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Re: [balkanika] Re: Alb. vuaj



alexandru_mg3 schrieb:
> > why all this? Why corelations with vrana, varrë. volnus?
> > Phoenticaly
> > the word is very appropiate to Romanian "vai", "vaiet", văita", and
> > appropiate to Latin "vae" . Isnt it?
> >
> > Alex
> >
>
> I fully agree with Alex here, why not from Latin "vae"?
>
>
> Marius




so far I recall, even Rosetti admits that Rum. "vai" cannot derive
from Latin "vae". Beside of this, the conjugation is "văita" and the
noun is a very complicatet construction: vaietătură, apparently from
"văietat", participium of "văieta". Of course there is "vaiet" as
well as noun but this is not explanable via Latin so far I know.

Please also note, in germanic family this is known too and it has
plenty of derivates. In fact "vaieta" seems to be "to cry" as in
German "weinen" (to cry) . The word is in Avestan as well "vayoi"
and in Lithuanian "var", English "woe" and so on, and so on.. I mean
is plenty of Indoeuropean material here.

P.S.
( I wonder if there is a absconse connection with "ierta" where
"vai-ierta > vaierta > văieta" since I dont belive in Latin
"liberare" > ierta.

Alex



Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:16 pm

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PIE *swergh- 'suffer' > Alb. vuaj 'id.' Could this be right ? Alvin...
Alvin Ekmekciu
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Jan 22, 2007
9:39 pm

... ************ Beekes' rule: *sw- > d- before stress, v- elsewhere (?) dirsë `seat' < *swidro-tia: (?), Gr. hidros, OHG sweiz; diell `sun' < *swel- (?),...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 22, 2007
9:43 pm

... neH2, ... `wound', ... The Alb vuaj/vuej < vuoj < vouj < *wo:l-yo/*wo:r-yo could much easily be explained as semantically, as phonetically than from Lat. ...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 22, 2007
10:11 pm

... sw > d = very strange. in the same way strange as m. or n. i ssupposed to give "a". But about these, later. ... yes; acient "s" > "sh" and as as second...
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Jan 23, 2007
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... became "sh", ... That ... Gr. ... vraná- ... Phoenticaly ... I fully agree with Alex here, why not from Latin "vae"? Marius...
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Jan 23, 2007
1:47 pm

... so far I recall, even Rosetti admits that Rum. "vai" cannot derive from Latin "vae". Beside of this, the conjugation is "văita" and the noun is a very...
alex
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Jan 23, 2007
8:21 pm

... văita", and ... the ... from ... mean ... The point here is that Romanian is a Latin Language...so the first source to be considered is Latin....this...
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Jan 23, 2007
9:30 pm

... 'After stress'/'Before stress'? *vjehër was stressed on the first syllable (base on e > je) like diell too (e > ie) -> Where is the difference? Marius ...
alexandru_mg3
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Jan 23, 2007
2:17 pm

... yields ... ************ My view about Alb vjehra and vjehër: *swek'ra:s `mother-in-law'. 1. Alb vjehrra `mother-in-law' from *swek'rweH2: NWels chwegr...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 23, 2007
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... Gr. ... like ... Abdullah, if 'everyone could judge' that the word WAS stressed in second syllable. ...I well hope that that persons can also explain why...
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Jan 23, 2007
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... ************ Why don't you take into consideration the initial accent and its impact in PAlb/Illyrian, known as well as stress mechanical regulation: Gr...
Abdullah Konushevci
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Jan 23, 2007
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... in ... explain ... Abdullah, when e > je happened the accent was on the first syllable in vjehërr...OK? I hope that you will agree at least with this ...
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