--- In balkanika@yahoogroups.com, alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
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> alexandru_mg3 schrieb:
> > > why all this? Why corelations with vrana, varrë. volnus?
> > > Phoenticaly
> > > the word is very appropiate to Romanian "vai", "vaiet",
văita", and
> > > appropiate to Latin "vae" . Isnt it?
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> > > Alex
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> > I fully agree with Alex here, why not from Latin "vae"?
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> > Marius
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> so far I recall, even Rosetti admits that Rum. "vai" cannot derive
> from Latin "vae". Beside of this, the conjugation is "văita" and
the
> noun is a very complicatet construction: vaietătură, apparently
from
> "văietat", participium of "văieta". Of course there is "vaiet" as
> well as noun but this is not explanable via Latin so far I know.
>
> Please also note, in germanic family this is known too and it has
> plenty of derivates. In fact "vaieta" seems to be "to cry" as in
> German "weinen" (to cry) . The word is in Avestan as well "vayoi"
> and in Lithuanian "var", English "woe" and so on, and so on.. I
mean
> is plenty of Indoeuropean material here.
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> P.S.
> ( I wonder if there is a absconse connection with "ierta" where
> "vai-ierta > vaierta > văieta" since I dont belive in Latin
> "liberare" > ierta.
>
> Alex
>

The point here is that Romanian is a Latin Language...so the
first source to be considered is Latin....this logic is a solid
one....there are around 1400 Latin 'title-words' versus I would say
300-350 Substratual ones...

the pie root was 'steh2' and the verb in romanian is 'a sta'
considered from latin 'sta:re', but with good arguments too...how you
will show that this word is from the Substratum and not from latin
with no attestation of that Substratum word?

At Homer is attestated "no:i" 'we two' with i as in Romanian "noi"
with no clear explanation of Homeric -i-, but romanian 'noi' is
considered from latin no:s...but i would say that this is normal
too...as long as other 1400 words are from Latin.

I mean the method is more important than the possible at least
equally possible alternatives....

We need to stay inside the method as much as possible if we want
to have a solid argumentation...hard to accept or not this is the
only way to find out what was really the situation....

In all these years I found some amazing things regarding the
Romanian Substratum but I didnt't see any reason to put in question
the Latin character of Romanian: using a dogma/a model is not bad at
all. Only using that model you will detect its limits and its
availability

marius