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Re: Alb. vuaj

--- In balkanika@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<akonushevci@...> wrote:
>
> --- In balkanika@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> <alexandru_mg3@> wrote:
> > Abdullah, if 'everyone could judge' that the word WAS stressed
in
> > second syllable. ...I well hope that that persons can also
explain
> > why /je/ in vjehërr: even you, I hope, isn't it?
> >
> > Marius
> >
> > P.S. : On my side, I know that ONLY e/accented > je
> ************
> Why don't you take into consideration the initial accent and its
> impact in PAlb/Illyrian, known as well as stress mechanical
> regulation: Gr Durrákhion, but Ill Dúrrakhion > Alb Durrës, but
> Italian Durázzo, Sl Drac^ etc., an intermediary stage of accent in
> penultima.
> In this case we are talking about originally accent of the
> root/stem, not of its later treatment. So, in words with initial
> stressed vowel after *sw- we have Alb /d/, otherwise /v/.
>
> Konushevci
>

Abdullah, when e > je happened the accent was on the first syllable
in vjehërr...OK? I hope that you will agree at least with this
evidence

Now remains to quess yourself how old this e > je is if you have:
1. Dacian Diegis,
2. Albanian q based on an older *ke/accented etc...,
3. Romanian fierbe < Latin fervere...etc...

So you need to demonstrate that <<e/accented > je>> (that 'belong to
Dacian times') is "a later treatement" in relation with <<s-/w,non-
accented-syll. > zero >>

I don't want to say that it couldn't be true, I want to say that you
need to demonstrate this.

Because without demonstration, any supposition means nothing....

Next you need to demonstrate the reason of such a shift of accent in
pre-historic times....

Marius

P.S. As an example: Piotr proposed a metathesis swek^uro > wesk^uro
to avoid to go 'on such a difficult path' =>
To be honest with you : 'I'm more with you that with him here' but I
cannot demonstrate either the above points

The only (indirect) argument that I could find is that s/w- > zero
happened also in Frigian (so teh transformation could preceed the
split of 'Balkanic-IE-Peoples') but this is only an indirect argument
and we really need a direct one here...





Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:00 pm

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PIE *swergh- 'suffer' > Alb. vuaj 'id.' Could this be right ? Alvin...
Alvin Ekmekciu
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Jan 22, 2007
9:39 pm

... ************ Beekes' rule: *sw- > d- before stress, v- elsewhere (?) dirsë `seat' < *swidro-tia: (?), Gr. hidros, OHG sweiz; diell `sun' < *swel- (?),...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 22, 2007
9:43 pm

... neH2, ... `wound', ... The Alb vuaj/vuej < vuoj < vouj < *wo:l-yo/*wo:r-yo could much easily be explained as semantically, as phonetically than from Lat. ...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 22, 2007
10:11 pm

... sw > d = very strange. in the same way strange as m. or n. i ssupposed to give "a". But about these, later. ... yes; acient "s" > "sh" and as as second...
altamix
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Jan 23, 2007
7:56 am

... became "sh", ... That ... Gr. ... vraná- ... Phoenticaly ... I fully agree with Alex here, why not from Latin "vae"? Marius...
alexandru_mg3
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Jan 23, 2007
1:47 pm

... so far I recall, even Rosetti admits that Rum. "vai" cannot derive from Latin "vae". Beside of this, the conjugation is "vãita" and the noun is a very...
alex
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Jan 23, 2007
8:21 pm

... vãita", and ... the ... from ... mean ... The point here is that Romanian is a Latin Language...so the first source to be considered is Latin....this...
alexandru_mg3
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Jan 23, 2007
9:30 pm

... 'After stress'/'Before stress'? *vjehër was stressed on the first syllable (base on e > je) like diell too (e > ie) -> Where is the difference? Marius ...
alexandru_mg3
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Jan 23, 2007
2:17 pm

... yields ... ************ My view about Alb vjehra and vjehër: *swek'ra:s `mother-in-law'. 1. Alb vjehrra `mother-in-law' from *swek'rweH2: NWels chwegr...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 23, 2007
3:50 pm

... Gr. ... like ... Abdullah, if 'everyone could judge' that the word WAS stressed in second syllable. ...I well hope that that persons can also explain why...
alexandru_mg3
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Jan 23, 2007
4:12 pm

... ************ Why don't you take into consideration the initial accent and its impact in PAlb/Illyrian, known as well as stress mechanical regulation: Gr...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 23, 2007
6:16 pm

... in ... explain ... Abdullah, when e > je happened the accent was on the first syllable in vjehërr...OK? I hope that you will agree at least with this ...
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Jan 23, 2007
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