interested to see
> that he may have provided an answer to a Q I posed a few days ago to
> this
> group; ie, what is the source of the lovely bronze foliage we see on
> Cannon's Double, which is Corneille x Cecile? Waterer describes the Knap
> Hill plant "Whitethroat" which dates from the 1920s and was used after
> WWII
> as seed parent to produce a group of fragrant, double flowered plants
> distinguished by "copper tinted foliage which was at its best in full
> light"
> and which turns bright red in autumn, as does that of Cannon's Double. I
> wonder if Cecile, the Exbury, is descended from Whitethroat? Anybody
> growing Whitethroat?
>
>> Thanks to Bruce Clyburn, who made the Knap Hill history article
> available,
>> and to Tom Scheutz, who shared a paper copy with me yesterday at our
> Valley
>> Forge Chapter annual picnic.
>>
>> I read the article on the train on the way to work this morning. This
> was a
>> great article, lots of history, and a comprehensive list of Knap Hills
> at
>> the end. I knew the history of the group went way back, but I don't
> think I
>> appreciated just how far back it goes (1820s). The long history of the
>> strain adds one more compelling reason to grow more Knap Hills.
>>
>> Is there any comprehensive collection of KH's in the US or Canada?
> And,
>> sorry to be commercial, but are there any nurseries on this side of
> the pond
>> distributing a good number of them?
>>
>>
>> Jim Willhite
>> West Chester, PA
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

#10877

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

sjperk5

Bruce

For whatever reason our late bloomers are earlier this year than ever
before. We started off the season later than the norm and remained
that way for much of the bloom season but we are ahead of the norm
now.

John Perkins
Salem, NH


--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...> wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> We're just leaving mid and moving into late quickly with a bit of
heat that we're having. In North American species: R. arborescens
buds are expanding and a few florets are in the 'baloon' stage but no
full flower trusses.
>
> Bruce
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Jim Willhite
>   To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:04 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today
>
>
>   Both very, very nice Bruce. Where are you in you bloom sequence?
Mid?
>   Late?
>
>   Jim Willhite
>   West Chester, PA
>
>   > The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is
listed as a
>   > Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don
Hyatt a member of
>   > this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .
>

#10878

From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position

denudata2001

John:

Thanks for the summary, a good read. Here' a plant of the reverse cross to your atlanticum X calendulaceum. The picture is a few years old; plant is much larger now I checked and it will flower by this weekend. I quess the red base is an atlanticum trait.

I have about 4-5 cumberlandense x luteum up here. They bloom at the same time as the Leach plant July Jester. With your T and D knowledge would the cumberlandense x luteum be a reasonable thing to put arborescens pollen on?

Bruce Clyburn

----- Original Message -----

From: sjperk5

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:48 AM

Subject: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position

Bruce

Some History

1) Sally and I have for several years been attempting to cross good
deciduous azaleas onto each other with the goal of producing late
season bloomers. We consider My Mary and Marydel to both be very good
azaleas and have tried to cross many things onto them.
We have always had problems crossing later deciduous azaleas onto
these 2 and have always thought we might be damaging the pestil when
we strip the flowers. Crosses of late things onto Snowbird have also
failed.

2) Ian Donovan gave us a seedling of atlanticum X calendulaceum which
produced clear yellow flowers. We were able to cross this onto
calendulaceum Cherokee.

3) We have crossed luteum Golden Comet X calendulaceum Cherokee and
calendulaceum Cherokee X luteum Golden Comet. My Mary, Marydel,
Snowbird also cross onto Cherokee. Cherokee seems often to not set
seed when crossed with pollen from late bloomers.

4) We have crossed My Mary X Marydel and Marydel X My Mary.

5) We have a cumberlandense that seems to accept pollen from Cherokee
as well as many late bloomers.

My New Position

My new conjecture based on next to nothing is that in crosses
involving fertile native deciduous azalea species, Ts generally cross
with Ts, Ts generally reject Ds pollen, Ds generally cross with Ds,
and Ds are often willing to accept Ts pollen.

My new theory based on next to nothing is that Ts have to have a
mechanism to prevent crossing with Ds to survive as a species. Ds
being more common and having evolved earlier have developed no
special mechanism to reject Ts pollen.

Note: This year we crossed "our white calenducaleum" onto Marydel and
got seed. This makes me believe there is a good likihood that this
white calenducaleum is indeed a tetraploid.

Most of my conjectures concerning native azalea species have been
wrong and most likely this one will be also but this conjecture
currently "explains" much of what we have observed.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

#10879

From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:14 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

denudata2001

John:

As of this morning and brachycarpum v. Tigerstedii and Red River are exactly 2 weeks earlier than 2007 bloom. R. maximum, Russell Harmon, Maximum Roseum and Summer Snow still tight buds. Gable's Maxecat showing color.

Bruce Clyburn,

New Waterford, NS

----- Original Message -----

From: sjperk5

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

Bruce

For whatever reason our late bloomers are earlier this year than ever
before. We started off the season later than the norm and remained
that way for much of the bloom season but we are ahead of the norm
now.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...> wrote:
>
> Jim:
>
> We're just leaving mid and moving into late quickly with a bit of
heat that we're having. In North American species: R. arborescens
buds are expanding and a few florets are in the 'baloon' stage but no
full flower trusses.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim Willhite
> To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today
>
>
> Both very, very nice Bruce. Where are you in you bloom sequence?
Mid?
> Late?
>
> Jim Willhite
> West Chester, PA
>
> > The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is
listed as a
> > Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don
Hyatt a member of
> > this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .
>

#10880

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 1:24 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position

sjperk5

Bruce

We have not been successful enough at growing on the seedlings to
know whether D X T produces fertile offspring. It takes us longer
than 8 years to bloom a deciduous azalea from seed.

I have a plan to do a 100 deciduous azalea crosses next year assuming
our plants set flowers for next year. I am going to attempt to use as
close to species as I have for the most of those crosses.

We know that natural nonfertile hybrids exist in nature which appear
to have calendulaceum in them. My conjecture is these normally have a
D as a parent but my goal for the next few years is merely to record
what crosses produce a normal seed pod and which do not.

I will be happy when I know how well the set of native species cross
onto Golden Comet, Cherokee, Marydel, My Mary, and Snowbird.

John Perkins
Salem, NH








--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...> wrote:
>
> John:
>
> Thanks for the summary, a good read. Here' a plant of the reverse
cross to your atlanticum X calendulaceum. The picture is a few years
old; plant is much larger now I checked and it will flower by this
weekend. I quess the red base is an atlanticum trait.
>
> I have about 4-5 cumberlandense x luteum up here. They bloom at the
same time as the Leach plant July Jester. With your T and D knowledge
would the cumberlandense x luteum be a reasonable thing to put
arborescens pollen on?
>
> Bruce Clyburn
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: sjperk5
>   To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:48 AM
>   Subject: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position
>
>
>   Bruce
>
>   Some History
>
>   1) Sally and I have for several years been attempting to cross
good
>   deciduous azaleas onto each other with the goal of producing late
>   season bloomers. We consider My Mary and Marydel to both be very
good
>   azaleas and have tried to cross many things onto them.
>   We have always had problems crossing later deciduous azaleas onto
>   these 2 and have always thought we might be damaging the pestil
when
>   we strip the flowers. Crosses of late things onto Snowbird have
also
>   failed.
>
>   2) Ian Donovan gave us a seedling of atlanticum X calendulaceum
which
>   produced clear yellow flowers. We were able to cross this onto
>   calendulaceum Cherokee.
>
>   3) We have crossed luteum Golden Comet X calendulaceum Cherokee
and
>   calendulaceum Cherokee X luteum Golden Comet. My Mary, Marydel,
>   Snowbird also cross onto Cherokee. Cherokee seems often to not
set
>   seed when crossed with pollen from late bloomers.
>
>   4) We have crossed My Mary X Marydel and Marydel X My Mary.
>
>   5) We have a cumberlandense that seems to accept pollen from
Cherokee
>   as well as many late bloomers.
>
>   My New Position
>
>   My new conjecture based on next to nothing is that in crosses
>   involving fertile native deciduous azalea species, Ts generally
cross
>   with Ts, Ts generally reject Ds pollen, Ds generally cross with
Ds,
>   and Ds are often willing to accept Ts pollen.
>
>   My new theory based on next to nothing is that Ts have to have a
>   mechanism to prevent crossing with Ds to survive as a species. Ds
>   being more common and having evolved earlier have developed no
>   special mechanism to reject Ts pollen.
>
>   Note: This year we crossed "our white calenducaleum" onto Marydel
and
>   got seed. This makes me believe there is a good likihood that
this
>   white calenducaleum is indeed a tetraploid.
>
>   Most of my conjectures concerning native azalea species have been
>   wrong and most likely this one will be also but this conjecture
>   currently "explains" much of what we have observed.
>
>   John Perkins
>   Salem, NH
>

#10881

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 2:58 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today

sjperk5

Bruce

Unless the winter has caused bud damage, I see very little evidence
that the differences in bloom time from year to year are effected by
anything but near term events such as no moisture and cold/hot
temperatures.

Bloom order varies little from year to year but bloom time can vary
greatly as much as a few weeks and the different can close quickly
given a week of hot weather if the ground has good mositure.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...> wrote:
>
> John:
>
> As of this morning and brachycarpum v. Tigerstedii and Red River
are exactly 2 weeks earlier than 2007 bloom. R. maximum, Russell
Harmon, Maximum Roseum and Summer Snow still tight buds. Gable's
Maxecat showing color.
>
> Bruce Clyburn,
> New Waterford, NS
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: sjperk5
>   To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 9:26 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today
>
>
>   Bruce
>
>   For whatever reason our late bloomers are earlier this year than
ever
>   before. We started off the season later than the norm and
remained
>   that way for much of the bloom season but we are ahead of the
norm
>   now.
>
>   John Perkins
>   Salem, NH
>
>   --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Jim:
>   >
>   > We're just leaving mid and moving into late quickly with a bit
of
>   heat that we're having. In North American species: R. arborescens
>   buds are expanding and a few florets are in the 'baloon' stage
but no
>   full flower trusses.
>   >
>   > Bruce
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: Jim Willhite
>   > To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
>   > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:04 AM
>   > Subject: Re: [AZ] Blooming Today
>   >
>   >
>   > Both very, very nice Bruce. Where are you in you bloom
sequence?
>   Mid?
>   > Late?
>   >
>   > Jim Willhite
>   > West Chester, PA
>   >
>   > > The Exbury Sun Charriot and the azalea Yellow Cloud which is
>   listed as a
>   > > Knaphill in Fred Galle's book but is really a hybrid by Don
>   Hyatt a member of
>   > > this Group and who lives near Washington D.C .
>   >
>

#10882

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 3:33 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position

sjperk5

Bruce

I want to make clear I have no knowledge of what a viable T X D or a
D X T cross will normally do as parent.

I will be happy knowing the answer to what native species cross with
what native species normally.

I find it interesting that cumberlandense x luteum produced a set of
viable offspring. This is consistent with my conjecture. I wonder if
cumberlandense is more likely to cross with Ts than other Ds are.

In principle cumberlandense X luteum should be a triploid and be
sterile but I have no information concerning how often a cross of a D
and a T produce fertile offspring. My conjecture is T X D seldom
produce offspring at all whereas D X T seem to produce offspring.

By the way I am assuming Marydel is a straight atlanticum and My Mary
is a straight austrinum. Now I am not claiming this is the case but
we do know they are Ts.

Notice that if the breeding of My Mary is as documented then My Mary
is an exception to my conjecture. I have no reason to believe the
parents of My Mary are not as documented but since I have no other
austrinum to work with I am going to work with My Mary as if it was
straight austrinum. I am very much looking forward to doing a dozen
or so crosses onto My Mary next year. My Mary definitely sets seed,
is definitely a tetraploid, and has austrinum as a parent.

I admit I was taken back when Cherokee set good seed pods when
crossed with 4 different Ts and no good seed pods when crossed with 8
different Ds. Since cumberlandense had taken pollen from both Ds and
Ts I expected calendulaceum Cherokee to do the same at least to some
degree.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce
>
> We have not been successful enough at growing on the seedlings to
> know whether D X T produces fertile offspring. It takes us longer
> than 8 years to bloom a deciduous azalea from seed.
>
> I have a plan to do a 100 deciduous azalea crosses next year
assuming
> our plants set flowers for next year. I am going to attempt to use
as
> close to species as I have for the most of those crosses.
>
> We know that natural nonfertile hybrids exist in nature which
appear
> to have calendulaceum in them. My conjecture is these normally have
a
> D as a parent but my goal for the next few years is merely to
record
> what crosses produce a normal seed pod and which do not.
>
> I will be happy when I know how well the set of native species
cross
> onto Golden Comet, Cherokee, Marydel, My Mary, and Snowbird.
>
> John Perkins
> Salem, NH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@> wrote:
> >
> > John:
> >
> > Thanks for the summary, a good read. Here' a plant of the reverse
> cross to your atlanticum X calendulaceum. The picture is a few
years
> old; plant is much larger now I checked and it will flower by this
> weekend. I quess the red base is an atlanticum trait.
> >
> > I have about 4-5 cumberlandense x luteum up here. They bloom at
the
> same time as the Leach plant July Jester. With your T and D
knowledge
> would the cumberlandense x luteum be a reasonable thing to put
> arborescens pollen on?
> >
> > Bruce Clyburn
> >
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: sjperk5
> >   To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
> >   Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:48 AM
> >   Subject: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position
> >
> >
> >   Bruce
> >
> >   Some History
> >
> >   1) Sally and I have for several years been attempting to cross
> good
> >   deciduous azaleas onto each other with the goal of producing
late
> >   season bloomers. We consider My Mary and Marydel to both be
very
> good
> >   azaleas and have tried to cross many things onto them.
> >   We have always had problems crossing later deciduous azaleas
onto
> >   these 2 and have always thought we might be damaging the pestil
> when
> >   we strip the flowers. Crosses of late things onto Snowbird have
> also
> >   failed.
> >
> >   2) Ian Donovan gave us a seedling of atlanticum X calendulaceum
> which
> >   produced clear yellow flowers. We were able to cross this onto
> >   calendulaceum Cherokee.
> >
> >   3) We have crossed luteum Golden Comet X calendulaceum Cherokee
> and
> >   calendulaceum Cherokee X luteum Golden Comet. My Mary, Marydel,
> >   Snowbird also cross onto Cherokee. Cherokee seems often to not
> set
> >   seed when crossed with pollen from late bloomers.
> >
> >   4) We have crossed My Mary X Marydel and Marydel X My Mary.
> >
> >   5) We have a cumberlandense that seems to accept pollen from
> Cherokee
> >   as well as many late bloomers.
> >
> >   My New Position
> >
> >   My new conjecture based on next to nothing is that in crosses
> >   involving fertile native deciduous azalea species, Ts generally
> cross
> >   with Ts, Ts generally reject Ds pollen, Ds generally cross with
> Ds,
> >   and Ds are often willing to accept Ts pollen.
> >
> >   My new theory based on next to nothing is that Ts have to have
a
> >   mechanism to prevent crossing with Ds to survive as a species.
Ds
> >   being more common and having evolved earlier have developed no
> >   special mechanism to reject Ts pollen.
> >
> >   Note: This year we crossed "our white calenducaleum" onto
Marydel
> and
> >   got seed. This makes me believe there is a good likihood that
> this
> >   white calenducaleum is indeed a tetraploid.
> >
> >   Most of my conjectures concerning native azalea species have
been
> >   wrong and most likely this one will be also but this conjecture
> >   currently "explains" much of what we have observed.
> >
> >   John Perkins
> >   Salem, NH
> >
>

#10883

From: "William C. Miller III" <bill@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:14 pm
Subject: [Fwd: [AZ] Study mentions Satsuki azalea Wako]

azaleabill

With all the recent interest in polyploidy, I would like to recommend the article that Mike reported. Most of the papers that I have read, have determined chromosome number from leaf tissue. As this article pointed out, when they determined the ploidy by examining root tissue, they sometimes got a different result. It occurs to me the only ploidy that really matters is the condition of the non somatic cells or germ cells.
--
William C. Miller III
Bethesda, Maryland
www.theazaleaworks.com

-------- Original Message --------

Subject:	[AZ] Study mentions Satsuki azalea Wako
Date:	Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:44:54 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Mike Creel <mikeacreel@...>
Reply-To:	azaleas@yahoogroups.com
To:	Carl Deul <8b7o6ot4s3@...>
CC:	ASA Azaleaphiles <azaleas@yahoogroups.com>

The tetraploid Satsuki azalea Wako is mentioned and used in this study.

https://qir.kyushu-u.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2324/4713/1/p073.pdf

Mike Creel, SC

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#10884

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:35 pm
Subject: Colemanii Pollen

sjperk5

Does anyone on this forum have access to R. colemanii pollen they would
be willing to send to Salem, NH?

I lack a local source of pollen for the following natives

colemanii
alabamense
eastmanii

I would love to get multiple sources of pollen for "straight" native
species.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

#10885

From: "Lightfoot, Paul" <pllightfo@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:39 pm
Subject: RE: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen

pllightfo@...

John---

I have eastmanii blooming right now. How do I send the pollen?

Paul Lightfoot

E. central Indiana

From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:azaleas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sjperk5
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:36 PM
To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen

Does anyone on this forum have access to R. colemanii pollen they would
be willing to send to Salem, NH?

I lack a local source of pollen for the following natives

colemanii
alabamense
eastmanii

I would love to get multiple sources of pollen for "straight" native
species.

John Perkins
Salem, NH

#10886

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen

sjperk5

Paul

I collect it in a drug capsule and then place the capsule in a drug
bottle than has dried milk in it. Keep the pollen in the frig until
shipment. I know Sally merely places the pollen on paper if she is
collecting in the field and she has no capsules.

I did not realize that eastmanii was so late.

Does anyone else have other suggestions on the best way to mail
pollen?

John Perkins
Salem, NH

--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Lightfoot, Paul" <pllightfo@...>
wrote:
>
> John---
>
>
>
> I have eastmanii blooming right now.  How do I send the pollen?
>
>
>
> Paul Lightfoot
>
> E. central Indiana
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:azaleas@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of sjperk5
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:36 PM
> To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen
>
>
>
> Does anyone on this forum have access to R. colemanii pollen they
would
> be willing to send to Salem, NH?
>
> I lack a local source of pollen for the following natives
>
> colemanii
> alabamense
> eastmanii
>
> I would love to get multiple sources of pollen for "straight"
native
> species.
>
> John Perkins
> Salem, NH
>

#10887

From: "Bruce Clyburn" <bclyburn@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen

denudata2001

John:

Collection: I have a few suggestions but will put forward at a later time; I wouldn't want this thread to become intimidating to Paul, which it might. What you suggest works (period). I would only say if the dried milk box has been opened for a while you might put a half cup or so, you plan to use in a low temp oven for 1-2 hours. Say 200 F. just to regenerate to max. desiccating potential. Let it cool then put in shipping container c/w gel caps.

Shipping Container: Plastic drug (med) containers are fine but empty 35 mm film canisters are good as well. The plastic is soft and flexs; it's less likely to break.

Mailing: Most folks use 'bubble packs'; this is to resist the impact from those mechanized mail sorters. All of my pollen ... and it's a good bit from RSF each year comes in these. All ARS seed comes in them as well.

I salute you for moving on with crosses of some rare, newly established North American species and/or others not presetly hardy in zones 5-6!

Bruce C.

----- Original Message -----

From: sjperk5

To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 1:55 PM

Subject: Re: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen

Paul

I collect it in a drug capsule and then place the capsule in a drug
bottle than has dried milk in it. Keep the pollen in the frig until
shipment. I know Sally merely places the pollen on paper if she is
collecting in the field and she has no capsules.

I did not realize that eastmanii was so late.

Does anyone else have other suggestions on the best way to mail
pollen?

John Perkins
Salem, NH

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#10888

From: "diane kehoe" <riverbank@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 8:53 pm
Subject: RE: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen: How to Collect and Store Pollen

dianekehoe

John,

I cut a black shoe lace into pieces that will fit into a capsule. The cheapest thin shoe lace is the one that works best. Rub one end of each piece of shoe lace until it unravels slightly to make a fuzzy brush. Pick up the piece of shoe lace with locking forceps or a pair of tweezers and use the fuzzy end to collect the desired pollen. The pollen shows up against the black shoe lace and sticks well to the ‘fuzzy bits’. When you have collected as much pollen as you want, place the piece of shoe lace in a capsule – fuzzy end first. Put the capsule in a small paper envelope and write on the envelope with a pencil to identify the pollen and the date it was collected.

When I’m out in the garden, I often put a couple of capsules with unused shoe lace bits in my pocket along with a small pair of locking forceps, small change envelopes, and a pencil. Then I’m ready to collect pollen whenever it is ‘ready’.

Because you are storing only the pollen, there doesn’t seem to be a problem with drying the pollen before storage. When I want to freeze the pollen I just put the paper envelope in a Zip-lock bag and put it in the freezer.

When I want to use the pollen, I take it out of the freezer, put the envelope in my pocket and by the time I get out to the garden the pollen has defrosted and is ready to use. I open the capsule and use the locking forceps to pick up the shoe lace by the end that is pollen-free and brush the pollen onto the pistil of a ‘prepared’ flower – one with the petals and stamens removed. If there is still pollen remaining, I put the shoe lace back into the capsule, and put the capsule back into its envelope. I write the date of the cross on the envelope, just in case I don’t remember to note the information anywhere else. All I have to do to get a list of the crosses I’ve made with a particular pollen is to look at the envelope.

I’m sorry that I don’t remember which of the veteran hybridizers in the Vancouver Rhododendron Society showed me this technique originally – but the system has worked beautifully for me for 20 years. It avoids all of the problems that arise when people try to dry and store stamens or to mail pollen to someone.

Hope this helps,

Diane Kehoe, Riverbank, Ladner Zone 8

From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:azaleas@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of sjperk5
Sent: July-02-08 09:55
To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen

Paul

I collect it in a drug capsule and then place the capsule in a drug
bottle than has dried milk in it. Keep the pollen in the frig until
shipment. I know Sally merely places the pollen on paper if she is
collecting in the field and she has no capsules.

I did not realize that eastmanii was so late.

Does anyone else have other suggestions on the best way to mail
pollen?

John Perkins
Salem, NH

--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, "Lightfoot, Paul" <pllightfo@...>
wrote:
>
> John---
>
>
>
> I have eastmanii blooming right now. How do I send the pollen?
>
>
>
> Paul Lightfoot
>
> E. central Indiana
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: azaleas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:azaleas@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of sjperk5
> Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 12:36 PM
> To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AZ] Colemanii Pollen
>
>
>
> Does anyone on this forum have access to R. colemanii pollen they
would
> be willing to send to Salem, NH?
>
> I lack a local source of pollen for the following natives
>
> colemanii
> alabamense
> eastmanii
>
> I would love to get multiple sources of pollen for "straight"
native
> species.
>
> John Perkins
> Salem, NH
>

#10889

From: Mike Creel <mikeacreel@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 10:22 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position

mikeacreel

Bruce, I would suggest that your diploid cumberlandense X tetraploid luteum is pure cumberlandense, no luteum involved, Your atlanticum X calendulaceum, both tetraploid, looks similar to some of the same crosses I have had bloom, all showing color shifts as the blooms age.

Mike Creel

--- On Wed, 7/2/08, Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...> wrote:

From: Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...>
Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position
To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 8:27 AM

John:

Thanks for the summary, a good read. Here' a plant of the reverse cross to your atlanticum X calendulaceum. The picture is a few years old; plant is much larger now I checked and it will flower by this weekend. I quess the red base is an atlanticum trait.

I have about 4-5 cumberlandense x luteum up here. They bloom at the same time as the Leach plant July Jester. With your T and D knowledge would the cumberlandense x luteum be a reasonable thing to put arborescens pollen on?

Bruce Clyburn

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#10890

From: "sjperk5" <sjperk5@...>
Date: Wed Jul 2, 2008 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position

sjperk5

Mike

In the past 4 years only cumberlandense has produced a normal seed
pod when crossed with a species of a different ploidy. It has done
this at least 3 times with 3 different tetra species. I also wonder
if cumberlandense is not selfing inside the pod. I am going to
attempt to cross this cumberlandense onto itself next year and also
strip a truss and leave it unpollinated.

I know that Camp's Red has been much more willing to reject pollen
but I do not have complete enough records to know from what.

John Perkins
Salem, NH


--- In azaleas@yahoogroups.com, Mike Creel <mikeacreel@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce, I would suggest that your diploid cumberlandense X
tetraploid luteum is pure cumberlandense, no luteum involved,а Your
atlanticum X calendulaceum, both tetraploid, looks similar to some of
the same crosses I have had bloom, all showing color shifts as the
blooms age.
> Mike Creel
>
> --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...> wrote:
>
> From: Bruce Clyburn <bclyburn@...>
> Subject: Re: [AZ] T and Ds: My Position
> To: azaleas@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 8:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John:
> а
> Thanks for the summary,аa good read. Here' a plant of the reverse
cross to your atlanticum X calendulaceum. The picture is a few years
old; plant is much larger now I checked and it will flower by this
weekend.аI quess the red base is an atlanticum trait.
> а
> I have about 4-5 cumberlandense x luteum up here. They bloom at the
same time as the Leach plant July Jester. With your T and D knowledge
would the cumberlandense x luteum be a reasonable thing to put
arborescens pollen on?
> а
> Bruce Clyburn
> а
> а
>
> а
>
>
> Visit Your Group
>
>
> New web site?
> Drive traffic now.
> Get your business
> on Yahoo! search.
>
> Moderator Central
> Yahoo! Groups
> Join and receive
> produce updates.
>
> Family Photos
> Learn how to best
> capture your
> family moments.
> .
>